Vitamin D3

[Guest guest]

http://www.vegansociety.com/html/food/nutrition/vitaminD.php

 

" Vegans usually obtain vitamin D from the action of

sunlight on the skin or by taking fortified foods such

as soya milk, margarine (all of which are fortified by

law in the UK), breakfast cereals and vitamin

supplements which are made from yeast or other fungi.

Fortified vegan products contain D2 (ergocalciferol).

Foods with naturally occurring vitamin D are, however,

usually animal derived containing the vitamin D3

(cholecalciferol). "

 

When it's placed in food, it's not made from

humans...why would we extract our own naturally

produced vitamin when we can steal it from animals.

 

--- Colette <phoenix47 wrote:

 

> I thought Vitamin D3 was produced by the human body

> naturally. I could be wrong, but I thought that

> when people were exposed to uv radiation (ie

> sunlight) the body produced D3 naturally. I know

> that there are supplements to prevent rickets in

> people who don't get exposure to sunlight, and that

> it is added to some food like iodine is, but I

> thought it was naturally found (produced) to some

> extent in most humans even without it being consumed

> as part of ones diet.

> -

> Melissa Hill

>

> Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:37 PM

> Re: Re: [recipe]

> Chocolate Oatmeal No-Bakes

>

>

> Vitamin D3 is from sheeps wool, therefore not

> vegan.

> It's great that they list the mono and

> di-glycerides

> as vegetable as that is usually a source of animal

> ingredients.

>

> it's so insane where these ingredients live.

>

> --- mainvillefamily <mainvillefamily

> wrote:

>

> > If you can find it in your area - fleishmans

> > unsalted sticks don't

> > have milk in them - I'm not sure if it's totally

> > vegan b/c I'm not

> > all that familiar w/ some of the trickier

> > ingredients (like the

> > vitamin people were talking about last week),

> but

> > the obvious milk,

> > egg, etc aren't in there. The ingredients are:

> >

> > Liquid corn oil, partially hydrogenated soybean

> oil,

> > water,

> > vegetalbe mono- and diglycerides and soy

> lecithin

> > (emulsifiers),

> > potassium sorbate and calcium disodium edta (to

> > preserve freshness),

> > phosphoric acid (acidulant), Vitamin A

> palmitate,

> > colored with beta

> > carotene (source of Vitamin A), Artificial

> Flavor,

> > Vitamin D3.

> >

> > --Stacee

> >

> > ,

> > " cherylplummer "

> > <cherylplummer wrote:

> > >

> > > -Sounds good. How do you make the vegan

> version? I

> > dont have very

> > > good luck with cookies but would like to try

> them

> > at least without

> > > the butter

> > > cheryl

> > >

> > > -- In , " ~ PT

> ~ "

> > > <patchouli_troll@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > i have made these vegan before with great

> > results. These are

> > > > a perfect summertime cookie since they

> require

> > no baking

> > > > and they are so sweet they pair perfectly

> with a

> > bowl of vanilla

> > > > ice cream for dessert.

> > > >

> > > > Chocolate Oatmeal No-Bakes

> > > >

> > > > 2 cups sugar

> > > > 1/2 cup milk

> > > > 1/4 cup butter

> > > > 1/3 cup cocoa powder

> > > > 3 cups rolled oats

> > > > 1/2 cup shredded coconut

> > > > 1/2 cup peanut butter

> > > > 1 tsp. vanilla extract

> > > >

> > > > Combine the sugar, milk, butter and cocoa in

> a

> > large

> > > > cooking pot. Bring to a boil and the keep it

> at

> > the boil

> > > > for one full minute [very important]. Remove

> > from heat.

> > > > Mix in the remaining ingredients and stir to

> > combine.

> > > > Quickly drop by spoonfuls onto waxed paper.

> > > > Allow to cool and stiffen.

