No logic when it comes to diet and meat-eaters

September 21, 2009

I have nothing to offer you except my biggest hugs for going through

this. I wish you were closer to me as I would gladly take them in my

home 3 nights a week! (I don't know if that would solve your problem

but I would!)

Good Karma, Prayers, etc.

Janelle

AmandaC wrote:

>

> Hello all,

>

> I will try to make this as brief as possible. I wrote a post awhile

> back about my situation. My boyfriend/partner is a single dad, and I

> turned him vegan shortly after we started dating. His two daughters

> also had to go vegan because as we all know no children really have

> choices whether its regarding diet or religion or values etc. I wish

> our lives were as easy as just battling the schools.

>

> I was watching them (Lily 9yrs old and Anitsa 4 yrs old) five nights

> weekly for about 6 months. Half way through that I found out I got

> accepted into the masters program at Stony Brook University (SUNY) in

> New York for this fall. Shortly after that things went down hill. The

> maternal grandmother filed for full custody of both children (the

> older is not biologically his but the younger is and he has full

> custody of both - the mother is now in jail but before was barely

> doing weekly supervised visits - she is a crackwhore literally). Since

> then, our lives have been ripped apart. We believed the guardian ad

> litum (a fellow vegetarian) was on our side. Well, she HATES me!

>

> As of right now I am living in NY while they are back in Ohio.

> Starting in June, Johnny was able to find 1 decent overnight provider

> (he works nights) to watch his children. I've never really liked her

> but she was ok for the moment until we could reach our goal of Johnny

> finding a day job and/or me watching them at night (us coming together

> as a family).

>

> The whole summer has been a sickening battle with emphasis on our

> " crazy " vegan diet. Well, the report from the guardian was finished in

> August. She ripped us apart. She told his lawyer that she thinks im

> controlling and manipulative. The report says horrible, untrue things

> about me and Johnny and completely advises AGAINST our vegan diet. I

> can't even begin to describe how horrible it really has been. I am the

> only one who has really given a shit besides Johnny, and everyone

> hates me and now on record I am a horrible, inappropriate person who

> according the guardian knows nothing about dealing with the kids. I

> was devastated Cheri is doing this to spite Johnny - she doesn't want

> them and since the pretrial has been given the oportunity to take them

> everynight and hasnt and wont. When Lily was a baby, she slept in a

> car with her mother because Cheri wouldnt let them stay at her home.

> As you guys are probably thinking, there is no way in hell my

> grandchild would sleep in a car- maybe your kid but not a baby. Cheri

> doesnt care about Lily. Lily is seen as a possession. The whole

> situation is sickening and almost too much for me to handle. Needless

> to say we are fighting this. We will be bringing in expert witnesses

> regarding the importance of a vegan diet on the mind and the body. It

> is more complicated than just is it healthy enough. Lily the older

> daughter has an anxiety disorder among other issues (RAD and ADHD),

> and everyone is saying this is too stressful for her because she has

> become resistent to it. Well, I will tell you why because everyone is

> talking MAD shit about the diet making her feel as if she is a freak

> for this and that it's wrong and unhealthy. Luckily, the younger (she

> just turned 4) has really grasped onto it. But hence why we are

> getting expert witnesses. It has been proven time and time again that

> children who are victims of neglect and abuse (Lily - hence the

> Reactive attachment disorder- her sperm donor was been MIA until she

> was 5 and her mom abandoned her 2x before the age of 1) can be

> prevented from going down the path of crime and teen pregnancy and

> drugs etc from humane education! Humane education = teaching

> compassion for all.

>

> Point is diet has no place in a custody battle. The reason this is

> such a problem is because Cheri the grandmother (a top gm of red

> lobster) cant make them a meal let alone a vegan one, and she wont

> stop shoveling fast food down their throats. The younger one Anitsa

> actually thinks they have fake chicken at Mcdonalds...at least her

> heart is in the right place but seriously WTF!!!!!!!! If we wanted to

> shovel that down their throats, this would never ever be an issue. Who

> cares if we kill our kids with obesity and fast food as long as it's

> not veganism!!!! Still no one questions the quality of their diet just

> that we dont feed them meat or dairy. No one asks about servings of

> fruits and veggies daily...just concerned because no animal

> products...how is this logical?

