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> Sounds like my sister's reasoning. When I told her we were becoming

vegetarians she said that I was still causing undue harm to animals because I

wasn't eating the meat, so it was going to go to waste. I tried arguing with

her, but she is one of the people that you can't tell anything to because she

comes up with ridiculous reasons for whatever she is saying. Then, she stays mad

at you for months because you fought with her.

>

>

>

>

> Hi Jacqueline,

> Im wondering why you are opposed to dumpstered meat? I am i guess, more

> freegan...if the dairy is going to be wasted, than there is no sense in not

> eating it. I have friends that actively dumpster and sometimes deliver me

> goodies that i wouldn't normally be able to eat such as cheese. I have no

> ethical problems eating dumpstered meat i just can't do it!

> There is nothing that makes me sadder than seeing meat being wasted. Its

> like an extra bit of torture for the animal. I believe that the thing about

> veganism which is important is not increasing the demand for animal

> products. Only when there is no demand than will the abuse stop. I also

> think dumpstered meat it an excellent source of pet food.

> Ideally i wish there was no animal products in the dumpster, but there is so

> instead of it going to landfill and making more methane it should be used.

> This opinion of course is an ethical one and not based on individual health.

> Is your aversion to dumpstered meat a health issue? Im really interested in

> discussing this with everyone. What are everyones opinions of dumpstered

> animal products on here?

> Just throwing it out there!

> Ange

>

>

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I am totally in favor of dumpstering and I admire the freegan lifestyle. I

don't see much of a problem with eating dumpstered meat from an ethical

standpoint. However, there is still the health issue, which is compounded

by contamination and putrefaction. And I do consider animal products to be,

essentially, addictive, because I don't believe it's natural for us to eat

them, and especially with cheese's concentrated casomorphins, I think it's

best to stay away. Personally, I would not eat meat, cheese or eggs that I

found in a dumpster, but I probably wouldn't object too strongly to prepared

foods that have animal products as additives. If I found a big box of

Morningstar products and I didn't have anything else to eat, I would

probably take 'em.

 

Freeganism is all about practicality. If you are wanting to avoid

contributing to animal suffering, but you aren't concerned about health

issues, then I have a hard time seeing what's immoral about eating meat

that's been thrown away. For this reason I will sometimes use wool yarn

that has been unraveled from secondhand sweaters, and if I can't find

anything else I will use secondhand leather boots - I'm poor and I don't

think I should be expected to lay down $120 on firsthand hemp boots from

some online retailer - as much as I'd like to, I'm more practical than that,

and also I see a lot of merit in saving things from landfills. If I'm not

contributing to the industry, I feel that I'm making an acceptable

decision. In person, with the vegan police (whether those people are vegan

or not), I sometimes have to explain my choice to use secondhand non-food

animal products, and I always explain things this way - that I'm as

concerned about the environment as I am about animals, and my primary

concern is giving money to industries that exploit either one.

 

I don't agree with your sister's commentary on waste, that you should eat

firsthand meat to save it from being wasted. The most ethical and effective

way to help animals and the environment is to eliminate firsthand animal

products of all sorts from your diet and lifestyle. As for secondhand, I

really can't say that I care very much what people choose to do.

 

Chandelle

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM, itshotinjt04 <itshotinjt04wrote:

 

>

>

>

> > Sounds like my sister's reasoning. When I told her we were becoming

> vegetarians she said that I was still causing undue harm to animals because

> I wasn't eating the meat, so it was going to go to waste. I tried arguing

> with her, but she is one of the people that you can't tell anything to

> because she comes up with ridiculous reasons for whatever she is saying.

> Then, she stays mad at you for months because you fought with her.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Jacqueline,

> > Im wondering why you are opposed to dumpstered meat? I am i guess, more

> > freegan...if the dairy is going to be wasted, than there is no sense in

> not

> > eating it. I have friends that actively dumpster and sometimes deliver me

> > goodies that i wouldn't normally be able to eat such as cheese. I have no

> > ethical problems eating dumpstered meat i just can't do it!

> > There is nothing that makes me sadder than seeing meat being wasted. Its

> > like an extra bit of torture for the animal. I believe that the thing

> about

> > veganism which is important is not increasing the demand for animal

> > products. Only when there is no demand than will the abuse stop. I also

> > think dumpstered meat it an excellent source of pet food.

> > Ideally i wish there was no animal products in the dumpster, but there is

> so

> > instead of it going to landfill and making more methane it should be

> used.

> > This opinion of course is an ethical one and not based on individual

> health.

> > Is your aversion to dumpstered meat a health issue? Im really interested

> in

> > discussing this with everyone. What are everyones opinions of dumpstered

> > animal products on here?

> > Just throwing it out there!

> > Ange

> >

> >

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Personally, I don't eat meat because it disgusts me thinking that it was once a

cute little animal and now I'm eating its flesh.  I don't think it's okay to eat

animals...even if it was given to me for free I wouldn't want to eat it and it

wouldn't be any more appealing to me.  I don't really understand why someone

would think it's okay to eat the animal flesh just because it's free and is

going to the trash anyways.  You are still supporting the fact that it's okay to

eat animals. 

 

I mean if you like to eat meat and are okay with it being an animal then go

ahead and eat it from the dumpster but I don't think you are really making some

kind of statement or impact by eating meat from a dumpster instead of purchasing

it.

 

I don't like that " Freegan " term either.

 

Sorry, I hope this doesn't sound stern!  :)

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 6/23/09, itshotinjt04 <itshotinjt04 wrote:

 

itshotinjt04 <itshotinjt04

dumpstered meat

 

Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:51 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

> Sounds like my sister's reasoning. When I told her we were becoming

vegetarians she said that I was still causing undue harm to animals because I

wasn't eating the meat, so it was going to go to waste. I tried arguing with

her, but she is one of the people that you can't tell anything to because she

comes up with ridiculous reasons for whatever she is saying. Then, she stays mad

at you for months because you fought with her.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Hi Jacqueline,

 

> Im wondering why you are opposed to dumpstered meat? I am i guess, more

 

> freegan...if the dairy is going to be wasted, than there is no sense in not

 

> eating it. I have friends that actively dumpster and sometimes deliver me

 

> goodies that i wouldn't normally be able to eat such as cheese. I have no

 

> ethical problems eating dumpstered meat i just can't do it!

 

> There is nothing that makes me sadder than seeing meat being wasted. Its

 

> like an extra bit of torture for the animal. I believe that the thing about

 

> veganism which is important is not increasing the demand for animal

 

> products. Only when there is no demand than will the abuse stop. I also

 

> think dumpstered meat it an excellent source of pet food.

 

> Ideally i wish there was no animal products in the dumpster, but there is so

 

> instead of it going to landfill and making more methane it should be used.

 

> This opinion of course is an ethical one and not based on individual health.

 

> Is your aversion to dumpstered meat a health issue? Im really interested in

 

> discussing this with everyone. What are everyones opinions of dumpstered

 

> animal products on here?

 

> Just throwing it out there!

 

> Ange

 

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Okay, after thinking about it, I do see how you would make an impact on the

supply/demand of meat.  I guess this would be more of a moral issue - whether or

not you think its okay to eat animal flesh.

 

:)

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Denise Turner <deniseamay wrote:

 

Denise Turner <deniseamay

Re: dumpstered meat

 

Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 2:48 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally, I don't eat meat because it disgusts me thinking that it was

once a cute little animal and now I'm eating its flesh.  I don't think it's okay

to eat animals...even if it was given to me for free I wouldn't want to eat it

and it wouldn't be any more appealing to me.  I don't really understand why

someone would think it's okay to eat the animal flesh just because it's free and

is going to the trash anyways.  You are still supporting the fact that it's okay

to eat animals. 

 

 

 

I mean if you like to eat meat and are okay with it being an animal then go

ahead and eat it from the dumpster but I don't think you are really making some

kind of statement or impact by eating meat from a dumpster instead of purchasing

it.

 

 

 

I don't like that " Freegan " term either.

 

 

 

Sorry, I hope this doesn't sound stern!  :)

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 6/23/09, itshotinjt04 <itshotinjt04@ > wrote:

 

 

 

itshotinjt04 <itshotinjt04@ >

 

dumpstered meat

 

@gro ups.com

 

Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:51 PM

 

 

 

> Sounds like my sister's reasoning. When I told her we were becoming

vegetarians she said that I was still causing undue harm to animals because I

wasn't eating the meat, so it was going to go to waste. I tried arguing with

her, but she is one of the people that you can't tell anything to because she

comes up with ridiculous reasons for whatever she is saying. Then, she stays mad

at you for months because you fought with her.

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

> Hi Jacqueline,

 

 

 

> Im wondering why you are opposed to dumpstered meat? I am i guess, more

 

 

 

> freegan...if the dairy is going to be wasted, than there is no sense in not

 

 

 

> eating it. I have friends that actively dumpster and sometimes deliver me

 

 

 

> goodies that i wouldn't normally be able to eat such as cheese. I have no

 

 

 

> ethical problems eating dumpstered meat i just can't do it!

 

 

 

> There is nothing that makes me sadder than seeing meat being wasted. Its

 

 

 

> like an extra bit of torture for the animal. I believe that the thing about

 

 

 

> veganism which is important is not increasing the demand for animal

 

 

 

> products. Only when there is no demand than will the abuse stop. I also

 

 

 

> think dumpstered meat it an excellent source of pet food.

 

 

 

> Ideally i wish there was no animal products in the dumpster, but there is so

 

 

 

> instead of it going to landfill and making more methane it should be used.

 

 

 

> This opinion of course is an ethical one and not based on individual health.

 

 

 

> Is your aversion to dumpstered meat a health issue? Im really interested in

 

 

 

> discussing this with everyone. What are everyones opinions of dumpstered

 

 

 

> animal products on here?

 

 

 

> Just throwing it out there!

 

 

 

> Ange

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dumpstered food is not making any statement. It simply a practical way to

get food and other things that has less impact on the planet than any other

way to get things. I think anyone that cares about animals needs to also

care about the impact they are making on their habitat. Any new product, no

matter what has green house gas emissions in its process, as well as massive

water usage and land degradation. Climate change is going to wipe out a

massive amount of animals so there is no such thing as a vegan who doesn't

care about consumption and environmental impact, because if you don't then

even though your not eating animals your not doing all you can to avoid

their suffering.

I also buy second hand wool clothing. I generally buy second hand clothing

so no matter which material the items are made from, they are always

creating a lesser impact than anything new. If people say that an item is

nice, than i always say that its from an op shop and its lovely when people

say wow im going to have a look around op shops more often!

I think people missed my point about dumpstered food. I never meant to imply

that dumpstering was a big statement and saving animals. Its not. I don't

even think veganism is saving animals. The only way animals will be saved is

if our society stops abusing animals, but considering we still abuse our own

species than i cannot see things changing that dramatically any time soon. I

think being vegan, or freegan or vego is just the way that we can do

something that will lessen our individual impact on animals and the

environment. I think education and awareness building, campaigning and

activism is the thing that will create a bigger impact than just our

lifestyle choices. I love that the girl that takes my thai food order has

asked me why i don't eat dairy and meat. I love being able to have that

conversation with people, and i love even more explaining why i am wearing a

piece of clothing that is made from wool and that allows me to further

explain the impacts of new products.

As i said in another e-mail, i have made a choice to purchase new vegan

shoes based on my growing uncomfortable feelings about leather in any form.

But i don't think there is anything wrong with second hand leather at all.

In fact its a lesser impact than my vegan wares shoes.

Anyway thats more of my 2 cents. It is great to see everyones opinions. I am

genuinely surprised by peoples reactions.

Ange

 

 

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Jacqueline Bodnar

<jbwrote:

 

>

>

>

> Denise wrote: " You are still supporting the fact that it's okay to eat

> animals. "

>

> Absolutely! I agree and that is the moral problem with eating dumpstered

> meat.

>

> You are still seeing animals as commodities for what they can do for

> humans. It is disrespectful, inhumane and perpetuates that animals are

> food for people (whether free, dumpstered, fresh, etc.).

>

> Jacqueline

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

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" One person flying in an airplane for one hour is responsible for the same

greenhouse gas emissions as a typical Bangladeshi in a whole year. " -

Beatrice Schell, European Federation for Transport and Environment, November

2001.

 

* The global livestock industry is responsible for more greenhouse gas

emissions than all the planes, trains and automobiles in the world combined

 

 

 

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Ange, I'm definitely sympathetic to your argument. And I agree, freeganism

is simply about opting out of the system altogether. Secondhand anything is

the way to go.

 

Chandelle

 

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Angela Nagle <angel.nail wrote:

 

>

>

> Dumpstered food is not making any statement. It simply a practical way to

> get food and other things that has less impact on the planet than any other

> way to get things. I think anyone that cares about animals needs to also

> care about the impact they are making on their habitat. Any new product, no

> matter what has green house gas emissions in its process, as well as

> massive

> water usage and land degradation. Climate change is going to wipe out a

> massive amount of animals so there is no such thing as a vegan who doesn't

> care about consumption and environmental impact, because if you don't then

> even though your not eating animals your not doing all you can to avoid

> their suffering.

> I also buy second hand wool clothing. I generally buy second hand clothing

> so no matter which material the items are made from, they are always

> creating a lesser impact than anything new. If people say that an item is

> nice, than i always say that its from an op shop and its lovely when people

> say wow im going to have a look around op shops more often!

> I think people missed my point about dumpstered food. I never meant to

> imply

> that dumpstering was a big statement and saving animals. Its not. I don't

> even think veganism is saving animals. The only way animals will be saved

> is

> if our society stops abusing animals, but considering we still abuse our

> own

> species than i cannot see things changing that dramatically any time soon.

> I

> think being vegan, or freegan or vego is just the way that we can do

> something that will lessen our individual impact on animals and the

> environment. I think education and awareness building, campaigning and

> activism is the thing that will create a bigger impact than just our

> lifestyle choices. I love that the girl that takes my thai food order has

> asked me why i don't eat dairy and meat. I love being able to have that

> conversation with people, and i love even more explaining why i am wearing

> a

> piece of clothing that is made from wool and that allows me to further

> explain the impacts of new products.

> As i said in another e-mail, i have made a choice to purchase new vegan

> shoes based on my growing uncomfortable feelings about leather in any form.

> But i don't think there is anything wrong with second hand leather at all.

> In fact its a lesser impact than my vegan wares shoes.

> Anyway thats more of my 2 cents. It is great to see everyones opinions. I

> am

> genuinely surprised by peoples reactions.

> Ange

>

> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Jacqueline Bodnar

> <jb <jb%40jacquelinebodnar.com>>wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Denise wrote: " You are still supporting the fact that it's okay to eat

> > animals. "

> >

> > Absolutely! I agree and that is the moral problem with eating dumpstered

> > meat.

> >

> > You are still seeing animals as commodities for what they can do for

> > humans. It is disrespectful, inhumane and perpetuates that animals are

> > food for people (whether free, dumpstered, fresh, etc.).

> >

> > Jacqueline

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> --

> " One person flying in an airplane for one hour is responsible for the same

> greenhouse gas emissions as a typical Bangladeshi in a whole year. " -

> Beatrice Schell, European Federation for Transport and Environment,

> November

> 2001.

>

> * The global livestock industry is responsible for more greenhouse gas

> emissions than all the planes, trains and automobiles in the world combined

>

>

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I still stick with the point that we would not drag a human body out of the

garbage to eat it...because we do not think of them as commodities/food.  I also

don't think most people would cut the hair off of a dead person to make a

perfectly nice wig for someone who needs it.  It just isn't respectful of the

animals who were killed.  There are plenty of other products that do not treat

animals as things.  I also shop second hand.  I love rummage sales, but if

someone is selling a fur or leather coat I would never think to buy it.

