An Ahimsa ThanXgiving - Fast 2009

[Guest guest]

An Ahimsa ThanXgiving - Fast 2009

 

Namaste

 

Oh, no! Here it comes again!

Those dreaded holidays where Vegans " waffle " between:

 

A) Going to a family get-together and literally suffer through hours of staring

at dead carcasses, watching as others gulp down – not chewing – these abused

souls;

B) Going to a family get-together and endure all those not so casual comments

about anti-Veganism;

C) Not going to these gatherings and trying to arrange a dinner for like-minded

folks;

D) Not going to these gatherings and staying by themselves with their Tofurkeys;

E) Not going to these gatherings and wondering if we hurt the feelings of

unconcerned/uncaring humans;

F) Not going to the dinners, but arriving afterwards for " dessert; "

G) Any other actions you wish to fill-in;

H) Not going to these gatherings and fasting.

 

That's right! I said FASTING.

 

I will be fasting this ThanXgiving again - this has been a tradition since 1998.

I hope some list members will be joining me on this day of torture, death,

greed, selfishness and debauchery by doing the same.

 

My fast is in HONOR/REMEMBERENCE/REVERENCE of the MILLIONS of animals that are

tortured and abused, then slaughtered just for this one (1) day alone in the

U.S.

 

My fasts run from Wednesday until Sunday.

 

Fasting achieves numerous benefits. It is a wonderful way to clean out the body

as far as health is concerned.

 

Spiritually, it also cleanses the soul.

 

Originally, fasting was used to 'get closer to a higher being.'

 

It was also used to rid sick bodies of diseases. This was copied from watching

animals when they are ill.

They either eat greens or nothing at all.

 

Modern times has shown fasting to be a form of protest.

Gandhi also used fasting to bring his point across.

 

My fasting tradition has came about when I could no longer go to family

gatherings for this 'holiday' and sit around a table infested with dead carcass

and by-products.

Even the 'religious' holidays were laughable as we traipsed to our building of

worship only to march back to a home full of death, abuse and chemical

irresponsibility.

 

Previous years had folks pointing out that this is a time for family and friends

getting-together to show their love and thankfulness.

But, who needs a " Hallmark " holiday for this occasion?

We can get together the other 364 days of the year without the excuse of a

'holiday.'

 

I have had numerous opportunities to join like-minded folks for a holiday feast,

but prefer to not look upon this holiday as a festive occasion.

 

Om Shanti

 

Live Simply So That

Others May Simply Live

[Guest guest]

Sounds boring to me. I will have a wonderful day and give thanks to my loved

ones and we will have a 95% vegan dinner, might be a sour cream dip if a guest

brings one, and the meat eaters enjoy it just as much as we do. Being postive

and sharing love is what it's all about.

Different strokes for different folks.

Happy Thanksgiving and eat hearty!

Donna

 

 

, " fidyl " <fidyl wrote:

>

> An Ahimsa ThanXgiving - Fast 2009

>

> Namaste

>

> Oh, no! Here it comes again!

> Those dreaded holidays where Vegans " waffle " between:

>

> A) Going to a family get-together and literally suffer through hours of

staring at dead carcasses, watching as others gulp down – not chewing – these

abused souls;

> B) Going to a family get-together and endure all those not so casual comments

about anti-Veganism;

> C) Not going to these gatherings and trying to arrange a dinner for

like-minded folks;

> D) Not going to these gatherings and staying by themselves with their

Tofurkeys;

> E) Not going to these gatherings and wondering if we hurt the feelings of

unconcerned/uncaring humans;

> F) Not going to the dinners, but arriving afterwards for " dessert; "

> G) Any other actions you wish to fill-in;

> H) Not going to these gatherings and fasting.

>

> That's right! I said FASTING.

>

> I will be fasting this ThanXgiving again - this has been a tradition since

1998.

> I hope some list members will be joining me on this day of torture, death,

greed, selfishness and debauchery by doing the same.

>

> My fast is in HONOR/REMEMBERENCE/REVERENCE of the MILLIONS of animals that are

tortured and abused, then slaughtered just for this one (1) day alone in the

U.S.

>

> My fasts run from Wednesday until Sunday.

