Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Well, the fun continues in the debate between the U.S. and the European Union over genetically modified crops. President Bush is trying to strong-arm the Union into allowing new strains of genetically altered crops to be imported to Europe. It seems Europe's recalcitrance (which I applaud) is hurting the proverbial agricultural pocketbook. Since 1998, when the EU banned further importation of new GMO strains, American farmers have claimed a loss of $300 million per annum on just corn crops alone. Boo hoo! Bush (backed by Canada and Argentina) claims that this is direct violation of free trade. He has even threatened to sue the EU? [Don't quote me, I don't remember where I read that.] The EU might relent on the importation issue, but will mandate labeling on any foodstuff that contains more than .9% GMO. Hello, we should have done that in the U.S. from the beginning of this whole nonsense! Anyway, my questions are legion, but here are two for discussion: How does Europe's decision to not accept (or to accept and label) GMOs go against free trade? I guess I don't understand from where Mr. Bush is pulling this spurious argument. Segundo: Seeing as how Mr. Bush is so entrenched in the religious conservative right, why does the altering of nature's genetic code not countermand his belief system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 HI Doug I hope the EU will not accept it. They would be stupid to because it will not sell well. I also do not see how it goes against 'free-trade'. Jo - Doug Sunday, August 10, 2003 3:11 PM Transgenic Terrors Well, the fun continues in the debate between the U.S. and the European Union over genetically modified crops. President Bush is trying to strong-arm the Union into allowing new strains of genetically altered crops to be imported to Europe. It seems Europe's recalcitrance (which I applaud) is hurting the proverbial agricultural pocketbook. Since 1998, when the EU banned further importation of new GMO strains, American farmers have claimed a loss of $300 million per annum on just corn crops alone. Boo hoo! Bush (backed by Canada and Argentina) claims that this is direct violation of free trade. He has even threatened to sue the EU? [Don't quote me, I don't remember where I read that.] The EU might relent on the importation issue, but will mandate labeling on any foodstuff that contains more than .9% GMO. Hello, we should have done that in the U.S. from the beginning of this whole nonsense! Anyway, my questions are legion, but here are two for discussion:How does Europe's decision to not accept (or to accept and label) GMOs go against free trade? I guess I don't understand from where Mr. Bush is pulling this spurious argument.Segundo: Seeing as how Mr. Bush is so entrenched in the religious conservative right, why does the altering of nature's genetic code not countermand his belief system? To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 You seem to be misunderstanding the concepts of free trade. Free Trade means that the large (and usually American) multinationals should be free to sell what they like around the world in whatever fashion they like. This means that even when the FDA slap a ban on something at home, the companies can continue selling around the world for years while they develop something new. The EC placing limitations on this contradicts with this great American tradition, and even worse could get people at home questioning the products. Money talks louder than God. I suspect that if Nike and McDonalds decided to open abortion clinics inside their stores, then he would probably be convinced to do an about turn on that as well. Dave ----- Original Message from Doug ----- How does Europe's decision to not accept (or to accept and label) GMOs go against free trade? I guess I don't understand from where Mr. Bush is pulling this spurious argument. Segundo: Seeing as how Mr. Bush is so entrenched in the religious conservative right, why does the altering of nature's genetic code not countermand his belief system? To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 In a message dated 8/10/03 7:11:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, DougDuea1 writes: Segundo: Seeing as how Mr. Bush is so entrenched in the religious conservative right, why does the altering of nature's genetic code not countermand his belief system? because in his belief system, "God" gave the planet to humankind to dominate....we can do with it as we please.... bleah... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2003 Report Share Posted August 10, 2003 Well, there's my point--he's against stem cell research to SAVE LIVES because he thinks it's 'playing god,' but he has no fucking problem with GMOs, which is ALSO playing god. And Frankenstein. how about we give the organic and conventional foods to the people who need it and let all the CEOs and their families eat the GMOs? Danielle Sure there's a light at the end of the tunnel...I just hope it isn't an oncoming train! ----Original Message Follows---- " Doug " <DougDuea1 Transgenic Terrors Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:11:04 -0000 Well, the fun continues in the debate between the U.S. and the European Union over genetically modified crops. President Bush is trying to strong-arm the Union into allowing new strains of genetically altered crops to be imported to Europe. It seems Europe's recalcitrance (which I applaud) is hurting the proverbial agricultural pocketbook. Since 1998, when the EU banned further importation of new GMO strains, American farmers have claimed a loss of $300 million per annum on just corn crops alone. Boo hoo! Bush (backed by Canada and Argentina) claims that this is direct violation of free trade. He has even threatened to sue the EU? [Don't quote me, I don't remember where I read that.] The EU might relent on the importation issue, but will mandate labeling on any foodstuff that contains more than .9% GMO. Hello, we should have done that in the U.S. from the beginning of this whole nonsense! Anyway, my questions are legion, but here are two for discussion: How does Europe's decision to not accept (or to accept and label) GMOs go against free trade? I guess I don't understand from where Mr. Bush is pulling this spurious argument. Segundo: Seeing as how Mr. Bush is so entrenched in the religious conservative right, why does the altering of nature's genetic code not countermand his belief system? _______________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 In a message dated 8/10/03 11:34:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ian writes: I imagine a large number of CEOs don't care wheher their food is GMO or organic. dunno about that.,.. foods with GMO ingredients are banned from the commissaries at the monsanto office in the UK.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Danielle Kichler wrote: > > Well, there's my point--he's against stem cell research to SAVE LIVES > because he thinks it's 'playing god,' Actually, I thought he was against stem cell research because it involves killing human embryos. > but he has no fucking problem with > GMOs, which is ALSO playing god. And Frankenstein. That begs the question of whether it *is* playing god. > how about we give the > organic and conventional foods to the people who need it and let all the > CEOs and their families eat the GMOs? Iceland, a low-end frozen grocers, tried to go all organic without changing their prices, but the people who needed it decided that if it was organic, it must be expensive (even though it wasn't!) and went elsewhere. I imagine a large number of CEOs don't care wheher their food is GMO or organic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 OK, but the research involves embryos that are going to be discarded--killed--anyway. They're not making embryos for the sole purpose of stem cell research; they're using embryos that won't ever be implanted in a woman's uterus because she's decided in vitro doesn't work, or it did work, and she has the child(ren) she wants. Besides, given the choice between an embryo and alleviating the misery of an actual human being, I'll go with the actual human. As for GMOs playing god, what else is insterting one gene into another species to make an organism that never could happen in nature? I mean, in nature, fish could never breed with plants. Danielle Sure there's a light at the end of the tunnel...I just hope it isn't an oncoming train! ----Original Message Follows---- " Dr. Ian McDonald " <ian Re: Transgenic Terrors Mon, 11 Aug 2003 07:38:04 +0100 Danielle Kichler wrote: > > Well, there's my point--he's against stem cell research to SAVE LIVES > because he thinks it's 'playing god,' Actually, I thought he was against stem cell research because it involves killing human embryos. > but he has no fucking problem with > GMOs, which is ALSO playing god. And Frankenstein. That begs the question of whether it *is* playing god. > how about we give the > organic and conventional foods to the people who need it and let all the > CEOs and their families eat the GMOs? Iceland, a low-end frozen grocers, tried to go all organic without changing their prices, but the people who needed it decided that if it was organic, it must be expensive (even though it wasn't!) and went elsewhere. I imagine a large number of CEOs don't care wheher their food is GMO or organic. _______________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 You have gotta fucking be kidding me. Monsanto, the purveyor of frankenfood, does not have GMOs at its UK office? I guess that has more to do with the UK's ban than Monsanto's decision, but I think that their location should be the once exception to the ban. Danielle Sure there's a light at the end of the tunnel...I just hope it isn't an oncoming train! ----Original Message Follows---- EBbrewpunx Re: Transgenic Terrors Mon, 11 Aug 2003 02:38:32 EDT In a message dated 8/10/03 11:34:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ian writes: > > I imagine a large number of CEOs don't care wheher their food is GMO or > organic. dunno about that.,.. foods with GMO ingredients are banned from the commissaries at the monsanto office in the UK.... _______________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Hi Danielle > You have gotta fucking be kidding me. Monsanto, the purveyor of > frankenfood, does not have GMOs at its UK office? I guess that has more to > do with the UK's ban than Monsanto's decision, but I think that their > location should be the once exception to the ban. There is no ban on selling or consuming GM foods in the UK... there are certain (gradually eroding) regulations on growing them. It's also somewhat ironic that the government are fully behind GM products.... but have had the sale of GM foods banned from the House of Commons canteen! BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.506 / Virus Database: 303 - Release 01/08/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 ....and from the Houses of Parliament canteen! I believe. Jo I imagine a large number of CEOs don't care wheher their food is GMO ororganic. dunno about that.,..foods with GMO ingredients are banned from the commissaries at the monsanto office in the UK.... ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.506 / Virus Database: 303 - Release 01/08/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Danielle We do not have a ban on gm foods being sold. Jo Monsanto, the purveyor of frankenfood, does not have GMOs at its UK office? I guess that has more to do with the UK's ban than Monsanto's decision, but I think that their location should be the once exception to the ban. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.506 / Virus Database: 303 - Release 01/08/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 no, dear, that's just hypocrisy, not irony. danielle Sure there's a light at the end of the tunnel...I just hope it isn't an oncoming train! ----Original Message Follows---- " Peter " <metalscarab Re: Transgenic Terrors Mon, 11 Aug 2003 17:41:25 +0100 Hi Danielle > You have gotta fucking be kidding me. Monsanto, the purveyor of > frankenfood, does not have GMOs at its UK office? I guess that has more to > do with the UK's ban than Monsanto's decision, but I think that their > location should be the once exception to the ban. There is no ban on selling or consuming GM foods in the UK... there are certain (gradually eroding) regulations on growing them. It's also somewhat ironic that the government are fully behind GM products.... but have had the sale of GM foods banned from the House of Commons canteen! BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.506 / Virus Database: 303 - Release 01/08/03 _______________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 I must be misinformed then. I thought I heard Britain and the EU were trying to ban the stuff. I have to remember when I hear EU that the UK is not part of it. I've heard of it because Dubya is going nuts that Europeans don't want the poison his corporate buddies are pushing on the world. Danielle Sure there's a light at the end of the tunnel...I just hope it isn't an oncoming train! ----Original Message Follows---- " Heartwork " <Heartwork Re: Transgenic Terrors Mon, 11 Aug 2003 18:48:45 +0100 Danielle We do not have a ban on gm foods being sold. Jo Monsanto, the purveyor of frankenfood, does not have GMOs at its UK office? I guess that has more to do with the UK's ban than Monsanto's decision, but I think that their location should be the once exception to the ban. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.506 / Virus Database: 303 - Release 01/08/03 _______________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 Hi Danielle > I must be misinformed then. I thought I heard Britain and the EU were > trying to ban the stuff. I have to remember when I hear EU that the UK is > not part of it. I've heard of it because Dubya is going nuts that Europeans > don't want the poison his corporate buddies are pushing on the world. There are certainly huge movements within the EU and UK to get the stuff banned - far bigger than in the US as I understand it - but as usual our governments aren't currently listening :-( The current situation in the UK is that not just anyone can grow GM - it is still "on trial", but there are something like 30 sites that are currently growing GM in the UK. What Bush wants is for us to just accept any GM crop he wants to throw at us, and have any farmer who wants to growing the stuff. I guess the same is thing is true in the EU, but I'm not that well up on EU regulations. BTW the UK are a part of the EU, just not a part of the Euro-zone. And it gets all quite complex with which EU rules our government decides to follow and which it doesn't. Generally, anything that would help the ordinary person is ignored! BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.506 / Virus Database: 303 - Release 01/08/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2003 Report Share Posted August 13, 2003 BTW the UK are a part of the EU, just not a part of the Euro-zone. And it gets all quite complex with which EU rules our government decides to follow and which it doesn't. Generally, anything that would help the ordinary person is ignored! BB Peter sounds an awful lot like the bush (mis)administration. Sure there's a light at the end of the tunnel...I just hope it isn't an oncoming train! _______________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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