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1) Dumb question: what are poms?

 

2) As for the right to criticize our government, don't worry, the

Republicans in Congress, and Scary John Ashcroft are working no that...

 

Danielle

 

 

 

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Re: obviously they were terrorist whales working for

al queda andbad mouthed enron

Wed, 14 May 2003 21:56:03 -0700

 

It's fashionable to slag Americans in some quarters here, but I really like

yanks, (I like Poms too, not just because I'm half one) as we call them, and

I regard them much more civilised and sophisticated than a lot of backward,

less democratic countries. At least in America there is criticism of the

government and intellectual debate allowed. In some countries, that would

not be tolerated.

 

Tom

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Amylia F

Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:08 PM

Re: obviously they were terrorist whales working

for al queda andbad mouthed enron

 

 

Hi Fraggle,

 

But what troubles enviros more

than these incidents is legislation being pushed by the Bush

administration that would exempt the military from environmental

laws, including the Marine Mammal Protection Act.

 

 

While these incidents are saddening, what are we supposed to do? We

gotta have military defense. Even India, which is supposed to be a more

pacifist country, has a military. I asked my Indian friend why, and he said

there's nothing wrong with having a defense. I know there's so much more to

this issue, but honestly, what are we supposed to do? So many people think

America is the devil, and you just can't have a nice little talk with some

of these oppressing leaders of other countries, and declare " world peace. "

What are the alternatives, Fraggle?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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>EBbrewpunx

>

>HarmNone , homstead_solarium ,

, vegan-network

> obviously they were terrorist whales working for

al queda and bad mouthed enron

>Tue, 13 May 2003 20:23:56 EDT

>

>At least half a dozen dead porpoises have washed up on beaches in

>Washington state and British Columbia in the last week, spurring

>speculation that they were killed when the USS Shoup, a Navy

>destroyer, used its high-intensity sonar last Monday as it traveled

>near the San Juan Islands off the Washington coast. Observers

>reported that as many as 100 porpoises leapt through the water at

>high speed in an attempt to get away from the sound; about 20 orcas

>and a minke whale were also seen fleeing. The blasts of sound could

>have damaged the sensitive hearing of the marine mammals, which would

>impair their ability to navigate and find food. The Navy has come

>under criticism for using this type of sonar, which some scientists

>believe led to the deaths of seven beaked whales and the beaching of

>17 others in the Bahamas in 2000. But what troubles enviros more

>than these incidents is legislation being pushed by the Bush

>administration that would exempt the military from environmental

>laws, including the Marine Mammal Protection Act.

>

>straight to the source: Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 13 May 2003

>

>

>straight to the source: Bremerton Sun, Christopher Dunagan, 12 May 2003

>

>

>straight to the source: Bremerton Sun, Christopher Dunagan, 08 May 2003

>

 

 

 

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Hi Tom

 

> It's fashionable to slag Americans in some quarters here, but I really like yanks, (I like Poms too, not just because I'm half one)

> as we call them, and I regard them much more civilised and sophisticated than a lot of backward, less democratic countries.

 

I like Americans, I just have a significant dislike of their current dictatorship. Same goes for Iraqis.

 

> At least in America there is criticism of the government and intellectual debate allowed.

 

Really? What do you think the anti-terrorism laws are all about? And how about the laws which require all Muslims to register? America is heading rapidly toward a police state ruled over by an unelected dictator. I have a great deal of sympathy for the American people in this situation (not least because in the UK we're not far behind them) - I just hope enough people in the US & UK realise what's going on before it's too late.

 

BB

Peter

 

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Hi Danielle

 

> 1) Dumb question: what are poms?

 

It's an Australian term for the English - I have no idea where it comes

from!

 

BB

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I think the slagging here is of America not Americans. The trouble is that the American government (and multi-nationals, bankers etc) are taking over the world. The policies cause a lot of trouble for poor countries. Their wars are contrived for their own ends. I like all the Americans on this list, and on other lists, and some of my favourite bands are American - but I don't like the American government or the British government.

 

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Vegecentric

Thursday, May 15, 2003 5:56 AM

Re: obviously they were terrorist whales working for al queda andbad mouthed enron

 

It's fashionable to slag Americans in some quarters here, but I really like yanks, (I like Poms too, not just because I'm half one) as we call them, and I regard them much more civilised and sophisticated than a lot of backward, less democratic countries. At least in America there is criticism of the government and intellectual debate allowed. In some countries, that would not be tolerated.