>

> Fasting achieves numerous benefits. It is a wonderful way to clean out the

body as far as health is concerned.

>

> Spiritually, it also cleanses the soul.

>

> Originally, fasting was used to 'get closer to a higher being.'

>

> It was also used to rid sick bodies of diseases. This was copied from watching

animals when they are ill.

> They either eat greens or nothing at all.

>

> Modern times has shown fasting to be a form of protest.

> Gandhi also used fasting to bring his point across.

>

> My fasting tradition has came about when I could no longer go to family

gatherings for this 'holiday' and sit around a table infested with dead carcass

and by-products.

> Even the 'religious' holidays were laughable as we traipsed to our building of

worship only to march back to a home full of death, abuse and chemical

irresponsibility.

>

> Previous years had folks pointing out that this is a time for family and

friends getting-together to show their love and thankfulness.

> But, who needs a " Hallmark " holiday for this occasion?

> We can get together the other 364 days of the year without the excuse of a

'holiday.'

>

> I have had numerous opportunities to join like-minded folks for a holiday

feast, but prefer to not look upon this holiday as a festive occasion.

>

> Om Shanti

>

> Live Simply So That

> Others May Simply Live

>

[Guest guest]

I have to comment about the dinner with family because I have been banned

from participating in Thanksgiving dinner with my family by my grandmother

at the age of 14. That year they made a turkey and a ham! To top it off

virtually every dish had some type of animal product in in, and if your

where a child/teen vegan/vegetarian trying to live in a house canablistic

inconsiderate people who had the attitude " I'm the adult and you'll eat what

I provide " , they you can relate to my childhood hell! So at 14 I politely

sit down at the table and I don't say a word, quietly thinking to myself I

can just eat a few carrots and excuse myself up to my room where I had a

stash of food. (Yes it was that bad in my house! I had to hide food in my

room so I'd have something safe to eat!) Then everyone gathers around the

table and out of another fruitless attempt to turn me christian, my

grandmother insisted on me saying grace. I said fine. I thanked the animals

for sacrificing their lives so my family could engorge on their flesh and

asked that their souls find peace. My grandmother kept trying to shut me up,

then she excused me from the table and told me that as long as that was my

attitude that I was not welcome at dinner with the family. I said thank you

and went to my room. My grandmother has never had dinner with me since! My

mother and sister has come over for dinner and they happily ate a gf vegan

meal with me and have even asked for recipes. I always send a plate home

with them for my grandmother, who always tells my mother to call me and

thank me it was delicious!

 

Fasting is good! I fast all the time, mostly due to gastroenteritis, which I

currently have! I don't know if I'll be able to join you on your deathfest

fast, as by then I'm going to need something to nurish my body. I eat so

little normally that it's almost a fast! lol (And I hate holidays!)

 

For those who require medication, have health issues or have glucose issues

(high or low), talk to a nutritionist or other qualified healthcare provider

before starting a fast. You may need to do a juice fast and you may not be

able to go as long, depending on your health situation. As noble as ethical

causes are, your health needs to be priority. You are the most important

person in your life so you need to take care of you first!

[Guest guest]

How old are you now Jae?

 

--- On Wed, 18/11/09, Jae Jones <recyclednew wrote:

 

Jae Jones <recyclednew

Re: An Ahimsa ThanXgiving - Fast 2009

 

Wednesday, 18 November, 2009, 9:01

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have to comment about the dinner with family because I have been banned

 

from participating in Thanksgiving dinner with my family by my grandmother

 

at the age of 14. That year they made a turkey and a ham! To top it off

 

virtually every dish had some type of animal product in in, and if your

 

where a child/teen vegan/vegetarian trying to live in a house canablistic

 

inconsiderate people who had the attitude " I'm the adult and you'll eat what

 

