Jump to content
IndiaDivine.org

Soy and Fertility

Rate this topic


Guest guest

Recommended Posts

Hello all! I have been vegetarian for 33 years with some years of being vegan

during that time, as well as for the last 4 years. I have always used soy and

other beans as a main source of protein. Lately, I've been doing more research

about the effects of soy on fertility and being older, I'm wondering if this is

a factor. I've had 3 children in 18 years but also 2 miscarriages, one

recently. My husband and I want to do what we can to have a healthy pregnancy

and baby, but we just aren't sure what that is, given all of the confusing and

conflicting research. Seems that the soy industry says one thing and the dairy

industry, another. We are both very healthy with no chronic illnesses and no

hint of menopause. Any help trying to sort this out would be greatly

appreciated!!!

 

Thanks!

Shawn

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi Shawn,

I don't have the study here at hand, but a doctor on another list I'm on

has noted that flax has more phytoestrogens (the hormones that are said

by some to be a problem with soy) than soy, and that non-organic dairy

and meat products have more hormones than anything else in some of our

diets. So it makes me think that vegans and vegetarians just have much

less to worry about on this all together. :-) I'm back to not limiting

soy in our diets. I used to, due to some of the research, but now that

I've heard this other side, I think we're fine to eat soy often. Oh,

and I forgot to mention that some of the anti-soy writings are coming

out of the Weston A. Price Foundation, which is traditionally

anti-vegetarian/vegan. And remember that natural health practitioners

recommend soy as a way to regulate hormones and women often take soy

capsules to keep hormones regulated in menopause and other hormonal

change times - so it seems to actually help.

Good luck!

Lorraine

 

 

On

Behalf Of Shawn C

Monday, October 12, 2009 2:04 PM

 

Soy and Fertility

 

 

Hello all! I have been vegetarian for 33 years with some years of being

vegan during that time, as well as for the last 4 years. I have always

used soy and other beans as a main source of protein. Lately, I've been

doing more research about the effects of soy on fertility and being

older, I'm wondering if this is a factor. I've had 3 children in 18

years but also 2 miscarriages, one recently. My husband and I want to do

what we can to have a healthy pregnancy and baby, but we just aren't

sure what that is, given all of the confusing and conflicting research.

Seems that the soy industry says one thing and the dairy industry,

another. We are both very healthy with no chronic illnesses and no hint

of menopause. Any help trying to sort this out would be greatly

appreciated!!!

 

Thanks!

Shawn

 

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi-

I don't know if anyone else wants to speak to this, but I'd like to say that

just about every woman I know has had some sort of pregnancy loss- especially so

if they have more than one child. Statistically, this is so, as well- my guess

is it's a function of 'playing the pregnancy game' more often. I myself have had

4 kids in 6 years, 1 miscarriage at about 6 weeks in between #s 2 and 3. I was

pregnant again before I even got my period back, and had healthy #3 with that

pregnancy, no issues whatsoever. I started having kids at 29; I just turned 36,

so I'm 'on the old side', at least as far as fertility may be concerned (note

the sarcasm; yeah, I feel like I'm just two steps away from needing a walker at

36!). Two miscarriages in 18 years seems way less than what I would consider

excessive. I'm with Lorraine on the soy issue; I eat plenty of soy, too.

Best of luck!

j.

 

 

 

________________________________

Lorraine <ldemi

 

Tue, October 13, 2009 8:57:59 AM

RE: Soy and Fertility

 

 

Hi Shawn,

I don't have the study here at hand, but a doctor on another list I'm on

has noted that flax has more phytoestrogens (the hormones that are said

by some to be a problem with soy) than soy, and that non-organic dairy

and meat products have more hormones than anything else in some of our

diets. So it makes me think that vegans and vegetarians just have much

less to worry about on this all together. :-) I'm back to not limiting

soy in our diets. I used to, due to some of the research, but now that

I've heard this other side, I think we're fine to eat soy often. Oh,

and I forgot to mention that some of the anti-soy writings are coming

out of the Weston A. Price Foundation, which is traditionally

anti-vegetarian/ vegan. And remember that natural health practitioners

recommend soy as a way to regulate hormones and women often take soy

capsules to keep hormones regulated in menopause and other hormonal

change times - so it seems to actually help.

Good luck!

Lorraine

 

 

@gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On

Behalf Of Shawn C

Monday, October 12, 2009 2:04 PM

@gro ups.com

Soy and Fertility

 

 

Hello all! I have been vegetarian for 33 years with some years of being

vegan during that time, as well as for the last 4 years. I have always

used soy and other beans as a main source of protein. Lately, I've been

doing more research about the effects of soy on fertility and being

older, I'm wondering if this is a factor. I've had 3 children in 18

years but also 2 miscarriages, one recently. My husband and I want to do

what we can to have a healthy pregnancy and baby, but we just aren't

sure what that is, given all of the confusing and conflicting research.

Seems that the soy industry says one thing and the dairy industry,

another. We are both very healthy with no chronic illnesses and no hint

of menopause. Any help trying to sort this out would be greatly

appreciated! !!

 

Thanks!

Shawn

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I know I have read many times the statistic that 25% of pregnancies end in

miscarriage (that also takes into account losses that are so early women

just assume it's a late, heavy period -- not sure how they estimate that!).

I have been eating soy regularly for years (in form of organic soy milk and

tofu, sometimes edamame, the occasional veggie burger) and I don't think

it's causing any trouble -- I've had three healthy sons with no

miscarriages.

Heather

 

 

2009/10/13 jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick

 

>

>

> Hi-

> I don't know if anyone else wants to speak to this, but I'd like to say

> that just about every woman I know has had some sort of pregnancy loss-

> especially so if they have more than one child. Statistically, this is so,

> as well- my guess is it's a function of 'playing the pregnancy game' more

> often. I myself have had 4 kids in 6 years, 1 miscarriage at about 6 weeks

> in between #s 2 and 3. I was pregnant again before I even got my period

> back, and had healthy #3 with that pregnancy, no issues whatsoever. I

> started having kids at 29; I just turned 36, so I'm 'on the old side', at

> least as far as fertility may be concerned (note the sarcasm; yeah, I feel

> like I'm just two steps away from needing a walker at 36!). Two miscarriages

> in 18 years seems way less than what I would consider excessive. I'm with

> Lorraine on the soy issue; I eat plenty of soy, too.

> Best of luck!

> j.

>

> ________________________________

> Lorraine <ldemi <ldemi%40ucsd.edu>>

> <%40>

> Tue, October 13, 2009 8:57:59 AM

> RE: Soy and Fertility

>

>

> Hi Shawn,

> I don't have the study here at hand, but a doctor on another list I'm on

> has noted that flax has more phytoestrogens (the hormones that are said

> by some to be a problem with soy) than soy, and that non-organic dairy

> and meat products have more hormones than anything else in some of our

> diets. So it makes me think that vegans and vegetarians just have much

> less to worry about on this all together. :-) I'm back to not limiting

> soy in our diets. I used to, due to some of the research, but now that

> I've heard this other side, I think we're fine to eat soy often. Oh,

> and I forgot to mention that some of the anti-soy writings are coming

> out of the Weston A. Price Foundation, which is traditionally

> anti-vegetarian/ vegan. And remember that natural health practitioners

> recommend soy as a way to regulate hormones and women often take soy

> capsules to keep hormones regulated in menopause and other hormonal

> change times - so it seems to actually help.

> Good luck!

> Lorraine

>

>

> @gro ups.com [@gro ups.com] On

> Behalf Of Shawn C

> Monday, October 12, 2009 2:04 PM

> @gro ups.com

> Soy and Fertility

>

> Hello all! I have been vegetarian for 33 years with some years of being

> vegan during that time, as well as for the last 4 years. I have always

> used soy and other beans as a main source of protein. Lately, I've been

> doing more research about the effects of soy on fertility and being

> older, I'm wondering if this is a factor. I've had 3 children in 18

> years but also 2 miscarriages, one recently. My husband and I want to do

> what we can to have a healthy pregnancy and baby, but we just aren't

> sure what that is, given all of the confusing and conflicting research.

> Seems that the soy industry says one thing and the dairy industry,

> another. We are both very healthy with no chronic illnesses and no hint

> of menopause. Any help trying to sort this out would be greatly

> appreciated! !!

>

> Thanks!

> Shawn

>

>

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I was going to say something similar to Jenni. I was surprised when I first

started to get to know other moms (9 years ago I joined a Natural Family Group

of parents locally, but at the time I was the only veg) and found out how many

women have miscarriages. I had not experienced one myself and it was super easy

for me to get pregnant (we were already pregnant when we decided to " try " ). I

assumed (falsely I believe now and I never said this to them, of course) that my

superior diet was why I never experienced a miscarriage. Then 7 years later I

experienced one. Very early on in a pregnancy (many women probably would have

not even know they were pregnant) before I accidentally got pregnant with our

third child (now 2), I had a miscarriage...it probably would have seemed like an

extra hard cycle to many women and I didn't go to the hospital or doctor or

anything so it wasn't counted in any stats and I know many women who have gone

through the same

thing. I now have heard so many stories of miscarriages from so many different

moms that I really think it is extremely common. In fact, I only know a handful

of moms from a group of over 100 that has not had at least one miscarriage.

