Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I have a sensitive stomach via why i became vegan and started to stray away from gluten. However, im not sure that is what is causing my stomach problems. The stomach achs i get are usually ones every couple months and last all night long from 7p to 7a and i can stop moving nor fall asleep. Can anyone help? chelsey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Hi Chelsey, A complete food diary is probably the first place to start. Keep track of everything that goes down the pipes, including herbs and spices, teas, etc. And keep in mind that reactions can come from foods eaten the day before the symptoms start. If the pains are that seldom, it could be one little thing. (watch for sodium caseinate, which reacts like milk in some people) I have one niece who's allergic to cocoa powder (but not chocolate) and a niece on the other side who's allergic to artificial cinnamon flavoring. It could wind up being microbial contamination or environmental such as fragrances, but food seems the most likely here. Figuring it out brings such a wonderful feeling of control. And let us know how you do. Nancy chelseylcary wrote: > > I have a sensitive stomach via why i became vegan and started to stray > away from gluten. However, im not sure that is what is causing my > stomach problems. The stomach achs i get are usually ones every couple > months and last all night long from 7p to 7a and i can stop moving nor > fall asleep. Can anyone help? > > chelsey > > > ------ > > > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1994 - Release 03/10/09 19:51:00 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 During those " attacks " are you experiencing intense pain, nausea, diarrhea, increased body temp, or any other symptoms? There is a good chance that food is the culprit. You can do an elimination/challenge diet to identify which foods are are an issue for you. clevelandclinic.org/services/allergy_testing/hic_elimination_diet_and_\ food_challenge_test.aspx Other things that could be going on and should be discussed with your doctor are gallbladder disease, possibly gallstones, or pancreatic insufficiency. I experienced similar episodes my whole life, which kept getting worse as I got older. When I was 22 I was diagnosed with chronic pancreatitis, which was believed to have resulted from a lifelong pancreatic insufficiency with recurrent episodes of acute pancreatitis which was never diagnosed or treated. The problem became chronic and I had to be hospitalized after being given the wrong medication. I thought that was the answer to all my pains and now that it was in the spot light I can get treatment and feel better. Wrong! It took years for me to figure out the foods that where making me sick. You have to be aware that doctors have very little training when it comes to nutrition. They are taught that yellow pill treats symptom A and green pill treats symptom B. If your truly believe that foods are the problem, I would recommend doing the elimination/challenge diet and find a holistic health practitioner that you can work with on creating a diet plan that's right for you that includes all the required nutrients. I am a certified HHP so you can feel free to e-mail me off list. I believe there is also an ND on this list, who's even more knowledgeable than me on many things. For me, gluten, dairy, eggs, green peppers, cabbage, raw onions, or a lot of fructose will cause me problems. Everybody is different. Keep in mind also that the symptoms of problem foods can take hours to present or may be subtle and easily overlooked. Headaches, joint pain, fatigue, blurred vision, brain fog, rashes or itching can all be reactions to food. If you experience a sensation like there's something stuck in your throat, that is a mild anaphalactic shock. You should go to the ER in that case! For anybody that this may be of interest to, if you or someone near you is in a sever anaphalactic shock and no epi pen is available, find some hot pepper (the hotter the better) and place a pinch of it under the tongue. This will not completely cure it, but it relieves the constriction enough for the person to breathe until further help can be obtained. I've done this myself a few times! Yes it burns, but living is worth it! On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 8:44 AM, chelseylcary <chelseylcarywrote: > I have a sensitive stomach via why i became vegan and started to stray > away from gluten. However, im not sure that is what is causing my stomach > problems. The stomach achs i get are usually ones every couple months and > last all night long from 7p to 7a and i can stop moving nor fall asleep. Can > anyone help? > > chelsey > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I second this. The top food allergens are: 1. Milk 2. Egg 3. Peanut 4. Tree nut (walnut, cashew, etc.) 5. Fish 6. Shellfish 7. Soy 8. Wheat Presumably you are here because you are vegan, so 1, 2, 5, and 6 are not things that you are eating anyway. Though as Nancy says, you have to watch closely for casein and other forms of dairy. If one of the top 8 is not a problem, or there is still something bothering you after eliminating them, then I would also look at corn, nightshades, other legumes, high-fructose fruits, and citrus. Since you are only having this reaction once in a while, you probably don't need to do an elimination diet. Pam On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Nancy Ball <bomag wrote: > Hi