Guest guest Posted July 26, 2003 Report Share Posted July 26, 2003 I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm ready for some regulation on GMOs. After reading the article on the new genetically altered wheat that M*****to is growing in the Dakotas, I'm more adamant than ever. And here I thought they would actually wait on this new crop since they already have corn and soybeans in mutation. Here in the U.S., biotech companies have charged ahead, despite the lack of conclusive evidence that transgenic organisms are safe. Sure, they spout the opposite party line that " you can't prove that GMOs are not safe... " Now that the U.S. has jumped feet-first into the genetic arena (we've been mired in it for more than 5 years now), maybe we could at least get some labeling regulations. Let people know what they're eating. Consumers who purchase organic already have assurances that their food is non-GMO, but for how long? How long will these crops grow in isolation without polluting the surrounding fields? It's already happened with flax. What a quandary. I recently read an excellent book on this subject, a fiction novel called " Mutant " by Peter Clement. It was an excellent book if you're interested in this subject. Although fiction, how much longer until these nighmares are fact? Opinions, insights, or commentary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2003 Report Share Posted July 26, 2003 Hi Doug > I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm ready for some regulation > on GMOs. I agree with you. We're not in quite so deep in the UK, but not far off!.... > Sure, they > spout the opposite party line that "you can't prove that GMOs are not > safe..." Which is exactly what they said about radiation for 80 years and tobacco for 400!! BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.501 / Virus Database: 299 - Release 14/07/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2003 Report Share Posted July 26, 2003 its almost too late as it is... genetic drift has occured..they let the genie out of the bottle..and, its gonna be a devil to get it back in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2003 Report Share Posted July 26, 2003 Sure, they >spout the opposite party line that " you can't prove that GMOs are not >safe... " \ i guess they never heard of the precautionary principle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 EBbrewpunx wrote: > > its almost too late as it is... > genetic drift has occured..they let the genie out of the bottle..and, its gonna be a devil to get it back in... > I thought genetic drift was something else. What do you mean by " genetic drift " ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 All these free-marketeers should be for it--after all, if people don't mind GMOs, they'll still buy them once labeled right? It's what the market will bear, as they love to say. however, not only are they pushing GMOs on everyone, they are adamantly against labeling because they know people won't buy the stuff if they know it's GMO. So they're poisoning the American people and want to poison the world. Danielle " This is your American dream Everything is simple in the white and the black You will never need to see the grey anymore You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear ----Original Message Follows---- " Doug " <DougDuea1 Rogue soya beanie Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:29:02 -0000 I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm ready for some regulation on GMOs. After reading the article on the new genetically altered wheat that M*****to is growing in the Dakotas, I'm more adamant than ever. And here I thought they would actually wait on this new crop since they already have corn and soybeans in mutation. Here in the U.S., biotech companies have charged ahead, despite the lack of conclusive evidence that transgenic organisms are safe. Sure, they spout the opposite party line that " you can't prove that GMOs are not safe... " Now that the U.S. has jumped feet-first into the genetic arena (we've been mired in it for more than 5 years now), maybe we could at least get some labeling regulations. Let people know what they're eating. Consumers who purchase organic already have assurances that their food is non-GMO, but for how long? How long will these crops grow in isolation without polluting the surrounding fields? It's already happened with flax. What a quandary. I recently read an excellent book on this subject, a fiction novel called " Mutant " by Peter Clement. It was an excellent book if you're interested in this subject. Although fiction, how much longer until these nighmares are fact? Opinions, insights, or commentary? _______________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 I think he means pollen from the frankencrops has drifted. But here's my question. supposedly, seeds produced by these mutated plants are sterile, or so I've heard; Monsanto just keeps creating new seeds to sell to the suckers who plant the stuff. If that's true, how bad would the contamination be if the pollen drifts onto other fields. Can it harm the non-GMO crop therein? I'm not playing devil's advocate; I'm just saying, if the stuff drifts, but is sterile and can't infect other foods, is it a huge concern? Danielle " This is your American dream Everything is simple in the white and the black You will never need to see the grey anymore You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear ----Original Message Follows---- " Dr. Ian McDonald " <ian Re: Rogue soya beanie Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:49:25 +0100 EBbrewpunx wrote: > > its almost too late as it is... > genetic drift has occured..they let the genie out of the bottle..and, its gonna be a devil to get it back in... > I thought genetic drift was something else. What do you mean by " genetic drift " ? _______________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 i was using it meaning that GM DNA migrates to " natural " plants..and related species... Genes from genetically modified crops are turning up not only in fields of non GMO crops, but, in closely related " weed " species... " Dr. Ian McDonald " <ian wrote: > > >EBbrewpunx wrote: >> >> its almost too late as it is... >> genetic drift has occured..they let the genie out of the bottle..and, its gonna be a devil to get it back in... >> > >I thought genetic drift was something else. What do you mean by " genetic >drift " ? > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 its all about controlling the worlds food supply from seed to store and back again... .. So they're poisoning the American >people and want to poison the world. > >Danielle > > > > " This is your American dream >Everything is simple in the white and the black >You will never need to see the grey anymore >You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > " Doug " <DougDuea1 > > > Rogue soya beanie >Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:29:02 -0000 > >I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm ready for some regulation >on GMOs. After reading the article on the new genetically altered >wheat that M*****to is growing in the Dakotas, I'm more adamant than >ever. And here I thought they would actually wait on this new crop >since they already have corn and soybeans in mutation. Here in the >U.S., biotech companies have charged ahead, despite the lack of >conclusive evidence that transgenic organisms are safe. Sure, they >spout the opposite party line that " you can't prove that GMOs are not >safe... " Now that the U.S. has jumped feet-first into the genetic >arena (we've been mired in it for more than 5 years now), maybe we >could at least get some labeling regulations. Let people know what >they're eating. Consumers who purchase organic already have >assurances that their food is non-GMO, but for how long? How long >will these crops grow in isolation without polluting the surrounding >fields? It's already happened with flax. What a quandary. I >recently read an excellent book on this subject, a fiction novel >called " Mutant " by Peter Clement. It was an excellent book if you're >interested in this subject. Although fiction, how much longer until >these nighmares are fact? Opinions, insights, or commentary? > >_______________ >Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 monsanto is flirting with the idea that the seeds will be sterile..they aren't yet besides, like everything else, murphy's law..it will never be 100% foolproof..at least 1%(probably more) wouldn't be truly sterile..just like mules..a certain percentage can actually breed.. the sterile thing came out of the reaction to terminator seeds..these were suppose to have genes which basically turned off the reproductive habits..of course..in nature..things often skip a generation..so, you'll have sleeper genes, which would get out in the general population..imagine a terminator gene loose in say..a forest.... *shudder* monsanto seeds are not sterile as of yet...they are working on it..but..there are many folks against it, even those who like the whole idea of golden rice and bioteching our agriculture.... " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart wrote: >I think he means pollen from the frankencrops has drifted. But here's my >question. supposedly, seeds produced by these mutated plants are sterile, >or so I've heard; Monsanto just keeps creating new seeds to sell to the >suckers who plant the stuff. If that's true, how bad would the >contamination be if the pollen drifts onto other fields. Can it harm the >non-GMO crop therein? I'm not playing devil's advocate; I'm just saying, if >the stuff drifts, but is sterile and can't infect other foods, is it a huge >concern? > >Danielle > > > > " This is your American dream >Everything is simple in the white and the black >You will never need to see the grey anymore >You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > " Dr. Ian McDonald " <ian > > >Re: Rogue soya beanie >Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:49:25 +0100 > > > >EBbrewpunx wrote: > > > > its almost too late as it is... > > genetic drift has occured..they let the genie out of the bottle..and, its >gonna be a devil to get it back in... > > > >I thought genetic drift was something else. What do you mean by " genetic >drift " ? > >_______________ >The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 Monsanto just keeps creating new seeds to sell to the >suckers who plant the stuff. you have to, buy law..monsanto makes you sign a contract...you have to purchase their seeds each year...see..technically, they own the whole plant..seed, stems, leaves, fruit, the whole shebang..the farmer is " leasing " it...if he attempts to save the seed, he breaking contract, and subject to lawsuits..which, is what is causing all sort of problems with every other farmer..pollen drifts..so..if yer GMO wheat field happens to let its pollen fly, and it hits my organic field...guess what..i can't save the seed 1. its no longer organic 2. i have to get a license from monsanto now, cuz their patented gentic material is in my crop.... sneaky huh? like i said..the stuff isn't streile...just one of the many things they are working on...but... fraggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 yeah, but you know darn well if they make 'em sterile, it will be an even bigger cash crop--pun intended--for Monsanto as the farmers will have to keep buying their seeds from Big Evil Corporate Scum. I truly hopes this blows up in Monsanto's face--and soon. Danielle " This is your American dream Everything is simple in the white and the black You will never need to see the grey anymore You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear ----Original Message Follows---- EBbrewpunx Re: Rogue soya beanie Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:59:31 -0400 monsanto is flirting with the idea that the seeds will be sterile..they aren't yet besides, like everything else, murphy's law..it will never be 100% foolproof..at least 1%(probably more) wouldn't be truly sterile..just like mules..a certain percentage can actually breed.. the sterile thing came out of the reaction to terminator seeds..these were suppose to have genes which basically turned off the reproductive habits..of course..in nature..things often skip a generation..so, you'll have sleeper genes, which would get out in the general population..imagine a terminator gene loose in say..a forest.... *shudder* monsanto seeds are not sterile as of yet...they are working on it..but..there are many folks against it, even those who like the whole idea of golden rice and bioteching our agriculture.... " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart wrote: >I think he means pollen from the frankencrops has drifted. But here's my >question. supposedly, seeds produced by these mutated plants are sterile, >or so I've heard; Monsanto just keeps creating new seeds to sell to the >suckers who plant the stuff. If that's true, how bad would the >contamination be if the pollen drifts onto other fields. Can it harm the >non-GMO crop therein? I'm not playing devil's advocate; I'm just saying, if >the stuff drifts, but is sterile and can't infect other foods, is it a huge >concern? > >Danielle > > > > " This is your American dream >Everything is simple in the white and the black >You will never need to see the grey anymore >You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > " Dr. Ian McDonald " <ian > > >Re: Rogue soya beanie >Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:49:25 +0100 > > > >EBbrewpunx wrote: > > > > its almost too late as it is... > > genetic drift has occured..they let the genie out of the bottle..and, its >gonna be a devil to get it back in... > > > >I thought genetic drift was something else. What do you mean by " genetic >drift " ? > >_______________ >The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2003 Report Share Posted July 27, 2003 that is there plan.... they already own the major seed companies..so, they want to have a solid lock hold on the whole thing....controlling the world's food supply... " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart wrote: >yeah, but you know darn well if they make 'em sterile, it will be an even >bigger cash crop--pun intended--for Monsanto as the farmers will have to >keep buying their seeds from Big Evil Corporate Scum. I truly hopes this >blows up in Monsanto's face--and soon. > >Danielle > > > > " This is your American dream >Everything is simple in the white and the black >You will never need to see the grey anymore >You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- >EBbrewpunx > > >Re: Rogue soya beanie >Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:59:31 -0400 > >monsanto is flirting with the idea that the seeds will be sterile..they >aren't yet >besides, like everything else, murphy's law..it will never be 100% >foolproof..at least 1%(probably more) wouldn't be truly sterile..just like >mules..a certain percentage can actually breed.. >the sterile thing came out of the reaction to terminator seeds..these were >suppose to have genes which basically turned off the reproductive habits..of >course..in nature..things often skip a generation..so, you'll have sleeper >genes, which would get out in the general population..imagine a terminator >gene loose in say..a forest.... >*shudder* >monsanto seeds are not sterile as of yet...they are working on >it..but..there are many folks against it, even those who like the whole idea >of golden rice and bioteching our agriculture.... > > > " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart wrote: > > >I think he means pollen from the frankencrops has drifted. But here's my > >question. supposedly, seeds produced by these mutated plants are sterile, > >or so I've heard; Monsanto just keeps creating new seeds to sell to the > >suckers who plant the stuff. If that's true, how bad would the > >contamination be if the pollen drifts onto other fields. Can it harm the > >non-GMO crop therein? I'm not playing devil's advocate; I'm just saying, >if > >the stuff drifts, but is sterile and can't infect other foods, is it a >huge > >concern? > > > >Danielle > > > > > > > > " This is your American dream > >Everything is simple in the white and the black > >You will never need to see the grey anymore > >You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear > > > > > > > > > > > >----Original Message Follows---- > > " Dr. Ian McDonald " <ian > > > > > >Re: Rogue soya beanie > >Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:49:25 +0100 > > > > > > > >EBbrewpunx wrote: > > > > > > its almost too late as it is... > > > genetic drift has occured..they let the genie out of the bottle..and, >its > >gonna be a devil to get it back in... > > > > > > >I thought genetic drift was something else. What do you mean by " genetic > >drift " ? > > > >_______________ > >The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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