Many, many factors play into fertility and just because you've had a miscarriage

does not mean that there is " something wrong " fertility-wise. Some pregnancies

are just not viable for whatever reason. Not that it makes it any easier to go

through.

 

I don't think soy is a super food nor do I think it is harmful. I don't think

any food is good eaten to excess since we need a variety of foods for optimal

nutrition. Also, soy is different from other legumes so I wouldn't lump them

all together. I would stick with organic soy made in the US. There are places

like Indonesia where the tofu is preserved withformaldehyde!

Linda

A Marketplace for a Better World (Cruelty-free, Environmentally-Conscious, and

Fair Labor Products)

http://triballife.net/

http://triballifeinc.blogspot.com/

My personal blogs:

http://veganlinda.blogspot.com/

http://cucarfree.blogspot.com/

 

 

 

 

________________________________

jenni claire garverick <jennigarverick

 

Tue, October 13, 2009 12:35:07 PM

Re: Soy and Fertility

 

 

Hi-

I don't know if anyone else wants to speak to this, but I'd like to say that

just about every woman I know has had some sort of pregnancy loss- especially so

if they have more than one child. Statistically, this is so, as well- my guess

is it's a function of 'playing the pregnancy game' more often. I myself have had

4 kids in 6 years, 1 miscarriage at about 6 weeks in between #s 2 and 3. I was

pregnant again before I even got my period back, and had healthy #3 with that

pregnancy, no issues whatsoever. I started having kids at 29; I just turned 36,

so I'm 'on the old side', at least as far as fertility may be concerned (note

the sarcasm; yeah, I feel like I'm just two steps away from needing a walker at

36!). Two miscarriages in 18 years seems way less than what I would consider

excessive. I'm with Lorraine on the soy issue; I eat plenty of soy, too.

Best of luck!

j.

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Lorraine <ldemi

@gro ups.com

Tue, October 13, 2009 8:57:59 AM

RE: Soy and Fertility

 

 

Hi Shawn,

I don't have the study here at hand, but a doctor on another list I'm on

has noted that flax has more phytoestrogens (the hormones that are said

by some to be a problem with soy) than soy, and that non-organic dairy

and meat products have more hormones than anything else in some of our

diets. So it makes me think that vegans and vegetarians just have much

less to worry about on this all together. :-) I'm back to not limiting

soy in our diets. I used to, due to some of the research, but now that

I've heard this other side, I think we're fine to eat soy often. Oh,

and I forgot to mention that some of the anti-soy writings are coming

out of the Weston A. Price Foundation, which is traditionally

anti-vegetarian/ vegan. And remember that natural health practitioners

recommend soy as a way to regulate hormones and women often take soy

capsules to keep hormones regulated in menopause and other hormonal

change times - so it seems to actually help.

Good luck!

Lorraine

 

 

@gro ups.com [@ gro ups.com] On

Behalf Of Shawn C

Monday, October 12, 2009 2:04 PM

@gro ups.com

Soy and Fertility

 

Hello all! I have been vegetarian for 33 years with some years of being

vegan during that time, as well as for the last 4 years. I have always

used soy and other beans as a main source of protein. Lately, I've been

doing more research about the effects of soy on fertility and being

older, I'm wondering if this is a factor. I've had 3 children in 18

years but also 2 miscarriages, one recently. My husband and I want to do

what we can to have a healthy pregnancy and baby, but we just aren't

sure what that is, given all of the confusing and conflicting research.

Seems that the soy industry says one thing and the dairy industry,

another. We are both very healthy with no chronic illnesses and no hint

of menopause. Any help trying to sort this out would be greatly

appreciated! !!

 

Thanks!

Shawn

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Hi,

Yeah, I didn't mention that we had two miscarriages before our son -

after being vegetarians for 15 years. I was 34/almost 35 at the first

miscarriage and 36 when our son was born. But all that said, I don't

think age or diet or soy intake had anything to do with the

miscarriages. I read all the same studies - 1 in 4 pregnancies ends in

miscarriage, even more if you count the ones that happen so early that

women don't even know they're pregnant yet, and that most of the time

it's just a lack of viability, no cause or reason can really be blamed.

 

 

For fertility issues, I wouldn't focus on soy at all - I'd focus on a

healthy, organic diet, good exercise, good rest, lessening stress,

lessening exposure to toxins, stopping alcohol and caffeine, increasing

vitamins and supplements, making sure your husband is doing all the

healthy fertility stuff (avoiding hot tubs, wearing boxers, and doing

all the above health stuff, too), and just providing a healthy

environment for a pregnancy. And you could talk to a midwife or natural

practitioner about herbs and homeopathy for fertility - I took several

different tinctures and tablets during fertility treatment our midwife

did with us. And she also taught me yoga poses that increase fertility.

And something worked as we got pregnant with our lovely son soon after.

 

Best of luck!

Lorraine

 

 

On

Behalf Of jenni claire garverick

Tuesday, October 13, 2009 10:35 AM

 

Re: Soy and Fertility

 

 

Hi-

I don't know if anyone else wants to speak to this, but I'd like to say

that just about every woman I know has had some sort of pregnancy loss-

especially so if they have more than one child. Statistically, this is

so, as well- my guess is it's a function of 'playing the pregnancy game'

more often. I myself have had 4 kids in 6 years, 1 miscarriage at about

6 weeks in between #s 2 and 3. I was pregnant again before I even got my

period back, and had healthy #3 with that pregnancy, no issues

whatsoever. I started having kids at 29; I just turned 36, so I'm 'on

the old side', at least as far as fertility may be concerned (note the

sarcasm; yeah, I feel like I'm just two steps away from needing a walker

at 36!). Two miscarriages in 18 years seems way less than what I would

consider excessive. I'm with Lorraine on the soy issue; I eat plenty of

soy, too.

Best of luck!

j.

 

________________________________

Lorraine <ldemi <ldemi%40ucsd.edu> >

@gro <%40> ups.com

Tue, October 13, 2009 8:57:59 AM

RE: Soy and Fertility

 

 

Hi Shawn,

I don't have the study here at hand, but a doctor on another list I'm on

has noted that flax has more phytoestrogens (the hormones that are said

by some to be a problem with soy) than soy, and that non-organic dairy

and meat products have more hormones than anything else in some of our

diets. So it makes me think that vegans and vegetarians just have much

less to worry about on this all together. :-) I'm back to not limiting

soy in our diets. I used to, due to some of the research, but now that

I've heard this other side, I think we're fine to eat soy often. Oh,

and I forgot to mention that some of the anti-soy writings are coming

out of the Weston A. Price Foundation, which is traditionally

anti-vegetarian/ vegan. And remember that natural health practitioners

recommend soy as a way to regulate hormones and women often take soy

capsules to keep hormones regulated in menopause and other hormonal

change times - so it seems to actually help.

Good luck!

Lorraine

 

 

@gro ups.com [@gro ups.com]

On

Behalf Of Shawn C

Monday, October 12, 2009 2:04 PM

@gro ups.com

Soy and Fertility

 

Hello all! I have been vegetarian for 33 years with some years of being

vegan during that time, as well as for the last 4 years. I have always

used soy and other beans as a main source of protein. Lately, I've been

doing more research about the effects of soy on fertility and being

older, I'm wondering if this is a factor. I've had 3 children in 18

years but also 2 miscarriages, one recently. My husband and I want to do

what we can to have a healthy pregnancy and baby, but we just aren't

sure what that is, given all of the confusing and conflicting research.

Seems that the soy industry says one thing and the dairy industry,

another. We are both very healthy with no chronic illnesses and no hint

of menopause. Any help trying to sort this out would be greatly

appreciated! !!

 

Thanks!

Shawn

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

, " Shawn C " <loveandpeacemom wrote:

>

> Hello all! I have been vegetarian for 33 years with some years of being vegan

during that time, as well as for the last 4 years. I have always used soy and

other beans as a main source of protein. Lately, I've been doing more research

about the effects of soy on fertility and being older, I'm wondering if this is

a factor. I've had 3 children in 18 years but also 2 miscarriages, one

recently. My husband and I want to do what we can to have a healthy pregnancy

and baby, but we just aren't sure what that is, given all of the confusing and

conflicting research. Seems that the soy industry says one thing and the dairy

industry, another. We are both very healthy with no chronic illnesses and no

hint of menopause. Any help trying to sort this out would be greatly

appreciated!!!

>

> Thanks!

> Shawn

>

Okay I know this is strange but here is a link to get 10 free ovulation test

strips or pregnancy tests.

 

http://www.freeopks.com/

 

Also I had 2 miscarriages when I was a meat eater. As soon as I started really

caring about my health and making sure my diet was intune with my body and

values I got pregnant and had a great pregnancy. I must admit I eat way more

soy than I want to. My BF is a fake meat and potatoes kind of guy :(

 

Good Luck!

 

Amity

 

P.S. Maybe start taking some prenatal vits. and start preparing your body and

mind. Try, but not to hard. I find that if I visualize things but don't obsess

it usually goes the way I would like it to.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
×
×
  • Create New...