Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 > Sounds like my sister's reasoning. When I told her we were becoming vegetarians she said that I was still causing undue harm to animals because I wasn't eating the meat, so it was going to go to waste. I tried arguing with her, but she is one of the people that you can't tell anything to because she comes up with ridiculous reasons for whatever she is saying. Then, she stays mad at you for months because you fought with her. > > > > > Hi Jacqueline, > Im wondering why you are opposed to dumpstered meat? I am i guess, more > freegan...if the dairy is going to be wasted, than there is no sense in not > eating it. I have friends that actively dumpster and sometimes deliver me > goodies that i wouldn't normally be able to eat such as cheese. I have no > ethical problems eating dumpstered meat i just can't do it! > There is nothing that makes me sadder than seeing meat being wasted. Its > like an extra bit of torture for the animal. I believe that the thing about > veganism which is important is not increasing the demand for animal > products. Only when there is no demand than will the abuse stop. I also > think dumpstered meat it an excellent source of pet food. > Ideally i wish there was no animal products in the dumpster, but there is so > instead of it going to landfill and making more methane it should be used. > This opinion of course is an ethical one and not based on individual health. > Is your aversion to dumpstered meat a health issue? Im really interested in > discussing this with everyone. What are everyones opinions of dumpstered > animal products on here? > Just throwing it out there! > Ange > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 I am totally in favor of dumpstering and I admire the freegan lifestyle. I don't see much of a problem with eating dumpstered meat from an ethical standpoint. However, there is still the health issue, which is compounded by contamination and putrefaction. And I do consider animal products to be, essentially, addictive, because I don't believe it's natural for us to eat them, and especially with cheese's concentrated casomorphins, I think it's best to stay away. Personally, I would not eat meat, cheese or eggs that I found in a dumpster, but I probably wouldn't object too strongly to prepared foods that have animal products as additives. If I found a big box of Morningstar products and I didn't have anything else to eat, I would probably take 'em. Freeganism is all about practicality. If you are wanting to avoid contributing to animal suffering, but you aren't concerned about health issues, then I have a hard time seeing what's immoral about eating meat that's been thrown away. For this reason I will sometimes use wool yarn that has been unraveled from secondhand sweaters, and if I can't find anything else I will use secondhand leather boots - I'm poor and I don't think I should be expected to lay down $120 on firsthand hemp boots from some online retailer - as much as I'd like to, I'm more practical than that, and also I see a lot of merit in saving things from landfills. If I'm not contributing to the industry, I feel that I'm making an acceptable decision. In person, with the vegan police (whether those people are vegan or not), I sometimes have to explain my choice to use secondhand non-food animal products, and I always explain things this way - that I'm as concerned about the environment as I am about animals, and my primary concern is giving money to industries that exploit either one. I don't agree with your sister's commentary on waste, that you should eat firsthand meat to save it from being wasted. The most ethical and effective way to help animals and the environment is to eliminate firsthand animal products of all sorts from your diet and lifestyle. As for secondhand, I really can't say that I care very much what people choose to do. Chandelle On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:51 AM, itshotinjt04 <itshotinjt04wrote: > > > > > Sounds like my sister's reasoning. When I told her we were becoming > vegetarians she said that I was still causing undue harm to animals because > I wasn't eating the meat, so it was going to go to waste. I tried arguing > with her, but she is one of the people that you can't tell anything to > because she comes up with ridiculous reasons for whatever she is saying. > Then, she stays mad at you for months because you fought with her. > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jacqueline, > > Im wondering why you are opposed to dumpstered meat? I am i guess, more > > freegan...if the dairy is going to be wasted, than there is no sense in > not > > eating it. I have friends that actively dumpster and sometimes deliver me > > goodies that i wouldn't normally be able to eat such as cheese. I have no > > ethical problems eating dumpstered meat i just can't do it! > > There is nothing that makes me sadder than seeing meat being wasted. Its > > like an extra bit of torture for the animal. I believe that the thing > about > > veganism which is important is not increasing the demand for animal > > products. Only when there is no demand than will the abuse stop. I also > > think dumpstered meat it an excellent source of pet food. > > Ideally i wish there was no animal products in the dumpster, but there is > so > > instead of it going to landfill and making more methane it should be > used. > > This opinion of course is an ethical one and not based on individual > health. > > Is your aversion to dumpstered meat a health issue? Im really interested > in > > discussing this with everyone. What