> > > > Yield: about 30 cookies

> > > >

> > > > ~ pt ~

> > > >

> > > > " If those bad words come, I let them come in

> one

> > ear

> > > > and go out the other. I never let them come

> out

> > of my

> > > > mouth. If a bad word comes in your ear and

> then

> > > > comes out of your mouth, it will go

> someplace

> > and hurt

> > > > somebody. If I did that, that hurt would

> come

> > back twice

> > > > as hard on me. "

> > > > ~ Wallace Black Elk, LAKOTA

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> ~Mel

>

> " Sweet songs the youth, the wise; the meaning of

> all wisdom...to believe in the good in man " --Legend

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone;

 

Another fast breaking bit of news about my anti-depression, anti-anti-depressant

campaign for my daughter! (With all those anti's, where's the uncles?? Joke!)

 

One of our list members, who is a naturopathiic clinician in California, kindly

emailed me off-list to add her enthusiastic support for the use of the SAD

light, PLUS the addition of a supplemental Vitamin D3 as part of a program

against " mid-winter blues " .

 

I've been wondering for quite awhile whether taking Vitamin D might be a good

idea. I've heard it recommended for vegans generally anyway, and particularly

for my husband, who works indoors most of the year.

 

This recommendation from our resident ND was the nudge I needed, so I went and

got a bottle of a liquid Vitamin D3. My husband and I took a 1000 IU dose and my

body said " YES! THANK YOU! " I have passed this recommedation along to our

daughter too.

 

I make a point of carefully exposing my skin to the sun in a controlled fashion

during the summer, every day possible. However, at this time of year, after

months of no signficant sunshine, I imagine my reserves probably do get pretty

low!

 

Thanks again to our resident ND who took the time and care to reach out to me.

It's much appreciated!

 

Deborah (emerging from the dark of the year in Canada!)

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, Deborah Pageau

<dpageau wrote:

>

PLUS the addition of a supplemental Vitamin D3 as part of a program

against " mid-winter blues " .

 

This is really good advice, Deborah. I remember a discussion about

this on a vegan list awhile back. I will try to remember where and

see if there's some more helpful information. Many Vit D3 sources are

not vegan --- but I don't recall the conclusion of the conversation.

 

BL, are you online today? What do you remember? Know?

 

LaDonna

[Guest guest]

Hi Deborah

 

I have been taking 5000 iu of Vitamin D for about 4 months. My doctor

(gasp) recommended it saying that latest studies say the RDA was waaaay too

low and Canadians should all be supplementing through the winter.

 

BL

 

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Deborah Pageau <dpageau wrote:

 

> Hi Everyone;

>

> I've been wondering for quite awhile whether taking Vitamin D might be a

> good idea. I've heard it recommended for vegans generally anyway, and

> particularly for my husband, who works indoors most of the year.

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

You're correct LaDonna, D3 is technically an animal product because it is

produced from the lanolin of sheeps wool after sheering.

http://www.raysahelian.com/cholecalciferol.html

 

I am willing to accept this since the animals are not harmed nor is it robbing

them of anything they need; and because the vegan alternative D2, is

considerably less effective.

 

Regular, controlled exposure of as much of the skin as possible to the sun

between March and October in the Northern Hemisphere is still the best source of

D3.

 

However, for those who work in doors most of the time and/or who are afflicted

by " winter blues " , use of a SAD light in combination with the V3 supplement,

seems to be necessary.

 

Deborah

 

, Deborah Pageau

<dpageau wrote:

>

PLUS the addition of a supplemental Vitamin D3 as part of a program

against " mid-winter blues " .

 

This is really good advice, Deborah. I remember a discussion about

this on a vegan list awhile back. I will try to remember where and

see if there's some more helpful information. Many Vit D3 sources are

not vegan --- but I don't recall the conclusion of the conversation.

 

BL, are you online today? What do you remember? Know?

 

LaDonna

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi

I live in New Zealand, where there are a lot of sheep - and I can tell

you that sheep 'by-products' like wool and lanolin are not benign!

Every year thousands and thousands of lambs die in cold spring weather

- farmers mate the sheep unnaturally early so they get the maximum

growth out of the spring grass for those that do survive - the dead

lambs are collateral damage.