 

Tom

 

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Amylia F

Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:08 PM

Re: obviously they were terrorist whales working for al queda andbad mouthed enron

 

 

 

Hi Fraggle,

But what troubles enviros more than these incidents is legislation being pushed by the Bush administration that would exempt the military from environmental laws, including the Marine Mammal Protection Act.

While these incidents are saddening, what are we supposed to do? We gotta have military defense. Even India, which is supposed to be a more pacifist country, has a military. I asked my Indian friend why, and he said there's nothing wrong with having a defense. I know there's so much more to this issue, but honestly, what are we supposed to do? So many people think America is the devil, and you just can't have a nice little talk with some of these oppressing leaders of other countries, and declare "world peace." What are the alternatives, Fraggle?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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>EBbrewpunx > >HarmNone , homstead_solarium , , vegan-network > obviously they were terrorist whales working for al queda and bad mouthed enron >Tue, 13 May 2003 20:23:56 EDT > >At least half a dozen dead porpoises have washed up on beaches in >Washington state and British Columbia in the last week, spurring >speculation that they were killed when the USS Shoup, a Navy >destroyer, used its high-intensity sonar last Monday as it traveled >near the San Juan Islands off the Washington coast. Observers >reported that as many as 100 porpoises leapt through the water at >high speed in an attempt to get away from the sound; about 20 orcas >and a minke whale were also seen fleeing. The blasts of sound could >have damaged the sensitive hearing of the marine mammals, which would >impair their ability to navigate and find food. The Navy has come >under criticism for using this type of sonar, which some scientists >believe led to the deaths of seven beaked whales and the beaching of >17 others in the Bahamas in 2000. But what troubles enviros more >than these incidents is legislation being pushed by the Bush >administration that would exempt the military from environmental >laws, including the Marine Mammal Protection Act. > >straight to the source: Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 13 May 2003 > > >straight to the source: Bremerton Sun, Christopher Dunagan, 12 May 2003 > > >straight to the source: Bremerton Sun, Christopher Dunagan, 08 May 2003 >

 

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It's fashionable to slag Americans in some quarters here, but I really like yanks, (I like Poms too, not just because I'm half one) as we call them, and I regard them much more civilised and sophisticated than a lot of backward, less democratic countries. At least in America there is criticism of the government and intellectual debate allowed. In some countries, that would not be tolerated.

 

Tom

 

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Amylia F

Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:08 PM

Re: obviously they were terrorist whales working for al queda andbad mouthed enron

 

 

 

Hi Fraggle,

But what troubles enviros more than these incidents is legislation being pushed by the Bush administration that would exempt the military from environmental laws, including the Marine Mammal Protection Act.

While these incidents are saddening, what are we supposed to do? We gotta have military defense. Even India, which is supposed to be a more pacifist country, has a military. I asked my Indian friend why, and he said there's nothing wrong with having a defense. I know there's so much more to this issue, but honestly, what are we supposed to do? So many people think America is the devil, and you just can't have a nice little talk with some of these oppressing leaders of other countries, and declare "world peace." What are the alternatives, Fraggle?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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>EBbrewpunx > >HarmNone , homstead_solarium , , vegan-network > obviously they were terrorist whales working for al queda and bad mouthed enron >Tue, 13 May 2003 20:23:56 EDT > >At least half a dozen dead porpoises have washed up on beaches in >Washington state and British Columbia in the last week, spurring >speculation that they were killed when the USS Shoup, a Navy >destroyer, used its high-intensity sonar last Monday as it traveled >near the San Juan Islands off the Washington coast. Observers >reported that as many as 100 porpoises leapt through the water at >high speed in an attempt to get away from the sound; about 20 orcas >and a minke whale were also seen fleeing. The blasts of sound could >have damaged the sensitive hearing of the marine mammals, which would >impair their ability to navigate and find food. The Navy has come >under criticism for using this type of sonar, which some scientists >believe led to the deaths of seven beaked whales and the beaching of >17 others in the Bahamas in 2000. But what troubles enviros more >than these incidents is legislation being pushed by the Bush >administration that would exempt the military from environmental >laws, including the Marine Mammal Protection Act. > >straight to the source: Seattle Post-Intelligencer, 13 May 2003 > > >straight to the source: Bremerton Sun, Christopher Dunagan, 12 May 2003 > > >straight to the source: Bremerton Sun, Christopher Dunagan, 08 May 2003 >

 

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Hi Tom!

 

I agree, only thing is tho it is allowed, it unfortunately isn't

listened to unless you have a donation of $1m.

 

nikki

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Bertrand Russell

 

 

, " Vegecentric " <vegecentric@o...>

wrote:

> It's fashionable to slag Americans in some quarters here, but I

really like yanks, (I like Poms too, not just because I'm half one)

as we call them, and I regard them much more civilised and

sophisticated than a lot of backward, less democratic countries. At

least in America there is criticism of the government and

intellectual debate allowed. In some countries, that would not be

tolerated.

>

> Tom

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I'd love to hear it....

Tom

 

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Wednesday, May 14, 2003 1:57 PM

Re: obviously they were terrorist whales working for al queda andbad mouthed enron

 

 

 

i am tempted to tell my fave australian joke...about australians..........but i will not

catherine heehee

 

>"Peter"

> >

>Re: obviously they were terrorist whales working for al queda and bad mouthed enron >Wed, 14 May 2003 17:41:31 +0100 > >Hi Amylia > > > While these incidents are saddening, what are we supposed to do? We gotta have military defense. Even India, which is > > supposed to be a more pacifist country, has a military. > >Well, last I checked India were in the middle of a decades old war with Pakistan over Kashmir - so I wouldn't really say they were a pacifist country! > >But, last I checked, no country had suffered a serious military invasion led by Marine Mammals!!! > > > I know there's so much more to this issue, but honestly, what are we supposed to do? So many people think America is the > > devil, and you just can't have a nice little talk with some of these oppressing leaders of other countries, and declare "world > > peace." What are the alternatives > >The first one would be not to put the dictators in power in the first place. It's a strange misconception amongst many Americans that Saddam Hussein was some sort of threat to the world - the last time he attacked anyone was in 1991, and that was only after getting approval from the US Ambassador. When he gassed the Kurds in the early 1980s the US & UK continued to supply him the weapons to do so for at least 5 years. When he invaded Iran it was at the behest of the US - other than that he's been fairly quiet as dictators go. > >The immediate solution would be to remove the two unelected dictators who have caused more war, terrorism and massacres than anyone else in the past few years: Bush & Blair. > >If things go on as they are, within 10 years there will be a US led empire goverened over by a military dictatorship headed by Bush or one of his current associates - if you've got any doubts about that, just go and look at the stuff published by PNAC in September 2000. > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03

 

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You know, I'm sure there are lots of nice, decent Muslim people around, but after 9/11 and the bombing/murder of a lot of Aussies and Indonesians in Bali, I don't blame any country for keeping a close eye on them. And as for calling George Dubya a dictator, that's just a tad extreme.

 

Tom

 

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Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:12 AM

Re: obviously they were terrorist whales working for al queda andbad mouthed enron

 

Hi Tom

 

> It's fashionable to slag Americans in some quarters here, but I really like yanks, (I like Poms too, not just because I'm half one)

> as we call them, and I regard them much more civilised and sophisticated than a lot of backward, less democratic countries.

 

I like Americans, I just have a significant dislike of their current dictatorship. Same goes for Iraqis.

 

> At least in America there is criticism of the government and intellectual debate allowed.

 

Really? What do you think the anti-terrorism laws are all about? And how about the laws which require all Muslims to register? America is heading rapidly toward a police state ruled over by an unelected dictator. I have a great deal of sympathy for the American people in this situation (not least because in the UK we're not far behind them) - I just hope enough people in the US & UK realise what's going on before it's too late.

 

BB

Peter

 

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Hi Tom

 

> You know, I'm sure there are lots of nice, decent Muslim people around, but after 9/11 and the bombing/murder of a lot of

> Aussies and Indonesians in Bali, I don't blame any country for keeping a close eye on them.

 

Then they're looking in the wrong direction. At least 9/11 was something carried out by the US government to justify their interference in the politics of Muslim countries. Of the people accused of hijacking the planes (and thereby making it appear to be an Islamic plot), at least 7 of the 19 are still alive - and one of them has never even been to America. There has been absolutely no evidence that any of those accused were actually involved (except evidence planted by the CIA), and of those who took flying lessons (and thereby supposedly flew the planes), their instructor said they were the most incompetent pilots they had ever taught, and that they struggled to handle the controls of light aircraft, let alone a huge passenger liner.

 

> And as for calling George Dubya a dictator, that's just a tad extreme.

 

I suppose it depends on your definition of dictator. If you mean someone who wasn't democratically elected, but seized power through his control of the judiciary, then it's an accurate description. If you mean someone who is willingly involved in murdering thousands of citizens in order to keep others under control - again, not at all extreme. I suppose there is a small amount of control over his power by congress - but isn't it strange that those within congress who oppose him seem to die in mysterious circumstances?

 

No, I don't think calling King George a dictator is at all extreme.

 

BB

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So if we had an Australian in the UK who murdered several people would that be enough reason to treat you like a terrorist? and as for calling GWB a dictator being extreme - it is only extreme if you don't realise what is going on in the world.

 

Jo

 

 

You know, I'm sure there are lots of nice, decent Muslim people around, but after 9/11 and the bombing/murder of a lot of Aussies and Indonesians in Bali, I don't blame any country for keeping a close eye on them. And as for calling George Dubya a dictator, that's just a tad extreme.

 

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Well, considering Dubya has said " Things would be easier in a dictatorship,

as long as I was dictator, " I disagree that calling him that is extreme.

 

Danielle

 

 

 

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Re: obviously they were terrorist whales working for

al queda andbad mouthed enron

Fri, 16 May 2003 22:27:14 -0700

 

You know, I'm sure there are lots of nice, decent Muslim people around, but

after 9/11 and the bombing/murder of a lot of Aussies and Indonesians in

Bali, I don't blame any country for keeping a close eye on them. And as for

calling George Dubya a dictator, that's just a tad extreme.

 

Tom

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Wednesday, May 14, 2003 10:12 AM

Re: obviously they were terrorist whales working

for al queda andbad mouthed enron

 

 

Hi Tom

 

> It's fashionable to slag Americans in some quarters here, but I really

like yanks, (I like Poms too, not just because I'm half one)

> as we call them, and I regard them much more civilised and

sophisticated than a lot of backward, less democratic countries.

 

I like Americans, I just have a significant dislike of their current

dictatorship. Same goes for Iraqis.

 

> At least in America there is criticism of the government and

intellectual debate allowed.

 

Really? What do you think the anti-terrorism laws are all about? And how

about the laws which require all Muslims to register? America is heading

rapidly toward a police state ruled over by an unelected dictator. I have a

great deal of sympathy for the American people in this situation (not least

because in the UK we're not far behind them) - I just hope enough people in

the US & UK realise what's going on before it's too late.

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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It's thought to come either from:

 

1 Pomegranates - they turn red in the sun

or

2 Prisoners of Mother England / Prisoners of her Majesty

 

Dave

 

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Re: obviously they were terrorist whales working for

al queda andbad mouthed enron

 

Hi Danielle

 

> 1) Dumb question: what are poms?

 

It's an Australian term for the English - I have no idea where it comes

from!

 

BB

Peter

 

 

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Hi Dave

 

> 1 Pomegranates - they turn red in the sun

> or

> 2 Prisoners of Mother England / Prisoners of her Majesty

 

No. 1 sounds more likely to me. IIRC, it was the Aussies who were originally

the 2nd option :-)

 

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Exactly. It was meant to be ironic. Whereas the original settlers had been

sent there as prisoners, the nickname was pointing out that they were free

from English influence, whilst those law abiding citizens who stayed there

were the real prisoners.

 

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Re: obviously they were terrorist whales working for

al queda andbad mouthed enron

 

Hi Dave

 

> 1 Pomegranates - they turn red in the sun

> or

> 2 Prisoners of Mother England / Prisoners of her Majesty

 

No. 1 sounds more likely to me. IIRC, it was the Aussies who were originally

the 2nd option :-)

 

BB

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Hi Dave

 

> Exactly. It was meant to be ironic. Whereas the original settlers had been

> sent there as prisoners, the nickname was pointing out that they were free

> from English influence, whilst those law abiding citizens who stayed there

> were the real prisoners.

 

Ah - I see :-)

 

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