Guest guest Posted May 18, 2003 Report Share Posted May 18, 2003 hi all, i do not think that anyone is off their head for beleiving in fairies.....in wales, i am welsh, fairies are seen as a helpful spirit full of energy, playfullness........and maybe living at the end of your garden.......... they are very alive in all sorts of cultures, not just celtic..... catherine >"Vegecentric" > > >Re: Religion >Fri, 16 May 2003 19:32:24 -0700 > >Hi Peter, >It is ironic that you are insulted by beliefs in spirits or whatever being >compared to beliefs in fairies,...which I'm sure someone somewhere genuinely >holds. What if I said I actually believed in the Tooth Fairy? It seems you'd >either think I was just being a "stirrer" or off my tree. You seem to think >it "illogical", but to me, no more illogical than belief in pyschics and >shamans and angels and who knows what else. I don't mean to insult you, or >anyone, but if something seems to me as illogical as Tooth Fairies are to >you, I will have my say, just like anyone on this list. By all means, don't >agree with me or question my beliefs: after all, if I can't explain my >veganism to you or anyone else, that doesn't say much for me and my thought >processes. > >Tom >- >"Peter" > >Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:50 AM >Re: Religion > > > > Hi Tom > > > > > Look, people should believe whatever they want to, if it makes them feel > > > good (as long as they don't hurt others in the process). Personally, I > > just > > > can't believe in all that spirit-world supernatural stuff. There is no > > real > > > proof, but, of course, I can't disprove it, just as I can't disprove the > > > existence of Santa Claus or the tooth fairy. > > > > While I don't wish to change your mind or your beliefs, I think it is very > > insulting to compare serious beliefs with belief in the tooth fairy. There > > are clearly no faeries who would want to get involved in collecting >teeth - > > it would be a complete waste of their time. > > > > > If I did a William Blake and > > > said I saw visions of heaven and hell and demons and angels, you would > > > probably think a) I've been smoking something way too strong or b) I > > should > > > visit the nearest shrink. > > > > I would think that you'd simply begun to observe things outside of the > > constraints of the conditioning of modern education, which is based on its > > own religion of science. I find it strange that you complain that certain > > religions have used conditioning techniques on their followers, but don't > > realise that we are all victims of conditioning in one way or another. > > > > Presumably you're aware of recent scientific research which has shown that > > our brains filter out over 50% of what our eyes pick up before it reaches > > our visual cortex - and that this same research has shown that this > > filtering is a conditioned response rather than instinctual. I wonder - >what > > do you think you would see if your conditioning were removed and your >visual > > cortex received the entire message of what your eyes have seen? > > > > BB > > Peter > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2003 Report Share Posted May 19, 2003 In a message dated 5/19/03 10:31:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, vc27 writes: But hobbits are very short - could they reach? Viv maybe he's short as well er maybe they could stand on each other's shoulders...er climb a stone troll er... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2003 Report Share Posted May 19, 2003 But hobbits are very short - could they reach? Viv Vegecentric [vegecentric]Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:57 AM Subject: Re: fairies Hey, I'm a huge Tolkien fan, so if some elves or hobbits popped up and tapped me on the shoulder, no-one could be happier! Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2003 Report Share Posted May 19, 2003 Hi Tom > Hey, I'm a huge Tolkien fan, so if some elves or hobbits popped up and tapped me on the shoulder, no-one could be happier! For a change.. something we can agree on :-) So, whadayathink of the films then? BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2003 Report Share Posted May 19, 2003 I love them - but then I've not read the books! Jo So, whadayathink of the films then? ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2003 Report Share Posted May 19, 2003 He said he was huge... maybe he just meant round ;-) Viv EBbrewpunx [EBbrewpunx] Monday, May 19, 2003 6:47 PM Re: fairies In a message dated 5/19/03 10:31:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, vc27 writes: But hobbits are very short - could they reach? Viv maybe he's short as well er maybe they could stand on each other's shoulders...er climb a stone troll er... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release 06/05/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2003 Report Share Posted May 19, 2003 >He said he was huge... maybe he just meant round ;-)Viv Well hobbits are quite round so maybe they could bounce off each others tummies to reach thingy's shoulder? I have a fairy living in my house. Now & then I find the kitchen spotless, the washing all done, floors vacuumed etc. I mean, it couldn't possible be my hubby that did it all, could it? Jani EBbrewpunx [EBbrewpunx]Monday, May 19, 2003 6:47 PM Subject: Re: fairiesIn a message dated 5/19/03 10:31:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,vc27 writes:But hobbits are very short - could they reach?Vivmaybe he's short as weller maybe they could stand on each other's shoulders...er climb a stone troller...---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release 06/05/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2003 Report Share Posted May 20, 2003 Hey, I'm a huge Tolkien fan, so if some elves or hobbits popped up and tapped me on the shoulder, no-one could be happier! Tom - Catherine Harris Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:07 AM Re: fairies hi all, i do not think that anyone is off their head for beleiving in fairies.....in wales, i am welsh, fairies are seen as a helpful spirit full of energy, playfullness........and maybe living at the end of your garden.......... they are very alive in all sorts of cultures, not just celtic..... catherine >"Vegecentric" > > >Re: Religion >Fri, 16 May 2003 19:32:24 -0700 > >Hi Peter, >It is ironic that you are insulted by beliefs in spirits or whatever being >compared to beliefs in fairies,...which I'm sure someone somewhere genuinely >holds. What if I said I actually believed in the Tooth Fairy? It seems you'd >either think I was just being a "stirrer" or off my tree. You seem to think >it "illogical", but to me, no more illogical than belief in pyschics and >shamans and angels and who knows what else. I don't mean to insult you, or >anyone, but if something seems to me as illogical as Tooth Fairies are to >you, I will have my say, just like anyone on this list. By all means, don't >agree with me or question my beliefs: after all, if I can't explain my >veganism to you or anyone else, that doesn't say much for me and my thought >processes. > >Tom >- >"Peter" > >Wednesday, May 14, 2003 9:50 AM >Re: Religion > > > > Hi Tom > > > > > Look, people should believe whatever they want to, if it makes them feel > > > good (as long as they don't hurt others in the process). Personally, I > > just > > > can't believe in all that spirit-world supernatural stuff. There is no > > real > > > proof, but, of course, I can't disprove it, just as I can't disprove the > > > existence of Santa Claus or the tooth fairy. > > > > While I don't wish to change your mind or your beliefs, I think it is very > > insulting to compare serious beliefs with belief in the tooth fairy. There > > are clearly no faeries who would want to get involved in collecting >teeth - > > it would be a complete waste of their time. > > > > > If I did a William Blake and > > > said I saw visions of heaven and hell and demons and angels, you would > > > probably think a) I've been smoking something way too strong or b) I > > should > > > visit the nearest shrink. > > > > I would think that you'd simply begun to observe things outside of the > > constraints of the conditioning of modern education, which is based on its > > own religion of science. I find it strange that you complain that certain > > religions have used conditioning techniques on their followers, but don't > > realise that we are all victims of conditioning in one way or another. > > > > Presumably you're aware of recent scientific research which has shown that > > our brains filter out over 50% of what our eyes pick up before it reaches > > our visual cortex - and that this same research has shown that this > > filtering is a conditioned response rather than instinctual. I wonder - >what > > do you think you would see if your conditioning were removed and your >visual > > cortex received the entire message of what your eyes have seen? > > > > BB > > Peter > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2003 Report Share Posted May 20, 2003 It's supposed to be Brownies who clean up at night. I don't think I have any residing with me though. Jo >He said he was huge... maybe he just meant round ;-)Viv Well hobbits are quite round so maybe they could bounce off each others tummies to reach thingy's shoulder? I have a fairy living in my house. Now & then I find the kitchen spotless, the washing all done, floors vacuumed etc. I mean, it couldn't possible be my hubby that did it all, could it? Jani EBbrewpunx [EBbrewpunx]Monday, May 19, 2003 6:47 PM Subject: Re: fairiesIn a message dated 5/19/03 10:31:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,vc27 writes:But hobbits are very short - could they reach?Vivmaybe he's short as weller maybe they could stand on each other's shoulders...er climb a stone troller...---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release 06/05/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 In a message dated 5/19/03 1:13:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Heartwork writes: I love them - but then I've not read the books! movies were good books 1000 times better ...imho.... ya can't beat yer imagination when you allow a book to conjure up something.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 Fraggle That's just what Colin and Peter tell me - I'll have to read the books. Jo movies were goodbooks 1000 times better ...imho....ya can't beat yer imagination when you allow a book to conjure up something.. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release 19/05/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2003 Report Share Posted May 23, 2003 The New Zealand landscape looks beautiful. Jo - Vegecentric Saturday, May 24, 2003 9:12 AM Re: fairies Of course, to a true afficionado, (I've read LOTR 10 times) nothing could beat the books, but I love the films. Not strictly true to the books, but cinematically hard to beat, and the New Zealand landscape is suitably grand and mythic. Tom - Peter Monday, May 19, 2003 10:42 AM Re: fairies Hi Tom > Hey, I'm a huge Tolkien fan, so if some elves or hobbits popped up and tapped me on the shoulder, no-one could be happier! For a change.. something we can agree on :-) So, whadayathink of the films then? BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2003 Report Share Posted May 24, 2003 Of course, to a true afficionado, (I've read LOTR 10 times) nothing could beat the books, but I love the films. Not strictly true to the books, but cinematically hard to beat, and the New Zealand landscape is suitably grand and mythic. Tom - Peter Monday, May 19, 2003 10:42 AM Re: fairies Hi Tom > Hey, I'm a huge Tolkien fan, so if some elves or hobbits popped up and tapped me on the shoulder, no-one could be happier! For a change.. something we can agree on :-) So, whadayathink of the films then? BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2003 Report Share Posted May 24, 2003 No, I'm 6"3", so one would have to stand on someone's shoulders... Tom - Viv Monday, May 19, 2003 10:31 AM RE: fairies But hobbits are very short - could they reach? Viv Vegecentric [vegecentric]Tuesday, May 20, 2003 6:57 AM Subject: Re: fairies Hey, I'm a huge Tolkien fan, so if some elves or hobbits popped up and tapped me on the shoulder, no-one could be happier! Tom To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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