Quick question about meat-free diets and protein

January 24, 2009

I've been GF, egg and dairy free for some time but have not been able

to cut out meat because I have no reliable source of protein.

Maybe someone out there has some advice. In addition to the gluten

intolerance, egg and dairy allergy, these are the things I am allergic

to and thus cannot use as protein sources:

soy

legumes, beans

tree nuts, peanuts

brassicas (broccoli, brussels sprouts, kale, cabbage, mustard, etc.)

Any ideas?

January 24, 2009

Hi Amberlyn

That's quite a list of allergies! What about sunflower seeds and pumkin

seeds and sesame seeds? Coconut? (Not sure if that is in the same

family as tree nuts.)

Also, perhaps most importantly, remember that the protein obsession was

created by people who want to sell us meat and dairy and eggs. Most

westerners eat way too much protein, and it's very stressful on our

bodies (especially animal protein). Practically every vegetable and

fruit and grain contains some protein.

There's a chart on this page with the amount of protein in various

plant foods:

www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/protein.html

best wishes,

alice

On 25/01/2009, at 8:17 AM, amberlyn1 wrote:

> I've been GF, egg and dairy free for some time but have not been able

> to cut out meat because I have no reliable source of protein.

>

> Maybe someone out there has some advice. In addition to the gluten

> intolerance, egg and dairy allergy, these are the things I am allergic

> to and thus cannot use as protein sources:

>

> soy

> legumes, beans

> tree nuts, peanuts

> brassicas (broccoli, brussels sprouts, kale, cabbage, mustard, etc.)

>

> Any ideas?

>

January 24, 2009

Dr. John McDougall recommends the following diet as an " elimination diet " for

people wanting to clear their system of allergens. He also recommends it to

people with kidney disease. You will notice that it is completely vegan and

does not contain the foods you need to avoid. Even so, it provides plenty of

protein. Sadly, very few health professionals are aware of how much protein

plant foods contain, and of how little protein we actually need.

All whole plant foods contain protein. Just eat all you want of as many of the

following foods as you enjoy each day. McDougall gives more details on the

webpage. I have included his instructions for the use of this diet with the

list of foods with this email. From this webpage:

http://www.drmcdougall.com/med_allergic.html

Starches (all cooked), including: brown rice, sweet potatoes, winter squash,

taro (or poi), tapioca and rice flour, puffed rice

Most Green, Yellow, or Orange Vegetables (all cooked), including: beets, beet

greens, chard, summer squash, artichokes, celery, string beans, asparagus,

spinach, lettuce

Fruits (all cooked), non-citrus including: peaches, cranberries, apricots,

papaya, plums, prunes, cherries

Condiments: Salt only is allowed (if not restricted for other health reasons).

(This means no salad dressings, mustard, lemon juice, vinegar, as well as other

condiments.)

Beverages: water

(McDougall's instructions) After a week on this kind of fare, your food

allergies should have ended and you should be feeling well. If this is the case,

then you should begin to add other foods to the diet, but only one at a time, to

determine if any of them causes your allergic reactions. For testing purposes,

each " new " food should be eaten in large amounts three times a day for two days.

If the food does not cause a reaction, you can conclude that it is

nonallergenic. Most reactions occur within a few hours, but some do not show up

for several days. Each food must be tested individually; do not introduce two

new foods at once. When you do have an allergic reaction to a specific food, you

must wait four to seven days before testing the next item. This interval gives

you the time you need to clear your system of that allergy-causing food. (end of

quote from website)

(My comment) By going through this process, there's a good chance that your

system will settle down and become more toleraant of a wider variety of foods.

Although it seems you have been clinging to eating meat out of fear of not

getting enough protein, eating meat may actually have been hurting you more than

helping. Eating meat is a common trigger for autoimmune disease and may have

been triggering such a broad spectrum reaction. Going fully vegan may help your

immune system calm down; and may help you feel more serene and happy too.

Wishing you all the best, please keep in touch with us...

Deborah

I've been GF, egg and dairy free for some time but have not been able

to cut out meat because I have no reliable source of protein.

Maybe someone out there has some advice. In addition to the gluten

intolerance, egg and dairy allergy, these are the things I am allergic

to and thus cannot use as protein sources:

soy

legumes, beans

tree nuts, peanuts

brassicas (broccoli, brussels sprouts, kale, cabbage, mustard, etc.)

Any ideas?

.

January 24, 2009

Hi Alice,

Thanks for the link. I'm going to look at it now.

Seeds I can do, the only problem I have is finding a source that

hasn't also used their equipment for soy or nut products. Coconut I

love, and it's a good thing since I use it quite a bit.

, Alice Leonard

<alice wrote:

>

> Hi Amberlyn

> That's quite a list of allergies! What about sunflower seeds and pumkin

> seeds and sesame seeds? Coconut?

January 24, 2009

Studies have shown that a diet of complex carbohydrates that has

enough calories to sustain life will also have enough protein, with

very few exceptions, the only one that I know of being cassava. If

you eat a diet solely based on cassava, then even if you are getting

enough calories, you will not be getting enough protein. Most protein

deficiency disease is not protein deficiency it is protein and caloric

malnutrition.

Any other plant foods that you choose to base your diet on should have

enough protein, whether it is greens, rice, potatoes, etc.

Some suggestions for higher protein foods are:

- quinoa, teff, other whole grains (brown rice, wild rice, corn,

sorghum, millet, etc.)

- hemp, chia, flax seed

- seeds of gourds/melons (pumpkin seeds, cantaloupe seeds, etc. -

harvest them yourself to be sure there is no cross contamination) and

of tropical fruits such as jackfruit and durian

- algae

- greens from the goosefoot family - beets, spinach, chard, thistle, etc.

- greens from the composite family - lettuces, endive, escarole, chicory, etc.

- cashew or pistachio is you are allowed (they are not tree nuts, they

are in the mango family, but you would have to be careful of

cross-contamination issues or similar proteins)

- coconut (ditto - start with a whole coconut and process it yourself)

- sunflower, sesame, pine nuts (ditto)

- macadamia nuts (ditto)

I will send you my food families chart privately, to help you

brainstorm what you *can* eat.

Pam

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Deborah Pageau <dpageau wrote:

> Dr. John McDougall recommends the following diet as an " elimination diet "

> for people wanting to clear their system of allergens. He also recommends it

> to people with kidney disease. You will notice that it is completely vegan

> and does not contain the foods you need to avoid. Even so, it provides

> plenty of protein. Sadly, very few health professionals are aware of how

> much protein plant foods contain, and of how little protein we actually

> need.

>

> All whole plant foods contain protein. Just eat all you want of as many of

> the following foods as you enjoy each day. McDougall gives more details on

> the webpage. I have included his instructions for the use of this diet with

> the list of foods with this email. From this webpage:

> http://www.drmcdougall.com/med_allergic.html

>

> Starches (all cooked), including: brown rice, sweet potatoes, winter squash,

> taro (or poi), tapioca and rice flour, puffed rice

> Most Green, Yellow, or Orange Vegetables (all cooked), including: beets,

> beet greens, chard, summer squash, artichokes, celery, string beans,

> asparagus, spinach, lettuce

> Fruits (all cooked), non-citrus including: peaches, cranberries, apricots,

> papaya, plums, prunes, cherries

> Condiments: Salt only is allowed (if not restricted for other health

> reasons). (This means no salad dressings, mustard, lemon juice, vinegar, as

> well as other condiments.)

>

> Beverages: water

> (McDougall's instructions) After a week on this kind of fare, your food

> allergies should have ended and you should be feeling well. If this is the

> case, then you should begin to add other foods to the diet, but only one at

> a time, to determine if any of them causes your allergic reactions. For

> testing purposes, each " new " food should be eaten in large amounts three

> times a day for two days.

>

> If the food does not cause a reaction, you can conclude that it is

> nonallergenic. Most reactions occur within a few hours, but some do not show

> up for several days. Each food must be tested individually; do not introduce

> two new foods at once. When you do have an allergic reaction to a specific

> food, you must wait four to seven days before testing the next item. This

> interval gives you the time you need to clear your system of that

> allergy-causing food. (end of quote from website)

>

> (My comment) By going through this process, there's a good chance that your

> system will settle down and become more toleraant of a wider variety of

> foods. Although it seems you have been clinging to eating meat out of fear

> of not getting enough protein, eating meat may actually have been hurting

> you more than helping. Eating meat is a common trigger for autoimmune

> disease and may have been triggering such a broad spectrum reaction. Going

> fully vegan may help your immune system calm down; and may help you feel

> more serene and happy too.

> Wishing you all the best, please keep in touch with us...

>

> Deborah

>

> I've been GF, egg and dairy free for some time but have not been able

> to cut out meat because I have no reliable source of protein.

>

> Maybe someone out there has some advice. In addition to the gluten

> intolerance, egg and dairy allergy, these are the things I am allergic

> to and thus cannot use as protein sources:

>

> soy

> legumes, beans

> tree nuts, peanuts

> brassicas (broccoli, brussels sprouts, kale, cabbage, mustard, etc.)

>

> Any ideas?

> .

>

January 24, 2009

PS, sometimes we want something that is heartier in texture or can

substitute for meat in various dishes, rather than actually craving

something high in protein.

I would suggest mushrooms, whole grains, homemade grain and seed

burgers, mochi, gluten-free seiten (I've got a recipe here somewhere),

rice cakes (not the crunchy popcorny ones, but a sort of pasta you can

get at an asian market), squash, etc.

Pam

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 3:31 PM, pdw <pdworkman wrote:

> Studies have shown that a diet of complex carbohydrates that has

> enough calories to sustain life will also have enough protein, with

> very few exceptions, the only one that I know of being cassava. If

> you eat a diet solely based on cassava, then even if you are getting

> enough calories, you will not be getting enough protein. Most protein

> deficiency disease is not protein deficiency it is protein and caloric

> malnutrition.

>

> Any other plant foods that you choose to base your diet on should have

> enough protein, whether it is greens, rice, potatoes, etc.

>

> Some suggestions for higher protein foods are:

> - quinoa, teff, other whole grains (brown rice, wild rice, corn,

> sorghum, millet, etc.)

> - hemp, chia, flax seed

> - seeds of gourds/melons (pumpkin seeds, cantaloupe seeds, etc. -

> harvest them yourself to be sure there is no cross contamination) and

> of tropical fruits such as jackfruit and durian

> - algae

> - greens from the goosefoot family - beets, spinach, chard, thistle, etc.

> - greens from the composite family - lettuces, endive, escarole, chicory, etc.

> - cashew or pistachio is you are allowed (they are not tree nuts, they

> are in the mango family, but you would have to be careful of

> cross-contamination issues or similar proteins)

> - coconut (ditto - start with a whole coconut and process it yourself)

> - sunflower, sesame, pine nuts (ditto)

> - macadamia nuts (ditto)

>

> I will send you my food families chart privately, to help you

> brainstorm what you *can* eat.

>

> Pam

>

> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Deborah Pageau <dpageau wrote:

>> Dr. John McDougall recommends the following diet as an " elimination diet "

>> for people wanting to clear their system of allergens. He also recommends it

>> to people with kidney disease. You will notice that it is completely vegan

>> and does not contain the foods you need to avoid. Even so, it provides

>> plenty of protein. Sadly, very few health professionals are aware of how

>> much protein plant foods contain, and of how little protein we actually

>> need.

>>

>> All whole plant foods contain protein. Just eat all you want of as many of

>> the following foods as you enjoy each day. McDougall gives more details on

>> the webpage. I have included his instructions for the use of this diet with

>> the list of foods with this email. From this webpage:

>> http://www.drmcdougall.com/med_allergic.html

>>

>> Starches (all cooked), including: brown rice, sweet potatoes, winter squash,

>> taro (or poi), tapioca and rice flour, puffed rice

>> Most Green, Yellow, or Orange Vegetables (all cooked), including: beets,

>> beet greens, chard, summer squash, artichokes, celery, string beans,

>> asparagus, spinach, lettuce

>> Fruits (all cooked), non-citrus including: peaches, cranberries, apricots,

>> papaya, plums, prunes, cherries

>> Condiments: Salt only is allowed (if not restricted for other health

>> reasons). (This means no salad dressings, mustard, lemon juice, vinegar, as

>> well as other condiments.)

>>

>> Beverages: water

>> (McDougall's instructions) After a week on this kind of fare, your food

>> allergies should have ended and you should be feeling well. If this is the

>> case, then you should begin to add other foods to the diet, but only one at

>> a time, to determine if any of them causes your allergic reactions. For

>> testing purposes, each " new " food should be eaten in large amounts three

>> times a day for two days.

>>

>> If the food does not cause a reaction, you can conclude that it is

>> nonallergenic. Most reactions occur within a few hours, but some do not show

>> up for several days. Each food must be tested individually; do not introduce

>> two new foods at once. When you do have an allergic reaction to a specific

>> food, you must wait four to seven days before testing the next item. This

>> interval gives you the time you need to clear your system of that

>> allergy-causing food. (end of quote from website)

>>

>> (My comment) By going through this process, there's a good chance that your

>> system will settle down and become more toleraant of a wider variety of

>> foods. Although it seems you have been clinging to eating meat out of fear

>> of not getting enough protein, eating meat may actually have been hurting

>> you more than helping. Eating meat is a common trigger for autoimmune

>> disease and may have been triggering such a broad spectrum reaction. Going

>> fully vegan may help your immune system calm down; and may help you feel

>> more serene and happy too.

>> Wishing you all the best, please keep in touch with us...

>>

>> Deborah

>>

>> I've been GF, egg and dairy free for some time but have not been able

>> to cut out meat because I have no reliable source of protein.

>>

>> Maybe someone out there has some advice. In addition to the gluten

>> intolerance, egg and dairy allergy, these are the things I am allergic

>> to and thus cannot use as protein sources:

>>

>> soy

>> legumes, beans

>> tree nuts, peanuts

>> brassicas (broccoli, brussels sprouts, kale, cabbage, mustard, etc.)

>>

>> Any ideas?

>> .

>>

January 25, 2009

Isn't seitan a soy product?

, pdw <pdworkman wrote:

>

> PS, sometimes we want something that is heartier in texture or can

> substitute for meat in various dishes, rather than actually craving

> something high in protein.

>

> I would suggest mushrooms, whole grains, homemade grain and seed

> burgers, mochi, gluten-free seiten (I've got a recipe here somewhere),

> rice cakes (not the crunchy popcorny ones, but a sort of pasta you can

> get at an asian market), squash, etc.

>

January 25, 2009

, pdw <pdworkman

wrote:

>

> PS, sometimes we want something that is heartier in texture or can

> substitute for meat in various dishes, rather than actually craving

> something high in protein.

>

> I would suggest mushrooms, whole grains, homemade grain and seed

> burgers, mochi, gluten-free seiten (I've got a recipe here

somewhere),

> rice cakes (not the crunchy popcorny ones, but a sort of pasta you

can

> get at an asian market), squash, etc.

>

> Pam

>

> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 3:31 PM, pdw <pdworkman wrote:

> > Studies have shown that a diet of complex carbohydrates that has

> > enough calories to sustain life will also have enough protein,

with

> > very few exceptions, the only one that I know of being cassava.

If

> > you eat a diet solely based on cassava, then even if you are

getting

> > enough calories, you will not be getting enough protein. Most

protein

> > deficiency disease is not protein deficiency it is protein and

caloric

> > malnutrition.

> >

> > Any other plant foods that you choose to base your diet on

should have

> > enough protein, whether it is greens, rice, potatoes, etc.

> >

> > Some suggestions for higher protein foods are:

> > - quinoa, teff, other whole grains (brown rice, wild rice, corn,

> > sorghum, millet, etc.)

> > - hemp, chia, flax seed

> > - seeds of gourds/melons (pumpkin seeds, cantaloupe seeds, etc. -

> > harvest them yourself to be sure there is no cross

contamination) and

> > of tropical fruits such as jackfruit and durian

> > - algae

> > - greens from the goosefoot family - beets, spinach, chard,

thistle, etc.

> > - greens from the composite family - lettuces, endive, escarole,

chicory, etc.

> > - cashew or pistachio is you are allowed (they are not tree

nuts, they

> > are in the mango family, but you would have to be careful of

> > cross-contamination issues or similar proteins)

> > - coconut (ditto - start with a whole coconut and process it

yourself)

> > - sunflower, sesame, pine nuts (ditto)

> > - macadamia nuts (ditto)

> >

> > I will send you my food families chart privately, to help you

> > brainstorm what you *can* eat.

> >

> > Pam

> >

> > On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Deborah Pageau <dpageau

wrote:

> >> Dr. John McDougall recommends the following diet as

an " elimination diet "

> >> for people wanting to clear their system of allergens. He also

recommends it

> >> to people with kidney disease. You will notice that it is

completely vegan

> >> and does not contain the foods you need to avoid. Even so, it

provides

> >> plenty of protein. Sadly, very few health professionals are

aware of how

> >> much protein plant foods contain, and of how little protein we

actually

> >> need.

> >>

> >> All whole plant foods contain protein. Just eat all you want of

as many of

> >> the following foods as you enjoy each day. McDougall gives more

details on

> >> the webpage. I have included his instructions for the use of

this diet with

> >> the list of foods with this email. From this webpage:

> >> http://www.drmcdougall.com/med_allergic.html

> >>

> >> Starches (all cooked), including: brown rice, sweet potatoes,

winter squash,

> >> taro (or poi), tapioca and rice flour, puffed rice

> >> Most Green, Yellow, or Orange Vegetables (all cooked),

including: beets,

> >> beet greens, chard, summer squash, artichokes, celery, string

beans,

> >> asparagus, spinach, lettuce

> >> Fruits (all cooked), non-citrus including: peaches,

cranberries, apricots,

> >> papaya, plums, prunes, cherries

> >> Condiments: Salt only is allowed (if not restricted for other

health

> >> reasons). (This means no salad dressings, mustard, lemon juice,

vinegar, as

> >> well as other condiments.)

