Scary Soy

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why hasn't the oriental population suffered ?

i think its a conspiricy.

but still, moderation.

i use tofu, but prefer rice milk to soy milk.

all soy all the time...not a good thing !

~shahara

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<< -Actually, the site does present resources on the effects of soy on

 

asian groups.>>

well, the ones I know are fine =)

 

<<Shahara, do you rice milk because you prefer the taste or because

 

you are cautious about soy? >>

 

both because i prefer it, and i get enough soy with other foods.

as i said, moderation and variety are very important.

maybe some folks are just eating TOO MUCH soy and not enough other foods ?

or alot of the Non GMO/non organic soy ?

i don't know...

but soy in itself has been around for a thousand years or more.

(got to find my 'book of tofu')

 

but yes, certainly if you are wary, cut it out of your diet til you do feel

comfortable.

then its not healthy at all,

research and discussion are great !

(and i really should go and read the article you mentioned...this comes up

every year or so)

~shahara

 

 

 

 

 

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all the recent scares about soy er blown out of proportion...

if you eat soy everyday with everymeal, sure, you'll probably get a reaction....

ummm...duh...if you eat anything everyday with every meal, yer sure to get a reaction....

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oh, and weston price...if you don't know them, they are HUGE advocates of the "paleolithic diet" which is all the rage.....

apparantly americans don't eat enough meat according to them, i kid you not..and we need more butter....butter with every meal!

apparantly cro magnon had caves full of butter, we just always thought it was parkay......

*rolls eyes*

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aliens...?

don't fret..the homeland defense dept will quell any threat those!

oh wait..i'd better be quiet, i think too many folks think vegans come from the planet vega....soon i'll be deported to vega...er toledo, whichever they can find....

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I've been to a site about the darker side of soy and I don't like

what I have read. I feel that I may be suffering some of the side of

effects mentioned in this site (my speech has become slurred, my

memory not as sharp and I search for words). The site will not

convince me to do dairy, but I am seriously rethinking the soy. I

was wondering if textured vegetable protien and soy are the same?

 

Minty

 

http://www.westonaprice.org/

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-Actually, the site does present resources on the effects of soy on

asian groups.

Shahara, do you rice milk because you prefer the taste or because

you are cautious about soy?

 

-- In , shahara9@a... wrote:

> why hasn't the oriental population suffered ?

> i think its a conspiricy.

> but still, moderation.

> i use tofu, but prefer rice milk to soy milk.

> all soy all the time...not a good thing !

> ~shahara

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oh yes........i looked too.......and right above the scary soy link, was one for a campaign for real milk..........i wonder who the website is funded by.............i personally would rather swig soy milk than force a single minute of enforced lactation out of a cow somewhere........as a woman, i know i wouldnt like to lactate for the rest of my life........7 months was enough!!!!

catherine

>"mint_faery"

> > > Scary Soy >Sat, 24 May 2003 12:22:36 -0000 > >I've been to a site about the darker side of soy and I don't like >what I have read. I feel that I may be suffering some of the side of >effects mentioned in this site (my speech has become slurred, my >memory not as sharp and I search for words). The site will not >convince me to do dairy, but I am seriously rethinking the soy. I >was wondering if textured vegetable protien and soy are the same? > >Minty > >http://www.westonaprice.org/ > If you love music, create your own online music collection with MSN Music Club.

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This Web site just screams BULLSHIT. I mean, did you see the one about the

low cholesterol wiping out the human population?! come on! I wouldn't be

surprised if I was in a long line of people telling you these are pro-dairy

anti-plant foods morons.

 

Danielle

 

 

 

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Scary Soy

Sat, 24 May 2003 12:22:36 -0000

 

I've been to a site about the darker side of soy and I don't like

what I have read. I feel that I may be suffering some of the side of

effects mentioned in this site (my speech has become slurred, my

memory not as sharp and I search for words). The site will not

convince me to do dairy, but I am seriously rethinking the soy. I

was wondering if textured vegetable protien and soy are the same?