Chelsey, A complete food diary is probably the first place to > start. Keep track of everything that goes down the pipes, including > herbs and spices, teas, etc. And keep in mind that reactions can come > from foods eaten the day before the symptoms start. If the pains are > that seldom, it could be one little thing. (watch for sodium caseinate, > which reacts like milk in some people) I have one niece who's allergic > to cocoa powder (but not chocolate) and a niece on the other side who's > allergic to artificial cinnamon flavoring. It could wind up being > microbial contamination or environmental such as fragrances, but food > seems the most likely here. Figuring it out brings such a wonderful > feeling of control. > > And let us know how you do. > Nancy > > chelseylcary wrote: >> >> I have a sensitive stomach via why i became vegan and started to stray >> away from gluten. However, im not sure that is what is causing my >> stomach problems. The stomach achs i get are usually ones every couple >> months and last all night long from 7p to 7a and i can stop moving nor >> fall asleep. Can anyone help? >> >> chelsey >> >> >> ------------------------- >> >> >> >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1994 - Release 03/10/09 >> 19:51:00 >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I have to say---I completely believe in being proactive about your health and trying to ascertain what's going on in your own body, but we aren't doctors on here (or at least, most of us aren't). Have you seen a doctor---either MD or naturopath---to try to get to the heart of what's going wrong? Because severe pains that keep you from sleeping every few months could mean something majorly wrong that none of us could recognize for what it is. Sally On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:19 PM, pdw <pdworkman wrote: > I second this. The top food allergens are: > > 1. Milk > 2. Egg > 3. Peanut > 4. Tree nut (walnut, cashew, etc.) > 5. Fish > 6. Shellfish > 7. Soy > 8. Wheat > > Presumably you are here because you are vegan, so 1, 2, 5, and 6 are > not things that you are eating anyway. Though as Nancy says, you have > to watch closely for casein and other forms of dairy. > > If one of the top 8 is not a problem, or there is still something > bothering you after eliminating them, then I would also look at corn, > nightshades, other legumes, high-fructose fruits, and citrus. > > Since you are only having this reaction once in a while, you probably > don't need to do an elimination diet. > > Pam > > > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Nancy Ball <bomag<bomag%40centurytel.net>> > wrote: > > Hi Chelsey, A complete food diary is probably the first place to > > start. Keep track of everything that goes down the pipes, including > > herbs and spices, teas, etc. And keep in mind that reactions can come > > from foods eaten the day before the symptoms start. If the pains are > > that seldom, it could be one little thing. (watch for sodium caseinate, > > which reacts like milk in some people) I have one niece who's allergic > > to cocoa powder (but not chocolate) and a niece on the other side who's > > allergic to artificial cinnamon flavoring. It could wind up being > > microbial contamination or environmental such as fragrances, but food > > seems the most likely here. Figuring it out brings such a wonderful > > feeling of control. > > > > And let us know how you do. > > Nancy > > > > chelseylcary wrote: > >> > >> I have a sensitive stomach via why i became vegan and started to stray > >> away from gluten. However, im not sure that is what is causing my > >> stomach problems. The stomach achs i get are usually ones every couple > >> months and last all night long from 7p to 7a and i can stop moving nor > >> fall asleep. Can anyone help? > >> > >> chelsey > >> > >> > >> ------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1994 - Release Date: > 03/10/09 > >> 19:51:00 > >> > >> > > > > -- " This isn't a matter of Republican and Democrat. It's not liberal. It's not conservative. It's simply common sense. This is a national emergency. . . . You have to be honest about the way the biosphere works, and we have to move this country very rapidly in a different direction. " --John Orr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 If your aware of what foods are triggering a reaction then you can just eliminate them. Most people are not really sure which food is triggering the problem. I still think an elimination/challenge diet can be a useful tool for someone unsure. You probably can easily come up with a list of suspected foods and only test those foods you suspect. Obviously your not going to test milk or eggs or anything that you don't normally eat. Casein could be a hidden problem that only gets into you occasionally. Whey is also milk, so watch out for that in products too. If you eat nuts and know that you don't have any nut allergies, check the label because they could be processed on equipment that processes other products that could be a problem. Same with other foods, particularly snack foods! This is called cross contamination. Another thing to consider is your acid/alkaline balance. If your body is too acidic then problems can occur. Some good info can be found here: http://www.trans4mind.com/nutrition/pH.html I'd also recommend probiotics, but again check the labels and many products have dairy byproducts in them. You've probably seen the activia yogurt commercials. These are dairy