Guest guest Posted May 20, 2003 Report Share Posted May 20, 2003 John > Nope, sadly not. Or at least, nothing that could not equally be explained > through statistical coincidence or familiarity with a person. For example, I > often know what my wife is thinking, or about to say, or what mood she will > be in before she walks through the door, etc. But that can all be explained > equally well without recourse to telepathy. I think when someone is in the same house or garden as yourself it is easy to pick up on their vibrations to know what mood they are. How do you know what mood she will be in when she walks through the door, if you have not previously been speaking with her on the phone, or corresponding by email? Is there a set pattern to the days of the week that would enable you to know what mood she might be in? If not, how would you explain your knowing? It could be that you 'know' because your wife is thinking of you on the way home and you are receiving this telepathically. Jo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release 13/05/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 Hi Jo, > I think when someone is in the same house or garden as yourself it is easy > to pick up on their vibrations to know what mood they are. How do you know > what mood she will be in when she walks through the door, if you have not > previously been speaking with her on the phone, or corresponding by email? > Is there a set pattern to the days of the week that would enable you to know > what mood she might be in? If not, how would you explain your knowing? It > could be that you 'know' because your wife is thinking of you on the way > home and you are receiving this telepathically. For me, I'd say it is a combination of different 'tells'. Past patterns, information received from a phone-call earlier, the way a body is held as conveyed through the weight of footsteps, the reaction of a pet in the house...Dozens of factors and tells, most received unconcsiously, all combine to give an idea of someone's mood, or presence, which is not immediately explainable, but doesn't require the transmission of thoughts directly from one mind to another. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 I agree these are all good points. The one I would pick up on is the reaction of a pet - what is that based on? My budgie (although he is absolutely besotted with Peter) always starts shouting when Peter leaves wherever he is to come home. He (as we) has no way of knowing what time Peter will be starting his homeward journey. The experience I can best explain was as follows. One day Colin and I came home from work and started making a cup of tea and getting dinner ready. At that time Peter was in a job where he had no regular 'home time', and I was not thinking of him at that time. Colin and I were deep in conversation while we went about preparing dinner, and all of a sudden I had this ovrwhelming feeling that there was a message I must listen to on the BTAnswer service and just walked off leaving Colin in mid-sentence. (The answer service does not have any alarm, noise or flashing light etc to make a noise to attract attention). Anyone who knows me will confirm, that I never 'walk off mid-sentence'. On the Answer service there was a message from Peter saying he had crashed his car, while avoiding a dog that ran into the road, and could Colin go to pick him up. When we reached Peter he had apparently been telepathising to me that I should pick up his message as he needed help. He knew I would not normally listen to the messages until about 9 p.m. and this was about 6 p.m. Jo > For me, I'd say it is a combination of different 'tells'. Past patterns, > information received from a phone-call earlier, the way a body is held as > conveyed through the weight of footsteps, the reaction of a pet in the > house...Dozens of factors and tells, most received unconcsiously, all > combine to give an idea of someone's mood, or presence, which is not > immediately explainable, but doesn't require the transmission of thoughts > directly from one mind to another. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release 19/05/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 Hi John > For me, I'd say it is a combination of different 'tells'. Past patterns, > information received from a phone-call earlier, the way a body is held as > conveyed through the weight of footsteps, the reaction of a pet in the > house...Dozens of factors and tells, most received unconcsiously, all > combine to give an idea of someone's mood, or presence, which is not > immediately explainable, but doesn't require the transmission of thoughts > directly from one mind to another. How do you explain the fact that most dogs get excited a few minutes before their human companions arrive home (even when there is no set pattern to their toings and froings)? BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release 19/05/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 Hi Jo, First of about six replies to you, so everyone else, apologies for monopolising this list... I don't think I want to even try and explain away your experience. Perhaps it was telephathy, perhaps it was due to something else...but whichever is the case, I wasn't there and you were, so you are clearly in a better position to judge. With regard to pets' reactions, it is worth bearing in mind that their senses are very different to ours...depending on the scent, dogs' noses are more sensitive by up to a factor of several hundred I believe, etc. etc. So they can sense things we cannot. But beyond that, the minds of animals work in very different ways too. They will come up with connections between events we either miss, or consider coincidental, and so sometimes appear 'inspired'. (I once read that dogs are very 'superstitious', in finding connections between events, which is a description I enjoyed.) So animals can sense and detect things we cannot. Perhaps that is evidence of some kind of psychic activity, but equally it might just be utilising their 'common' five senses in ways which are superior to ours. John - " Heartwork " <Heartwork Wednesday, May 21, 2003 2:14 PM Re: Psychic Ability > I agree these are all good points. The one I would pick up on is the > reaction of a pet - what is that based on? My budgie (although he is > absolutely besotted with Peter) always starts shouting when Peter leaves > wherever he is to come home. He (as we) has no way of knowing what time > Peter will be starting his homeward journey. > > The experience I can best explain was as follows. One day Colin and I came > home from work and started making a cup of tea and getting dinner ready. At > that time Peter was in a job where he had no regular 'home time', and I was > not thinking of him at that time. Colin and I were deep in conversation > while we went about preparing dinner, and all of a sudden I had this > ovrwhelming feeling that there was a message I must listen to on the > BTAnswer service and just walked off leaving Colin in mid-sentence. (The > answer service does not have any alarm, noise or flashing light etc to make > a noise to attract attention). Anyone who knows me will confirm, that I > never 'walk off mid-sentence'. On the Answer service there was a message > from Peter saying he had crashed his car, while avoiding a dog that ran into > the road, and could Colin go to pick him up. When we reached Peter he had > apparently been telepathising to me that I should pick up his message as he > needed help. He knew I would not normally listen to the messages until > about 9 p.m. and this was about 6 p.m. > > Jo > > > For me, I'd say it is a combination of different 'tells'. Past patterns, > > information received from a phone-call earlier, the way a body is held as > > conveyed through the weight of footsteps, the reaction of a pet in the > > house...Dozens of factors and tells, most received unconcsiously, all > > combine to give an idea of someone's mood, or presence, which is not > > immediately explainable, but doesn't require the transmission of thoughts > > directly from one mind to another. > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release 19/05/03 > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 Hi John > With regard to pets' reactions, it is worth bearing in mind that their > senses are very different to ours...depending on the scent, dogs' noses are > more sensitive by up to a factor of several hundred I believe, etc. etc. Not sure that really accounts for the number of miles people travel. > So > they can sense things we cannot. But beyond that, the minds of animals work > in very different ways too. They will come up with connections between > events we either miss, or consider coincidental, and so sometimes appear > 'inspired'. (I once read that dogs are very 'superstitious', in finding > connections between events, which is a description I enjoyed.) So animals > can sense and detect things we cannot. In order for their to be " coincidence " , there needs to be a set pattern. I guess we could go into the depths of chaos theory and say that when Mr Bloggs stands up at his desk in his London office it sets of a chain of events which result in something specific happening at his home is Essex which alerts his dog to the fact, but I think that is less likely than a simple form of telepathic connection. As a " co-incidental " comment, this reminds me of a game I used to pay with our old budgie (sadly deceased now) - he used to be *very* quick at replying to whistles - so quick, in fact, that he often finished the reply before you'd finish the " call " . This was even the case when I was out of the room (i.e. no perceivable signs that I was about to whistle. The game we used to play was that I would be in another room and think about whistling - and sure enough, every time I'd get a response even though I'd not actually whistled! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release 19/05/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2003 Report Share Posted May 21, 2003 > First of about six replies to you, so everyone else, apologies for > monopolising this list... It's good to chat :-) > With regard to pets' reactions, it is worth bearing in mind that their > senses are very different to ours...depending on the scent, dogs' noses are > more sensitive by up to a factor of several hundred I believe, etc. etc. So > they can sense things we cannot. I agree, but our budgie seems to know when Peter is just thinking of coming home in his car from miles away - a talent I wish I possessed! >But beyond that, the minds of animals work > in very different ways too. They will come up with connections between > events we either miss, or consider coincidental, and so sometimes appear > 'inspired'. (I once read that dogs are very 'superstitious', in finding > connections between events, which is a description I enjoyed.) So animals > can sense and detect things we cannot. Perhaps that is evidence of some kind > of psychic activity, but equally it might just be utilising their 'common' > five senses in ways which are superior to ours. I think we probably make the same connections but mentally overrule them. Many years ago, and a previous budgie, managed to make a good connection, which was only noticed by us because he could speak well. I used to say (don't ask me why!!!) whoops-a-daisy when I dropped things or some minor accident happened. One day the ironing board slid over right next to the budgies cage, and he fluttered and immeditely said 'whoops-a-daisy'. Obviously he had noticed what I said on other 'frightening' occasions. It was just as well I didn't swear I suppose :-) Jo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release 19/05/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2003 Report Share Posted May 22, 2003 Hi Peter, > How do you explain the fact that most dogs get excited a few minutes before > their human companions arrive home (even when there is no set pattern to > their toings and froings)? Ah, a return to animals...something at least vaguely related to veganism! I'm not sure I'd like to say for certain. But I have just finished a book on animal behaviour which suggests two reasons...Firstly, and in my opinion less convincingly, it suggested that they either hear or smell the person coming from a few minutes ago. But whilst I do know my pair recognise the sound of my car coming down the road which passes above our house, so can hear it arriving up to three or four minutes before my wife arrives, that is very dependent on the layout of the road system around our house, so might not explain every instanct. Secondly, he suggested that they get excited about scores of trigger events throughout the day, and we just notice the time they get excited before a human arrives. In one experiment, he set up a camera in a house where a dog apparently knew when its owner left work, anywhere between half an hour and an hour before reaching home. And indeed it did get excited at that time. And ten minutes before, and an hour before, and ten minutes afterwards, etc... Those are two possible reasons. A third, of course, is that they are psychic. I'm not choosing between them here, just saying that psychic ability is not the only explanation. John - " Peter " <Snowbow Wednesday, May 21, 2003 4:18 PM Re: Psychic Ability > Hi John > > > For me, I'd say it is a combination of different 'tells'. Past patterns, > > information received from a phone-call earlier, the way a body is held as > > conveyed through the weight of footsteps, the reaction of a pet in the > > house...Dozens of factors and tells, most received unconcsiously, all > > combine to give an idea of someone's mood, or presence, which is not > > immediately explainable, but doesn't require the transmission of thoughts > > directly from one mind to another. > > How do you explain the fact that most dogs get excited a few minutes before > their human companions arrive home (even when there is no set pattern to > their toings and froings)? > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release 19/05/03 > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2003 Report Share Posted May 22, 2003 Hi John > Those are two possible reasons. A third, of course, is that they are > psychic. I'm not choosing between them here, just saying that psychic > ability is not the only explanation. Very true. As a matter of interest, have you heard about the experiment with the psychic parrot? Very interesting stuff, and with a shocking 98% accuracy result! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release 19/05/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2003 Report Share Posted May 23, 2003 Hi Peter, > Very true. As a matter of interest, have you heard about the experiment with > the psychic parrot? Sounds like the opening line of a joke...But no, I don't think so. Can you tell me about it? John - " Peter " <Snowbow Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:50 PM Re: Psychic Ability > Hi John > > > Those are two possible reasons. A third, of course, is that they are > > psychic. I'm not choosing between them here, just saying that psychic > > ability is not the only explanation. > > Very true. As a matter of interest, have you heard about the experiment with > the psychic parrot? Very interesting stuff, and with a shocking 98% accuracy > result! > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release 19/05/03 > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2003 Report Share Posted May 23, 2003 Hi John > Sounds like the opening line of a joke...But no, I don't think so. Can you > tell me about it? It does sound like a joke, but 'twas a genuine scientific experiment. The subject was a parrot who had particular word associations with various household objects - it's human companion noticed that when they were thinking of doing something relating to one of these objects the parrot started saying the word associated with it, so they did a properly controlled experiment, with the human in one room and the parrot in a different room, no method of communication between them. They then showed the owner pictures of the various objects in a random order, and the parrot said the words associated with them. IIRC the " accuracy " of the parrot was around 98%! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release 19/05/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2003 Report Share Posted May 26, 2003 Hi Peter, Sounds interesting. Don't suppose you've got the details of a journal or site where the results have been published? John - " Peter " <Snowbow Friday, May 23, 2003 3:49 PM Re: Psychic Ability > Hi John > > > Sounds like the opening line of a joke...But no, I don't think so. Can you > > tell me about it? > > It does sound like a joke, but 'twas a genuine scientific experiment. The > subject was a parrot who had particular word associations with various > household objects - it's human companion noticed that when they were > thinking of doing something relating to one of these objects the parrot > started saying the word associated with it, so they did a properly > controlled experiment, with the human in one room and the parrot in a > different room, no method of communication between them. They then showed > the owner pictures of the various objects in a random order, and the parrot > said the words associated with them. IIRC the " accuracy " of the parrot was > around 98%! > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release 19/05/03 > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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