are everyones opinions of dumpstered > > animal products on here? > > Just throwing it out there! > > Ange > > > > > > > -- " The demand for equal rights in every vocation of life is just and fair; but, after all, the most vital right is the right to love and be loved. " ~Emma Goldman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Personally, I don't eat meat because it disgusts me thinking that it was once a cute little animal and now I'm eating its flesh. I don't think it's okay to eat animals...even if it was given to me for free I wouldn't want to eat it and it wouldn't be any more appealing to me. I don't really understand why someone would think it's okay to eat the animal flesh just because it's free and is going to the trash anyways. You are still supporting the fact that it's okay to eat animals. I mean if you like to eat meat and are okay with it being an animal then go ahead and eat it from the dumpster but I don't think you are really making some kind of statement or impact by eating meat from a dumpster instead of purchasing it. I don't like that " Freegan " term either. Sorry, I hope this doesn't sound stern! --- On Tue, 6/23/09, itshotinjt04 <itshotinjt04 wrote: itshotinjt04 <itshotinjt04 dumpstered meat Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:51 PM > Sounds like my sister's reasoning. When I told her we were becoming vegetarians she said that I was still causing undue harm to animals because I wasn't eating the meat, so it was going to go to waste. I tried arguing with her, but she is one of the people that you can't tell anything to because she comes up with ridiculous reasons for whatever she is saying. Then, she stays mad at you for months because you fought with her. > > > > > Hi Jacqueline, > Im wondering why you are opposed to dumpstered meat? I am i guess, more > freegan...if the dairy is going to be wasted, than there is no sense in not > eating it. I have friends that actively dumpster and sometimes deliver me > goodies that i wouldn't normally be able to eat such as cheese. I have no > ethical problems eating dumpstered meat i just can't do it! > There is nothing that makes me sadder than seeing meat being wasted. Its > like an extra bit of torture for the animal. I believe that the thing about > veganism which is important is not increasing the demand for animal > products. Only when there is no demand than will the abuse stop. I also > think dumpstered meat it an excellent source of pet food. > Ideally i wish there was no animal products in the dumpster, but there is so > instead of it going to landfill and making more methane it should be used. > This opinion of course is an ethical one and not based on individual health. > Is your aversion to dumpstered meat a health issue? Im really interested in > discussing this with everyone. What are everyones opinions of dumpstered > animal products on here? > Just throwing it out there! > Ange > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2009 Report Share Posted June 23, 2009 Okay, after thinking about it, I do see how you would make an impact on the supply/demand of meat. I guess this would be more of a moral issue - whether or not you think its okay to eat animal flesh. --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Denise Turner <deniseamay wrote: Denise Turner <deniseamay Re: dumpstered meat Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 2:48 PM Personally, I don't eat meat because it disgusts me thinking that it was once a cute little animal and now I'm eating its flesh. I don't think it's okay to eat animals...even if it was given to me for free I wouldn't want to eat it and it wouldn't be any more appealing to me. I don't really understand why someone would think it's okay to eat the animal flesh just because it's free and is going to the trash anyways. You are still supporting the fact that it's okay to eat animals. I mean if you like to eat meat and are okay with it being an animal then go ahead and eat it from the dumpster but I don't think you are really making some kind of statement or impact by eating meat from a dumpster instead of purchasing it. I don't like that " Freegan " term either. Sorry, I hope this doesn't sound stern! --- On Tue, 6/23/09, itshotinjt04 <itshotinjt04@ > wrote: itshotinjt04 <itshotinjt04@ > dumpstered meat @gro ups.com Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 12:51 PM > Sounds like my sister's reasoning. When I told her we were becoming vegetarians she said that I was still causing undue harm to animals because I wasn't eating the meat, so it was going to go to waste. I tried arguing with her, but she is one of the people that you can't tell anything to because she comes up with ridiculous reasons for whatever she is saying. Then, she stays mad at you for months because you fought with her. > > > > > Hi Jacqueline, > Im wondering why you are opposed to dumpstered meat? I am i guess, more > freegan...if the dairy is going to be wasted, than there is no sense in not > eating it. I have friends that actively dumpster and sometimes deliver me > goodies that i wouldn't normally be able to eat such as cheese. I have no > ethical problems eating dumpstered meat i just can't do it! > There is nothing that makes me sadder than seeing meat being wasted. Its > like an extra bit of torture for the animal. I believe that the thing about > veganism which is important is not increasing the demand for animal > products. Only when there is no demand than will the abuse stop. I also > think dumpstered meat it an excellent source of pet food. > Ideally i wish there was no animal products in the dumpster, but there is so > instead of it going to landfill and making more methane it should be used. > This opinion of course is an ethical one and not based on individual health. > Is your aversion to dumpstered meat a health issue? Im really interested in > discussing this with everyone. What are everyones opinions of dumpstered > animal products on here? > Just throwing it out there! > Ange > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Dumpstered food is not making any statement. It simply a practical way to get food and other things that has less impact on the planet than any other way to get things. I think anyone that cares about animals needs to also care about the impact they are making on their habitat. Any new product, no matter what has green house gas emissions in its process, as well as massive water usage and land degradation. Climate change is going to wipe out a massive amount of animals so there is no such thing as a vegan who doesn't care about consumption and environmental impact, because if you don't then even though your not eating animals your not doing all you can to avoid their suffering. I also buy second hand wool clothing. I generally buy second hand clothing so no matter which material the items are made from, they are always creating a lesser impact than anything new. If people say that an item is nice, than i always say that its from an op shop and its lovely when people say wow im going to have a look around op shops more often! I think people missed my point about dumpstered food. I never meant to imply that dumpstering was a big statement and saving animals. Its not. I don't even think veganism is saving animals. The only way animals will be saved is if our society stops abusing animals, but considering we still abuse our own species than i cannot see things changing that dramatically any time soon. I think being vegan, or freegan or vego is just the way that we can do something that will lessen our individual impact on animals and the environment. I think education and awareness building, campaigning and activism is the thing that will create a bigger impact than just our lifestyle choices. I love that the girl that takes my thai food order has asked me why i don't eat dairy and meat. I love being able to have that conversation with people, and i love even more explaining why i am wearing a piece of clothing that is made from wool and that allows me to further explain the impacts of new products. As i said in another e-mail, i have made a choice to purchase new vegan shoes based on my growing uncomfortable feelings about leather in any form. But i don't think there is anything wrong with second hand leather at all. In fact its a lesser impact than my vegan wares shoes. Anyway thats more of my 2 cents. It is great to see everyones opinions. I am genuinely surprised by peoples reactions. Ange On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Jacqueline Bodnar <jbwrote: > > > > Denise wrote: " You are still supporting the fact that it's okay to eat > animals. " > > Absolutely! I agree and that is the moral problem with eating dumpstered > meat. > > You are still seeing animals as commodities for what they can do for > humans. It is disrespectful, inhumane and perpetuates that animals are > food for people (whether free, dumpstered, fresh, etc.). > > Jacqueline > > > > -- " One person flying in an airplane for one hour is responsible for the same greenhouse gas emissions as a typical Bangladeshi in a whole year. " - Beatrice Schell, European Federation for Transport and Environment, November 2001. * The global livestock industry is responsible for more greenhouse gas emissions than all the planes, trains and automobiles in the world combined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 Ange, I'm definitely sympathetic to your argument. And I agree, freeganism is simply about opting out of the system altogether. Secondhand anything is the way to go. Chandelle On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Angela Nagle <angel.nail wrote: > > > Dumpstered food is not making any statement. It simply a practical way to > get food and other things that has less impact on the planet than any other > way to get things. I think anyone that cares about animals needs to also > care about the impact they are making on their habitat. Any new product, no > matter what has green house gas emissions in its process, as well as > massive > water usage and land degradation. Climate change is going to wipe out a > massive amount of animals so there is no such thing as a vegan who doesn't > care about consumption and environmental impact, because if you don't then > even though your not eating animals your not doing all you can to avoid > their suffering. > I also buy second hand wool clothing. I generally buy second hand clothing > so no matter which material the items are made from, they are always > creating a lesser impact than anything new. If people say that an item is > nice, than i always say that its from an op shop and its lovely when people > say wow im going to have a look around op shops more often! > I think people missed my point about dumpstered food. I never meant to > imply > that dumpstering was a big statement and saving animals. Its not. I don't > even think veganism is saving animals. The only way animals will be saved > is > if our society stops abusing animals, but considering we still abuse our > own > species than i cannot see things changing that dramatically any time soon. > I > think being vegan, or freegan or vego is just the way that we can do > something that will lessen our individual impact on animals and the > environment. I think education and awareness building, campaigning and > activism is the thing that will create a bigger impact than just our > lifestyle choices. I love that the girl that takes my thai food order has > asked me why i don't eat dairy and meat. I love being able to have that > conversation with people, and i love even more explaining why i am wearing > a > piece of clothing that is made from wool and that allows me to further > explain the impacts of new products. > As i said in another e-mail, i have made a choice to purchase new vegan > shoes based on my growing uncomfortable feelings about leather in any form. > But i don't think there is anything wrong with second hand leather at all. > In fact its a lesser impact than my vegan wares shoes. > Anyway thats more of my 2 cents. It is great to see everyones opinions. I > am > genuinely surprised by peoples reactions. > Ange > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Jacqueline Bodnar > <jb <jb%40jacquelinebodnar.com>>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Denise wrote: " You are still supporting the fact that it's okay to eat > > animals. " > > > > Absolutely! I agree and that is the moral problem with eating dumpstered > > meat. > > > > You are still seeing animals as commodities for what they can do for > > humans. It is disrespectful, inhumane and perpetuates that animals are > > food for people (whether free, dumpstered, fresh, etc.). > > > > Jacqueline > > > > > > > > > > -- > " One person flying in an airplane for one hour is responsible for the same > greenhouse gas emissions as a typical Bangladeshi in a whole year. " - > Beatrice Schell, European Federation for Transport and Environment, > November > 2001. > > * The global livestock industry is responsible for more greenhouse gas > emissions than all the planes, trains and automobiles in the world combined > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 I still stick with the point that we would not drag a human body out of the garbage to eat it...because we do not think of them as commodities/food. I also don't think most people would cut the hair off of a dead person to make a perfectly nice wig for someone who needs it. It just isn't respectful of the animals who were killed. There are plenty of other products that do not treat animals as things. I also shop second hand. I love rummage sales, but if someone is selling a fur or leather coat I would never think to buy it. --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Angela Nagle <angel.nail wrote: Angela Nagle <angel.nail Re: dumpstered meat Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 11:31 PM Dumpstered food is not making any statement. It simply a practical way to get food and other things that has less impact on the planet than any other way to get things. I think anyone that cares about animals needs to also care about the impact they are making on their habitat. Any new product, no matter what has green house gas emissions in its process, as well as massive water usage and land degradation. Climate change is going to wipe out a massive amount of animals so there is no such thing as a vegan who doesn't care about consumption and environmental impact, because if you don't then even though your not eating animals your not doing all you can to avoid their suffering. I also buy second hand wool clothing. I generally buy second hand clothing so no matter which material the items are made from, they are always creating a lesser impact than anything new. If people say that an item is nice, than i always say that its from an op shop and its lovely when people say wow im going to have a look around op shops more often! I think people missed my point about dumpstered food. I never meant to imply that dumpstering was a big statement and saving animals. Its not. I don't even think veganism is saving animals. The only way animals will be saved is if our society stops abusing animals, but considering we still abuse our own species than i cannot see things changing that dramatically any time soon. I think being vegan, or freegan or vego is just the way that we can do something that will lessen our individual impact on animals and the environment. I think education and awareness building, campaigning and activism is the thing that will create a bigger impact than just our lifestyle choices. I love that the girl that takes my thai food order has asked me why i don't eat dairy and meat. I love being able to have that conversation with people, and i love even more explaining why i am wearing a piece of clothing that is made from wool and that allows me to further explain the impacts of new products. As i said in another e-mail, i have made a choice to purchase new vegan shoes based on my growing uncomfortable feelings about leather in any form. But i don't think there is anything wrong with second hand leather at all. In fact its a lesser impact than my vegan wares shoes. Anyway thats more of my 2 cents. It is great to see everyones opinions. I am genuinely surprised by peoples reactions. Ange On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Jacqueline Bodnar <jb@jacquelinebodnar .com>wrote: > > > > Denise wrote: " You are still supporting the fact that it's okay to eat > animals. " > > Absolutely! I agree and that is the moral problem with eating dumpstered > meat. > > You are still seeing animals as commodities for what they can do for > humans. It is disrespectful, inhumane and perpetuates that animals are > food for people (whether free, dumpstered, fresh, etc.). > > Jacqueline > > > > -- " One person flying in an airplane for one hour is responsible for the same greenhouse gas emissions as a typical Bangladeshi in a whole year. " - Beatrice Schell, European Federation for Transport and Environment, November 2001. * The global livestock industry is responsible for more greenhouse gas emissions than all the planes, trains and automobiles in the world combined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2009 Report Share Posted June 24, 2009 *Hi folks, * *Does anyone else receive e-mails from Grist? I just got the latest Ask Umbra and the question is right on topic with this current discussion. Read it all at * *http://www.grist.org/article/2009-06-24-ask-umbra-meating-needs* *Here's the questions: * *Hi Umbra,* *I was shopping in the commissary (our lovely military grocery store) this afternoon when I noticed the “reduced for quick sale†meat section. [As a former vegetarian], I literally feel the weight of the world when I buy meat .... but when I saw this meat, it occurred to me that it was going to be thrown away within the next day or two if someone did not purchase it. To me, this is a worse crime: To have had that animal suffer a cruel factory farm existence only to have its meat completely wasted. What do you think? I ended up buying some pork chops. Am I rationalizing my purchase? Am I fueling the factory farm that raised that pig? Or were they already paid when the commissary bought the meat and I just ensured the meat didn’t go to waste? What’s the best choice, to waste it or use it?* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 I am completely grossed out by the concept of eating dumpstered food. This is a deadly bacterial infection waiting to happen. ________________________________ Angela Nagle <angel.nail Tuesday, June 23, 2009 6:31:57 PM Re: dumpstered meat Dumpstered food is not making any statement. It simply a practical way to get food and other things that has less impact on the planet than any other way to get things. I think anyone that cares about animals needs to also care about the impact they are making on their habitat. Any new product, no matter what has green house gas emissions in its process, as well as massive water usage and land degradation. Climate change is going to wipe out a massive amount of animals so there is no such thing as a vegan who doesn't care about consumption and environmental impact, because if you don't then even though your not eating animals your not doing all you can to avoid their suffering. I also buy second hand wool clothing. I generally buy second hand clothing so no matter which material the items are made from, they are always creating a lesser impact than anything new. If people say that an item is nice, than i always say that its from an op shop and its lovely when people say wow im going to have a look around op shops more often! I think people missed my point about dumpstered food. I never meant to imply that dumpstering was a big statement and saving animals. Its not. I don't even think veganism is saving animals. The only way animals will be saved is if our society stops abusing animals, but considering we still abuse our own species than i cannot see things changing that dramatically any time soon. I think being vegan, or freegan or vego is just the way that we can do something that will lessen our individual impact on animals and the environment. I think education and awareness building, campaigning and activism is the thing that will create a bigger impact than just our lifestyle choices. I love that the girl that takes my thai food order has asked me why i don't eat dairy and meat. I love being able to have that conversation with people, and i love even more explaining why i am wearing a piece of clothing that is made from wool and that allows me to further explain the impacts of new products. As i said in another e-mail, i have made a choice to purchase new vegan shoes based on my growing uncomfortable feelings about leather in any form. But i don't think there is anything wrong with second hand leather at all. In fact its a lesser impact than my vegan wares shoes. Anyway thats more of my 2 cents. It is great to see everyones opinions. I am genuinely surprised by peoples reactions. Ange On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 4:57 AM, Jacqueline Bodnar <jb@jacquelinebodnar .com>wrote: > > > > Denise wrote: " You are still supporting the fact that it's okay to eat > animals. " > > Absolutely! I agree and that is the moral problem with eating dumpstered > meat. > > You are still seeing animals as commodities for what they can do for > humans. It is disrespectful, inhumane and perpetuates that animals are > food for people (whether free, dumpstered, fresh, etc.). > > Jacqueline > > > > -- " One person flying in an airplane for one hour is responsible for the same greenhouse gas emissions as a typical Bangladeshi in a whole year. " - Beatrice Schell, European Federation for Transport and Environment, November 2001. * The global livestock industry is responsible for more greenhouse gas emissions than all the planes, trains and automobiles in the world combined Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2009 Report Share Posted June 25, 2009 I think people are confusing the ethics of veg*nism with the ethics of environmentalism. They are not the same thing. " Secondhand anything is better than anything new " (paraphrase)...that's based on an individual's ethics. My ethics are different. My vegan ethics trump my environmentalist ethics. Fortunately being a vegan has a huge environmental benefit. It sounds like for others, their environmentalist ethics trump their vegan ethics. If this means they engage in the eating of dumpster meat, they aren't vegans. I've never seen a definition of vegan that says " one who doesn't eat meat or animal products...unless they're found free in a dumpster. " Words do have specific definitions, even if people choose not to use them correctly. That's why inevitably my " vegetarian " (pre-vegan days) meal at most dinner parties I went to were chicken... " but my other friend is a vegetarian and eats chicken. " Um, no. I had someone tell me she was a vegetarian and then ordered a BLT! If someone can add chicken to the definition, why not pork? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2009 Report Share Posted June 26, 2009 >> It is great to see everyones opinions. I am genuinely surprised by peoples reactions. Ange, These threads take on a mind of their own, and that's part of the fun of exploration! When I read your original post I was thinking you were making the point that if it's just about the ethics of harming animals , why not dumpster, eat road kill, etc.? (Background: at the time, we were debating whether it would be helpful to educate our kids about the health, hunger, and environmental consequences of exploiting animals, or restrict the conversation to animal ethics only.) For health reasons, I wouldn't eat any animal products because of the harm to my health from animal protein, saturated fat, cholesterol, etc., not to mention e-coli, mad cow, salmonella, antibiotics, puss, hormones, mercury, concentrated pesticides/herbicides/PCBs, etc. So dumpstering would not be an option for me. But, hypothetically, if I were to set all that aside and think exclusively about animal ethics, I can see both the pros and cons, as discussed already in this thread. In some ways, it seems better for animals, and in some ways worse. Individuals who are compassionate about animals may come to different judgements. Besides your point about the condition of the environment on animal (including human!) welfare/survival, I would also add that most plant-based sources of food cause some harm to animals in their growing and harvesting. Typically, we vegans accept this because the harm is much, much less than that occuring with producing animal-based sources of food. But if a person were to consume (in the manner you describe, with clear signals and explanations) dumpster animal products, that would avoid the harm inadvertently and indirectly caused eating plant-based foods. Animal lives would be saved; not " farm animals " , but the animals (rabbits, moles, birds, etc.) in the fields where plants are grown and harvested. So, it's a fair question you posed. And if a person believes eating animal products to be relatively healthy (or they are willing to sacrifice their health for a greater good), and they have a strong stomach, I can see how they might conclude that eating animal-based foods from dumpsters or the middle of the road would be in the best interests of animals. - Alan , Angela Nagle <angel.nail wrote: > > Dumpstered food is not making any statement. It simply a practical way to > get food and other things that has less impact on the planet than any other > way to get things. I think anyone that cares about animals needs to also > care about the impact they are making on their habitat. Any new product, no > matter what has green house gas emissions in its process, as well as massive > water usage and land degradation. Climate change is going to wipe out a > massive amount of animals so there is no such thing as a vegan who doesn't > care about consumption and environmental impact, because if you don't then > even though your not eating animals your not doing all you can to avoid > their suffering. > I also buy second hand wool clothing. I generally buy second hand clothing > so no matter which material the items are made from, they are always > creating a lesser impact than anything new. If people say that an item is > nice, than i always say that its from an op shop and its lovely when people > say wow im going to have a look around op shops more often! > I think people missed my point about dumpstered food. I never meant to imply > that dumpstering was a big statement and saving animals. Its not. I don't > even think veganism is saving animals. The only way animals will be saved is > if our society stops abusing animals, but considering we still abuse our own > species than i cannot see things changing that dramatically any time soon. I > think being vegan, or freegan or vego is just the way that we can do > something that will lessen our individual impact on animals and the > environment. I think education and awareness building, campaigning and > activism is the thing that will create a bigger impact than just our > lifestyle choices. I love that the girl that takes my thai food order has > asked me why i don't eat dairy and meat. I love being able to have that > conversation with people, and i love even more explaining why i am wearing a > piece of clothing that is made from wool and that allows me to further > explain the impacts of new products. > As i said in another e-mail, i have made a choice to purchase new vegan > shoes based on my growing uncomfortable feelings about leather in any form. > But i don't think there is anything wrong with second hand leather at all. > In fact its a lesser impact than my vegan wares shoes. > Anyway thats more of my 2 cents. It is great to see everyones opinions. I am > genuinely surprised by peoples reactions. > Ange > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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