>

> I've been meaning to tell everyone about this because I knew everyone

> would be horrified at the battle we must face over our healthy diet

> and values.

>

> If that wasnt enough, we have run into a crisis with Cindy the

> overnight provider. She is this hillbilly who I actually witnessed her

> call her pudgy grandchild (who is under 10yrs old) a little piggy to

> her face as a loving sort of joke. (Mind you Cindy's daughter who now

> does daycare calls her son " tard " because he has ADHD and is

> lactose-intolerant- they think it makes him special but obviously in a

> bad way - they call him this as a nickname - im sure everyone is

> cringing horribly). so, ive been looking forward to the day we could

> say bye-bye to her. Well, she finally did it. But before I tell you

> that, i will tell you a story that will make you smile. Lily is a very

> compassionate child and before everything went sour, she was really

> into it but still having a hard time because of her need to fit in and

> the negativity around her. So when Lily told her dad about wanting to

> eat chicken, I tried to help her make the connection about chickens

> and all birds because cindy has a cockateil that Lily loves so much.

> So we talked about how Annabell the cockateil is a bird, and are birds

> are alike including chickens and we should love them all. Well, one

> morning when I was picking them up for Johnny, Cindy was trying to

> argue about the vegan thing with me and was informing me of how

> children's mind think (as in they dont think logically or whatever).

> She told me that one night Lily told Cindy that everytime she eats

> chicken, she's eating Annabell. And I kinda laughed because that was

> my reaction. It was funny! Then Cindy tried to blab on about how she

> would never eat her animals and it's different and how she had

> chickens she wouldnt eat on her family's farm because she loved them

> (talk about a person in self-denial about her values between food and

> pets)!!! But that a vegan would never say that to her. I told her that

> actually they probably would. Since then, she really despises me.

> Especially since then, she constantly hassles Johnny about our choices.

>

> Well, behind his back she told the children that she was throwing out

> the vegan diet. Then when he confronted her about it at the same time

> she was threatening to terminate care, she was giving him her

> " professional " opinion on our diet. (yes johnny will be desperately

> searching for an overnight provider that can do at least 3 nights a

> week - its really complicated). She claimed that this diet is making

> Lily hyperactive and they don't get enough protein and if no one else

> will follow it, she doesn't want to either! Can you believe this

> woman!!!??!!! Johnny is soo angry at the audacity of her to go behind

> his back and say this shit to his children AND the audacity of her to

> make decisions against his wishes with which he has medical backing

> for!!! It is sickening!!! This incident has motivated me to get become

> a registered dietitian either during my masters or following so that

> people will actually listen to me since I would technically be a

> professional.

>

> Thank you for taking the time to read all of this. Of course I welcome

> any thoughts, comments, or advice. Right now we are preparing

> ourselves for the trial. Everyday we are trying to come up with new

> solutions. Today I came up with the idea of making a standard diet log

> that will be filled out daily. Johnny wanted to start doing thta to

> make sure they are getting enough nutrients, which is a great idea.

> But if we have a sheet and keep asking Cheri to fill it out, then it

> will look better on us. Plus either cheri wont do it, which will look

> badly on her or it will show how much crap she is feeding them. We

> were even going to say that we want to eventually have a nutritionist

> analyze them.

>

> And actually let me give a word of advice to anyone who may even come

> close to dealing with something like this- Protect yourself. Don't

> assume that sharing will benefit you. The guardian turned everything

> on us. Yes, the lawyer will be putting her on the stand and ripping

> HER apart making her explain how she came to those conclusions, but

> you are better off never even sharing. Document everything but dont be

> so willing to share. The system is not just. You must learn how to

> play the game and that's it!!! As horrible as it sounds, we try to

> " manipulate " situations to set us up to look good and Cheri to fail.

> It is sad that you must do this, but we made a lot of mistakes because

> we were honest and very open and it has almost ruined us!

>

> Again thank you for taking the time to listen to my story. Thanks

> ahead of time for any responses!!

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Amanda

> crowbabe1094 <crowbabe1094%40>

> cubancuervo <cubancuervo%40gmail.com>

>

September 21, 2009

Holy cow, Amanda, that is simply the worst thing I have heard in a long,

long time. My own ex-husband thinks he can get custody of our three

children based on us being vegetarian, too. Silliness... Good luck in

court.

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:09 PM, AmandaC <crowbabe1094 wrote:

>

> Hello all,

>

> I will try to make this as brief as possible. I wrote a post awhile back

> about my situation. My boyfriend/partner is a single dad, and I turned him

> vegan shortly after we started dating. His two daughters also had to go

> vegan because as we all know no children really have choices whether its

> regarding diet or religion or values etc. I wish our lives were as easy as

> just battling the schools.

>

> I was watching them (Lily 9yrs old and Anitsa 4 yrs old) five nights weekly

> for about 6 months. Half way through that I found out I got accepted into

> the masters program at Stony Brook University (SUNY) in New York for this

> fall. Shortly after that things went down hill. The maternal grandmother

> filed for full custody of both children (the older is not biologically his

> but the younger is and he has full custody of both - the mother is now in

> jail but before was barely doing weekly supervised visits - she is a

> crackwhore literally). Since then, our lives have been ripped apart. We

> believed the guardian ad litum (a fellow vegetarian) was on our side. Well,

> she HATES me!

>

> As of right now I am living in NY while they are back in Ohio. Starting in

> June, Johnny was able to find 1 decent overnight provider (he works nights)

> to watch his children. I've never really liked her but she was ok for the

> moment until we could reach our goal of Johnny finding a day job and/or me

> watching them at night (us coming together as a family).

>

> The whole summer has been a sickening battle with emphasis on our " crazy "

> vegan diet. Well, the report from the guardian was finished in August. She

> ripped us apart. She told his lawyer that she thinks im controlling and

> manipulative. The report says horrible, untrue things about me and Johnny

> and completely advises AGAINST our vegan diet. I can't even begin to

> describe how horrible it really has been. I am the only one who has really

> given a shit besides Johnny, and everyone hates me and now on record I am a

> horrible, inappropriate person who according the guardian knows nothing

> about dealing with the kids. I was devastated Cheri is doing this to spite

> Johnny - she doesn't want them and since the pretrial has been given the

> oportunity to take them everynight and hasnt and wont. When Lily was a baby,

> she slept in a car with her mother because Cheri wouldnt let them stay at

> her home. As you guys are probably thinking, there is no way in hell my

> grandchild would sleep in a car- maybe your kid but not a baby. Cheri doesnt

> care about Lily. Lily is seen as a possession. The whole situation is

> sickening and almost too much for me to handle. Needless to say we are

> fighting this. We will be bringing in expert witnesses regarding the

> importance of a vegan diet on the mind and the body. It is more complicated

> than just is it healthy enough. Lily the older daughter has an anxiety

> disorder among other issues (RAD and ADHD), and everyone is saying this is

> too stressful for her because she has become resistent to it. Well, I will

> tell you why because everyone is talking MAD shit about the diet making her

> feel as if she is a freak for this and that it's wrong and unhealthy.

> Luckily, the younger (she just turned 4) has really grasped onto it. But

> hence why we are getting expert witnesses. It has been proven time and time

> again that children who are victims of neglect and abuse (Lily - hence the

> Reactive attachment disorder- her sperm donor was been MIA until she was 5

> and her mom abandoned her 2x before the age of 1) can be prevented from

> going down the path of crime and teen pregnancy and drugs etc from humane

> education! Humane education = teaching compassion for all.

>

> Point is diet has no place in a custody battle. The reason this is such a

> problem is because Cheri the grandmother (a top gm of red lobster) cant make

> them a meal let alone a vegan one, and she wont stop shoveling fast food

> down their throats. The younger one Anitsa actually thinks they have fake

> chicken at Mcdonalds...at least her heart is in the right place but

> seriously WTF!!!!!!!! If we wanted to shovel that down their throats, this

> would never ever be an issue. Who cares if we kill our kids with obesity and

> fast food as long as it's not veganism!!!! Still no one questions the

> quality of their diet just that we dont feed them meat or dairy. No one asks

> about servings of fruits and veggies daily...just concerned because no

> animal products...how is this logical?

>

> I've been meaning to tell everyone about this because I knew everyone would

> be horrified at the battle we must face over our healthy diet and values.