I provide " , they you can relate to my childhood hell! So at 14 I politely

 

sit down at the table and I don't say a word, quietly thinking to myself I

 

can just eat a few carrots and excuse myself up to my room where I had a

 

stash of food. (Yes it was that bad in my house! I had to hide food in my

 

room so I'd have something safe to eat!) Then everyone gathers around the

 

table and out of another fruitless attempt to turn me christian, my

 

grandmother insisted on me saying grace. I said fine. I thanked the animals

 

for sacrificing their lives so my family could engorge on their flesh and

 

asked that their souls find peace. My grandmother kept trying to shut me up,

 

then she excused me from the table and told me that as long as that was my

 

attitude that I was not welcome at dinner with the family. I said thank you

 

and went to my room. My grandmother has never had dinner with me since! My

 

mother and sister has come over for dinner and they happily ate a gf vegan

 

meal with me and have even asked for recipes. I always send a plate home

 

with them for my grandmother, who always tells my mother to call me and

 

thank me it was delicious!

 

 

 

Fasting is good! I fast all the time, mostly due to gastroenteritis, which I

 

currently have! I don't know if I'll be able to join you on your deathfest

 

fast, as by then I'm going to need something to nurish my body. I eat so

 

little normally that it's almost a fast! lol (And I hate holidays!)

 

 

 

For those who require medication, have health issues or have glucose issues

 

(high or low), talk to a nutritionist or other qualified healthcare provider

 

before starting a fast. You may need to do a juice fast and you may not be

 

able to go as long, depending on your health situation. As noble as ethical

 

causes are, your health needs to be priority. You are the most important

 

person in your life so you need to take care of you first!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

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On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Jessie Hume

<vegan_taste_testwrote:

 

>

>

> How old are you now Jae?

>

[Guest guest]

Also I was thinking you might be able to mention that vegetarianism is actually

central to some Christian beliefs, in particular some 7th Day Adventist and

Morman groups practice vegetarianism. Mormans here believe you shouldn't eat

meat unless you are starving.

In fact I cannot imagine Jesus, a person of deep and enduring compassion

supporting modern day factory farming practices, I think he would see them as

gross, cruel, unnecessary and extreme just as we do! Not that I'm a Christian

but my family too are Christian and that's what I say to them. My Dad recently

told me he was quite open to watching Earthlings... he said " send me the

literature " so that was good. He is very staunch and obsessive in his religious

beliefs.

This is amazing progress because when he first found out I was vegan he said

angrily " Oh, so what are ya, some kind of bloody MUSLIM or something? " and then

told me I would go to hell for worshipping Hindu Gods, who are in his view, just

Satan in disguise.

Clearly he's mixing up some strange ideas there but hopefully you feel better

that given enough time people can show a glimmer of softness toward it. He even

came up with  a business idea for us to sell vegan food together!

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 18/11/09, Jessie Hume <vegan_taste_test wrote:

 

Jessie Hume <vegan_taste_test

Re: An Ahimsa ThanXgiving - Fast 2009

 

Wednesday, 18 November, 2009, 9:51

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How old are you now Jae?

 

 

 

--- On Wed, 18/11/09, Jae Jones <recyclednew@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

 

 

Jae Jones <recyclednew@ gmail.com>

 

Re: [Vegan-and-Gluten- Free] An Ahimsa ThanXgiving - Fast 2009

 

Vegan-and-Gluten- Free@ .com

 

Wednesday, 18 November, 2009, 9:01

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have to comment about the dinner with family because I have been banned

 

 

 

from participating in Thanksgiving dinner with my family by my grandmother

 

 

 

at the age of 14. That year they made a turkey and a ham! To top it off

 

 

 

virtually every dish had some type of animal product in in, and if your

 

 

 

where a child/teen vegan/vegetarian trying to live in a house canablistic

 

 

 

inconsiderate people who had the attitude " I'm the adult and you'll eat what

 

 

 

I provide " , they you can relate to my childhood hell! So at 14 I politely

 

 

 

sit down at the table and I don't say a word, quietly thinking to myself I

 

 

 

can just eat a few carrots and excuse myself up to my room where I had a

 

 

 

stash of food. (Yes it was that bad in my house! I had to hide food in my

 

 

 

room so I'd have something safe to eat!) Then everyone gathers around the

 

 

 

table and out of another fruitless attempt to turn me christian, my

 

 

 

grandmother insisted on me saying grace. I said fine. I thanked the animals

 

 

 

for sacrificing their lives so my family could engorge on their flesh and

 

 

 

asked that their souls find peace. My grandmother kept trying to shut me up,

 

 

 

then she excused me from the table and told me that as long as that was my

 

 

 

attitude that I was not welcome at dinner with the family. I said thank you

 

 

 

and went to my room. My grandmother has never had dinner with me since! My

 

 

 

mother and sister has come over for dinner and they happily ate a gf vegan

 

 

 

meal with me and have even asked for recipes. I always send a plate home

 

 

 

with them for my grandmother, who always tells my mother to call me and

 

 

 

thank me it was delicious!

 

 

 

Fasting is good! I fast all the time, mostly due to gastroenteritis, which I

 

 

 

currently have! I don't know if I'll be able to join you on your deathfest

 

 

 

fast, as by then I'm going to need something to nurish my body. I eat so

 

 

 

little normally that it's almost a fast! lol (And I hate holidays!)

 

 

 

For those who require medication, have health issues or have glucose issues

 

 

 

(high or low), talk to a nutritionist or other qualified healthcare provider

 

 

 

before starting a fast. You may need to do a juice fast and you may not be

 

 

 

able to go as long, depending on your health situation. As noble as ethical

 

 

 

causes are, your health needs to be priority. You are the most important

 

 

 

person in your life so you need to take care of you first!

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

And you're still banned! Good lord. 

 

--- On Wed, 18/11/09, Jae Jones <recyclednew wrote:

 

Jae Jones <recyclednew

Re: An Ahimsa ThanXgiving - Fast 2009

 

Wednesday, 18 November, 2009, 9:58

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Jessie Hume

 

<vegan_taste_ test (AT) (DOT) co.uk>wrote:

 

 

 

>

 

>

 

> How old are you now Jae?

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I must respectfully disagree with pretty much everything you've said about

fasting:

 

To function optimally your body needs vitamins, minerals, protein, and a little

fat (as certain vitamins require fat to be absorbed) every day. If you want to

cleanse your body of toxins, the solution is quite simple- don't ingest them!

Instead of fasting, try a 100% organic, vegan diet- avoid hydrogenated oils,

preservatives, and other junk found in many highly processed foods and instead

eat lots of fresh fruits, veggies, and legumes. Doing this (even for a day)

makes me feel great and I don't have to deprive my body of any vital nutrients.

 

" It was also used to rid sick bodies of diseases. This was copied from watching

animals when they are ill. They either eat greens or nothing at all. "

 

The reason non-human animals often little or nothing at all isn't because

fasting rids of the body of diseases, it's an instinct. Since spoiled / tainted

food is a common source of illness, temporarily abstaining from food is the only

way an animal can be sure they're not eating more of what made them sick. This

doesn't mean that fasting fights diseases; certain vitamins and antioxidants

actually do help your immune system. Hence any decent doctor will take a sick

patient to drink plenty of fluids, and eat what you can.

 

I have never seen ANY scientific studies that fasting benefits your health in

any way; yes, it will slightly, temporarily lower some people's blood pressure

but this is because if you're not eating, then you're not eating foods that

raise it. Sorry but " people have been doing a long time " isn't evidence of it's

validity or effectiveness. People practiced alchemy for 2500 years and yet we

still can't turn lead to gold.

 

Gandhi had some success leading a hunger strike as a form of protest against the

British rule of India, but I fail to see what sitting at home starving myself

would accomplish. I don't think it will result in the government finally ending

the war/s or passing a decent healthcare bill or because they won't even notice.

 

Frankly, fasting is just one of those fads that non-vegetarians snicker about

and it serves as fodder for the veg*n stereotype: that we're all kooky hippies

into all the new-age mumbo-jumbo. So without a second thought they conclude

that vegetarianism is just another fad and we shouldn't be taken seriously.

Yes, there will *always* be people who mock what they don't understand, but why

give them an easy excuse?

 

While I can completely understand not wanting to spend Thanksgiving with your

family if they insist on gorging themselves on dead animals, there are more

productive options on your list than self-starvation. If you're so inclined,

you could actually set a great example for your meat eating family members by

sharing some delicious veg*n food so they can see that you aren't you aren't

actually missing out on anything.

 

Lastly, the reason to celebrate these Hallmark holidays is because most of us

work for a living and have precious little time to spend with our loved ones; so

why would you pass up a chance to enjoy time with them? Of course, this is MHO;

by all means fast if it's really what you want to do, but personally I'll be

having a nice, 100% vegan dinner with my girlfriend.

 

, " fidyl " <fidyl wrote:

> An Ahimsa ThanXgiving - Fast 2009

 

> Namaste

>

> Oh, no! Here it comes again!

> Those dreaded holidays where Vegans " waffle " between:

>

> A) Going to a family get-together and literally suffer through hours of

staring at dead carcasses, watching as others gulp down – not chewing – these

abused souls;

B) Going to a family get-together and endure all those not so casual comments

about anti-Veganism;

C) Not going to these gatherings and trying to arrange a dinner for like-minded

folks;

D) Not going to these gatherings and staying by themselves with their

Tofurkeys;

E) Not going to these gatherings and wondering if we hurt the feelings of

unconcerned/uncaring humans;

F) Not going to the dinners, but arriving afterwards for " dessert; "

G) Any other actions you wish to fill-in;

H) Not going to these gatherings and fasting.

 

> That's right! I said FASTING.

[Guest guest]

Well stated, Davey.

Hope you enjoy a lovely Thanksgiving Day!

 

~ PT ~

 

, " DaveyD " <dave4sale wrote:

>

> I must respectfully disagree with pretty much everything you've said about

fasting:

>

> To function optimally your body needs vitamins, minerals, protein, and a

little fat (as certain vitamins require fat to be absorbed) every day. If you

want to cleanse your body of toxins, the solution is quite simple- don't ingest

them! Instead of fasting, try a 100% organic, vegan diet- avoid hydrogenated

oils, preservatives, and other junk found in many highly processed foods and

instead eat lots of fresh fruits, veggies, and legumes. Doing this (even for a

day) makes me feel great and I don't have to deprive my body of any vital

nutrients.

>

> " It was also used to rid sick bodies of diseases. This was copied from

watching animals when they are ill. They either eat greens or nothing at all. "

>

> The reason non-human animals often little or nothing at all isn't because

fasting rids of the body of diseases, it's an instinct. Since spoiled / tainted

food is a common source of illness, temporarily abstaining from food is the only

way an animal can be sure they're not eating more of what made them sick. This

doesn't mean that fasting fights diseases; certain vitamins and antioxidants

actually do help your immune system. Hence any decent doctor will take a sick

patient to drink plenty of fluids, and eat what you can.

>

> I have never seen ANY scientific studies that fasting benefits your health in

any way; yes, it will slightly, temporarily lower some people's blood pressure

but this is because if you're not eating, then you're not eating foods that

raise it. Sorry but " people have been doing a long time " isn't evidence of it's

validity or effectiveness. People practiced alchemy for 2500 years and yet we

still can't turn lead to gold.

>

> Gandhi had some success leading a hunger strike as a form of protest against

the British rule of India, but I fail to see what sitting at home starving

myself would accomplish. I don't think it will result in the government finally

ending the war/s or passing a decent healthcare bill or because they won't even

notice.

>

> Frankly, fasting is just one of those fads that non-vegetarians snicker about

and it serves as fodder for the veg*n stereotype: that we're all kooky hippies

into all the new-age mumbo-jumbo. So without a second thought they conclude

that vegetarianism is just another fad and we shouldn't be taken seriously.

Yes, there will *always* be people who mock what they don't understand, but why

give them an easy excuse?

>

> While I can completely understand not wanting to spend Thanksgiving with your

family if they insist on gorging themselves on dead animals, there are more

productive options on your list than self-starvation. If you're so inclined,

you could actually set a great example for your meat eating family members by

sharing some delicious veg*n food so they can see that you aren't you aren't

actually missing out on anything.

>

> Lastly, the reason to celebrate these Hallmark holidays is because most of us

work for a living and have precious little time to spend with our loved ones; so

why would you pass up a chance to enjoy time with them? Of course, this is MHO;

by all means fast if it's really what you want to do, but personally I'll be

having a nice, 100% vegan dinner with my girlfriend.

>