based products so you wouldn't want them, but they use probiotics in their yogurt to help regulate people and balance the intestinal bacteria. Vegan probiotics are available and they do work wonders for most people. http://www.nextag.com/vegan-probiotic/search-html You could also try antioxidants to boost the immune system as well as reduce pain and improve overall cell health in your body. Vitamins C & E as well as selenium are antioxidants. Blueberries, acai berry, most dark red and purple fruits and veggies are high in antioxidants. This is one of the main reasons vegetarians live longer! Fruits and vegetables have anti-aging molecules built in naturally! Dark greens are really good for you too! Don't take selenium if you have metal allergies or sensitivities as a high dose can cause respiratory problems or other unpleasant side effects! Jae On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 12:19 PM, pdw <pdworkman wrote: > I second this. The top food allergens are: > > 1. Milk > 2. Egg > 3. Peanut > 4. Tree nut (walnut, cashew, etc.) > 5. Fish > 6. Shellfish > 7. Soy > 8. Wheat > > Presumably you are here because you are vegan, so 1, 2, 5, and 6 are > not things that you are eating anyway. Though as Nancy says, you have > to watch closely for casein and other forms of dairy. > > If one of the top 8 is not a problem, or there is still something > bothering you after eliminating them, then I would also look at corn, > nightshades, other legumes, high-fructose fruits, and citrus. > > Since you are only having this reaction once in a while, you probably > don't need to do an elimination diet. > > Pam > > > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Nancy Ball <bomag<bomag%40centurytel.net>> > wrote: > > Hi Chelsey, A complete food diary is probably the first place to > > start. Keep track of everything that goes down the pipes, including > > herbs and spices, teas, etc. And keep in mind that reactions can come > > from foods eaten the day before the symptoms start. If the pains are > > that seldom, it could be one little thing. (watch for sodium caseinate, > > which reacts like milk in some people) I have one niece who's allergic > > to cocoa powder (but not chocolate) and a niece on the other side who's > > allergic to artificial cinnamon flavoring. It could wind up being > > microbial contamination or environmental such as fragrances, but food > > seems the most likely here. Figuring it out brings such a wonderful > > feeling of control. > > > > And let us know how you do. > > Nancy > > > > chelseylcary wrote: > >> > >> I have a sensitive stomach via why i became vegan and started to stray > >> away from gluten. However, im not sure that is what is causing my > >> stomach problems. The stomach achs i get are usually ones every couple > >> months and last all night long from 7p to 7a and i can stop moving nor > >> fall asleep. Can anyone help? > >> > >> chelsey > >> > >> > >> ------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >> Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1994 - Release Date: > 03/10/09 > >> 19:51:00 > >> > >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 First off thanks for all of your responses. I just recently moved to NYC this past October. I have not had time to go to the doctors yet and get another opinion on this crazy stomach problem. I have had it since i was 5 and now at 22 im just fed up with being handed a pill and hoping it might work. Ive been tested over and over, but have not seen a specialist. The pain like said before lasts from 7p to 7a, i often refer to the pain as a knife stabbing me in right below my breast plate. the pain is so intense i cant sit or stand, i dont feel nasious, i usually take a hot bath, cant go to the restroom, try to relax, but eventually at 6am i make myself throw up, finally after all of this is done i just pass out from exaution. i want to see a specialest when i have a spare moment at work, but need to find someone good <who also takes my insurance.> I do stay away from Casesin, im a firm believer of reading everything i put into my body. i just wish i knew what this problem was/is. Food diary is definatly necessary, but then again im not sure if its food related. Thanks once again... keep them coming! Chelsey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 That sounds like what I had before I realized I was intolerant of beef and dairy. Except it would last three days. So in my case, yes, it was a food intolerance. My son does this too, with gluten. The key for us has been - pay attention to what you are throwing up. That's probably the culprit! Pam On 3/11/09, chelseylcary <chelseylcary wrote: > First off thanks for all of your responses. I just recently moved to NYC > this past October. I have not had time to go to the doctors yet and get > another opinion on this crazy stomach problem. I have had it since i was 5 > and now at 22 im just fed up with being handed a pill and hoping it might > work. Ive been tested over and over, but have not seen a specialist. The > pain like said before lasts from 7p to 7a, i often refer to the pain as a > knife stabbing me in right below my breast plate. the pain is so intense i > cant sit or stand, i dont feel nasious, i usually take a hot bath, cant go > to the restroom, try to relax, but eventually at 6am i make myself throw up, > finally after all of this is done i just pass out from exaution. i want to > see a specialest when i have a spare moment at work, but need to find > someone good <who also takes my insurance.> > > I do stay away from Casesin, im a firm believer of reading everything i put > into my body. i just wish i knew what this problem was/is. Food diary is > definatly necessary, but then again im not sure if its food related. Thanks > once again... keep them coming! > > Chelsey > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 That sounds exactly like pancreatitis.You should go to the ER when the attack starts and have them check you amylase and lipase levels to be sure. If that is what's going on then they'll put you on IV fluids and let you GI tract rest for a few days. They also want to give antibiotics and pain meds. I refuse both because they do me more harm and I have holistic alternatives that I prefer. That's a personal choice you have to make for yourself. Finding a good specialist is difficult. Most, whithout even examining you, diagnose IBS and give you pills that seem to make it worse! I once had a doctor try to diagnose me over the phone and offered to call in a prescription to the pharmacy. That was the first time I called the place too, so he had no background info or anything! Then another doctor I saw once kept insisting on me take a prescription for medication I'm severely allergic to! I looked her square in the eye and said you do realize that no pharmacist would ethically even fill this! I have a long list of horror stories dealing with doctors! I hate MD's and I am very biased against them with just cause! Unfortunately we do need them for some things. My PCP is actually a DO and I love him! He actually listens, examines, and considers side effects and health risk before prescribing tests or medications. He also takes the time to talk to you and explain anything or just discuss options and then you make the choice of what you want! I don't know if all DO's are like that, but it's you've had a lot of bad experiences with MD's, it wouldn't hurt to look for a DO and give them a try. You could just go to the ER and once you get a diagnoses then go from there. The hospitals usually refer specialist that are covered on your insurance and typically insurance of any kind will cover the ER at any location, even if they don't normally cover services at that hospital. It's good to go at that moment too because whatever is going on, it's going to be clear. If you have acute pancreatitis, after the attack everything goes back to normal and then it's going to be overlooked. Once the problem becomes chronic though, it never goes back to normal and then your in constant pain for life! A lot of conditions are like that and in some cases people have died. Don't be fooled by the word acute because acute conditions are more serious than chronic ones! So please go to the ER next time it starts, for your own well being! Once you have a diagnoses then we can talk holistic, alternative, complimentary and vegan/allergen safe therapies and supplements. Take care of you! On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 9:33 PM, chelseylcary <chelseylcarywrote: > First off thanks for all of your responses. I just recently moved to NYC > this past October. I have not had time to go to the doctors yet and get > another opinion on this crazy stomach problem. I have had it since i was 5 > and now at 22 im just fed up with being handed a pill and hoping it might > work. Ive been tested over and over, but have not seen a specialist. The > pain like said before lasts from 7p to 7a, i often refer to the pain as a > knife stabbing me in right below my breast plate. the pain is so intense i > cant sit or stand, i dont feel nasious, i usually take a hot bath, cant go > to the restroom, try to relax, but eventually at 6am i make myself throw up, > finally after all of this is done i just pass out from exaution. i want to > see a specialest when i have a spare moment at work, but need to find > someone good <who also takes my insurance.> > > I do stay away from Casesin, im a firm believer of reading everything i put > into my body. i just wish i knew what this problem was/is. Food diary is > definatly necessary, but then again im not sure if its food related. Thanks > once again... keep them coming! > > Chelsey > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 , " chelseylcary " <chelseylcary wrote: > > First off thanks for all of your responses. I just recently moved to NYC this past October. I have not had time to go to the doctors yet and get another opinion on this crazy stomach problem. I have had it since i was 5 and now at 22 im just fed up with being handed a pill and hoping it might work. Ive been tested over and over, but have not seen a specialist. The pain like said before lasts from 7p to 7a, i often refer to the pain as a knife stabbing me in right below my breast plate. the pain is so intense i cant sit or stand, i dont feel nasious, i usually take a hot bath, cant go to the restroom, try to relax, but eventually at 6am i make myself throw up, finally after all of this is done i just pass out from exaution. i want to see a specialest when i have a spare moment at work, but need to find someone good <who also takes my insurance.> I am answering your post because the symptoms you describe remind me of myself--I had the pain, etc., that you are talking about. When I was 32 I was diagnosed with Meckel's Diverticulitis, you can read about this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meckel%27s_diverticulum to see if this is what you are experiencing. My sister had it too, actually she was diagnosed at 21, she had surgery for it and has had no further problems, she is now 46. I had the same surgery she had when I was 32 and have had no further problems and I am 56. We both had " stomach aches " from the time we were very young children, not every day, but sporadically. As someone else on here said, I am not a doctor, and strongly suggest that you see one and have them look for this. It is basically a rare birth defect, but for those people who have it, it is quite painful at times. Good luck, hope this helps you a bit. Karen in Arizona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Also, I don't know if anyone has actually answered the question you are asking, which is, can someone explain being allergic to gluten? An allergy and an intolerance are different things. An allergy to something is an immune system response. It occurs when the body mistakes an ingredient in food -- usually a protein -- as harmful and creates a defense system (antibodies) to fight it. Allergy symptoms develop when the antibodies are battling the " invading " food. This results most commonly in itchy, watering eyes, itchy throat, sneezing, rashes, hives, swelling in the throat and other mucus membranes, and sometimes anaphylactic shock. Allergies can be life threatening. The onset of allergic reactions can be quick, happening in just minutes after ingesting a substance you are allergic to. Allergies can be diagnosed by doing skin scratch tests. You can take allergy shots to build up a resistance to specific allergies. Allergies can be treated by taking things like benadryl or epenephrine in a shot to counteract the immune response. A food intolerance is a digestive system response rather than an immune system response. It occurs when something in a food irritates a person's digestive system or when a person is unable to properly digest or breakdown, the food. When you have an intolerance to something, your digestive tract can be damaged when you eat the food you are intolerant to. If the intestines are inflamed because you continue to eat that food, you may not be able to absorb the nutrients from the food you eat. The longer you eat a food you are intolerant to, the more likely you are to be undernourished even though you may " look " healthy or even fat. It is more difficult to diagnose an intolerance to a food. Scratch tests may not show up that you are " allergic " to wheat, but you can still be gluten intolerant even are not allergic to wheat. Sometimes even if you have blood tests to test for intolerances, they are not conclusive. The best way to figure out if you are intolerant of something is to take it out of your diet and see if you feel better. The only way to treat an intolerance it to not ingest the offending food. There are no " cures " or treatments for them. I am gluten intolerant. I have never been tested or diagnosed for gluten intolerance by a doctor, but I don't need a doctor to tell me that I am gluten intolerant. Every time I eat something that has gluten in it, my stomach hurts, and I get a headache. Anyway, I hope this is of some help to you. Karen in Arizona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Very interesting. I have a genetic disorder in which defects in a number of organs are more common. Searching this one and my disorder turns up tons of hits. Tell me, how did you come to be diagnosed? Pam On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:45 AM, Karen <kokomomo1 wrote: > , " chelseylcary " > <chelseylcary wrote: >> >> First off thanks for all of your responses. I just recently moved to NYC >> this past October. I have not had time to go to the doctors yet and get >> another opinion on this crazy stomach problem. I have had it since i was 5 >> and now at 22 im just fed up with being handed a pill and hoping it might >> work. Ive been tested over and over, but have not seen a specialist. The >> pain like said before lasts from 7p to 7a, i often refer to the pain as a >> knife stabbing me in right below my breast plate. the pain is so intense i >> cant sit or stand, i dont feel nasious, i usually take a hot bath, cant go >> to the restroom, try to relax, but eventually at 6am i make myself throw up, >> finally after all of this is done i just pass out from exaution. i want to >> see a specialest when i have a spare moment at work, but need to find >> someone good <who also takes my insurance.> > > I am answering your post because the symptoms you describe remind me of > myself--I had the pain, etc., that you are talking about. When I was 32 I > was diagnosed with Meckel's Diverticulitis, you can read about this here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meckel%27s_diverticulum > to see if this is what you are experiencing. My sister had it too, actually > she was diagnosed at 21, she had surgery for it and has had no further > problems, she is now 46. I had the same surgery she had when I was 32 and > have had no further problems and I am 56. > > We both had " stomach aches " from the time we were very young children, not > every day, but sporadically. > > As someone else on here said, I am not a doctor, and strongly suggest that > you see one and have them look for this. It is basically a rare birth > defect, but for those people who have it, it is quite painful at times. > > Good luck, hope this helps you a bit. > > Karen in Arizona > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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