>

> If that wasnt enough, we have run into a crisis with Cindy the overnight

> provider. She is this hillbilly who I actually witnessed her call her pudgy

> grandchild (who is under 10yrs old) a little piggy to her face as a loving

> sort of joke. (Mind you Cindy's daughter who now does daycare calls her son

> " tard " because he has ADHD and is lactose-intolerant- they think it makes

> him special but obviously in a bad way - they call him this as a nickname -

> im sure everyone is cringing horribly). so, ive been looking forward to the

> day we could say bye-bye to her. Well, she finally did it. But before I tell

> you that, i will tell you a story that will make you smile. Lily is a very

> compassionate child and before everything went sour, she was really into it

> but still having a hard time because of her need to fit in and the

> negativity around her. So when Lily told her dad about wanting to eat

> chicken, I tried to help her make the connection about chickens and all

> birds because cindy has a cockateil that Lily loves so much. So we talked

> about how Annabell the cockateil is a bird, and are birds are alike

> including chickens and we should love them all. Well, one morning when I was

> picking them up for Johnny, Cindy was trying to argue about the vegan thing

> with me and was informing me of how children's mind think (as in they dont

> think logically or whatever). She told me that one night Lily told Cindy

> that everytime she eats chicken, she's eating Annabell. And I kinda laughed

> because that was my reaction. It was funny! Then Cindy tried to blab on

> about how she would never eat her animals and it's different and how she had

> chickens she wouldnt eat on her family's farm because she loved them (talk

> about a person in self-denial about her values between food and pets)!!! But

> that a vegan would never say that to her. I told her that actually they

> probably would. Since then, she really despises me. Especially since then,

> she constantly hassles Johnny about our choices.

>

> Well, behind his back she told the children that she was throwing out the

> vegan diet. Then when he confronted her about it at the same time she was

> threatening to terminate care, she was giving him her " professional " opinion

> on our diet. (yes johnny will be desperately searching for an overnight

> provider that can do at least 3 nights a week - its really complicated). She

> claimed that this diet is making Lily hyperactive and they don't get enough

> protein and if no one else will follow it, she doesn't want to either! Can

> you believe this woman!!!??!!! Johnny is soo angry at the audacity of her to

> go behind his back and say this shit to his children AND the audacity of her

> to make decisions against his wishes with which he has medical backing

> for!!! It is sickening!!! This incident has motivated me to get become a

> registered dietitian either during my masters or following so that people

> will actually listen to me since I would technically be a professional.

>

> Thank you for taking the time to read all of this. Of course I welcome any

> thoughts, comments, or advice. Right now we are preparing ourselves for the

> trial. Everyday we are trying to come up with new solutions. Today I came up

> with the idea of making a standard diet log that will be filled out daily.

> Johnny wanted to start doing thta to make sure they are getting enough

> nutrients, which is a great idea. But if we have a sheet and keep asking

> Cheri to fill it out, then it will look better on us. Plus either cheri wont

> do it, which will look badly on her or it will show how much crap she is

> feeding them. We were even going to say that we want to eventually have a

> nutritionist analyze them.

>

> And actually let me give a word of advice to anyone who may even come close

> to dealing with something like this- Protect yourself. Don't assume that

> sharing will benefit you. The guardian turned everything on us. Yes, the

> lawyer will be putting her on the stand and ripping HER apart making her

> explain how she came to those conclusions, but you are better off never even

> sharing. Document everything but dont be so willing to share. The system is

> not just. You must learn how to play the game and that's it!!! As horrible

> as it sounds, we try to " manipulate " situations to set us up to look good

> and Cheri to fail. It is sad that you must do this, but we made a lot of

> mistakes because we were honest and very open and it has almost ruined us!

>

> Again thank you for taking the time to listen to my story. Thanks ahead of

> time for any responses!!

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Amanda

> crowbabe1094 <crowbabe1094%40>

> cubancuervo <cubancuervo%40gmail.com>

>

--

Regards,

Vibeke

Where and how we spend our dollars is one of the most important statements

we can make.

