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http://celiacdisease.about.com/od/symptomsofceliacdisease/a/refractorysprue.htm

 

The link is to some more information. In a previous discussion I had

discussed having iron deficiency anemia which was not improving with

treatment and all common factors had been eliminated as a cause. My GI

doctor has identified a rare form of celiac called refractory disease,

in which despite the strict gluten free diet I will continue to have

some issues. I have constant bone pain which has been linked to this

condition as there is no other explanation for it. I wanted to share

this with the group in case there is someone out there who is

continuing to have pain or health issues that won't go away, so you

can discuss this with your doctor and take the necessary steps to keep

yourself as healthy as possible. This is very rare but very serious! I

sincerely hope that none of you have this. Just passing along the info

for whatever good it may do!

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There's a gastroenterologist in Atlanta---Harry Delcher---who believes that

avoiding gluten doesn't go far enough for many people with gluten

intolerance. He recommends cutting out a variety of other foods in addition

to the glutenous ones. Harry's the person who started me on this

gluten-free, allergen-free path by telling me, " I can tell by looking at you

that you have gluten intolerance " ----this was at our church, not at his

office! He turned out to be right, of course. Anyway, if you are really ill

still after cutting out gluten, it might be worth getting in touch with

him. He also has a partner who is a dietician, though I think they're both

pretty expensive to see.

 

Sally

 

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:08 AM, catchadream04 <recyclednewwrote:

 

>

>

http://celiacdisease.about.com/od/symptomsofceliacdisease/a/refractorysprue.htm

>

> The link is to some more information. In a previous discussion I had

> discussed having iron deficiency anemia which was not improving with

> treatment and all common factors had been eliminated as a cause. My GI

> doctor has identified a rare form of celiac called refractory disease,

> in which despite the strict gluten free diet I will continue to have

> some issues. I have constant bone pain which has been linked to this

> condition as there is no other explanation for it. I wanted to share

> this with the group in case there is someone out there who is

> continuing to have pain or health issues that won't go away, so you

> can discuss this with your doctor and take the necessary steps to keep

> yourself as healthy as possible. This is very rare but very serious! I

> sincerely hope that none of you have this. Just passing along the info

> for whatever good it may do!

>

>

>

 

 

 

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Yep. It's completely possible to still be miserable despite a strict

(very and I-do-mean-very strict)gluten free diet.

 

yep. iron anemia, b-12 anemia, folic acid anemia, pain, numbness,

brain fog... short term memory loss.. any and all of that it's all

celiac.

 

yep.

 

Laurie

 

, " catchadream04 "

<recyclednew wrote:

>

>

http://celiacdisease.about.com/od/symptomsofceliacdisease/a/refractory

sprue.htm

>

> The link is to some more information. In a previous discussion I had

> discussed having iron deficiency anemia which was not improving with

> treatment and all common factors had been eliminated as a cause. My

GI

> doctor has identified a rare form of celiac called refractory

disease,

> in which despite the strict gluten free diet I will continue to have

> some issues. I have constant bone pain which has been linked to this

> condition as there is no other explanation for it. I wanted to share

> this with the group in case there is someone out there who is

> continuing to have pain or health issues that won't go away, so you

> can discuss this with your doctor and take the necessary steps to

keep

> yourself as healthy as possible. This is very rare but very

serious! I

> sincerely hope that none of you have this. Just passing along the

info

> for whatever good it may do!

>

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I'm curious - did your doctor try an elimination diet with you? Also,

did he ever suggest trying glutamine as a supplement?

 

Thanks - Amanda

 

 

, " catchadream04 "

<recyclednew wrote:

>

>

http://celiacdisease.about.com/od/symptomsofceliacdisease/a/refractorysprue.htm

>

> The link is to some more information. In a previous discussion I had

> discussed having iron deficiency anemia which was not improving with

> treatment and all common factors had been eliminated as a cause. My GI

> doctor has identified a rare form of celiac called refractory disease,

> in which despite the strict gluten free diet I will continue to have

> some issues. I have constant bone pain which has been linked to this

> condition as there is no other explanation for it. I wanted to share

> this with the group in case there is someone out there who is

> continuing to have pain or health issues that won't go away, so you

> can discuss this with your doctor and take the necessary steps to keep

> yourself as healthy as possible. This is very rare but very serious! I

> sincerely hope that none of you have this. Just passing along the info

> for whatever good it may do!

>

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Laurie

 

Have you looked into heavy metal toxicity? Pain, numbness or tingling,

brain fog, memory loss are also signs of this and many of us could have it

from vaccines, mercury almalgam fillings, etc.

 

BL

 

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Laurie <lau123 wrote:

 

> Yep. It's completely possible to still be miserable despite a strict

> (very and I-do-mean-very strict)gluten free diet.

>

> yep. iron anemia, b-12 anemia, folic acid anemia, pain, numbness,

> brain fog... short term memory loss.. any and all of that it's all

> celiac.

>

 

 

 

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Hi catchadream,

 

Yes, I know what you are talking about as this is something that I too

have :-(

 

A great place to start with this much more challenging form of celiac

is the SCD --Elaine Gottschall wrote a very helpful book called

Breaking the Vicious Cycle.

 

I have also found that probiotics, prebiotics, digestive enyzymes and

foods super high in omega 3's help (think of soaked chia seed as the

vegan version of fish oil) to get the gut back on track.

 

Good luck and let me know if I can help you with more information

 

Elana

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Lately I've been eating naturally fermented pickles (the brined kind that

have to stay refrigerated, not vinegar-based pickles) to get the bacteria

from them in lieu of taking a probiotic pill, and I feel like it's working

well. You can make the probiotic pickles at home much more cheaply than you

can buy probiotic pills, too. :)

 

It's funny to me that up until a couple of years ago, I thought the idea of

probiotics was absurd, and I now I would swear by them. Oh, how things

change. . . .

 

Sally

 

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Elana Amsterdam <eawrote:

 

> Hi catchadream,

>

> Yes, I know what you are talking about as this is something that I too

> have :-(

>

> A great place to start with this much more challenging form of celiac

> is the SCD --Elaine Gottschall wrote a very helpful book called

> Breaking the Vicious Cycle.

>

> I have also found that probiotics, prebiotics, digestive enyzymes and

> foods super high in omega 3's help (think of soaked chia seed as the

> vegan version of fish oil) to get the gut back on track.

>

> Good luck and let me know if I can help you with more information

>

> Elana

>

>

>

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BL:

Thanks, yes. Most of the brain fog is gone as long as I am grain

free. Just be prepared to die laughing if you watch me try to count

to 100 in groups of 10's, can't for the life of me remember if I

already got to 60, or was thinking ahead that this group (of counted

items) is going to be 60. So of course I have to start over. Again.

If it wasn't so frustrating .. it really would be funny.

 

I did get better (somewhat) when I had alamgam fillings replaced, but

I still have a couple, just need a new latex free dentist. I have a

doctor in Chicago that is sure I am metal toxic too... but.. slowly

and surely I am figuring this out. I have reduced metal exposure to

almost zero... but the lingering issues may never go away.

 

Mostly, it's how to function on a daily basis. I have " had the flu "

for a solid year ,minus four GREAT days in November and then a couple

days in February. I randomly get a GREAT (read normal) day. The

doctors ARE paying attention, sort of. But as long as I am ambulatory

and can breathe on my own, they don't seem to be looking for anything.

 

The refractory sprue is maybe the least of my problems. LOL

 

I think I am going to hire a naturopath to look at the WHOLE picture,

not individual symptoms. Sort of tired of that circus.

 

Laurie

 

 

, Brenda-Lee Olson

<shalomaleichemacademy wrote:

>

> Laurie

>

> Have you looked into heavy metal toxicity? Pain, numbness or

tingling,

> brain fog, memory loss are also signs of this and many of us could

have it

> from vaccines, mercury almalgam fillings, etc.

>

> BL

>

> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Laurie <lau123 wrote:

>

> > Yep. It's completely possible to still be miserable despite a

strict

> > (very and I-do-mean-very strict)gluten free diet.

> >

> > yep. iron anemia, b-12 anemia, folic acid anemia, pain, numbness,

> > brain fog... short term memory loss.. any and all of that it's all

> > celiac.

> >

>

>

>

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Sounds like a plan to see either a holistic naturopath or a clinical

ecologist (a medical doctor who specializes in environmental medicine and

who considers the whole person not just the symptoms of individual

illnesses). That's what I need too, but as my grandma used to say, they are

scarce as hen's teeth.

 

BL

 

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Laurie <lau123 wrote:

 

> Mostly, it's how to function on a daily basis. I have " had the flu " for

> a solid year ,minus four GREAT days in November and then a couple days in

> February. I randomly get a GREAT (read normal) day. The

> doctors ARE paying attention, sort of. But as long as I am ambulatory and

> can breathe on my own, they don't seem to be looking for anything.

>

> The refractory sprue is maybe the least of my problems. LOL

>

> I think I am going to hire a naturopath to look at the WHOLE picture, not

> individual symptoms. Sort of tired of that circus.

>

 

 

 

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Thanks everyone for all the thoughts, suggestions, support, ect. My

internet has been down so sorry it took so long to respond back.

 

I am and have been dairy free and egg free as well. Totally allergen free

for over 2 years after being diagnoses with chronic pancreatitis at the age

of 22. This was actually when this whole gluten free journey began. I was on

a clear liquid diet for about a month because of my pancreas. When I was

sent home I was told to maintain the liquid diet for a week or two,

depending on how I felt and then gradually start solids by eating some toast

or crackers. Well, every time I tried to eat some toast I vomited, so I went

back to the liquids, which consisted of applesauce and vegetable broth in

addition to water and gatorade (which kept my electrolytes in check).

Finally a friend of my suggested some steamed rice and veggies so I finally

got some some solid foods! I maintained this diet, slowly adding in herbs

and more variety of fruits and veggies. During this time I had seen

countless doctors who arrogantly informed me that it was all in my head and

there was no reason I couldn't eat a normal diet! I was taking enzymes and

probiotics the whole time as well as high end vitamins. My only real

restrictions (from the doctors) was to eat low fat and protein and to eat

several small meals a day. To manage the pain, which was suppose to also

help my appetite, I was given narcotics, which made me feel worse so I

didn't take them! Years 3 and 4 I tried very desperately to get back to a

normal diet. I had read about whole wheat and the benefits of it and so I

bought whole wheat breads and pastas. Again I spent the day in the bathroom!

By this point it was starting to make sense to me that it was the wheat! Of

course I was crazy and refered to many a shrink by the MD's! I never heard

of celiac and several doctors I had seen said there was no such thing as an

allergy to wheat. One doctor went back to the whole eating disorder thing

which really frustrated me! I went through that when I was a teen because my

sister was bulimic so all of a sudden I had an eating disorder because she

did! Three therapist later everybody finally agreed that I didn't have an

eating disorder. Of course by that point I started thinking what is wrong

with me because I had heard it for so long from so many " professionals " !

When I was an infant, I was failure to thrive, take me home to die! As a

toddler, I was jealous of my sister. As a child I was just seeking

attention, as a teen I had an eating disorder. Then finally as an adult I

was a hypochondriac with a possible eating disorder! I was fed up with the

whole medical system and I quit going! I had another appointment scheduled

with " the best GI I could ever hope for " and when they called to confirm the

appointment I said NO! I fired him as my doctor as well as all the others!

I'm the boss because it's my body and nobody is listening to me so they are

all fired! I started studying holistic health. I came across an article in a

magazine about celiac and it made sense. I knew, finally, the answer! To

confirm I did the challenge (as I've already been eliminating!) and I

discussed it with my GYN, who was the only doctor listening to me at the

time! She said I should get a GI to confirm it. Ha! So 2 more years after

being totally and completely on a strict gluten free diet I got a blood test

which was negative! (What a surprise!) So, fed up still, I said screw MD's

I'm on the diet and I can actually keep food down so who needs a confirmed

diagnosis! Well when I had flair ups from my pancreatitis and had to go to

the ER of IV fluids, which I never can just get the fluids! I got the 3rd

degree from the ER doctor because I was claiming to have a condition yet I

had no current GI doctor nor a confirmed diagnosis! I'm in pain, I can't

keep anything down and all I ask for is IV fluids, but I need pain

medication that I don't want and I need to get a CT scan, which means I have

to drink crap that possibly contains gluten and who knows what else! The

fact that I'm vomiting it up doesn't mean anything either! I had to drink

more of it! That night was a nightmare! So skipping ahead, I went to a

celiac conference in Cranberry PA back in October and a Dr. Earnest Stanley

spoke and after hearing him talk I decided what the hell, I'll give him a

try! So he did the biopsies and the necessary testing on those biopsies to

confirm that I do indeed have celiac disease! So after 30 years of pain and

nearly dying countless times I finally have a confirmed diagnosis for what

it's worth!

In my studies of holistic health I have tried many therapies and modalities.

I have an ionizer foot bath which works great for drawing toxins out of the

body. A month ago I finally found a good dentist who listens to me and he is

replacing all my fillings. Two more visits and I should be good!

My insurance is also going to cover acupuncture for pain management at a

local hospital so that is my next stop!

Of all the therapies and modalities and supplements, the only thing that

helps my pain is valerin root, and it's not 100%! On a pain scale it takes

me from a 10 down to about a 7! I've heard good things about acupuncture so

I'm hoping it really works for me! I'll let you all know after a few

treatments!

 

Didn't mean to go on a rant! Thanks for listening! I gave up on doctors a

long time ago! I only use them for what I need them for and I let them know

that I'm the boss going in! Don't like it, your fired! Next! LOL

 

I think I pretty much answered everyone's questions throughout my rant!

Thanks!

 

Jae

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Brenda-Lee Olson <

shalomaleichemacademy wrote:

 

> Sounds like a plan to see either a holistic naturopath or a clinical

> ecologist (a medical doctor who specializes in environmental medicine and

> who considers the whole person not just the symptoms of individual

> illnesses). That's what I need too, but as my grandma used to say, they are

> scarce as hen's teeth.

>

> BL

>

>

> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Laurie

<lau123<lau123%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

>

> > Mostly, it's how to function on a daily basis. I have " had the flu " for

> > a solid year ,minus four GREAT days in November and then a couple days in

> > February. I randomly get a GREAT (read normal) day. The

> > doctors ARE paying attention, sort of. But as long as I am ambulatory and

> > can breathe on my own, they don't seem to be looking for anything.

> >

> > The refractory sprue is maybe the least of my problems. LOL

> >

> > I think I am going to hire a naturopath to look at the WHOLE picture, not

> > individual symptoms. Sort of tired of that circus.

> >

>

>

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