Guest guest Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 My husband's aunt has been diagnosed with fibromyalgia; I don't know her specific symptoms other than that she has major migraines, exhaustion, and maybe stomach ailments. Her doctor has asked her to try giving up a variety of foods to see if that helps. Being of a very Western mindset about doctors, she didn't ask questions of the doctor about why she was giving up certain foods, and she expects it to fix it all quickly; if it doesn't, she plans to quit the diet in six weeks. She is someone who normally eats a large number of very processed foods regularly, so I know she's struggling to figure out how to avoid what the doctor told her to avoid (including wheat, cane sugar, MSG, and a variety of others). I had a variety of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome symptoms, and was diagnosed with Irritable Bowl Syndrome and Interstitial Cystitis, before I found out about my gluten intolerance and food allergies. I had given up a variety of foods that only made me feel marginally better until I got the celiac/food allergy diagnoses. Once I had begun avoiding the appropriate foods, I began to feel worlds better. I'm wondering if his aunt might be the same way---if the fibromyalgia might be a set of symptoms caused by something that is actually diagnosable in a way that she could get clear guidelines about food. Is there anyone in the group who had gotten a fibromyalgia diagnosis and then mostly or entirely healed herself/himself by diet? If so, I'd love to hear about the process you went through and the changes you've made--either as a response to the whole group or as a private email to me. My husband's aunt is a wonderful woman, and we're trying to figure out the best way to support her as she deals with this. I'm glad she's gotten to the point of considering dietary changes, and I'd hate to see her get frustrated and just give up when particular changes might actually make her much better. Thanks. Sally http://aprovechar.danandsally.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 At 02:32 PM 1/8/2009, Sally wrote: >Is there anyone in the group who had gotten a fibromyalgia diagnosis and >then mostly or entirely healed herself/himself by diet? If so, I'd love to >hear about the process you went through and the changes you've made--either >as a response to the whole group or as a private email to me Yes, me. I was in agony. I was exhausted. I was swollen and just plain miserable. I now only have the symptoms if I get glutened. I took gluten and dairy out of my diet at pretty much the same time. I won't go into why, because it's a long long story, but I got them out of my diet in 1999. Immediately, I felt a lot better, but figured that could be placebo effect. I wasn't as careful as I should have been, and got contaminated a lot in my own home. I had miserable symptoms. I was on a Fentanyl patch for the pain. In 2006, my husband was diagnosed with Celiac, and our entire household went gluten free. My " fibromyalgia " disappeared within 4 weeks. And I was pregnant at the time. It got even better when I gave up meat. I noticed it was making me feel tired and kinda just bleh. Dropped it and my stomach stopped hurting and I got more energy. Sugar is also a problem for me, but I'm not as good at avoiding it. I do eat pretty low sugar, but I could do better. If I get glutened, I get a very sore back and neck. I bloat up like I'm 5 months pregnant (I'm 7, but that's another story). I get cranky, miserable, and ... Not quite irrational, but irrationally angry at things that should be minor annoyances. I get very over-reactionary to everything. Oh, and while I was " gluten-free " (but getting x-contaminated lots), I developed myoclonic seizures. Those have not gone away, but they get much much worse for a few weeks after I get glutened. Shannon p.s. If you have any more questions, I don't mind answering. And if your husband's aunt wants to talk to someone who went from a standard western diet to gluten-free and vegan (except for my local free range organic eggs and the aforementioned sugar), I have no problem with you giving her my email address. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Thanks, Shannon! I really appreciate your response. I'm going to forward it on to her, as well. Sally On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Shannon West <shanwest wrote: > At 02:32 PM 1/8/2009, Sally wrote: > >Is there anyone in the group who had gotten a fibromyalgia diagnosis and > >then mostly or entirely healed herself/himself by diet? If so, I'd love to > >hear about the process you went through and the changes you've > made--either > >as a response to the whole group or as a private email to me > > Yes, me. I was in agony. I was exhausted. I was swollen and just > plain miserable. I now only have the symptoms if I get glutened. > > I took gluten and dairy out of my diet at pretty much the same time. > I