September 22, 2009

I feel so badly for you in this horrid situation. Maybe you could bring up all

the negative findings about the SAD. My niece went into puberty early because

of al the chemicals and hormones she had been eating, not to mention that she is

only 8 and is about 50 pounds over weight. Where in Ohio are Jonny and the

girls (if you don't mind me asking). I live near Ohio and was a nanny for an

Indian family for 2 & 1/2 years. If I can help I would be glad to.

Amity

, " AmandaC " <crowbabe1094 wrote:

>

> Hello all,

>

> I will try to make this as brief as possible. I wrote a post awhile back

about my situation. My boyfriend/partner is a single dad, and I turned him

vegan shortly after we started dating. His two daughters also had to go vegan

because as we all know no children really have choices whether its regarding

diet or religion or values etc. I wish our lives were as easy as just battling

the schools.

>

> I was watching them (Lily 9yrs old and Anitsa 4 yrs old) five nights weekly

for about 6 months. Half way through that I found out I got accepted into the

masters program at Stony Brook University (SUNY) in New York for this fall.

Shortly after that things went down hill. The maternal grandmother filed for

full custody of both children (the older is not biologically his but the younger

is and he has full custody of both - the mother is now in jail but before was

barely doing weekly supervised visits - she is a crackwhore literally). Since

then, our lives have been ripped apart. We believed the guardian ad litum (a

fellow vegetarian) was on our side. Well, she HATES me!

>

> As of right now I am living in NY while they are back in Ohio. Starting in

June, Johnny was able to find 1 decent overnight provider (he works nights) to

watch his children. I've never really liked her but she was ok for the moment

until we could reach our goal of Johnny finding a day job and/or me watching

them at night (us coming together as a family).

>

> The whole summer has been a sickening battle with emphasis on our " crazy "

vegan diet. Well, the report from the guardian was finished in August. She

ripped us apart. She told his lawyer that she thinks im controlling and

manipulative. The report says horrible, untrue things about me and Johnny and

completely advises AGAINST our vegan diet. I can't even begin to describe how

horrible it really has been. I am the only one who has really given a shit

besides Johnny, and everyone hates me and now on record I am a horrible,

inappropriate person who according the guardian knows nothing about dealing with

the kids. I was devastated Cheri is doing this to spite Johnny - she doesn't

want them and since the pretrial has been given the oportunity to take them

everynight and hasnt and wont. When Lily was a baby, she slept in a car with

her mother because Cheri wouldnt let them stay at her home. As you guys are

probably thinking, there is no way in hell my grandchild would sleep in a car-

maybe your kid but not a baby. Cheri doesnt care about Lily. Lily is seen as a

possession. The whole situation is sickening and almost too much for me to

handle. Needless to say we are fighting this. We will be bringing in expert

witnesses regarding the importance of a vegan diet on the mind and the body. It

is more complicated than just is it healthy enough. Lily the older daughter has

an anxiety disorder among other issues (RAD and ADHD), and everyone is saying

this is too stressful for her because she has become resistent to it. Well, I

will tell you why because everyone is talking MAD shit about the diet making her

feel as if she is a freak for this and that it's wrong and unhealthy. Luckily,

the younger (she just turned 4) has really grasped onto it. But hence why we

are getting expert witnesses. It has been proven time and time again that

children who are victims of neglect and abuse (Lily - hence the Reactive

attachment disorder- her sperm donor was been MIA until she was 5 and her mom

abandoned her 2x before the age of 1) can be prevented from going down the path

of crime and teen pregnancy and drugs etc from humane education! Humane

education = teaching compassion for all.

>

> Point is diet has no place in a custody battle. The reason this is such a

problem is because Cheri the grandmother (a top gm of red lobster) cant make

them a meal let alone a vegan one, and she wont stop shoveling fast food down

their throats. The younger one Anitsa actually thinks they have fake chicken at

Mcdonalds...at least her heart is in the right place but seriously WTF!!!!!!!!

If we wanted to shovel that down their throats, this would never ever be an

issue. Who cares if we kill our kids with obesity and fast food as long as it's

not veganism!!!! Still no one questions the quality of their diet just that we

dont feed them meat or dairy. No one asks about servings of fruits and veggies

daily...just concerned because no animal products...how is this logical?

>

> I've been meaning to tell everyone about this because I knew everyone would be

horrified at the battle we must face over our healthy diet and values.