Shearing is a terrifying and brutal experience for the sheep. Shearers

take the wool off about 100 sheep an hour, I believe - you can imagine

that they're not being overly careful about the sheep's needs.

I used to think that shearing was helping the sheep, overburdened as

they were with wool - but of course humans have bred sheep to produce

this extra wool, for our sake not theirs!

Sorry for the rant! I'm not judging people who use D3, because I know

that if I needed this product then I might take it too - but I want

people to be aware of what's involved.

Cheers

Alice

 

> You're correct LaDonna, D3 is technically an animal product because it

> is produced from the lanolin of sheeps wool after sheering.

> http://www.raysahelian.com/cholecalciferol.html

>

> I am willing to accept this since the animals are not harmed nor is

> it robbing them of anything they need; and because the vegan

> alternative D2, is considerably less effective.

>

> Regular, controlled exposure of as much of the skin as possible to

> the sun between March and October in the Northern Hemisphere is still

> the best source of D3.

>

> However, for those who work in doors most of the time and/or who are

> afflicted by " winter blues " , use of a SAD light in combination with

> the V3 supplement, seems to be necessary.

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am also in Canada and also supplement vitamin D. I have stuck to D2

so far. I'll get some sun come May or June . . .

 

Pam

 

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Deborah Pageau <dpageau wrote:

> You're correct LaDonna, D3 is technically an animal product because it is

> produced from the lanolin of sheeps wool after sheering.

> http://www.raysahelian.com/cholecalciferol.html

>

> I am willing to accept this since the animals are not harmed nor is it

> robbing them of anything they need; and because the vegan alternative D2, is

> considerably less effective.

>

> Regular, controlled exposure of as much of the skin as possible to the sun

> between March and October in the Northern Hemisphere is still the best

> source of D3.

>

> However, for those who work in doors most of the time and/or who are

> afflicted by " winter blues " , use of a SAD light in combination with the V3

> supplement, seems to be necessary.

>

> Deborah

[Guest guest]

, Alice Leonard

<alice wrote:

 

> I live in New Zealand, where there are a lot of sheep - and I can

tell you that sheep 'by-products' like wool and lanolin are not benign!

 

> Shearing is a terrifying and brutal experience for the sheep.

 

Alice, your post brought back a lot of memories for me. When our

children were young we had a pet 'bottle baby' lamb. He grew up to be

a wonderful outside pet for our boys --- living a long and healthy

life. Shearing really can be an ordeal and I know shearers are very

quick about their work! Fluffy would go to the neighbor's for

shearing --- and even tho their flock was quite small, the sheep were

quite distressed by it all. The rush to shear was not nearly as

intense as it would be for a large, commercial flock. One year Fluffy

missed her appointment with the shearer --- and spent a miserable year

'too hot' under her wool coat. She seemed to remember that she only

went to the neighbors once a year (for shearing) and when her harness

and leash would come out to help us get her there, it was surely a

tug-a-war! Sometimes she won! LOL! She could really pull her weight!

 

LaDonna

[Guest guest]

And your story reminds me of when we were housesitting for my aunt and

uncle in Surrey, England, and one of our responsibilities was to take

their hugely pregnant goat from her stable each morning around to the

grass - there was some kind of poisonous plant en route which she was

determined to eat (and which could have caused her to miscarry) and I

would often have to put all of my weight into pulling her back from it.

It was only years later that I wondered why on earth my aunt and uncle

hadn't just removed the plant...!

There's a podcast at www.compassionatecooks.com called 'the Shearing of

Sheep' - like all of the Compassionate Cooks podcasts, it's well worth

a listen.

Cheers

alice

 

On 25/02/2009, at 9:04 AM, ilovetocookvegan2 wrote:

 

Alice, your post brought back a lot of memories for me. ...

She seemed to remember that she only

> went to the neighbors once a year (for shearing) and when her harness

> and leash would come out to help us get her there, it was surely a

> tug-a-war! Sometimes she won! LOL! She could really pull her weight!

>

> LaDonna

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello, all,

I am the N.D. who recommended the use of Vitamin D3.

Personally, I suggest it for my patients from either Nature's Way (Drops of

Sunshine) or Biotics Research Corp. and YES, it is not from a vegan source.

I, myself, am vegan and suggest that diet and lifestyle for many of my clients

who are ready and willing.

I am also a Buddhist and have had mild depression myself and have members of my

family who have suffered from mild depression.

For many years, we lived in the upper midwest where we experienced little or no

real sunlight for months. Of course, this did not help S.A.D. or mild

depression.

I make a compromise here. In using D3 and recognizing the results, I am

extremely grateful to the animal who has provided this for me and pray that the

animal's suffering is relieved. I understand the process

for the manufacturing of this vitamin and because I make these compromises for

the sake of healthfulness, I make sure that the very act of suggesting this

remedy for one who is in pain is an act of compassion.

Truth be told, Vitamin D2, which is from fungal and vegetative sources does not

have the effect that D3 has in relieving either serotonin or inflammatory

related issues.

Deborah's plight needs to be considered with compassion.

As a mother, myself, I know you do whatever is necessary to take your child from

suffering.

I'm sure she has, as any of us would, abundant gratitude for the animal whose

experiences have lessened her daughter's pain.

No one is naive enough to think that shearing is absolutely harmless. However,

this is a situation that justifies compromise and realease of any judgements.

Blessings and good health,

Shen

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

On 25/02/2009, at 10:10 AM, shenoa wrote:

 

> No one is naive enough to think that shearing is absolutely harmless.

Well, maybe most people on this list aren't that naive, but I would say

the general population think we're doing the sheep a favour.

> However, this is a situation that justifies compromise and realease of

> any judgements.

Absolutely! And I said in my post that I didn't judge people for using

D3 because chances are I would do the same if I or my child needed it.

 

Best wishes

alice

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks for speaking up Shen. You have expressed my feelings very well.

 

It's too bad that commercial sheering is so brutal because sheering needn't be

torture for either the sheep or the sheerer. I've seen sheering done where the

sheep is obviously in a blissful state, head thrown back, back leg paddling the

air like a dog having his belly rubbed, enjoying the vibration and attention.

Of course, the sheerers in those situations were taking their time, treating the

sheep with their due respect as sentient beings.

 

I can hope that commerical sheering is transformed by compassion into what it

could be ASAP. I know it's a stretch...

 

Deborah

 

 

 

Hello, all,

I am the N.D. who recommended the use of Vitamin D3.

Personally, I suggest it for my patients from either Nature's Way (Drops of

Sunshine) or Biotics Research Corp. and YES, it is not from a vegan source.

I, myself, am vegan and suggest that diet and lifestyle for many of my clients

who are ready and willing.

I am also a Buddhist and have had mild depression myself and have members of

my family who have suffered from mild depression.

For many years, we lived in the upper midwest where we experienced little or

no real sunlight for months. Of course, this did not help S.A.D. or mild

depression.

I make a compromise here. In using D3 and recognizing the results, I am

extremely grateful to the animal who has provided this for me and pray that the

animal's suffering is relieved. I understand the process

for the manufacturing of this vitamin and because I make these compromises for

the sake of healthfulness, I make sure that the very act of suggesting this

remedy for one who is in pain is an act of compassion.

Truth be told, Vitamin D2, which is from fungal and vegetative sources does

not have the effect that D3 has in relieving either serotonin or inflammatory

related issues.

Deborah's plight needs to be considered with compassion.

As a mother, myself, I know you do whatever is necessary to take your child

from suffering.

I'm sure she has, as any of us would, abundant gratitude for the animal whose

experiences have lessened her daughter's pain.

No one is naive enough to think that shearing is absolutely harmless. However,

this is a situation that justifies compromise and realease of any judgements.

Blessings and good health,

Shen