won't go into why, because it's a long long story, but I got them > out of my diet in 1999. Immediately, I felt a lot better, but figured > that could be placebo effect. I wasn't as careful as I should have > been, and got contaminated a lot in my own home. I had miserable > symptoms. I was on a Fentanyl patch for the pain. In 2006, my husband > was diagnosed with Celiac, and our entire household went gluten free. > My " fibromyalgia " disappeared within 4 weeks. And I was pregnant at > the time. It got even better when I gave up meat. I noticed it was > making me feel tired and kinda just bleh. Dropped it and my stomach > stopped hurting and I got more energy. Sugar is also a problem for > me, but I'm not as good at avoiding it. I do eat pretty low sugar, > but I could do better. > > If I get glutened, I get a very sore back and neck. I bloat up like > I'm 5 months pregnant (I'm 7, but that's another story). I get > cranky, miserable, and ... Not quite irrational, but irrationally > angry at things that should be minor annoyances. I get very > over-reactionary to everything. > > Oh, and while I was " gluten-free " (but getting x-contaminated lots), > I developed myoclonic seizures. Those have not gone away, but they > get much much worse for a few weeks after I get glutened. > > Shannon > p.s. If you have any more questions, I don't mind answering. And if > your husband's aunt wants to talk to someone who went from a standard > western diet to gluten-free and vegan (except for my local free range > organic eggs and the aforementioned sugar), I have no problem with > you giving her my email address. > > > -- " This isn't a matter of Republican and Democrat. It's not liberal. It's not conservative. It's simply common sense. This is a national emergency. . . . You have to be honest about the way the biosphere works, and we have to move this country very rapidly in a different direction. " --John Orr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 sally, i have fibromyalgia. and have had it for most of my 48 yrs. within the last 10 yrs it was diagnosed. and i must say i have learned alot about this disease. thousands of people have it but don't know it. they just accept it, that's how they feel. i thought it was normal to feel crappy everyday. i adapted and tried to overcome. just as many people that have it have just as many remedies. your husband's aunt must find what works for her. for me, i have found that a strict vegan diet has done a world of good for me. but on the other hand, FMS sometimes has no rhyme or reason for its flare ups. so just be patient with her and help her to try a vegan diet. when i started this food plan it was within the 1st few days i could tell the difference!!!!!!! to help make the transition just start with eliminating dairy product from your diet. that means no half n half in coffee, sour cream on baked potatoes and please read labels...casein is a dairy product that our FDA puts into foods to make them addictive. casein is the product for cows that goes on paper to stick to glass. and we consume it even in pasta!!!!!! so check your labels. and remember....we all do the best we can with what we have...... i feel better when i eat better. don't always do it strictly, but i try. hope you can help her ooo luella - Sally Parrott Ashbrook Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:32 PM Fibromyalgia & Diet My husband's aunt has been diagnosed with fibromyalgia; I don't know her specific symptoms other than that she has major migraines, exhaustion, and maybe stomach ailments. Her doctor has asked her to try giving up a variety of foods to see if that helps. Being of a very Western mindset about doctors, she didn't ask questions of the doctor about why she was giving up certain foods, and she expects it to fix it all quickly; if it doesn't, she plans to quit the diet in six weeks. She is someone who normally eats a large number of very processed foods regularly, so I know she's struggling to figure out how to avoid what the doctor told her to avoid (including wheat, cane sugar, MSG, and a variety of others). I had a variety of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome symptoms, and was diagnosed with Irritable Bowl Syndrome and Interstitial Cystitis, before I found out about my gluten intolerance and food allergies. I had given up a variety of foods that only made me feel marginally better until I got the celiac/food allergy diagnoses. Once I had begun avoiding the appropriate foods, I began to feel worlds better. I'm wondering if his aunt might be the same way---if the fibromyalgia might be a set of symptoms caused by something that is actually diagnosable in a way that she could get clear guidelines about food. Is there anyone in the group who had gotten a fibromyalgia diagnosis and then mostly or entirely healed herself/himself by diet? If so, I'd love to hear about the process you went through and the changes you've made--either as a response to the whole group or as a private email to me. My husband's aunt is a wonderful woman, and we're trying to figure out the best way to support her as she deals with this. I'm glad she's gotten to the point of considering dietary changes, and I'd hate to see her get frustrated and just give up when particular changes might actually make her much better. Thanks. Sally http://aprovechar.danandsally.