>

> If that wasnt enough, we have run into a crisis with Cindy the overnight

provider. She is this hillbilly who I actually witnessed her call her pudgy

grandchild (who is under 10yrs old) a little piggy to her face as a loving sort

of joke. (Mind you Cindy's daughter who now does daycare calls her son " tard "

because he has ADHD and is lactose-intolerant- they think it makes him special

but obviously in a bad way - they call him this as a nickname - im sure everyone

is cringing horribly). so, ive been looking forward to the day we could say

bye-bye to her. Well, she finally did it. But before I tell you that, i will

tell you a story that will make you smile. Lily is a very compassionate child

and before everything went sour, she was really into it but still having a hard

time because of her need to fit in and the negativity around her. So when Lily

told her dad about wanting to eat chicken, I tried to help her make the

connection about chickens and all birds because cindy has a cockateil that Lily

loves so much. So we talked about how Annabell the cockateil is a bird, and are

birds are alike including chickens and we should love them all. Well, one

morning when I was picking them up for Johnny, Cindy was trying to argue about

the vegan thing with me and was informing me of how children's mind think (as in

they dont think logically or whatever). She told me that one night Lily told

Cindy that everytime she eats chicken, she's eating Annabell. And I kinda

laughed because that was my reaction. It was funny! Then Cindy tried to blab

on about how she would never eat her animals and it's different and how she had

chickens she wouldnt eat on her family's farm because she loved them (talk about

a person in self-denial about her values between food and pets)!!! But that a

vegan would never say that to her. I told her that actually they probably

would. Since then, she really despises me. Especially since then, she

constantly hassles Johnny about our choices.

>

> Well, behind his back she told the children that she was throwing out the

vegan diet. Then when he confronted her about it at the same time she was

threatening to terminate care, she was giving him her " professional " opinion on

our diet. (yes johnny will be desperately searching for an overnight provider

that can do at least 3 nights a week - its really complicated). She claimed

that this diet is making Lily hyperactive and they don't get enough protein and

if no one else will follow it, she doesn't want to either! Can you believe this

woman!!!??!!! Johnny is soo angry at the audacity of her to go behind his back

and say this shit to his children AND the audacity of her to make decisions

against his wishes with which he has medical backing for!!! It is sickening!!!

This incident has motivated me to get become a registered dietitian either

during my masters or following so that people will actually listen to me since I

would technically be a professional.

>

> Thank you for taking the time to read all of this. Of course I welcome any

thoughts, comments, or advice. Right now we are preparing ourselves for the

trial. Everyday we are trying to come up with new solutions. Today I came up

with the idea of making a standard diet log that will be filled out daily.

Johnny wanted to start doing thta to make sure they are getting enough

nutrients, which is a great idea. But if we have a sheet and keep asking Cheri

to fill it out, then it will look better on us. Plus either cheri wont do it,

which will look badly on her or it will show how much crap she is feeding them.

We were even going to say that we want to eventually have a nutritionist analyze

them.

>

> And actually let me give a word of advice to anyone who may even come close to

dealing with something like this- Protect yourself. Don't assume that sharing

will benefit you. The guardian turned everything on us. Yes, the lawyer will

be putting her on the stand and ripping HER apart making her explain how she

came to those conclusions, but you are better off never even sharing. Document

everything but dont be so willing to share. The system is not just. You must

learn how to play the game and that's it!!! As horrible as it sounds, we try to

" manipulate " situations to set us up to look good and Cheri to fail. It is

sad that you must do this, but we made a lot of mistakes because we were honest

and very open and it has almost ruined us!

>

> Again thank you for taking the time to listen to my story. Thanks ahead of

time for any responses!!

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Amanda

> crowbabe1094

> cubancuervo

>

September 22, 2009

Shame on you, Vibeke, for depriving your poor children of all that good heart

disease, high cholesterol and cancer!

j.

________________________________

Vibeke Vale <vibekevale

Monday, September 21, 2009 6:13:05 AM

Re: No logic when it comes to diet and meat-eaters

Holy cow, Amanda, that is simply the worst thing I have heard in a long,

long time. My own ex-husband thinks he can get custody of our three

children based on us being vegetarian, too. Silliness... Good luck in

court.

On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 8:09 PM, AmandaC <crowbabe1094@ > wrote: