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I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm ready for some regulation

on GMOs. After reading the article on the new genetically altered

wheat that M*****to is growing in the Dakotas, I'm more adamant than

ever. And here I thought they would actually wait on this new crop

since they already have corn and soybeans in mutation. Here in the

U.S., biotech companies have charged ahead, despite the lack of

conclusive evidence that transgenic organisms are safe. Sure, they

spout the opposite party line that " you can't prove that GMOs are not

safe... " Now that the U.S. has jumped feet-first into the genetic

arena (we've been mired in it for more than 5 years now), maybe we

could at least get some labeling regulations. Let people know what

they're eating. Consumers who purchase organic already have

assurances that their food is non-GMO, but for how long? How long

will these crops grow in isolation without polluting the surrounding

fields? It's already happened with flax. What a quandary. I

recently read an excellent book on this subject, a fiction novel

called " Mutant " by Peter Clement. It was an excellent book if you're

interested in this subject. Although fiction, how much longer until

these nighmares are fact? Opinions, insights, or commentary?

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Hi Doug

 

> I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm ready for some regulation > on GMOs.

 

I agree with you. We're not in quite so deep in the UK, but not far off!....

 

> Sure, they > spout the opposite party line that "you can't prove that GMOs are not > safe..."

 

Which is exactly what they said about radiation for 80 years and tobacco for 400!!

 

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 Sure, they

>spout the opposite party line that " you can't prove that GMOs are not

>safe... " \

i guess they never heard of the precautionary principle...

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EBbrewpunx wrote:

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> its almost too late as it is...

> genetic drift has occured..they let the genie out of the bottle..and, its

gonna be a devil to get it back in...

>

 

I thought genetic drift was something else. What do you mean by " genetic

drift " ?

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All these free-marketeers should be for it--after all, if people don't mind

GMOs, they'll still buy them once labeled right? It's what the market will

bear, as they love to say. however, not only are they pushing GMOs on

everyone, they are adamantly against labeling because they know people won't

buy the stuff if they know it's GMO. So they're poisoning the American

people and want to poison the world.

 

Danielle

 

 

 

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You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear

 

 

 

 

 

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Rogue soya beanie

Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:29:02 -0000

 

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm ready for some regulation

on GMOs. After reading the article on the new genetically altered

wheat that M*****to is growing in the Dakotas, I'm more adamant than

ever. And here I thought they would actually wait on this new crop

since they already have corn and soybeans in mutation. Here in the

U.S., biotech companies have charged ahead, despite the lack of

conclusive evidence that transgenic organisms are safe. Sure, they

spout the opposite party line that " you can't prove that GMOs are not

safe... " Now that the U.S. has jumped feet-first into the genetic

arena (we've been mired in it for more than 5 years now), maybe we

could at least get some labeling regulations. Let people know what

they're eating. Consumers who purchase organic already have

assurances that their food is non-GMO, but for how long? How long

will these crops grow in isolation without polluting the surrounding

fields? It's already happened with flax. What a quandary. I

recently read an excellent book on this subject, a fiction novel

called " Mutant " by Peter Clement. It was an excellent book if you're

interested in this subject. Although fiction, how much longer until

these nighmares are fact? Opinions, insights, or commentary?

 

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I think he means pollen from the frankencrops has drifted. But here's my

question. supposedly, seeds produced by these mutated plants are sterile,

or so I've heard; Monsanto just keeps creating new seeds to sell to the

suckers who plant the stuff. If that's true, how bad would the

contamination be if the pollen drifts onto other fields. Can it harm the

non-GMO crop therein? I'm not playing devil's advocate; I'm just saying, if

the stuff drifts, but is sterile and can't infect other foods, is it a huge

concern?

 

Danielle

 

 

 

" This is your American dream

Everything is simple in the white and the black

You will never need to see the grey anymore

You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear

 

 

 

 

 

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Re: Rogue soya beanie

Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:49:25 +0100

 

 

 

EBbrewpunx wrote:

>

> its almost too late as it is...

> genetic drift has occured..they let the genie out of the bottle..and, its

gonna be a devil to get it back in...

>

 

I thought genetic drift was something else. What do you mean by " genetic

drift " ?

 

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i was using it meaning that GM DNA migrates to " natural " plants..and related

species...

Genes from genetically modified crops are turning up not only in fields of non

GMO crops, but, in closely related " weed " species...

 

 

" Dr. Ian McDonald " <ian wrote:

 

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>

>EBbrewpunx wrote:

>>

>> its almost too late as it is...

>> genetic drift has occured..they let the genie out of the bottle..and, its

gonna be a devil to get it back in...

>>

>

>I thought genetic drift was something else. What do you mean by " genetic

>drift " ?

