Guest guest Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 What's the preferred method of testing for heavy metal toxicity by various group members? Sally On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Brenda-Lee Olson < shalomaleichemacademy wrote: > Laurie > > Have you looked into heavy metal toxicity? Pain, numbness or tingling, > brain fog, memory loss are also signs of this and many of us could have it > from vaccines, mercury almalgam fillings, etc. > > BL > > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Laurie <lau123<lau123%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > Yep. It's completely possible to still be miserable despite a strict > > (very and I-do-mean-very strict)gluten free diet. > > > > yep. iron anemia, b-12 anemia, folic acid anemia, pain, numbness, > > brain fog... short term memory loss.. any and all of that it's all > > celiac. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Hi Sally, Thanks for your welcoming message and for the ice cream recommendation! In 2003 I dealt with the mercury issue. My physician (an MD with a very alternative outlook) did a chelation challenge in which I took an oral dose of EDTA, urinated into a jug for 24 hours and then sent the specimen off to Great Smokies Lab. The result was positive (not a surprise given my symptoms --migraines, numbness and extreme fatigue). I had all of my mercury fillings removed in one sitting a few weeks later, of course wearing a dental dam while being administered oxygen, as not to inhale the mercury as it comes out. I did not do chelation therapy as I believed it would be too harsh on my body. Instead I took vitamins such as alpha lipoic acid and some alginates which naturally and gently pull out the heavy metals. I also chose not to do infra-red sauna, which I have heard is very effective. Again, I was worried that it would be too severe for my system (though I might do it at some point for maintenance now that I'm stronger). The metals can be worse on the way out than on the way in or when they are dormant, hiding in the bones. I would recommend that anyone on a strict GF diet not seeing results after a year look into mercury testing. I think it is important to do a lot of research when proceeding down this path and also crucial that each individual actively engages in a course of treatment that best suits her/him. The field is still young and even the alternative specialists have a variety of treatments from which to choose. I can tell you though, getting the mercury out made a big difference and I am happy I did it. Now I get tested once or twice a year with a standard blood draw from Quest Diagnostics, just to stay on top of this matter. The regular blood draw is good for maintenance, though not an initial diagnosis; most agree, the chelation challenge is best for that. Elana , Sally Parrott Ashbrook <sally.parrott wrote: > > What's the preferred method of testing for heavy metal toxicity by various > group members? > > Sally > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Brenda-Lee Olson < > shalomaleichemacademy wrote: > > > Laurie > > > > Have you looked into heavy metal toxicity? Pain, numbness or tingling, > > brain fog, memory loss are also signs of this and many of us could have it > > from vaccines, mercury almalgam fillings, etc. > > > > BL > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Laurie lau123<lau123%40gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > Yep. It's completely possible to still be miserable despite a strict > > > (very and I-do-mean-very strict)gluten free diet. > > > > > > yep. iron anemia, b-12 anemia, folic acid anemia, pain, numbness, > > > brain fog... short term memory loss.. any and all of that it's all > > > celiac. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 I have exchanged some emails with Andy Cutler, for what it may or may not be worth? And I thought blood and hair were not good ways of testing for mercury? That deranged mineral transport testing was the best way? I have not chelated, and I admit I did do hair testing myself, thinking that was effective, but this is just what Cutler recommends. He wrote the book " Amalgam Illness. " I could be wrong on that, but it's what I remember reading. >>>Instead I took vitamins such as alpha lipoic acid and some alginates which naturally and gently pull out the heavy metals.<<< The only reason I have not chelated using DMSA or ALA is because I heard it was hard on the adrenals, and I have adrenal fatigue. I think Cutler is starting to acknowledge that his protocol might be difficult for those of us with adrenal issues, of which my son is one. He is on the verge of adrenal exhaustion. What are alginates? I have never heard of them. An alternative method of chelation is using zeolite, which is supposed to be much easier on the body, but then I talked to an organic pharmeutical chemist in Australia, and he said it could very well remove zinc. That is the possible caveat. BUT zeolite will not cross the blood-brain barrier, like Cutler's method is supposed to. I have heard one mother of an autistic child say she felt the zeolite did in any event, based on the improvement of symptoms. I did have a former alternative medicine doc who wanted me to do the urine testing, but I didn't know how accurate it was and it was very expensive. Some methods of testing for many things, and that includes mercury or thyroid or adrenals (and others, including allergy testing) can be ineffective. I am not up on urine testing for mercury, but? HTH, Diane , " elanaspantry " <ea wrote: > > Hi Sally, > > Thanks for your welcoming message and for the ice cream recommendation! > > In 2003 I dealt with the mercury issue. > > My physician (an MD with a very alternative outlook) did a chelation > challenge in which I took an oral dose of EDTA, urinated into a jug for > 24 hours and then sent the specimen off to Great Smokies Lab. > > The result was positive (not a surprise given my symptoms -- migraines, > numbness and extreme fatigue). I had all of my mercury fillings removed > in one sitting a few weeks later, of course wearing a dental dam while > being administered oxygen, as not to inhale the mercury as it comes out. > > I did not do chelation therapy as I believed it would be too harsh on my > body. Instead I took vitamins such as alpha lipoic acid and some > alginates which naturally and gently pull out the heavy metals. I also > chose not to do infra-red sauna, which I have heard is very effective. > Again, I was worried that it would be too severe for my system (though I > might do it at some point for maintenance now that I'm stronger). The > metals can be worse on the way out than on the way in or when they are > dormant, hiding in the bones. > > I would recommend that anyone on a strict GF diet not seeing results > after a year look into mercury testing. > > I think it is important to do a lot of research when proceeding down > this path and also crucial that each individual actively engages in a > course of treatment that best suits her/him. The field is still young > and even the alternative specialists have a variety of treatments from > which to choose. > > I can tell you though, getting the mercury out made a big difference and > I am happy I did it. Now I get tested once or twice a year with a > standard blood draw from Quest Diagnostics, just to stay on top of this > matter. The regular blood draw is good for maintenance, though not an > initial diagnosis; most agree, the chelation challenge is best for that. > > Elana > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 There are very effective homeopathic mouth sprays and I've used Cilantro tincture with great results for my patients. I do suggest using Turtle Island or Giam since you'll want to make sure it's wild-crafted and organic. Shen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Hi Diane, The alginate I'm referring to was called Pro-Algen, though it's no longer on the market and I've now heard that it's not good to take chlorella, algae, etc. for heavy metals. I agree with you on the blood/hair tests and found the urine challenge to be the most effective of all the tests for me. Fortunately, I no longer have heavy metal toxicity and was able to choose a process which worked both in gently healing my body and removing the metals with no traumatic side effects. I was very lucky. Elana ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Oh yes! This reminds me that the other thing I did to get the metals out was I drank a 2-3 cups of freshly juiced celery and cilantro every other day. Elana ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Have you tried ionic foot baths? They draw all kinds of toxins out, not just metals. They are wonderful but can be expensive. I actually bought one off of ebay for around $100, which is really cheap! Most places sell them for around $2000, give or take. To go and get treatments from a holistic professional can cost anywhere from $20-50 per session, and 10-14 sessions are usually recommended, so I think the $100 was a wise investment! My close friends and family use it too so overall we have probably saved $2000! Many people also like to try the herb and fiber based internal detox products. As someone with serious pancreatic problems I know that high fiber is a big NO NO! Many people with celiac have some impaired pancreatic function so before trying an internal detox program or any type of increased fiber intake, even if only temporary, discuss it with a professional who understands this as you can end up causing yourself a great deal of pain! (I learned the hard way! Drinking twice as much water doesn't help either!) Also, when detoxing or fasting make sure your getting plenty of water and keeping your electrolytes balanced. There really is a such thing as having too much water if you throw you electrolytes out of balance, and you can die from it! The pain is quite intense too! On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Sally Parrott Ashbrook < sally.parrott wrote: > What's the preferred method of testing for heavy metal toxicity by > various > group members? > > Sally > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Brenda-Lee Olson < > shalomaleichemacademy <shalomaleichemacademy%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > Laurie > > > > Have you looked into heavy metal toxicity? Pain, numbness or tingling, > > brain fog, memory loss are also signs of this and many of us could have > it > > from vaccines, mercury almalgam fillings, etc. > > > > BL > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Laurie <lau123<lau123%40gmail.com> > <lau123%40gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > Yep. It's completely possible to still be miserable despite a strict > > > (very and I-do-mean-very strict)gluten free diet. > > > > > > yep. iron anemia, b-12 anemia, folic acid anemia, pain, numbness, > > > brain fog... short term memory loss.. any and all of that it's all > > > celiac. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I just wanted to mention that I think there is a clay that you can bath in that pulls metals and toxins out. I've heard good things about it. In a message dated 2/23/2009 2:02:29 PM Central Standard Time, jdrows writes: Elana Could you provide a source and/or link explaining the danger of taking chlorella, algae etc. for heavy metals removal? Thanks JD Elana Amsterdam wrote: > Hi Diane, > > The alginate I'm referring to was called Pro-Algen, though it's no > longer on the market and I've now heard that it's not good to take > chlorella, algae, etc. for heavy metals. > > I agree with you on the blood/hair tests and found the urine challenge > to be the most effective of all the tests for me. > > Fortunately, I no longer have heavy metal toxicity and was able to > choose a process which worked both in gently healing my body and > removing the metals with no traumatic side effects. I was very lucky. > > Elana > **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in your neighborhood today. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing & ncid=\ emlcntusyelp00000004) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Elana Could you provide a source and/or link explaining the danger of taking chlorella, algae etc. for heavy metals removal? Thanks JD Elana Amsterdam wrote: > Hi Diane, > > The alginate I'm referring to was called Pro-Algen, though it's no > longer on the market and I've now heard that it's not good to take > chlorella, algae, etc. for heavy metals. > > I agree with you on the blood/hair tests and found the urine challenge > to be the most effective of all the tests for me. > > Fortunately, I no longer have heavy metal toxicity and was able to > choose a process which worked both in gently healing my body and > removing the metals with no traumatic side effects. I was very lucky. > > Elana > > > ---------- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Elana Did you have a baseline by which you measured this protocol? By what means did you measure? Thanks JD Elana Amsterdam wrote: > Oh yes! This reminds me that the other thing I did to get the metals > out was I drank a 2-3 cups of freshly juiced celery and cilantro every > other day. > > Elana > > ---------- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 There are clay baths that you can use and they seems to work really great. I have used them on my daughter and you notice a difference. The clay we used is just from our local natural food store and after the bath it will turn black the more toxins it pulls out. I have several times seen it very black and then other times not much of a color change. You can also use this clay on your face as a facial and it pulls toxins from your face and leaves your face feeling so smooth and soft. You are red from it for about 30 minutes though but the blood flow is goof for circulation. There are so many on the Internet and again at the natural food store. They range greatly in price from about 10.00 a bottle (3 uses for baths and 100 or more for facials) to 100.00 for the bigger boxes. I don't like the bigger kinds because you are supposed to filter your tub after and scoop the clay out,, the kind we use goes right down the drain. It is some Indian clay from here in Arizona. Just do a search for clay baths and you will get so many hits or just go to your local Whole foods or what ever and buy it there. Pretty good stuff Kim On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 1:05 PM, <not2mild wrote: > > I just wanted to mention that I think there is a clay that you can bath in > that pulls metals and toxins out. I've heard good things about it. > > In a message dated 2/23/2009 2:02:29 PM Central Standard Time, > jdrows <jdrows%40gmail.com> writes: > > Elana > Could you provide a source and/or link explaining the danger of taking > chlorella, algae etc. for heavy metals removal? > > Thanks > JD > > Elana Amsterdam wrote: > > Hi Diane, > > > > The alginate I'm referring to was called Pro-Algen, though it's no > > longer on the market and I've now heard that it's not good to take > > chlorella, algae, etc. for heavy metals. > > > > I agree with you on the blood/hair tests and found the urine challenge > > to be the most effective of all the tests for me. > > > > Fortunately, I no longer have heavy metal toxicity and was able to > > choose a process which worked both in gently healing my body and > > removing the metals with no traumatic side effects. I was very lucky. > > > > Elana > > > > **************Get a jump start on your taxes. Find a tax professional in > your > neighborhood today. > ( > http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=Tax+Return+Preparation+%26+Filing & ncid=e\ mlcntusyelp00000004 > ) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Bentonite clay???? , not2mild wrote: > > > I just wanted to mention that I think there is a clay that you can bath in > that pulls metals and toxins out. I've heard good things about it. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 JD, As I mentioned I had the tests done years ago. You can contact Great Smokies or go to their website for that information. I'm sure they would be happy to provide it. Elana http://www.elanaspantry.com/recipes ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Dear JD, As I mentioned, this was actually (literally) something I had heard in my travels in the alternative medicine world. If you do find a study corroborating this I bet everyone would love to see it. Thanks, Elana www.elanaspantry.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Yes, Bentonite clay. It is cheap enough to try and see what you think. Kim On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:39 AM, heyitsme_di <heyitsme_di wrote: > Bentonite clay???? > > > --- In <%40>, > not2mild wrote: > > > > > > I just wanted to mention that I think there is a clay that you can > bath in > > that pulls metals and toxins out. I've heard good things about it. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Urine testing is only accurate if you've had an active exposure to mercury in the last week. The body rather quickly scuttles it away into the tissue. The deranged mineral transport test that was mentioned it done on the hair. EDTA and DMPS challenge tests can be greatly damaging due to the large amount of metals it pulls in a short time, followed by heavy redistribution because the body can not eliminate as much as was pulled. I recommend www.noamalgam.com as good reading for anyone considering chelation. The majority of methods of chelation do not pull metals evenly or consistently, causing redistribution events. Redistribution is where the metals settle out and land where they are, causing damage. So you want your body to continually pull and dump without a redistribution event, and the way to do this is to keep an even blood level of chelator when you are on-round. KerryAnn, who is in the middle of chelation using the Cutler Protocol www.cookingTF.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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