> >>

> >> Beverages: water

> >> (McDougall's instructions) After a week on this kind of fare,

your food

> >> allergies should have ended and you should be feeling well. If

this is the

> >> case, then you should begin to add other foods to the diet, but

only one at

> >> a time, to determine if any of them causes your allergic

reactions. For

> >> testing purposes, each " new " food should be eaten in large

amounts three

> >> times a day for two days.

> >>

> >> If the food does not cause a reaction, you can conclude that it

is

> >> nonallergenic. Most reactions occur within a few hours, but

some do not show

> >> up for several days. Each food must be tested individually; do

not introduce

> >> two new foods at once. When you do have an allergic reaction to

a specific

> >> food, you must wait four to seven days before testing the next

item. This

> >> interval gives you the time you need to clear your system of

that

> >> allergy-causing food. (end of quote from website)

> >>

> >> (My comment) By going through this process, there's a good

chance that your

> >> system will settle down and become more toleraant of a wider

variety of

> >> foods. Although it seems you have been clinging to eating meat

out of fear

> >> of not getting enough protein, eating meat may actually have

been hurting

> >> you more than helping. Eating meat is a common trigger for

autoimmune

> >> disease and may have been triggering such a broad spectrum

reaction. Going

> >> fully vegan may help your immune system calm down; and may help

you feel

> >> more serene and happy too.

> >> Wishing you all the best, please keep in touch with us...

> >>

> >> Deborah

> >>

> >> I've been GF, egg and dairy free for some time but have not

been able

> >> to cut out meat because I have no reliable source of protein.

> >>

> >> Maybe someone out there has some advice. In addition to the

gluten

> >> intolerance, egg and dairy allergy, these are the things I am

allergic

> >> to and thus cannot use as protein sources:

> >>

> >> soy

> >> legumes, beans

> >> tree nuts, peanuts

> >> brassicas (broccoli, brussels sprouts, kale, cabbage, mustard,

etc.)

> >>

> >> Any ideas?

> >> .

> >>

January 25, 2009

-Pam - am curious about your gluten free seitan. Seitan is

something I really miss, cant find it in the files. Could you post

the recipe please.

Tks

-- In , pdw <pdworkman

wrote:

>

> PS, sometimes we want something that is heartier in texture or can

> substitute for meat in various dishes, rather than actually craving

> something high in protein.

>

> I would suggest mushrooms, whole grains, homemade grain and seed

> burgers, mochi, gluten-free seiten (I've got a recipe here

somewhere),

> rice cakes (not the crunchy popcorny ones, but a sort of pasta you

can

> get at an asian market), squash, etc.

>

> Pam

>

> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 3:31 PM, pdw <pdworkman wrote:

> > Studies have shown that a diet of complex carbohydrates that has

> > enough calories to sustain life will also have enough protein,

with

> > very few exceptions, the only one that I know of being cassava.

If

> > you eat a diet solely based on cassava, then even if you are

getting

> > enough calories, you will not be getting enough protein. Most

protein

> > deficiency disease is not protein deficiency it is protein and

caloric

> > malnutrition.

> >

> > Any other plant foods that you choose to base your diet on

should have

> > enough protein, whether it is greens, rice, potatoes, etc.

> >

> > Some suggestions for higher protein foods are:

> > - quinoa, teff, other whole grains (brown rice, wild rice, corn,

> > sorghum, millet, etc.)

> > - hemp, chia, flax seed

> > - seeds of gourds/melons (pumpkin seeds, cantaloupe seeds, etc. -

> > harvest them yourself to be sure there is no cross

contamination) and

> > of tropical fruits such as jackfruit and durian

> > - algae

> > - greens from the goosefoot family - beets, spinach, chard,

thistle, etc.

> > - greens from the composite family - lettuces, endive, escarole,

chicory, etc.

> > - cashew or pistachio is you are allowed (they are not tree

nuts, they

> > are in the mango family, but you would have to be careful of

> > cross-contamination issues or similar proteins)

> > - coconut (ditto - start with a whole coconut and process it

yourself)

> > - sunflower, sesame, pine nuts (ditto)

> > - macadamia nuts (ditto)

> >

> > I will send you my food families chart privately, to help you

> > brainstorm what you *can* eat.

> >

> > Pam

> >

> > On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Deborah Pageau <dpageau

wrote:

> >> Dr. John McDougall recommends the following diet as

an " elimination diet "

> >> for people wanting to clear their system of allergens. He also

recommends it

> >> to people with kidney disease. You will notice that it is

completely vegan

> >> and does not contain the foods you need to avoid. Even so, it

provides

> >> plenty of protein. Sadly, very few health professionals are

aware of how

> >> much protein plant foods contain, and of how little protein we

actually

> >> need.

> >>

> >> All whole plant foods contain protein. Just eat all you want of

as many of

> >> the following foods as you enjoy each day. McDougall gives more

details on

> >> the webpage. I have included his instructions for the use of

this diet with

> >> the list of foods with this email. From this webpage:

> >> http://www.drmcdougall.com/med_allergic.html

> >>

> >> Starches (all cooked), including: brown rice, sweet potatoes,

winter squash,

> >> taro (or poi), tapioca and rice flour, puffed rice

> >> Most Green, Yellow, or Orange Vegetables (all cooked),

including: beets,

> >> beet greens, chard, summer squash, artichokes, celery, string

beans,

> >> asparagus, spinach, lettuce

> >> Fruits (all cooked), non-citrus including: peaches,

cranberries, apricots,

> >> papaya, plums, prunes, cherries

> >> Condiments: Salt only is allowed (if not restricted for other

health

> >> reasons). (This means no salad dressings, mustard, lemon juice,

vinegar, as

> >> well as other condiments.)

> >>

> >> Beverages: water

> >> (McDougall's instructions) After a week on this kind of fare,

your food

> >> allergies should have ended and you should be feeling well. If

this is the

> >> case, then you should begin to add other foods to the diet, but

only one at

> >> a time, to determine if any of them causes your allergic

reactions. For

> >> testing purposes, each " new " food should be eaten in large

amounts three

> >> times a day for two days.

> >>

> >> If the food does not cause a reaction, you can conclude that it

is

> >> nonallergenic. Most reactions occur within a few hours, but

some do not show

> >> up for several days. Each food must be tested individually; do

not introduce

> >> two new foods at once. When you do have an allergic reaction to

a specific

> >> food, you must wait four to seven days before testing the next

item. This

> >> interval gives you the time you need to clear your system of

that

> >> allergy-causing food. (end of quote from website)

> >>

> >> (My comment) By going through this process, there's a good

chance that your

> >> system will settle down and become more toleraant of a wider

variety of

> >> foods. Although it seems you have been clinging to eating meat

out of fear

> >> of not getting enough protein, eating meat may actually have

been hurting

> >> you more than helping. Eating meat is a common trigger for

autoimmune

> >> disease and may have been triggering such a broad spectrum

reaction. Going

> >> fully vegan may help your immune system calm down; and may help

you feel

> >> more serene and happy too.

> >> Wishing you all the best, please keep in touch with us...

> >>

> >> Deborah

> >>

> >> I've been GF, egg and dairy free for some time but have not

been able

> >> to cut out meat because I have no reliable source of protein.

> >>

> >> Maybe someone out there has some advice. In addition to the

gluten

> >> intolerance, egg and dairy allergy, these are the things I am

allergic

> >> to and thus cannot use as protein sources:

> >>

> >> soy

> >> legumes, beans

> >> tree nuts, peanuts

> >> brassicas (broccoli, brussels sprouts, kale, cabbage, mustard,

etc.)

> >>

> >> Any ideas?

> >> .

> >>

January 25, 2009

If after trying all the ideas you find your still not getting enough

protein, you could consider eating fish and/or meat on occasion. I have a

lot of issues with my health and eat virtually no protein because of it. My

creatine levels are dangerously low and I have malabsorption due to chronic

pancreatitis, among other problems! I only consume about 600-800 calories a

day and about 5 grams of protein if that a day! (This is not healthy! I

physically can't eat much!) About once or twice a month I eat fish in an

effort to boost my protein and improve my levels.( I'm allergic to most

meats.) Having been vegan for many years and having ethical issues about

eating animals it took me several months to finally break down and eat a

fish. I'm not proud of it but it's helping keep me alive to some degree! You

have to really evaluate your situation and talk with a holistic nutritionist

or similar type person who has an understanding of food allergies and can

really help you work out a balanced menu plan that you can be healthy on.

Your health has to be the first priority! Everybody is different and

requires different amounts of things. If you need to eat animals on occasion

to maintain your health then do it. There are meats from humanely treated

animals. I know there's a lot of contiversy around this! I personally like

to thank the spirit of the animal for sacrificing it's life so that I can

live. (A Native American tradition.) Simply put, figure out what works for

you and go with it!

*I know many people do not approve of this advice for ethical reasons.

Ethically, some people do need to consume some animals on occasion for their

own health and well being! To endanger your own health and risk your own

life to save an animal that's already dead is just stupid! Not trying to

start a war of ethics here, just pointing out that one should put their

health and well being first! If you don't take care of yourself and make

sure your meeting your nutritional requirements, nobody else will! This is

an issue of health! So please don't start a radical war with me over this! Most

people can survive on the diet without sacrificing health! Not all can!*

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 2:17 PM, amberlyn1 <amber_brown wrote:

> I've been GF, egg and dairy free for some time but have not been able

> to cut out meat because I have no reliable source of protein.

>

> Maybe someone out there has some advice. In addition to the gluten

> intolerance, egg and dairy allergy, these are the things I am allergic

> to and thus cannot use as protein sources:

>

> soy

> legumes, beans

> tree nuts, peanuts

> brassicas (broccoli, brussels sprouts, kale, cabbage, mustard, etc.)

>

> Any ideas?

>

January 25, 2009

Here's the one I was thinking of:

http://asparagusthin.blogspot.com/2008/11/gluten-free-gluten.html

Pam

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:45 PM, hollyhedge_2004 <bethbell wrote:

> -Pam - am curious about your gluten free seitan. Seitan is

> something I really miss, cant find it in the files. Could you post

> the recipe please.

> Tks

>

> -- In , pdw <pdworkman

> wrote:

>

>>

>> PS, sometimes we want something that is heartier in texture or can

>> substitute for meat in various dishes, rather than actually craving

>> something high in protein.

>>

>> I would suggest mushrooms, whole grains, homemade grain and seed

>> burgers, mochi, gluten-free seiten (I've got a recipe here

> somewhere),

>> rice cakes (not the crunchy popcorny ones, but a sort of pasta you

> can

>> get at an asian market), squash, etc.

>>

>> Pam

>>

>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 3:31 PM, pdw <pdworkman wrote:

>> > Studies have shown that a diet of complex carbohydrates that has

>> > enough calories to sustain life will also have enough protein,

> with

>> > very few exceptions, the only one that I know of being cassava.

> If

>> > you eat a diet solely based on cassava, then even if you are

> getting

>> > enough calories, you will not be getting enough protein. Most

> protein

>> > deficiency disease is not protein deficiency it is protein and

> caloric

>> > malnutrition.

>> >

>> > Any other plant foods that you choose to base your diet on

> should have

>> > enough protein, whether it is greens, rice, potatoes, etc.

>> >

>> > Some suggestions for higher protein foods are:

>> > - quinoa, teff, other whole grains (brown rice, wild rice, corn,

>> > sorghum, millet, etc.)

>> > - hemp, chia, flax seed

>> > - seeds of gourds/melons (pumpkin seeds, cantaloupe seeds, etc. -

>> > harvest them yourself to be sure there is no cross

> contamination) and

>> > of tropical fruits such as jackfruit and durian

>> > - algae

>> > - greens from the goosefoot family - beets, spinach, chard,

> thistle, etc.

>> > - greens from the composite family - lettuces, endive, escarole,

> chicory, etc.

>> > - cashew or pistachio is you are allowed (they are not tree

> nuts, they

>> > are in the mango family, but you would have to be careful of

>> > cross-contamination issues or similar proteins)

>> > - coconut (ditto - start with a whole coconut and process it

> yourself)

>> > - sunflower, sesame, pine nuts (ditto)

>> > - macadamia nuts (ditto)

>> >

>> > I will send you my food families chart privately, to help you

>> > brainstorm what you *can* eat.

>> >

>> > Pam

>> >

>> > On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Deborah Pageau <dpageau

> wrote:

>> >> Dr. John McDougall recommends the following diet as

> an " elimination diet "

>> >> for people wanting to clear their system of allergens. He also

> recommends it

>> >> to people with kidney disease. You will notice that it is

> completely vegan

>> >> and does not contain the foods you need to avoid. Even so, it

> provides

>> >> plenty of protein. Sadly, very few health professionals are

> aware of how

>> >> much protein plant foods contain, and of how little protein we

> actually

>> >> need.

>> >>

>> >> All whole plant foods contain protein. Just eat all you want of

> as many of

>> >> the following foods as you enjoy each day. McDougall gives more

> details on

>> >> the webpage. I have included his instructions for the use of

> this diet with

>> >> the list of foods with this email. From this webpage:

>> >> http://www.drmcdougall.com/med_allergic.html

>> >>

>> >> Starches (all cooked), including: brown rice, sweet potatoes,

> winter squash,

>> >> taro (or poi), tapioca and rice flour, puffed rice

>> >> Most Green, Yellow, or Orange Vegetables (all cooked),

> including: beets,

>> >> beet greens, chard, summer squash, artichokes, celery, string

> beans,

>> >> asparagus, spinach, lettuce

>> >> Fruits (all cooked), non-citrus including: peaches,

> cranberries, apricots,

>> >> papaya, plums, prunes, cherries

>> >> Condiments: Salt only is allowed (if not restricted for other

> health

>> >> reasons). (This means no salad dressings, mustard, lemon juice,

> vinegar, as

>> >> well as other condiments.)

>> >>

>> >> Beverages: water

>> >> (McDougall's instructions) After a week on this kind of fare,

> your food

>> >> allergies should have ended and you should be feeling well. If

> this is the

>> >> case, then you should begin to add other foods to the diet, but

> only one at

>> >> a time, to determine if any of them causes your allergic

> reactions. For

>> >> testing purposes, each " new " food should be eaten in large

> amounts three

>> >> times a day for two days.

>> >>

>> >> If the food does not cause a reaction, you can conclude that it

> is

>> >> nonallergenic. Most reactions occur within a few hours, but

> some do not show

>> >> up for several days. Each food must be tested individually; do

> not introduce

>> >> two new foods at once. When you do have an allergic reaction to

> a specific

>> >> food, you must wait four to seven days before testing the next

> item. This

>> >> interval gives you the time you need to clear your system of

> that

>> >> allergy-causing food. (end of quote from website)

>> >>

>> >> (My comment) By going through this process, there's a good

> chance that your

>> >> system will settle down and become more toleraant of a wider

> variety of

>> >> foods. Although it seems you have been clinging to eating meat

> out of fear

>> >> of not getting enough protein, eating meat may actually have

> been hurting

>> >> you more than helping. Eating meat is a common trigger for

> autoimmune

>> >> disease and may have been triggering such a broad spectrum

> reaction. Going

>> >> fully vegan may help your immune system calm down; and may help

> you feel

>> >> more serene and happy too.

>> >> Wishing you all the best, please keep in touch with us...

>> >>

>> >> Deborah

>> >>

>> >> I've been GF, egg and dairy free for some time but have not

> been able

>> >> to cut out meat because I have no reliable source of protein.

>> >>

>> >> Maybe someone out there has some advice. In addition to the

> gluten

>> >> intolerance, egg and dairy allergy, these are the things I am

> allergic

>> >> to and thus cannot use as protein sources:

>> >>

>> >> soy

>> >> legumes, beans

>> >> tree nuts, peanuts

>> >> brassicas (broccoli, brussels sprouts, kale, cabbage, mustard,

> etc.)

>> >>

>> >> Any ideas?

>> >> .

>> >>

January 25, 2009

No, it is normally wheat gluten.

Pam

On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 5:43 PM, amberlyn1 <amber_brown wrote:

> Isn't seitan a soy product?

>

> , pdw <pdworkman wrote:

>>

>> PS, sometimes we want something that is heartier in texture or can

>> substitute for meat in various dishes, rather than actually craving

>> something high in protein.

>>

>> I would suggest mushrooms, whole grains, homemade grain and seed

>> burgers, mochi, gluten-free seiten (I've got a recipe here somewhere),

>> rice cakes (not the crunchy popcorny ones, but a sort of pasta you can

>> get at an asian market), squash, etc.

>>

>

January 25, 2009

I would also suggest looking into enzymes like housten enzymes. We have had

great relief with them.

Kelli

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 24, 2009, at 11:55 AM, " Deborah Pageau " <dpageau wrote:

Dr. John McDougall recommends the following diet as an " elimination diet " for

people wanting to clear their system of allergens. He also recommends it to

people with kidney disease. You will notice that it is completely vegan and does

not contain the foods you need to avoid. Even so, it provides plenty of protein.

Sadly, very few health professionals are aware of how much protein plant foods

contain, and of how little protein we actually need.

All whole plant foods contain protein. Just eat all you want of as many of the

following foods as you enjoy each day. McDougall gives more details on the

webpage. I have included his instructions for the use of this diet with the list

of foods with this email. From this webpage: