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Hi All,

 

I'm asking some advice on our newest addition Jersey, our boxer.

We recently adopted Jersey, and have a pug, Mya. Our pug has been vegetarian all

along and now Jersey we've transitioned to veggie as well. When we adopted him,

he was on the thin side, but now looks even thinner. Naturally he burns many

more calories and has much more energy than mya does. I feed them both Natural

Choice Vegetarian Dry food and occationally will make them an egg to mix in.

Yesterday I went to Petco and expressed my concern about his weight and was told

to feed Jersey Meat/Fish Dry food to gain the extra protein and calcium that

Jersey needs. The employee there told me boxers get hip and joint problems once

they get older and that although the veggie food is healthy, the fish/meat food

would be better. I really contemplated what to do and our house has always

stayed meat free. I found a different brand avoderm which makes both veggie

dry and can food and had more to offer than natural choice, so i'm now trying

this.

I'm just really concerned about jerseys weight. He is 66pounds now, but he looks

to thin. I have to help him gain more weight. I don't want to give him the

fish/meat food, but if I have to...???

 

I know I'm turning to the right group for answers. Please help.

Thanks,

Lisa

 

 

 

 

 

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> I'm just really concerned about jerseys weight. He is 66pounds now, but he

looks to thin. I have to help him gain more weight. I don't want to give him the

fish/meat food, but if I have to...???

>  

> I know I'm turning to the right group for answers. Please help.

> Thanks,

> Lisa

>

>

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Hey Lisa:

We are are vegetarian/vegan here in my home....except for my dog. I did a lot

of research before I got her and finally came to the conclusion that dogs need

meat. It's just part of their genetic makeup - they are naturally carnivores

and eat very few if any veggies in the wild. It's okay for you to raise your

dog vegetarian...until it effects their health.

 

Believe me, I totally understand not wanting to have meat in your home, much

less handle it, but if it's for your dog's well-being maybe you should put your

personal feelings aside and do it for your dog.

 

I don't personally touch the meat...my husband is in charge of that...he gives

our raw dog bones, chicken wings with skin, cheap steaks, liver, etc. (sorry

if this makes you sick! ) :)

 

What does your veterinarian say about this?

 

Best of luck!!

 

 

 

 

 

, lisa castillo <lisarcastillo wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>  

> I'm asking some advice on our newest addition Jersey, our boxer.

> We recently adopted Jersey, and have a pug, Mya. Our pug has been vegetarian

all along and now Jersey we've transitioned to veggie as well. When we adopted

him, he was on the thin side, but now looks even thinner. Naturally he burns

many more calories and has much more energy than mya does. I feed them both

Natural Choice Vegetarian Dry food and occationally will make them an egg to mix

in.

> Yesterday I went to Petco and expressed my concern about his weight and

was told to feed Jersey Meat/Fish Dry food to gain the extra protein and calcium

that Jersey needs. The employee there told me boxers get hip and joint problems

once they get older and that although the veggie food is healthy, the fish/meat

food would be better. I really contemplated what to do and our house has always

stayed meat free. I found a different brand avoderm which makes both veggie

dry and can food and had more to offer than natural choice, so i'm now trying

this.

> I'm just really concerned about jerseys weight. He is 66pounds now, but he

looks to thin. I have to help him gain more weight. I don't want to give him the

fish/meat food, but if I have to...???

>  

> I know I'm turning to the right group for answers. Please help.

> Thanks,

> Lisa

>

>

>

>

>

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I have raised 5 dogs. We are vegan, but not the dogs. I give them

dry dog food (not vegetarian). No bones or meat or canned food. They

have

all been very healthy and lived a long life (2 lived 16-17 years, and

3 are alive right now).

 

Also, dogs should be thin. Any fat showing on their body means they

have fat

on their internal organs. Not good. It's tempting to overfeed our

animals

but it is not healthy, just like it's not healthy for us!

 

My daughter has taken care of the dog next door. They give the dog

hot dogs and hamburger meat every day. She just had surgery for cancer.

How they can give her these things is beyond me!

 

Tracy

 

 

 

On May 18, 2009, at 5:26 PM, Denise wrote:

 

>

>

> Hey Lisa:

> We are are vegetarian/vegan here in my home....except for my dog. I

> did a lot of research before I got her and finally came to the

> conclusion that dogs need meat. It's just part of their genetic

> makeup - they are naturally carnivores and eat very few if any

> veggies in the wild. It's okay for you to raise your dog

> vegetarian...until it effects their health.

>

> Believe me, I totally understand not wanting to have meat in your

> home, much less handle it, but if it's for your dog's well-being

> maybe you should put your personal feelings aside and do it for

> your dog.

>

> I don't personally touch the meat...my husband is in charge of

> that...he gives our raw dog bones, chicken wings with skin, cheap

> steaks, liver, etc. (sorry if this makes you sick! ) :)

>

> What does your veterinarian say about this?

>

> Best of luck!!

>

> , lisa castillo

> <lisarcastillo wrote:

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > I'm asking some advice on our newest addition Jersey, our boxer.

> > We recently adopted Jersey, and have a pug, Mya. Our pug has been

> vegetarian all along and now Jersey we've transitioned to veggie as

> well. When we adopted him, he was on the thin side, but now looks

> even thinner. Naturally he burns many more calories and has much

> more energy than mya does. I feed them both Natural Choice

> Vegetarian Dry food and occationally will make them an egg to mix in.

> > Yesterday I went to Petco and expressed my concern about his

> weight and was told to feed Jersey Meat/Fish Dry food to gain the

> extra protein and calcium that Jersey needs. The employee there

> told me boxers get hip and joint problems once they get older and

> that although the veggie food is healthy, the fish/meat food would

> be better. I really contemplated what to do and our house has

> always stayed meat free. I found a different brand avoderm which

> makes both veggie dry and can food and had more to offer than

> natural choice, so i'm now trying this.

> > I'm just really concerned about jerseys weight. He is 66pounds

> now, but he looks to thin. I have to help him gain more weight. I

> don't want to give him the fish/meat food, but if I have to...???

> >

> > I know I'm turning to the right group for answers. Please help.

> > Thanks,

> > Lisa

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi Lisa,

We use Vegepet supplements (www.vegepet.com) for our cat, and did with our

previous cat, too. Their research found (they’re biologists/scientists who

are vegetarians/vegans, too) that it’s quite easy to have a healthy dog on a

vegetarian diet, even one very similar to what we eat. You might want to

contact the owner, James Peden, via the contact info on the website – he has

been infinitely helpful to us through the years and has even done further

research for us a couple times to help us address normal cat stuff holistically

and nutritionally. Wonderful man!!! Tell him hi for me if you talk to him! ☺

 

And as far as the advice at Petco -- no offense meant to any of the wonderful

people at Petco or any other pet store, but I'd consult a vet or an expert in

the field of animal nutrition before I'd go solely on that advice.

 

Best of luck!

Lorraine

 

 

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Sunday, May 17, 2009 6:42 PM

 

Vegetarian Pets

 

 

 

 

Hi All,

 

I'm asking some advice on our newest addition Jersey, our boxer.

We recently adopted Jersey, and have a pug, Mya. Our pug has been vegetarian all

along and now Jersey we've transitioned to veggie as well. When we adopted him,

he was on the thin side, but now looks even thinner. Naturally he burns many

more calories and has much more energy than mya does. I feed them both Natural

Choice Vegetarian Dry food and occationally will make them an egg to mix in.

Yesterday I went to Petco and expressed my concern about his weight and was told

to feed Jersey Meat/Fish Dry food to gain the extra protein and calcium that

Jersey needs. The employee there told me boxers get hip and joint problems once

they get older and that although the veggie food is healthy, the fish/meat food

would be better. I really contemplated what to do and our house has always

stayed meat free. I found a different brand avoderm which makes both veggie dry

and can food and had more to offer than natural choice, so i'm now trying this.

I'm just really concerned about jerseys weight. He is 66pounds now, but he looks

to thin. I have to help him gain more weight. I don't want to give him the

fish/meat food, but if I have to...???

 

I know I'm turning to the right group for answers. Please help.

Thanks,

Lisa

 

 

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It sounds like you may just not have the right food for this pup. Try some other

veggie foods to see how that works. Also supplement his diet. It sounds like

you're ok with dairy and eggs so add full fat yogurt, avocados, flax or olive

oil, etc. The oil really helps with larger breeds prone to hip problems.

 

I understand people thinking that dogs need meat but when you are feeding a dog

or cat a diet of commercial pet foods it really doesn't matter. They are all

packed with grains and supplements anyway. As long as your food has all the

basics, you can add to it to make it what Jersey's body needs. Just like all

humans need different foods to stay healthy, so do dogs. (And just to remark on

someone else's comment... dogs are not natural carnivores. They are omnivores.

Cats are the true carnivores.)