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its all about controlling the worlds food supply from seed to store and back

again...

 

..  So they're poisoning the American

>people and want to poison the world.

>

>Danielle

>

>

>

> " This is your American dream

>Everything is simple in the white and the black

>You will never need to see the grey anymore

>You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear

>

>

>

>

>

>----Original Message Follows----

> " Doug " <DougDuea1

>

>

> Rogue soya beanie

>Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:29:02 -0000

>

>I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm ready for some regulation

>on GMOs.  After reading the article on the new genetically altered

>wheat that M*****to is growing in the Dakotas, I'm more adamant than

>ever.  And here I thought they would actually wait on this new crop

>since they already have corn and soybeans in mutation.  Here in the

>U.S., biotech companies have charged ahead, despite the lack of

>conclusive evidence that transgenic organisms are safe.  Sure, they

>spout the opposite party line that " you can't prove that GMOs are not

>safe... "  Now that the U.S. has jumped feet-first into the genetic

>arena (we've been mired in it for more than 5 years now), maybe we

>could at least get some labeling regulations.  Let people know what

>they're eating. Consumers who purchase organic already have

>assurances that their food is non-GMO, but for how long? How long

>will these crops grow in isolation without polluting the surrounding

>fields?  It's already happened with flax.  What a quandary.  I

>recently read an excellent book on this subject, a fiction novel

>called " Mutant " by Peter Clement.  It was an excellent book if you're

>interested in this subject.  Although fiction, how much longer until

>these nighmares are fact? Opinions, insights, or commentary?

>

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monsanto is flirting with the idea that the seeds will be sterile..they aren't

yet

besides, like everything else, murphy's law..it will never be 100% foolproof..at

least 1%(probably more) wouldn't be truly sterile..just like mules..a certain

percentage can actually breed..

the sterile thing came out of the reaction to terminator seeds..these were

suppose to have genes which basically turned off the reproductive habits..of

course..in nature..things often skip a generation..so, you'll have sleeper

genes, which would get out in the general population..imagine a terminator gene

loose in say..a forest....

*shudder*

monsanto seeds are not sterile as of yet...they are working on it..but..there

are many folks against it, even those who like the whole idea of golden rice and

bioteching our agriculture....

 

 

" Danielle Kichler " <veggietart wrote:

 

>I think he means pollen from the frankencrops has drifted.  But here's my

>question.  supposedly, seeds produced by these mutated plants are sterile,

>or so I've heard; Monsanto just keeps creating new seeds to sell to the

>suckers who plant the stuff.  If that's true, how bad would the

>contamination be if the pollen drifts onto other fields.  Can it harm the

>non-GMO crop therein?  I'm not playing devil's advocate; I'm just saying, if

>the stuff drifts, but is sterile and can't infect other foods, is it a huge

>concern?

>

>Danielle

>

>

>

> " This is your American dream

>Everything is simple in the white and the black

>You will never need to see the grey anymore

>You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear

>

>

>

>

>

>----Original Message Follows----

> " Dr. Ian McDonald " <ian

>

>

>Re: Rogue soya beanie

>Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:49:25 +0100

>

>

>

>EBbrewpunx wrote:

> >

> > its almost too late as it is...

> > genetic drift has occured..they let the genie out of the bottle..and, its

>gonna be a devil to get it back in...

> >

>

>I thought genetic drift was something else. What do you mean by " genetic

>drift " ?

>

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Monsanto just keeps creating new seeds to sell to the

>suckers who plant the stuff.  

you have to, buy law..monsanto makes you sign a contract...you have to purchase

their seeds each year...see..technically, they own the whole plant..seed, stems,

leaves, fruit, the whole shebang..the farmer is " leasing " it...if he attempts to

save the seed, he breaking contract, and subject to lawsuits..which, is what is

causing all sort of problems with every other farmer..pollen drifts..so..if yer

GMO wheat field happens to let its pollen fly, and it hits my organic

field...guess what..i can't save the seed

1. its no longer organic

2. i have to get a license from monsanto now, cuz their patented gentic

material is in my crop....

sneaky huh?

like i said..the stuff isn't streile...just one of the many things they are

working on...but...

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yeah, but you know darn well if they make 'em sterile, it will be an even

bigger cash crop--pun intended--for Monsanto as the farmers will have to

keep buying their seeds from Big Evil Corporate Scum. I truly hopes this

blows up in Monsanto's face--and soon.

 

Danielle

 

 

 

" This is your American dream

Everything is simple in the white and the black

You will never need to see the grey anymore

You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear

 

 

 

 

 

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EBbrewpunx

 

 

Re: Rogue soya beanie

Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:59:31 -0400

 

monsanto is flirting with the idea that the seeds will be sterile..they

aren't yet

besides, like everything else, murphy's law..it will never be 100%

foolproof..at least 1%(probably more) wouldn't be truly sterile..just like

mules..a certain percentage can actually breed..

the sterile thing came out of the reaction to terminator seeds..these were

suppose to have genes which basically turned off the reproductive habits..of

course..in nature..things often skip a generation..so, you'll have sleeper

genes, which would get out in the general population..imagine a terminator

gene loose in say..a forest....

*shudder*

monsanto seeds are not sterile as of yet...they are working on

it..but..there are many folks against it, even those who like the whole idea

of golden rice and bioteching our agriculture....

 

 

" Danielle Kichler " <veggietart wrote:

 

>I think he means pollen from the frankencrops has drifted.  But here's my

>question.  supposedly, seeds produced by these mutated plants are sterile,

>or so I've heard; Monsanto just keeps creating new seeds to sell to the

>suckers who plant the stuff.  If that's true, how bad would the

>contamination be if the pollen drifts onto other fields.  Can it harm the

>non-GMO crop therein?  I'm not playing devil's advocate; I'm just saying,

if

>the stuff drifts, but is sterile and can't infect other foods, is it a

huge

>concern?

>

>Danielle

>

>

>

> " This is your American dream

>Everything is simple in the white and the black

>You will never need to see the grey anymore

>You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear

>

>

>

>

>

>----Original Message Follows----

> " Dr. Ian McDonald " <ian

>

>

>Re: Rogue soya beanie

>Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:49:25 +0100

>

>

>

>EBbrewpunx wrote:

> >

> > its almost too late as it is...

> > genetic drift has occured..they let the genie out of the bottle..and,

its

>gonna be a devil to get it back in...

> >

>

>I thought genetic drift was something else. What do you mean by " genetic

>drift " ?

>

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that is there plan....

they already own the major seed companies..so, they want to have a solid lock

hold on the whole thing....controlling the world's food supply...

 

 

" Danielle Kichler " <veggietart wrote:

 

>yeah, but you know darn well if they make 'em sterile, it will be an even

>bigger cash crop--pun intended--for Monsanto as the farmers will have to

>keep buying their seeds from Big Evil Corporate Scum.  I truly hopes this

>blows up in Monsanto's face--and soon.

>

>Danielle

>

>

>

> " This is your American dream

>Everything is simple in the white and the black

>You will never need to see the grey anymore

>You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear

>

>

>

>

>

>----Original Message Follows----

>EBbrewpunx

>

>

>Re: Rogue soya beanie

>Sun, 27 Jul 2003 13:59:31 -0400

>

>monsanto is flirting with the idea that the seeds will be sterile..they

>aren't yet

>besides, like everything else, murphy's law..it will never be 100%

>foolproof..at least 1%(probably more) wouldn't be truly sterile..just like

>mules..a certain percentage can actually breed..

>the sterile thing came out of the reaction to terminator seeds..these were

>suppose to have genes which basically turned off the reproductive habits..of

>course..in nature..things often skip a generation..so, you'll have sleeper

>genes, which would get out in the general population..imagine a terminator

>gene loose in say..a forest....

>*shudder*

>monsanto seeds are not sterile  as of yet...they are working on

>it..but..there are many folks against it, even those who like the whole idea

>of golden rice and bioteching our agriculture....

>

>

> " Danielle Kichler " <veggietart wrote:

>

> >I think he means pollen from the frankencrops has drifted.  But here's my

> >question.  supposedly, seeds produced by these mutated plants are sterile,

> >or so I've heard; Monsanto just keeps creating new seeds to sell to the

> >suckers who plant the stuff.  If that's true, how bad would the

> >contamination be if the pollen drifts onto other fields.  Can it harm the

> >non-GMO crop therein?  I'm not playing devil's advocate; I'm just saying,

>if

> >the stuff drifts, but is sterile and can't infect other foods, is it a

>huge

> >concern?

> >

> >Danielle

> >

> >

> >

> > " This is your American dream

> >Everything is simple in the white and the black

> >You will never need to see the grey anymore

> >You will never have to be afraid. " --Everclear

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >----Original Message Follows----

> > " Dr. Ian McDonald " <ian

> >

> >

> >Re: Rogue soya beanie

> >Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:49:25 +0100

> >

> >

> >

> >EBbrewpunx wrote:

> > >

> > > its almost too late as it is...

> > > genetic drift has occured..they let the genie out of the bottle..and,

>its

> >gonna be a devil to get it back in...

> > >

> >

> >I thought genetic drift was something else. What do you mean by " genetic

> >drift " ?

> >

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