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Hi Sally; This lady cured fibromylagia with low-fat vegan diet. http://www.drmcdougall.com/stars/star13_cheryl_lambert.html There are a few more people who mention there success on this discussion list. One lady mentions wheat as a trigger for her. http://www.drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7545 & view=next & sid=a03070d4d2f\ 5e4546608a7f474155082 Wishing you and your's all the best... Deborah My husband's aunt has been diagnosed with fibromyalgia; I don't know her specific symptoms other than that she has major migraines, exhaustion, and maybe stomach ailments. Her doctor has asked her to try giving up a variety of foods to see if that helps. Being of a very Western mindset about doctors, she didn't ask questions of the doctor about why she was giving up certain foods, and she expects it to fix it all quickly; if it doesn't, she plans to quit the diet in six weeks. She is someone who normally eats a large number of very processed foods regularly, so I know she's struggling to figure out how to avoid what the doctor told her to avoid (including wheat, cane sugar, MSG, and a variety of others). I had a variety of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome symptoms, and was diagnosed with Irritable Bowl Syndrome and Interstitial Cystitis, before I found out about my gluten intolerance and food allergies. I had given up a variety of foods that only made me feel marginally better until I got the celiac/food allergy diagnoses. Once I had begun avoiding the appropriate foods, I began to feel worlds better. I'm wondering if his aunt might be the same way---if the fibromyalgia might be a set of symptoms caused by something that is actually diagnosable in a way that she could get clear guidelines about food. Is there anyone in the group who had gotten a fibromyalgia diagnosis and then mostly or entirely healed herself/himself by diet? If so, I'd love to hear about the process you went through and the changes you've made--either as a response to the whole group or as a private email to me. My husband's aunt is a wonderful woman, and we're trying to figure out the best way to support her as she deals with this. I'm glad she's gotten to the point of considering dietary changes, and I'd hate to see her get frustrated and just give up when particular changes might actually make her much better. Thanks. Sally . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Man I am sooooo sorry to hear about this...fibro is such a miserable thing. There have been several things that helped me alot. Getting my allergies tested and getting them out of my diet. going GF/cf having my thyroid checked And the biggie was malic acid and magnesium....source naturals makes magnesium malate and it has been excellent for the pain and swollen issues. Malic acid has been a boon to many suffering with fibro and magnesium also works with the muscles. Also she might need to have her potassium levels checked...if it is low, then it will also cause the fibro to flare. Also how is doing on calcium....calcium also works with the muscles, but if she isn't absorbing it causes more issues. For us, we needed Vit k2, C, boron and phosphorus and since we live in the north...a fairly large dose of D3. hope this helps Ronni > My husband's aunt has been diagnosed with fibromyalgia; I don't know her > specific symptoms other than that she has major migraines, exhaustion, and > maybe stomach ailments. Her doctor has asked her to try giving up a variety > of foods to see if that helps. Being of a very Western mindset about > doctors, she didn't ask questions of the doctor about why she was giving up > certain foods, and she expects it to fix it all quickly; if it doesn't, she > plans to quit the diet in six weeks. She is someone who normally eats a > large number of very processed foods regularly, so I know she's struggling > to figure out how to avoid what the doctor told her to avoid (including > wheat, cane sugar, MSG, and a variety of others). > > I had a variety of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome symptoms, and was diagnosed with > Irritable Bowl Syndrome and Interstitial Cystitis, before I found out about > my gluten intolerance and food allergies. I had given up a variety of foods > that only made me feel marginally better until I got the celiac/food allergy > diagnoses. Once I had begun avoiding the appropriate foods, I began to feel > worlds better. I'm wondering if his aunt might be the same way---if the > fibromyalgia might be a set of symptoms caused by something that is actually > diagnosable in a way that she could get clear guidelines about food. > > Is there anyone in the group who had gotten a fibromyalgia diagnosis and > then mostly or entirely healed herself/himself by diet? If so, I'd love to > hear about the process you went through and the changes you've made--either > as a response to the whole group or as a private email to me. My husband's > aunt is a wonderful woman, and we're trying to figure out the best way to > support her as she deals with this. I'm glad she's gotten to the point of > considering dietary changes, and I'd hate to see her get frustrated and just > give up when particular changes might actually make her much better. > > Thanks. > > Sally > http://aprovechar.danandsally.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Hi Sally-- I have fibro, but also chronic fatigue and Lyme's so it's quite challenging to sift out which causes what. I know a GF diet helps me, of course, but I have had many clients with FM feel better on a GF diet, too. Most don't feel perfect, but they see a huge amount of improvement. The local FM support group has many people who have found the same. Sherri Lieberman has a book that talks a good deal about the link between FM and gluten http://www.amazon.com/Gluten-Connection-Sensitivity-Sabotaging-Health/dp/1594863\ 873/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1231628568 & sr=8-1 Best, Cheryl , " Sally Parrott Ashbrook " <sally.parrott wrote: > > My husband's aunt has been diagnosed with fibromyalgia; I don't know her > specific symptoms other than that she has major migraines, exhaustion, and > maybe stomach ailments. Her doctor has asked her to try giving up a variety > of foods to see if that helps. Being of a very Western mindset about > doctors, she didn't ask questions of the doctor about why she was giving up > certain foods, and she expects it to fix it all quickly; if it doesn't, she > plans to quit the diet in six weeks. She is someone who normally eats a > large number of very processed foods regularly, so I know she's struggling > to figure out how to avoid what the doctor told her to avoid (including > wheat, cane sugar, MSG, and a variety of others). > > I had a variety of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome symptoms, and was diagnosed with > Irritable Bowl Syndrome and Interstitial Cystitis, before I found out about > my gluten intolerance and food allergies. I had given up a variety of foods > that only made me feel marginally better until I got the celiac/food allergy > diagnoses. Once I had begun avoiding the appropriate foods, I began to feel > worlds better. I'm wondering if his aunt might be the same way---if the > fibromyalgia might be a set of symptoms caused by something that is actually > diagnosable in a way that she could get clear guidelines about food. > > Is there anyone in the group who had gotten a fibromyalgia diagnosis and > then mostly or entirely healed herself/himself by diet? If so, I'd love to > hear about the process you went through and the changes you've made--either > as a response to the whole group or as a private email to me. My husband's > aunt is a wonderful woman, and we're trying to figure out the best way to > support her as she deals with this. I'm glad she's gotten to the point of > considering dietary changes, and I'd hate to see her get frustrated and just > give up when particular changes might actually make her much better. > > Thanks. > > Sally > http://aprovechar.danandsally.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 In my opinion, it all gets a lot easier when we focus on discovering and living healthy lifestyle. Dr. John McDougall sees similar results for almost all his patients, no matter what their complaints, even though he recommends basically the same treatment for them all. He puts them all onto low-fat, vegan diet (excluding allergenic foods when necessary); regular, moderate daily exercise; positive attitude, etc. It hardly matters what the problems are that patients begin with, they all get healthy. He says he's one of the luckiest doctors in the world because his patients actually get well. Deborah Hi Sally-- I have fibro, but also chronic fatigue and Lyme's so it's quite challenging to sift out which causes what. <snip> Best, Cheryl . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Cheryl, I also have Lyme. Have you looked at the anti inflammatory in Ken Singleton's book on Lyme (The Lyme Disease Solution)? He has a very good, scientific explanation of the impact of chronic inflammation on the human organism. There is a four week phase that really helps you identify the triggers in your own eating. I agree with Deborah's reply and also highly recommend you take a look at the anti inflammatory diet. There are some non vegan components which I simply eliminated when following. Good luck Pat dpageau Sat, 10 Jan 2009 20:37:20 -0800 Re: Re: Fibromyalgia & Diet In my opinion, it all gets a lot easier when we focus on discovering and living healthy lifestyle. Dr. John McDougall sees similar results for almost all his patients, no matter what their complaints, even though he recommends basically the same treatment for them all. He puts them all onto low-fat, vegan diet (excluding allergenic foods when necessary); regular, moderate daily exercise; positive attitude, etc. It hardly matters what the problems are that patients begin with, they all get healthy. He says he's one of the luckiest doctors in the world because his patients actually get well. Deborah Hi Sally-- I have fibro, but also chronic fatigue and Lyme's so it's quite challenging to sift out which causes what. <snip> Best, Cheryl . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Of all the people I've ever met in real life or virtually, I have no doubt with Cheryl that she leads an immensely healthy lifestyle. I firmly believe that diet can do amazing things for our health and our bodies, but there are people who still struggle with illness of various kinds even when they do everything that everyone suggests they do for their health. I think we have to be careful not to suggest that those people can't be doing everything right and still having something go wrong. It's important to not make the failure of someone's body sound like it must be a failure of choice in every occasion. I'm not saying that is the case with you're saying, Deborah, but in general, it's a terrible failure of empathy to think everyone would be well if they just did X, Y, and Z right. Sally On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Deborah Pageau <dpageau wrote: > In my opinion, it all gets a lot easier when we focus on discovering and > living healthy lifestyle. > > Dr. John McDougall sees similar results for almost all his patients, no > matter what their complaints, even though he recommends basically the same > treatment for them all. He puts them all onto low-fat, vegan diet (excluding > allergenic foods when necessary); regular, moderate daily exercise; positive > attitude, etc. > > It hardly matters what the problems are that patients begin with, they all > get healthy. He says he's one of the luckiest doctors in the world because > his patients actually get well. > > Deborah > > > > Hi Sally-- > > I have fibro, but also chronic fatigue and Lyme's so it's quite > challenging to sift out which causes what. <snip> > > Best, Cheryl > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Sally, you've raised some interesting points, reminding me of the books by Dr. Bernie Segal. Have you read any of his stuff? Wishing you health, happiness and prosperity... Deborah Of all the people I've ever met in real life or virtually, I have no doubt with Cheryl that she leads an immensely healthy lifestyle. I firmly believe that diet can do amazing things for our health and our bodies, but there are people who still struggle with illness of various kinds even when they do everything that everyone suggests they do for their health. I think we have to be careful not to suggest that those people can't be doing everything right and still having something go wrong. It's important to not make the failure of someone's body sound like it must be a failure of choice in every occasion. I'm not saying that is the case with you're saying, Deborah, but in general, it's a terrible failure of empathy to think everyone would be well if they just did X, Y, and Z right. Sally . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Thanks, Sally. I agree...diet is a wonderful, powerful, amazing tool, but even that doesn't solve everything. I grow as much of my own food as I can, make everything lovingly from scratch, meditate (3 times daily at this point), keep a gratitude journal, have a wonderful job teaching people about good food...you get the idea. My lifestyle isn't 100% ideal, but it's as ideal as I can make it at this point in time. It helps a lot, and helps me manage my pain, but it hasn't cured me...yet. And that's ok, too. It's been an amazing journey of discovery and an interesting process. I have no doubt that I'm heading in the right direction, but I don't know when, or if, I'll get back to " normal " If I had a nickel for every doc I've seen who said they could help everyone...and yet I finally believe that I've found a doctor who will work with me as a whole person and partner with me and help me get through all of this. I consider myself quite lucky! I've found Ken Singleton's book on Lyme's quite interesting, too. Cheryl , " Sally Parrott Ashbrook " <sally.parrott wrote: > > Of all the people I've ever met in real life or virtually, I have no doubt > with Cheryl that she leads an immensely healthy lifestyle. > > I firmly believe that diet can do amazing things for our health and our > bodies, but there are people who still struggle with illness of various > kinds even when they do everything that everyone suggests they do for their > health. I think we have to be careful not to suggest that those people can't > be doing everything right and still having something go wrong. It's > important to not make the failure of someone's body sound like it must be a > failure of choice in every occasion. I'm not saying that is the case with > you're saying, Deborah, but in general, it's a terrible failure of empathy > to think everyone would be well if they just did X, Y, and Z right. > > Sally > > On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Deborah Pageau <dpageau wrote: > > > In my opinion, it all gets a lot easier when we focus on discovering and > > living healthy lifestyle. > > > > Dr. John McDougall sees similar results for almost all his patients, no > > matter what their complaints, even though he recommends basically the same > > treatment for them all. He puts them all onto low-fat, vegan diet (excluding > > allergenic foods when necessary); regular, moderate daily exercise; positive > > attitude, etc. > > > > It hardly matters what the problems are that patients begin with, they all > > get healthy. He says he's one of the luckiest doctors in the world because > > his patients actually get well. > > > > Deborah > > > > > > > > Hi Sally-- > > > > I have fibro, but also chronic fatigue and Lyme's so it's quite > > challenging to sift out which causes what. <snip> > > > > Best, Cheryl > > . > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 It took me 7 years of different symptoms until the day I woke up completely numb from head to toe on my left side. $15,000. worth of tests out of my pocket after insurance I was finally diagnosed with Multiple Schlerosis. The thing I want to say is that nothing the doctors and neurologist have me prescribed on has worked as fast and as well as this week changing to a vegan and watching gluten and magnetic jewelry. I make my own and had feeling for the first time in my feet after 3 monthes of numbness! Do what the doctors say but do anything you can on your own to try to change the disease through natural healing;) Good luck, Michelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Hi Cheryl, I have been following Singleton since Jan. 1. The first week was tough as he has egg whites and fish so I just omitted those. My husband started it today. I feel great since being on it--better than when I first eliminated gluten. I consider myself lucky, too. (even though I can't mediatate 3xdaily!) Have a great day Pat : cheryl: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 03:36:01 +0000 Re: Fibromyalgia & Diet Thanks, Sally. I agree...diet is a wonderful, powerful, amazing tool,but even that doesn't solve everything. I grow as much of my own foodas I can, make everything lovingly from scratch, meditate (3 timesdaily at this point), keep a gratitude journal, have a wonderful jobteaching people about good food...you get the idea. My lifestyle isn't100% ideal, but it's as ideal as I can make it at this point in time.It helps a lot, and helps me manage my pain, but it hasn't curedme...yet. And that's ok, too. It's been an amazing journey ofdiscovery and an interesting process. I have no doubt that I'mheading in the right direction, but I don't know when, or if, I'll getback to " normal " If I had a nickel for every doc I've seen who said they could helpeveryone...and yet I finally believe that I've found a doctor who willwork with me as a whole person and partner with me and help me getthrough all of this. I consider myself quite lucky!I've found Ken Singleton's book on Lyme's quite interesting, too.Cheryl--- In , " Sally Parrott Ashbrook " <sally.parrott wrote:>> Of all the people I've ever met in real life or virtually, I have nodoubt> with Cheryl that she leads an immensely healthy lifestyle.> > I firmly believe that diet can do amazing things for our health and our> bodies, but there are people who still struggle with illness of various> kinds even when they do everything that everyone suggests they dofor their> health. I think we have to be careful not to suggest that thosepeople can't> be doing everything right and still having something go wrong. It's> important to not make the failure of someone's body sound like itmust be a> failure of choice in every occasion. I'm not saying that is thecase with> you're saying, Deborah, but in general, it's a terrible failure ofempathy> to think everyone would be well if they just did X, Y, and Z right.> > Sally> > On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Deborah Pageau <dpageau wrote:> > > In my opinion, it all gets a lot easier when we focus ondiscovering and> > living healthy lifestyle.> >> > Dr. John McDougall sees similar results for almost all hispatients, no> > matter what their complaints, even though he recommends basicallythe same> > treatment for them all. He puts them all onto low-fat, vegan diet(excluding> > allergenic foods when necessary); regular, moderate dailyexercise; positive> > attitude, etc.> >> > It hardly matters what the problems are that patients begin with,they all> > get healthy. He says he's one of the luckiest doctors in the worldbecause> > his patients actually get well.> >> > Deborah> >> >> >> > Hi Sally--> >> > I have fibro, but also chronic fatigue and Lyme's so it's quite> > challenging to sift out which causes what. <snip>> >> > Best, Cheryl> > .> >> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> >> > > >> > > > -- > " This isn't a matter of Republican and Democrat. It's not liberal.It's not> conservative. It's simply common sense. This is a nationalemergency. . . .> You have to be honest about the way the biosphere works, and we haveto move> this country very rapidly in a different direction. " --John Orr> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2009 Report Share Posted January 12, 2009 Cheryl The woman who owns the food allergy list on foodallergynetwork/ has cured herself of some pretty horrid diseases. She discovered along the way that allergens hide is all sorts of very weird places that you wouldn't think of looking for them. She's mentored many people to full health by helping them find the hidden allergens. she might be able to help you as well. I've discovered with my RA and iritis that I have to be 100% vegan, 100% no processed foods, no sugar other than 3 fruits a day, nothing artificial and no grains. I also have to limit beans to no more than 1 cup a day and make the mainstay of my diet cruciferous veg and leafy greens. If I have any animal products I get an immediate flare, too much fruit or some other sugar, I get a flare. grains also give me flares, even the gluten free ones. as soon as I feel a flare coming on I start a water fast and I break the cycle. Dr Joel Fuhrman has been mentoring me and the difference to my life is HUGE Sherene On Jan 11, 2009, at 10:36 PM, Cheryl Harris wrote: > Thanks, Sally. I agree...diet is a wonderful, powerful, amazing tool, > but even that doesn't solve everything. I grow as much of my own food > as I can, make everything lovingly from scratch, meditate (3 times > daily at this point), keep a gratitude journal, have a wonderful job > teaching people about good food...you get the idea. My lifestyle isn't > 100% ideal, but it's as ideal as I can make it at this point in time. > It helps a lot, and helps me manage my pain, but it hasn't cured > me...yet. And that's ok, too. It's been an amazing journey of > discovery and an interesting process. I have no doubt that I'm > heading in the right direction, but I don't know when, or if, I'll get > back to " normal " > > If I had a nickel for every doc I've seen who said they could help > everyone...and yet I finally believe that I've found a doctor who will > work with me as a whole person and partner with me and help me get > through all of this. I consider myself quite lucky! > > I've found Ken Singleton's book on Lyme's quite interesting, too. > > Cheryl > , " Sally Parrott Ashbrook " > <sally.parrott wrote: >> >> Of all the people I've ever met in real life or virtually, I have no > doubt >> with Cheryl that she leads an immensely healthy lifestyle. >> >> I firmly believe that diet can do amazing things for our health and >> our >> bodies, but there are people who still struggle with illness of >> various >> kinds even when they do everything that everyone suggests they do > for their >> health. I think we have to be careful not to suggest that those > people can't >> be doing everything right and still having something go wrong. It's >> important to not make the failure of someone's body sound like it > must be a >> failure of choice in every occasion. I'm not saying that is the > case with >> you're saying, Deborah, but in general, it's a terrible failure of > empathy >> to think everyone would be well if they just did X, Y, and Z right. >> >> Sally >> >> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:37 PM, Deborah Pageau <dpageau wrote: >> >>> In my opinion, it all gets a lot easier when we focus on > discovering and >>> living healthy lifestyle. >>> >>> Dr. John McDougall sees similar results for almost all his > patients, no >>> matter what their complaints, even though he recommends basically > the same >>> treatment for them all. He puts them all onto low-fat, vegan diet > (excluding >>> allergenic foods when necessary); regular, moderate daily > exercise; positive >>> attitude, etc. >>> >>> It hardly matters what the problems are that patients begin with, > they all >>> get healthy. He says he's one of the luckiest doctors in the world > because >>> his patients actually get well. >>> >>> Deborah >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Sally-- >>> >>> I have fibro, but also chronic fatigue and Lyme's so it's quite >>> challenging to sift out which causes what. <snip> >>> >>> Best, Cheryl >>> . >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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