 

Minty

 

http://www.westonaprice.org/

 

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on the bbc yesterday morning here in the uk, they spoke of research proving that vegetarians/vegans have a 30% lower chance of developing fatal heart disease.......

provable, ethical and beleivable research backs us all up

catherine

>"Danielle Kichler"

> > >Re: Scary Soy >Sat, 24 May 2003 11:16:45 -0400 > >This Web site just screams BULLSHIT. I mean, did you see the one about the >low cholesterol wiping out the human population?! come on! I wouldn't be >surprised if I was in a long line of people telling you these are pro-dairy >anti-plant foods morons. > >Danielle > > > >"This is your American dream >Everything is simple in the white and the black >You will never need to see the grey anymore >You will never have to be afraid."--Everclear > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >"mint_faery"

> > > Scary Soy >Sat, 24 May 2003 12:22:36 -0000 > >I've been to a site about the darker side of soy and I don't like >what I have read. I feel that I may be suffering some of the side of >effects mentioned in this site (my speech has become slurred, my >memory not as sharp and I search for words). The site will not >convince me to do dairy, but I am seriously rethinking the soy. I >was wondering if textured vegetable protien and soy are the same? > >Minty > >http://www.westonaprice.org/ > >_______________ >Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > Fed up with 56K? Sign up for a FREE BT Broadband connection!

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quelle surprise..........and if soy is so bad, how come the whole of china japan etc arent rendered sick and debilitated by it???

or could the dairy and meat farming lobby be so huge and powerful we are falling prey to their propaganda????

catherine

>EBbrewpunx > > >Re: Scary Soy >Sat, 24 May 2003 11:28:58 EDT > >oh, and weston price...if you don't know them, they are HUGE advocates of the >"paleolithic diet" which is all the rage..... >apparantly americans don't eat enough meat according to them, i kid you >not..and we need more butter....butter with every meal! >apparantly cro magnon had caves full of butter, we just always thought it was >parkay...... >*rolls eyes* Looking for cheaper internet access? Choose from one of these great offers!

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I didn't do more than scan the article after they implied aliens visit the

planet every 50 years or so, but they implied we were wiped out 'cause of

infertility, and that only a few dairy farmers were left in 2057.

 

Danielle

 

 

 

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You will never need to see the grey anymore

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on the bbc yesterday morning here in the uk, they spoke of research proving that vegetarians/vegans have a 30% lower chance of developing fatal heart disease.......

provable, ethical and beleivable research backs us all up

catherine

>"Danielle Kichler"

> > >Re: Scary Soy >Sat, 24 May 2003 11:16:45 -0400 > >This Web site just screams BULLSHIT. I mean, did you see the one about the >low cholesterol wiping out the human population?! come on! I wouldn't be >surprised if I was in a long line of people telling you these are pro-dairy >anti-plant foods morons. > >Danielle > > > >"This is your American dream >Everything is simple in the white and the black >You will never need to see the grey anymore >You will never have to be afraid."--Everclear > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >"mint_faery"

> > > Scary Soy >Sat, 24 May 2003 12:22:36 -0000 > >I've been to a site about the darker side of soy and I don't like >what I have read. I feel that I may be suffering some of the side of >effects mentioned in this site (my speech has become slurred, my >memory not as sharp and I search for words). The site will not >convince me to do dairy, but I am seriously rethinking the soy. I >was wondering if textured vegetable protien and soy are the same? > >Minty > >http://www.westonaprice.org/ > >_______________ >Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > Fed up with 56K? Sign up for a FREE BT Broadband connection!

 

 

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LOL! Caves full of butter. Very funny.

 

--- EBbrewpunx wrote:

> oh, and weston price...if you don't know them, they

> are HUGE advocates of the

> " paleolithic diet " which is all the rage.....

> apparantly americans don't eat enough meat according

> to them, i kid you

> not..and we need more butter....butter with every

> meal!

> apparantly cro magnon had caves full of butter, we

> just always thought it was

> parkay......

> *rolls eyes*

>

 

 

 

 

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-Well, being that one of my BAs was in anthropology, I never read

any evidence of cro magnon having butter. Cro Magnon were hunters

and gathers and not raising domesticated animals, which is necessary

for butter making as we all know. Thanks for that tibidt about

Weston Price; that site ain't so scary anymore...

Thanks,

Minty

-- In , EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

> oh, and weston price...if you don't know them, they are HUGE

advocates of the

> " paleolithic diet " which is all the rage.....

> apparantly americans don't eat enough meat according to them, i

kid you

> not..and we need more butter....butter with every meal!

> apparantly cro magnon had caves full of butter, we just always

thought it was

> parkay......

> *rolls eyes*

[Guest guest]

Hi Catherine

 

> on the bbc yesterday morning here in the uk, they spoke of research proving that vegetarians/vegans have a 30% lower

> chance of developing fatal heart disease.......

> provable, ethical and beleivable research backs us all up

 

FWIW, in The George in Brighton, their menus have on the back the following info: meat eaters: 50% chance of heart attack, vegetarians: 20% chance, vegans, 4%.

 

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Minty

 

I don't think soya does any of this. I know there is a lot of bad press in

the US concerning soya but I think it is all paid for by the beef and milk

industry. The only thing it might do is suppress your thyroid but only if

you have an existing problem and eat a lot of soya.

 

I would suggest that you visit a doctor or alternative practioner concerning

your symptoms.

 

Jo

> I've been to a site about the darker side of soy and I don't like

> what I have read. I feel that I may be suffering some of the side of

> effects mentioned in this site (my speech has become slurred, my

> memory not as sharp and I search for words). The site will not

> convince me to do dairy, but I am seriously rethinking the soy. I

> was wondering if textured vegetable protien and soy are the same?

>

> Minty

>

> http://www.westonaprice.org/

>

>

>

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>

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That's good. It's been National Vegetarian week, and there does seem to have been more air time given to it this year.

 

Jo

 

 

 

 

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I agree. I think you'd have to eat a lot of it. I know someone who eats 1/3 pack of tofu a day and has done for years. She is a picture of glowing health.

 

Jo

all the recent scares about soy er blown out of proportion...if you eat soy everyday with everymeal, sure, you'll probably get a reaction....ummm...duh...if you eat anything everyday with every meal, yer sure to get a reaction....

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Is that from the soy, or the lack of other vitamins and good stuff?

Was the story saying that soy in combination with other things was

bad or just plain ol' soy? I work in a tofu factory and all that i

have heard about it being bad is if you get stuff that was chemically

extracted as opposed to mechanically pressed out. I think most

allergies and stuff only seem to come in combination with lots of

sugar other bad things. do you have the link for this info? I'm

curious.

tracie

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, " Heartwork " <Heartwork@b...> wrote:

> Minty

>

> I don't think soya does any of this. I know there is a lot of bad

press in

> the US concerning soya but I think it is all paid for by the beef

and milk

> industry. The only thing it might do is suppress your thyroid but

only if

> you have an existing problem and eat a lot of soya.

>

> I would suggest that you visit a doctor or alternative practioner

concerning

> your symptoms.

>

> Jo

> > I've been to a site about the darker side of soy and I don't like

> > what I have read. I feel that I may be suffering some of the side

of

> > effects mentioned in this site (my speech has become slurred, my

> > memory not as sharp and I search for words). The site will not

> > convince me to do dairy, but I am seriously rethinking the soy. I

> > was wondering if textured vegetable protien and soy are the same?

> >

> > Minty

> >

> > http://www.westonaprice.org/

> >

> >

> >

> > To send an email to -

 

> >

> >

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SOME BIASED SOY FACTS FROM A TEMPEH MAKER. I KNOW ALL THE POSITIVE

ONES SO I AM JUST AS BAD AS THE MILK PEOPLE, BUT FROM ANOTHER VIEW.

 

THEY SAY: High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of

calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not

neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking,

sprouting and long, slow cooking.

 

I SAY: Tofu and Soy milk are both soaked for at least 6 hours.

 

 

THEY SAY:Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually

increase the body's requirement for B12.

**

I SAY: Well this is just irritating. Not many of the veg. b 12

vitamans are absorbed easily. That isn't a threat. Just eat more

vitamin c when you eat vegan b12 to increase absorbtion.

 

THEY SAY: Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D.

**

i SAY: to the rest of this, i say WHAT THE FUCK DOES MEAT FULL Of

PESTICIDES AND HORMONES DO?

 

THEY SAY:Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic

lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.

**

I SAY: There is soy with active proteins, meaning that this process

isn't even used.

 

THIS SITE WAS MADE BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE A LINK LIST INCLUDING:

THE " REAL MILK "

NEED WE SAY MORE?

 

SOY SLAVE.

 

 

 

 

 

, " mint_faery " <ahinkson@p...> wrote:

> I've been to a site about the darker side of soy and I don't like

> what I have read. I feel that I may be suffering some of the side

of

> effects mentioned in this site (my speech has become slurred, my

> memory not as sharp and I search for words). The site will not

> convince me to do dairy, but I am seriously rethinking the soy. I

> was wondering if textured vegetable protien and soy are the same?

>

> Minty

>

> http://www.westonaprice.org/

[Guest guest]

And don't forget that grilling meat can cause carcinogens to form--in fact,

meat cooked well-done has the most carcinogens of all. Grilling tempeh

patties and vegetables does NOT cause formation of these cancerous

compounds.

 

Danielle

 

 

 

" This is your American dream

Everything is simple in the white and the black

You will never need to see the grey anymore

You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear

 

 

 

 

 

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" Tracie Bell " <isisparadox

 

 

Re: Scary Soy

Mon, 26 May 2003 22:10:03 -0000

 

SOME BIASED SOY FACTS FROM A TEMPEH MAKER. I KNOW ALL THE POSITIVE

ONES SO I AM JUST AS BAD AS THE MILK PEOPLE, BUT FROM ANOTHER VIEW.

 

THEY SAY: High levels of phytic acid in soy reduce assimilation of

calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and zinc. Phytic acid in soy is not

neutralized by ordinary preparation methods such as soaking,

sprouting and long, slow cooking.

 

I SAY: Tofu and Soy milk are both soaked for at least 6 hours.

 

 

THEY SAY:Vitamin B12 analogs in soy are not absorbed and actually

increase the body's requirement for B12.

**

I SAY: Well this is just irritating. Not many of the veg. b 12

vitamans are absorbed easily. That isn't a threat. Just eat more

vitamin c when you eat vegan b12 to increase absorbtion.

 

THEY SAY: Soy foods increase the body's requirement for vitamin D.

**

i SAY: to the rest of this, i say WHAT THE FUCK DOES MEAT FULL Of

PESTICIDES AND HORMONES DO?

 

THEY SAY:Processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic

lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines.

**

I SAY: There is soy with active proteins, meaning that this process

isn't even used.

 

THIS SITE WAS MADE BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE A LINK LIST INCLUDING:

THE " REAL MILK "

NEED WE SAY MORE?

 

SOY SLAVE.

 

 

 

 

 

, " mint_faery " <ahinkson@p...> wrote:

> I've been to a site about the darker side of soy and I don't like

> what I have read. I feel that I may be suffering some of the side

of

> effects mentioned in this site (my speech has become slurred, my

> memory not as sharp and I search for words). The site will not

> convince me to do dairy, but I am seriously rethinking the soy. I

> was wondering if textured vegetable protien and soy are the same?

>

> Minty

>

> http://www.westonaprice.org/

 

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