 

--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Angela Nagle <angel.nail wrote:

 

 

Angela Nagle <angel.nail

Re: dumpstered meat

 

Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 11:31 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dumpstered food is not making any statement. It simply a practical way to

get food and other things that has less impact on the planet than any other

way to get things. I think anyone that cares about animals needs to also

care about the impact they are making on their habitat. Any new product, no

matter what has green house gas emissions in its process, as well as massive

water usage and land degradation. Climate change is going to wipe out a

massive amount of animals so there is no such thing as a vegan who doesn't

care about consumption and environmental impact, because if you don't then

even though your not eating animals your not doing all you can to avoid

their suffering.

I also buy second hand wool clothing. I generally buy second hand clothing

so no matter which material the items are made from, they are always

creating a lesser impact than anything new. If people say that an item is

nice, than i always say that its from an op shop and its lovely when people

say wow im going to have a look around op shops more often!

I think people missed my point about dumpstered food. I never meant to imply

that dumpstering was a big statement and saving animals. Its not. I don't

even think veganism is saving animals. The only way animals will be saved is

if our society stops abusing animals, but considering we still abuse our own

species than i cannot see things changing that dramatically any time soon. I

think being vegan, or freegan or vego is just the way that we can do

something that will lessen our individual impact on animals and the

environment. I think education and awareness building, campaigning and

activism is the thing that will create a bigger impact than just our

lifestyle choices. I love that the girl that takes my thai food order has

asked me why i don't eat dairy and meat. I love being able to have that

conversation with people, and i love even more explaining why i am wearing a

piece of clothing that is made from wool and that allows me to further

explain the impacts of new products.

As i said in another e-mail, i have made a choice to purchase new vegan

shoes based on my growing uncomfortable feelings about leather in any form.

But i don't think there is anything wrong with second hand leather at all.

In fact its a lesser impact than my vegan wares shoes.

Anyway thats more of my 2 cents. It is great to see everyones opinions. I am

genuinely surprised by peoples reactions.

Ange

 

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Jacqueline Bodnar

<jb@jacquelinebodnar .com>wrote:

 

>

>

>

> Denise wrote: " You are still supporting the fact that it's okay to eat

> animals. "

>

> Absolutely! I agree and that is the moral problem with eating dumpstered

> meat.

>

> You are still seeing animals as commodities for what they can do for

> humans. It is disrespectful, inhumane and perpetuates that animals are

> food for people (whether free, dumpstered, fresh, etc.).

>

> Jacqueline

>

>

>

>

 

--

" One person flying in an airplane for one hour is responsible for the same

greenhouse gas emissions as a typical Bangladeshi in a whole year. " -

Beatrice Schell, European Federation for Transport and Environment, November

2001.

 

* The global livestock industry is responsible for more greenhouse gas

emissions than all the planes, trains and automobiles in the world combined

 

 

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*Hi folks, *

 

*Does anyone else receive e-mails from Grist? I just got the latest Ask

Umbra and the question is right on topic with this current discussion. Read

it all at *

 

*http://www.grist.org/article/2009-06-24-ask-umbra-meating-needs*

 

*Here's the questions: *

 

*Hi Umbra,*

 

*I was shopping in the commissary (our lovely military grocery store) this

afternoon when I noticed the “reduced for quick sale†meat section. [As a

former vegetarian], I literally feel the weight of the world when I buy meat

.... but when I saw this meat, it occurred to me that it was going to be

thrown away within the next day or two if someone did not purchase it. To

me, this is a worse crime: To have had that animal suffer a cruel factory

farm existence only to have its meat completely wasted.