 

I also strongly recommend reading " Obligate Carnivore " by Jed Gillen. It really

explains dog and cat dietary needs and why using commercial pet foods is so

different than feeding a true natural diet. You'll feel much better equipped to

keep Jersey healthy on a vegetarian diet. Also go to www.vegancats.com for some

other veg pet foods. Lots of options including a mix to make your own food.

 

(I've had 2 very healthy vegan cats for 7 years and highly recommend it.)

 

 

 

, lisa castillo <lisarcastillo wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>  

> I'm asking some advice on our newest addition Jersey, our boxer.

> We recently adopted Jersey, and have a pug, Mya. Our pug has been vegetarian

all along and now Jersey we've transitioned to veggie as well. When we adopted

him, he was on the thin side, but now looks even thinner. Naturally he burns

many more calories and has much more energy than mya does. I feed them both

Natural Choice Vegetarian Dry food and occationally will make them an egg to mix

in.

> Yesterday I went to Petco and expressed my concern about his weight and

was told to feed Jersey Meat/Fish Dry food to gain the extra protein and calcium

that Jersey needs. The employee there told me boxers get hip and joint problems

once they get older and that although the veggie food is healthy, the fish/meat

food would be better. I really contemplated what to do and our house has always

stayed meat free. I found a different brand avoderm which makes both veggie

dry and can food and had more to offer than natural choice, so i'm now trying

this.

> I'm just really concerned about jerseys weight. He is 66pounds now, but he

looks to thin. I have to help him gain more weight. I don't want to give him the

fish/meat food, but if I have to...???

>  

> I know I'm turning to the right group for answers. Please help.

> Thanks,

> Lisa

>

>

>

>

>

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I fed my dog Nature's Recipe Vegetarian formula from the time we adopted him and

he did great.  We did supplement with vegan things we were eating and cheese.

My vet approved completely of his diet and he maintained his weight perfectly.

Dogs do not need meat to be healthy.

 

Jill

 

--- On Tue, 5/19/09, food4u1575 <dana.sommers wrote:

 

 

food4u1575 <dana.sommers

Re: Vegetarian Pets

 

Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 10:55 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It sounds like you may just not have the right food for this pup. Try some other

veggie foods to see how that works. Also supplement his diet. It sounds like

you're ok with dairy and eggs so add full fat yogurt, avocados, flax or olive

oil, etc. The oil really helps with larger breeds prone to hip problems.

 

I understand people thinking that dogs need meat but when you are feeding a dog

or cat a diet of commercial pet foods it really doesn't matter. They are all

packed with grains and supplements anyway. As long as your food has all the

basics, you can add to it to make it what Jersey's body needs. Just like all

humans need different foods to stay healthy, so do dogs. (And just to remark on

someone else's comment... dogs are not natural carnivores. They are omnivores.

Cats are the true carnivores.)

 

I also strongly recommend reading " Obligate Carnivore " by Jed Gillen. It really

explains dog and cat dietary needs and why using commercial pet foods is so

different than feeding a true natural diet. You'll feel much better equipped to

keep Jersey healthy on a vegetarian diet. Also go to www.vegancats. com for some

other veg pet foods. Lots of options including a mix to make your own food.

 

(I've had 2 very healthy vegan cats for 7 years and highly recommend it.)

 

@gro ups.com, lisa castillo <lisarcastillo@ ...> wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>  

> I'm asking some advice on our newest addition Jersey, our boxer.

> We recently adopted Jersey, and have a pug, Mya. Our pug has been vegetarian

all along and now Jersey we've transitioned to veggie as well. When we adopted

him, he was on the thin side, but now looks even thinner. Naturally he burns

many more calories and has much more energy than mya does. I feed them both

Natural Choice Vegetarian Dry food and occationally will make them an egg to mix

in.

> Yesterday I went to Petco and expressed my concern about his weight and

was told to feed Jersey Meat/Fish Dry food to gain the extra protein and calcium

that Jersey needs. The employee there told me boxers get hip and joint problems

once they get older and that although the veggie food is healthy, the fish/meat

food would be better. I really contemplated what to do and our house has always

stayed meat free. I found a different brand avoderm which makes both veggie

dry and can food and had more to offer than natural choice, so i'm now trying

this.

> I'm just really concerned about jerseys weight. He is 66pounds now, but he

looks to thin. I have to help him gain more weight. I don't want to give him the

fish/meat food, but if I have to...???

>  

> I know I'm turning to the right group for answers. Please help.

> Thanks,

> Lisa

>

>

>

>

>

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