 

What do you think? I ended up buying some pork chops. Am I rationalizing my

purchase? Am I fueling the factory farm that raised that pig? Or were they

already paid when the commissary bought the meat and I just ensured the meat

didn’t go to waste? What’s the best choice, to waste it or use it?*

 

 

 

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I am completely grossed out by the concept of eating dumpstered food. This is a

deadly bacterial infection waiting to happen.

 

 

 

 

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Angela Nagle <angel.nail

 

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 6:31:57 PM

Re: dumpstered meat

 

 

 

 

 

Dumpstered food is not making any statement. It simply a practical way to

get food and other things that has less impact on the planet than any other

way to get things. I think anyone that cares about animals needs to also

care about the impact they are making on their habitat. Any new product, no

matter what has green house gas emissions in its process, as well as massive

water usage and land degradation. Climate change is going to wipe out a

massive amount of animals so there is no such thing as a vegan who doesn't

care about consumption and environmental impact, because if you don't then

even though your not eating animals your not doing all you can to avoid

their suffering.

I also buy second hand wool clothing. I generally buy second hand clothing

so no matter which material the items are made from, they are always

creating a lesser impact than anything new. If people say that an item is

nice, than i always say that its from an op shop and its lovely when people

say wow im going to have a look around op shops more often!

I think people missed my point about dumpstered food. I never meant to imply

that dumpstering was a big statement and saving animals. Its not. I don't

even think veganism is saving animals. The only way animals will be saved is

if our society stops abusing animals, but considering we still abuse our own

species than i cannot see things changing that dramatically any time soon. I

think being vegan, or freegan or vego is just the way that we can do

something that will lessen our individual impact on animals and the

environment. I think education and awareness building, campaigning and

activism is the thing that will create a bigger impact than just our

lifestyle choices. I love that the girl that takes my thai food order has

asked me why i don't eat dairy and meat. I love being able to have that

conversation with people, and i love even more explaining why i am wearing a

piece of clothing that is made from wool and that allows me to further

explain the impacts of new products.

As i said in another e-mail, i have made a choice to purchase new vegan

shoes based on my growing uncomfortable feelings about leather in any form.

But i don't think there is anything wrong with second hand leather at all.

In fact its a lesser impact than my vegan wares shoes.

Anyway thats more of my 2 cents. It is great to see everyones opinions. I am

genuinely surprised by peoples reactions.

Ange

 

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Jacqueline Bodnar

<jb@jacquelinebodnar .com>wrote:

 

>

>

>

> Denise wrote: " You are still supporting the fact that it's okay to eat

> animals. "

>

> Absolutely! I agree and that is the moral problem with eating dumpstered

> meat.

>

> You are still seeing animals as commodities for what they can do for

> humans. It is disrespectful, inhumane and perpetuates that animals are

> food for people (whether free, dumpstered, fresh, etc.).

>

> Jacqueline

>

>

>

>

 

--

" One person flying in an airplane for one hour is responsible for the same

greenhouse gas emissions as a typical Bangladeshi in a whole year. " -

Beatrice Schell, European Federation for Transport and Environment, November

2001.

 

* The global livestock industry is responsible for more greenhouse gas

emissions than all the planes, trains and automobiles in the world combined

 

 

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I think people are confusing the ethics of veg*nism with the ethics of

environmentalism. They are not the same thing. " Secondhand anything is better

than anything new " (paraphrase)...that's based on an individual's ethics. My

ethics are different. My vegan ethics trump my environmentalist ethics.

Fortunately being a vegan has a huge environmental benefit. It sounds like for

others, their environmentalist ethics trump their vegan ethics. If this means

they engage in the eating of dumpster meat, they aren't vegans. I've never seen

a definition of vegan that says " one who doesn't eat meat or animal

products...unless they're found free in a dumpster. " Words do have specific

definitions, even if people choose not to use them correctly. That's why

inevitably my " vegetarian " (pre-vegan days) meal at most dinner parties I went

to were chicken... " but my other friend is a vegetarian and eats chicken. " Um,

no. I had someone tell me she was a vegetarian and then ordered a BLT! If

someone can add chicken to the definition, why not pork?

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>> It is great to see everyones opinions. I am genuinely surprised by peoples

reactions.

 

 

Ange,

 

These threads take on a mind of their own, and that's part of the fun of

exploration!

 

When I read your original post I was thinking you were making the point that if

it's just about the ethics of harming animals , why not dumpster, eat road kill,

etc.? (Background: at the time, we were debating whether it would be helpful to

educate our kids about the health, hunger, and environmental consequences of

exploiting animals, or restrict the conversation to animal ethics only.)

 

For health reasons, I wouldn't eat any animal products because of the harm to my

health from animal protein, saturated fat, cholesterol, etc., not to mention

e-coli, mad cow, salmonella, antibiotics, puss, hormones, mercury, concentrated

pesticides/herbicides/PCBs, etc. So dumpstering would not be an option for me.

 

But, hypothetically, if I were to set all that aside and think exclusively about

animal ethics, I can see both the pros and cons, as discussed already in this

thread. In some ways, it seems better for animals, and in some ways worse.

Individuals who are compassionate about animals may come to different

judgements.

 

Besides your point about the condition of the environment on animal (including

human!) welfare/survival, I would also add that most plant-based sources of food

cause some harm to animals in their growing and harvesting. Typically, we

vegans accept this because the harm is much, much less than that occuring with

producing animal-based sources of food. But if a person were to consume (in the

manner you describe, with clear signals and explanations) dumpster animal

products, that would avoid the harm inadvertently and indirectly caused eating

plant-based foods. Animal lives would be saved; not " farm animals " , but the

animals (rabbits, moles, birds, etc.) in the fields where plants are grown and

harvested.

 

So, it's a fair question you posed. And if a person believes eating animal

products to be relatively healthy (or they are willing to sacrifice their health

for a greater good), and they have a strong stomach, I can see how they might

conclude that eating animal-based foods from dumpsters or the middle of the road

would be in the best interests of animals.

 

- Alan

 

 

 

, Angela Nagle <angel.nail wrote:

>

> Dumpstered food is not making any statement. It simply a practical way to

> get food and other things that has less impact on the planet than any other

> way to get things. I think anyone that cares about animals needs to also

> care about the impact they are making on their habitat. Any new product, no

> matter what has green house gas emissions in its process, as well as massive

> water usage and land degradation. Climate change is going to wipe out a

> massive amount of animals so there is no such thing as a vegan who doesn't

> care about consumption and environmental impact, because if you don't then

> even though your not eating animals your not doing all you can to avoid

> their suffering.

> I also buy second hand wool clothing. I generally buy second hand clothing

> so no matter which material the items are made from, they are always

> creating a lesser impact than anything new. If people say that an item is

> nice, than i always say that its from an op shop and its lovely when people

> say wow im going to have a look around op shops more often!

> I think people missed my point about dumpstered food. I never meant to imply

> that dumpstering was a big statement and saving animals. Its not. I don't

> even think veganism is saving animals. The only way animals will be saved is

> if our society stops abusing animals, but considering we still abuse our own

> species than i cannot see things changing that dramatically any time soon. I

> think being vegan, or freegan or vego is just the way that we can do

> something that will lessen our individual impact on animals and the

> environment. I think education and awareness building, campaigning and

> activism is the thing that will create a bigger impact than just our

> lifestyle choices. I love that the girl that takes my thai food order has

> asked me why i don't eat dairy and meat. I love being able to have that

> conversation with people, and i love even more explaining why i am wearing a

> piece of clothing that is made from wool and that allows me to further

> explain the impacts of new products.

> As i said in another e-mail, i have made a choice to purchase new vegan

> shoes based on my growing uncomfortable feelings about leather in any form.

> But i don't think there is anything wrong with second hand leather at all.

> In fact its a lesser impact than my vegan wares shoes.

> Anyway thats more of my 2 cents. It is great to see everyones opinions. I am

> genuinely surprised by peoples reactions.

> Ange

>

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