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December 31, 2003

In a message dated 12/31/03 4:03:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, Ladyrings writes:

I am wondering what people's thoughts here are on the info that

has been showing on tv with the holstein cow falling down on the

cement? Does anyone feel sorry for this cow, who is repeatedly

falling down and trying to stand up and falling again? And there are

other sad pictures on tv too.

downer cattle be a sad fact of modern factory farming...

thousands happen every year....and are often lifted up with forklifts and brought into slaughterhaus...

even with the new rules, downer cattle will still get ground up fer pet food...

instead of going for the source of downer cattle(cramped conditions, BSE, injuries etc) they just sweep it all under the rug...

keep smiling fer the cameras..

December 31, 2003

In a message dated 12/31/03 4:03:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, Ladyrings writes:

I know this is how it really happens

in real life, but I wonder how people can watch it while drinking

their milk and eating their hamburgers, and not wonder about how they

are contributing to this?

easy..

most folks, especially here in the US, disconnect all references of cows and that plastic wrapped cutlet in Safeway in their minds..

December 31, 2003

In a message dated 12/31/03 5:28:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, sunmusicstrings writes:

If I understand the news correctly today, there is in the US a federal law being passed, or passed today, which will prohbiit the use of downer animals for food. This is a victory (if I understanding correctly) for our side.

well

sorta

the downer cows will still be used fer pet food...

and i'm not sure who er if it affects rendering plants...

January 1, 2004

Hi Annie: I'm new to the list also, but I wanted to respond. Getting the milk out of the morning coffee is easy - soy milk.

And yeah, I agree. How can people see those pictures and not be outraged? They won't let themselves feel, that's how, I think. And then their minds think up all sorts of rationalizations (excuses), like how "the Bible" says men are supposed to "have dominion" over animals (doesn't say anything about torturing them, however) and -- here's the latest one I've heard -- some comedian was saying that animals were predatory for humans for ages, and now it's our turn! As if we should be paying them back, instead of moving forward together, with them.

But yeah, it's hard to see those pictures! When I see things like that, I want to spend my every waking moments protecting animals.

EM

Annie <Ladyrings wrote:

Hello, I am new to this site and would like to introduce myself. My name is Annie and I have been vegetarian for about 6 years. I have been "almost vegan" for just as long, and am working on getting that last bit of cow milk out of my morning coffee. I am wondering what people's thoughts here are on the info that has been showing on tv with the holstein cow falling down on the cement? Does anyone feel sorry for this cow, who is repeatedly falling down and trying to stand up and falling again? And there are other sad pictures on tv too. I know this is how it really happens in real life, but I wonder how people can watch it while drinking their milk and eating their hamburgers, and not wonder about how they are contributing to this?

I know, I'm preaching to the choir, but no one I know seems to feel anything but a concern that they might have gotten the disease. I wish all beings peace, AnnieTo send an email to -

January 1, 2004

If I understand the news correctly today, there is in the US a federal law being passed, or passed today, which will prohbiit the use of downer animals for food. This is a victory (if I understanding correctly) for our side.

EBbrewpunx wrote:

In a message dated 12/31/03 4:03:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, Ladyrings writes:

I am wondering what people's thoughts here are on the info that has been showing on tv with the holstein cow falling down on the cement? Does anyone feel sorry for this cow, who is repeatedly falling down and trying to stand up and falling again? And there are other sad pictures on tv too. downer cattle be a sad fact of modern factory farming...thousands happen every year....and are often lifted up with forklifts and brought into slaughterhaus...even with the new rules, downer cattle will still get ground up fer pet food...instead of going for the source of downer cattle(cramped conditions, BSE, injuries etc) they just sweep it all under the rug...keep smiling fer the cameras.. To send an email to -

January 4, 2004

It's that whole "beef: It's what's rotting in your colon" thing. I understand we have to push that aspect because, sadly, our most persuasive argument is one concerning HUMAN health, but it makes me ill to think that the only thing affecting most other people of MY species is their own personal harm. I am with you, Annie, in that it eats away at me how anyone can be so callous as to watch someone else suffer and only think, "I hope that doesn't inconvenience me at all." I don't understand it and it cripples my philosophy that most everyone is inherently good. Good people have compassion, and I don't see very much compassion extending beyond human affairs. The truth is that the separation between a live creature and the hamburger that she or he will become is so insurmountably ingrained into our minds that most humans (even those who consider themselves to be compassionate) could hear about the horrors of the slaughterhouse, while taking a bite out of their sloppy joe, shake their heads and say,"how awful," without ever stopping to think how they could help. Please continue to care, everyone. ~~Brii

from: "Annie"

> > > New to Site >Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:34:15 -0000 > >Hello, > I am new to this site and would like to introduce myself. My >name is Annie and I have been vegetarian for about 6 years. I have >been "almost vegan" for just as long, and am working on getting that >last bit of cow milk out of my morning coffee. > I am wondering what people's thoughts here are on the info that >has been showing on tv with the holstein cow falling down on the >cement? Does anyone feel sorry for this cow, who is repeatedly >falling down and trying to stand up and falling again? And there are >other sad pictures on tv too. I know this is how it really happens >in real life, but I wonder how people can watch it while drinking >their milk and eating their hamburgers, and not wonder about how they >are contributing to this? > I know, I'm preaching to the choir, but no one I know seems to >feel anything but a concern that they might have gotten the disease. > > >I wish all beings peace, Annie > > Take advantage of our limited-time introductory offer for dial-up Internet access.

January 15, 2005

greetings and welcome denniscro Jan 14, 2005 6:14 PM new to site Hi, I'm a new vegan, joined to learn more about being a vegan. The notmilk.com website is great. ThankyouTo send an email to -

January 15, 2005

Hi Dennis (?)

Welcome to the group.

Jo

>

> Hi, I'm a new vegan, joined to learn more about being a vegan. The

> notmilk.com website is great. Thankyou

>

To send an email to -

>

January 16, 2005

Me too! I am also new!

Bryan

http://www.Rawinten.comJo Cwazy <heartwork wrote:

Hi Dennis (?)Welcome to the group.Jo> > Hi, I'm a new vegan, joined to learn more about being a vegan. The > notmilk.com website is great. Thankyou> > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - >

February 24, 2008

Welcome and congratulations on getting your family healtier and improving the

environment!

What types of foods does your family like? It is easier to " get off of " meat

by starting with familiar tasting foods.

itshotinjt04 <itshotinjt04 wrote:

Hi. I am new to the site and looking for a life-style change for my

family. I know going completely meatless will take some time, as I was

raised as a " steak and potato " person. I am mainly looking for recipes

that my kids will eat, they are in the picky stage right now.

Something simple, tasteful, and easy on the budget. I hope to learn a

lot from this group!!

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February 25, 2008

Well, I would like to be lacto-ovo vegetarians one day (hopefully). My boys will

eat scrambled eggs and cheese more happily than cereal everyday. Chicken has

been a big part of our lives, so if there is anything veggie-based that is

similar to chicken, that would be great. I was going to buy some veggie burgers

at the store, but $4.00 for four small patties seemed a bit outrageous. If

anyone knows of a good veggie burger recipe, I would be grateful. I was making a

veggie lasagna dish, but hubby tired of that, so new lasagna dishes would be

great.

Also, in the controversy of soy products, what is a better alternative? My

toddler drinks soy milk, but now I am worried with the rumors of the possibility

of him developing breasts. The rice milk says not to give to children and there

was no almond milk at my store (that I could find).

Thanks to all in advance!

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February 25, 2008

We make our own seitan (it's also known as wheat gluten), and that has more

of the consistency closer to meat. I never had good luck boiling it, but

I've had good results with baking it. I won't buy it in the store because

it's very expensive, but making it from scratch with the gluten flour (one

package of that costs about what the pre-made stuff does, but you get about

8 times out of the flour or mix).

I adapted a recipe I found for seitan-pastrami from here:

http://www.vegan-food.net/category/meat/

there is also a bbq seitan recipe that rocks my world (LOL), and you can

finish it either on the grill or in the oven here:

http://blog.fatfreevegan.com/2007/05/barbecued-seitan-ribz.html

There's also an Alton Brown recipe for split pea burgers that are amazing

(and vegan already!) somewhere on the foodnetwork ( I don't have my link

handy though it should be easy enough to find there).

I did a lot of reading on the soy issue, and we do not believe it to be an

issue for our son (he does love his soymilk and tofu, which is why we read

up on it anywhere we could). I believe it's the more processed soy protein

isolates that are the problem and not the whole soy (like edamame, and even

soymilk and tofu). Good luck in your decisions about it.

Hope this helps.

Missie

On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 1:19 PM, S & T <itshotinjt04 wrote:

> Well, I would like to be lacto-ovo vegetarians one day (hopefully). My

> boys will eat scrambled eggs and cheese more happily than cereal everyday.

> Chicken has been a big part of our lives, so if there is anything

> veggie-based that is similar to chicken, that would be great. I was going to

> buy some veggie burgers at the store, but $4.00 for four small patties

> seemed a bit outrageous. If anyone knows of a good veggie burger recipe, I

> would be grateful. I was making a veggie lasagna dish, but hubby tired of

> that, so new lasagna dishes would be great.

> Also, in the controversy of soy products, what is a better alternative? My

> toddler drinks soy milk, but now I am worried with the rumors of the

> possibility of him developing breasts. The rice milk says not to give to

> children and there was no almond milk at my store (that I could find).

> Thanks to all in advance!

>

> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.

>

February 25, 2008

Same question as below regarding giving soy to my toddler. Do you know why

rice milk I bad to give to a child? I was hoping to give my son soy milk in

the morning, oj with calcium at lunch and rice milk with calcium at dinner.

Thanks for your comments!

_____

On

Behalf Of S & T

Monday, February 25, 2008 2:19 PM

Re: New to site

Well, I would like to be lacto-ovo vegetarians one day (hopefully). My boys

will eat scrambled eggs and cheese more happily than cereal everyday.

Chicken has been a big part of our lives, so if there is anything

veggie-based that is similar to chicken, that would be great. I was going to

buy some veggie burgers at the store, but $4.00 for four small patties

seemed a bit outrageous. If anyone knows of a good veggie burger recipe, I

would be grateful. I was making a veggie lasagna dish, but hubby tired of

that, so new lasagna dishes would be great.

Also, in the controversy of soy products, what is a better alternative? My

toddler drinks soy milk, but now I am worried with the rumors of the

possibility of him developing breasts. The rice milk says not to give to

children and there was no almond milk at my store (that I could find).

Thanks to all in advance!

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February 25, 2008

I can't imagine why rice milk would be bad for kids. I did a quick on-line

search and did not come up with anything.

Karen Miller <karen wrote: Same question as below

regarding giving soy to my toddler. Do you know why

rice milk I bad to give to a child? I was hoping to give my son soy milk in

the morning, oj with calcium at lunch and rice milk with calcium at dinner.

Thanks for your comments!

_____

On

Behalf Of S & T

Monday, February 25, 2008 2:19 PM

Re: New to site

Well, I would like to be lacto-ovo vegetarians one day (hopefully). My boys

will eat scrambled eggs and cheese more happily than cereal everyday.

Chicken has been a big part of our lives, so if there is anything

veggie-based that is similar to chicken, that would be great. I was going to

buy some veggie burgers at the store, but $4.00 for four small patties

seemed a bit outrageous. If anyone knows of a good veggie burger recipe, I

would be grateful. I was making a veggie lasagna dish, but hubby tired of

that, so new lasagna dishes would be great.

Also, in the controversy of soy products, what is a better alternative? My

toddler drinks soy milk, but now I am worried with the rumors of the

possibility of him developing breasts. The rice milk says not to give to

children and there was no almond milk at my store (that I could find).

Thanks to all in advance!

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February 25, 2008

Hi S & T,

For veggie burgers, we usually just choke down the price and get the box

of patties - you can often find coupons for them in the paper and

online, so that helps the cost. We also use the powdered mixes

sometimes - like Frontier's Soy Burger Mix or Nature's Burger or bulk

from the health food store. We belong to the Frontier Co-op, so it's

much cheaper that way than to pay full retail. And for lasagna, I use

tofu instead of ricotta, lots and lots of mozzarella, and lots of

veggies - zucchini, onion, carrots, spinach, tomatoes, etc. I also do a

layered enchilada dish that is sort of like lasagna - layering corn

tortillas that were quickly dipped in hot oil, with a salsa/tomato sauce

mix, cheese and whatever else - black beans, corn, tomatoes, onions,

cilantro, etc. Super fast and easy. Oh, and I've been getting some

really great recipes from www.veganlunchbox.com

<http://www.veganlunchbox.com/> . Just made the tofu " fish " sticks last

night, and got a request to make them again tonight! :-) You could

also look at the Moosewood cookbooks, Linda McCartney's books, and we

really like an old Vegetarian Times cookbook we've had for years and

years. Have fun!

And about soy - we are careful to not overdo soy due to the

phytoestrogen concern, but we still eat and drink it regularly. We try

to not have all our protein in a day come from soy, and try to have it

only every other day. But, I also just heard that flax seeds have more

phytoestrogens than soy! Never heard that one before, and I'm eating

flax every day. Oi. And I think at this point, kids might be more

likely to have hormonal problems related to hormones and chemicals in

non-organic dairy and meat anyway - but that might be the organic

chocolate soy milk talking right now. :-)

Best of luck!

Lorraine

On

Behalf Of S & T

Monday, February 25, 2008 11:19 AM

Re: New to site

Well, I would like to be lacto-ovo vegetarians one day (hopefully). My

boys will eat scrambled eggs and cheese more happily than cereal

everyday. Chicken has been a big part of our lives, so if there is

anything veggie-based that is similar to chicken, that would be great. I

was going to buy some veggie burgers at the store, but $4.00 for four

small patties seemed a bit outrageous. If anyone knows of a good veggie

burger recipe, I would be grateful. I was making a veggie lasagna dish,

but hubby tired of that, so new lasagna dishes would be great.

Also, in the controversy of soy products, what is a better alternative?

My toddler drinks soy milk, but now I am worried with the rumors of the

possibility of him developing breasts. The rice milk says not to give to

children and there was no almond milk at my store (that I could find).

Thanks to all in advance!

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February 26, 2008

For links to LEGITIMATE soy information try this site...

http://www.bryannaclarkgrogan.com/page/page/3476771.htm

, " Lorraine Demi " <ldemi wrote:

>

> Hi S & T,

> For veggie burgers, we usually just choke down the price and get

the box

> of patties - you can often find coupons for them in the paper and

> online, so that helps the cost. We also use the powdered mixes

> sometimes - like Frontier's Soy Burger Mix or Nature's Burger or

bulk

> from the health food store. We belong to the Frontier Co-op, so

it's

> much cheaper that way than to pay full retail. And for lasagna, I

use

> tofu instead of ricotta, lots and lots of mozzarella, and lots of

> veggies - zucchini, onion, carrots, spinach, tomatoes, etc. I also

do a

> layered enchilada dish that is sort of like lasagna - layering corn

> tortillas that were quickly dipped in hot oil, with a salsa/tomato

sauce

> mix, cheese and whatever else - black beans, corn, tomatoes, onions,

> cilantro, etc. Super fast and easy. Oh, and I've been getting some

> really great recipes from www.veganlunchbox.com

> <http://www.veganlunchbox.com/> . Just made the tofu " fish " sticks

last

> night, and got a request to make them again tonight! :-) You could

> also look at the Moosewood cookbooks, Linda McCartney's books, and

we

> really like an old Vegetarian Times cookbook we've had for years and

> years. Have fun!

>

> And about soy - we are careful to not overdo soy due to the

> phytoestrogen concern, but we still eat and drink it regularly. We

try

> to not have all our protein in a day come from soy, and try to have

it

> only every other day. But, I also just heard that flax seeds have

more

> phytoestrogens than soy! Never heard that one before, and I'm

eating

> flax every day. Oi. And I think at this point, kids might be more

> likely to have hormonal problems related to hormones and chemicals

in

> non-organic dairy and meat anyway - but that might be the organic

> chocolate soy milk talking right now. :-)

> Best of luck!

> Lorraine

>

On

> Behalf Of S & T

> Monday, February 25, 2008 11:19 AM

>

> Re: New to site

>

> Well, I would like to be lacto-ovo vegetarians one day (hopefully).

My

> boys will eat scrambled eggs and cheese more happily than cereal

> everyday. Chicken has been a big part of our lives, so if there is

> anything veggie-based that is similar to chicken, that would be

great. I

> was going to buy some veggie burgers at the store, but $4.00 for

four

> small patties seemed a bit outrageous. If anyone knows of a good

veggie

> burger recipe, I would be grateful. I was making a veggie lasagna

dish,

> but hubby tired of that, so new lasagna dishes would be great.

> Also, in the controversy of soy products, what is a better

alternative?

> My toddler drinks soy milk, but now I am worried with the rumors of

the

> possibility of him developing breasts. The rice milk says not to

give to

> children and there was no almond milk at my store (that I could

find).

> Thanks to all in advance!

>

> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

> Search.

>

February 26, 2008

To all,

I have been limiting the amount of soy for my 5 year old son- first because

we are trying to do a better job of eating a whole foods diet and most soy

products other than edamame are quite processed and often not very

nutritive. Second, I read an article from Mothering magazine several years

ago that made sense to me..after all soy companies are just like the meat

and dairy industry - out to protect their business and turn a profit. just

because these industries produce vegan foods I can eat does not make them

healthful for my child. Anyway - for what it is worth we do consume soy,

but try to limit the amount of processed soy as well as focus on many

healthful protein alternatives. This article does not point out conclusive

evidence that soy can be harmful, it just gets you thinking about the volume

and quantity you put into your diet- which I think is the important piece,

making sure there is variety and moderation.

http://www.mothering.com/articles/growing_child/food/soy_story.html

Thanks

- Paige

_____

On

Behalf Of Inga McFadden

Monday, February 25, 2008 4:12 PM

Re: New to site

For links to LEGITIMATE soy information try this site...

http://www.bryannac

<http://www.bryannaclarkgrogan.com/page/page/3476771.htm>

larkgrogan.com/page/page/3476771.htm

@gro <%40> ups.com,

" Lorraine Demi " <ldemi wrote:

>

> Hi S & T,

> For veggie burgers, we usually just choke down the price and get

the box

> of patties - you can often find coupons for them in the paper and

> online, so that helps the cost. We also use the powdered mixes

> sometimes - like Frontier's Soy Burger Mix or Nature's Burger or

bulk

> from the health food store. We belong to the Frontier Co-op, so

it's

> much cheaper that way than to pay full retail. And for lasagna, I

use

> tofu instead of ricotta, lots and lots of mozzarella, and lots of

> veggies - zucchini, onion, carrots, spinach, tomatoes, etc. I also

do a

> layered enchilada dish that is sort of like lasagna - layering corn

> tortillas that were quickly dipped in hot oil, with a salsa/tomato

sauce

> mix, cheese and whatever else - black beans, corn, tomatoes, onions,

> cilantro, etc. Super fast and easy. Oh, and I've been getting some

> really great recipes from www.veganlunchbox.com

> <http://www.veganlun <http://www.veganlunchbox.com/> chbox.com/> . Just

made the tofu " fish " sticks

last

> night, and got a request to make them again tonight! :-) You could

> also look at the Moosewood cookbooks, Linda McCartney's books, and

we

> really like an old Vegetarian Times cookbook we've had for years and

> years. Have fun!

>

> And about soy - we are careful to not overdo soy due to the

> phytoestrogen concern, but we still eat and drink it regularly. We

try

> to not have all our protein in a day come from soy, and try to have

it

> only every other day. But, I also just heard that flax seeds have

more

> phytoestrogens than soy! Never heard that one before, and I'm

eating

> flax every day. Oi. And I think at this point, kids might be more

> likely to have hormonal problems related to hormones and chemicals

in

> non-organic dairy and meat anyway - but that might be the organic

> chocolate soy milk talking right now. :-)

> Best of luck!

> Lorraine

>

> @gro <%40> ups.com

[@gro <%40> ups.com]

On

> Behalf Of S & T

> Monday, February 25, 2008 11:19 AM

> @gro <%40> ups.com

> Re: New to site

>

> Well, I would like to be lacto-ovo vegetarians one day (hopefully).

My

> boys will eat scrambled eggs and cheese more happily than cereal

> everyday. Chicken has been a big part of our lives, so if there is

> anything veggie-based that is similar to chicken, that would be

great. I

> was going to buy some veggie burgers at the store, but $4.00 for

four

> small patties seemed a bit outrageous. If anyone knows of a good

veggie

> burger recipe, I would be grateful. I was making a veggie lasagna

dish,

> but hubby tired of that, so new lasagna dishes would be great.

> Also, in the controversy of soy products, what is a better

alternative?

> My toddler drinks soy milk, but now I am worried with the rumors of

the

> possibility of him developing breasts. The rice milk says not to

give to

> children and there was no almond milk at my store (that I could

find).

> Thanks to all in advance!

>

> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

> Search.

>

February 26, 2008

Here's another excellent, balanced and referenced article that addresses

the many myths about soy:

http://www.foodrevolution.org/what_about_soy.htm

Inga McFadden wrote:

>

> For links to LEGITIMATE soy information try this site...

> http://www.bryannaclarkgrogan.com/page/page/3476771.htm

> <http://www.bryannaclarkgrogan.com/page/page/3476771.htm>

>

> <%40>, " Lorraine Demi " <ldemi wrote:

> >

> > Hi S & T,

> > For veggie burgers, we usually just choke down the price and get

> the box

> > of patties - you can often find coupons for them in the paper and

> > online, so that helps the cost. We also use the powdered mixes

> > sometimes - like Frontier's Soy Burger Mix or Nature's Burger or

> bulk

> > from the health food store. We belong to the Frontier Co-op, so

> it's

> > much cheaper that way than to pay full retail. And for lasagna, I

> use

> > tofu instead of ricotta, lots and lots of mozzarella, and lots of

> > veggies - zucchini, onion, carrots, spinach, tomatoes, etc. I also

> do a

> > layered enchilada dish that is sort of like lasagna - layering corn

> > tortillas that were quickly dipped in hot oil, with a salsa/tomato

> sauce

> > mix, cheese and whatever else - black beans, corn, tomatoes, onions,

> > cilantro, etc. Super fast and easy. Oh, and I've been getting some

> > really great recipes from www.veganlunchbox.com

> > <http://www.veganlunchbox.com/ <http://www.veganlunchbox.com/>> .

> Just made the tofu " fish " sticks

> last

> > night, and got a request to make them again tonight! :-) You could

> > also look at the Moosewood cookbooks, Linda McCartney's books, and

> we

> > really like an old Vegetarian Times cookbook we've had for years and

> > years. Have fun!

> >

> > And about soy - we are careful to not overdo soy due to the

> > phytoestrogen concern, but we still eat and drink it regularly. We

> try

> > to not have all our protein in a day come from soy, and try to have

> it

> > only every other day. But, I also just heard that flax seeds have

> more

> > phytoestrogens than soy! Never heard that one before, and I'm

> eating

> > flax every day. Oi. And I think at this point, kids might be more

> > likely to have hormonal problems related to hormones and chemicals

> in

> > non-organic dairy and meat anyway - but that might be the organic

> > chocolate soy milk talking right now. :-)

> > Best of luck!

> > Lorraine

> >

> > <%40>

> [

> <%40>] On

> > Behalf Of S & T

> > Monday, February 25, 2008 11:19 AM

> > <%40>

> > Re: New to site

> >

> > Well, I would like to be lacto-ovo vegetarians one day (hopefully).

> My

> > boys will eat scrambled eggs and cheese more happily than cereal

> > everyday. Chicken has been a big part of our lives, so if there is

> > anything veggie-based that is similar to chicken, that would be

> great. I

> > was going to buy some veggie burgers at the store, but $4.00 for

> four

> > small patties seemed a bit outrageous. If anyone knows of a good

> veggie

> > burger recipe, I would be grateful. I was making a veggie lasagna

> dish,

> > but hubby tired of that, so new lasagna dishes would be great.

> > Also, in the controversy of soy products, what is a better

> alternative?

> > My toddler drinks soy milk, but now I am worried with the rumors of

> the

> > possibility of him developing breasts. The rice milk says not to

> give to

> > children and there was no almond milk at my store (that I could

> find).

> > Thanks to all in advance!

> >

> > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

> > Search.

> >

February 26, 2008

Hi Inga,

Thanks for this! Great info!

Lorraine

On

Behalf Of Inga McFadden

Monday, February 25, 2008 4:12 PM

Re: New to site

For links to LEGITIMATE soy information try this site...

http://www.bryannac

<http://www.bryannaclarkgrogan.com/page/page/3476771.htm>

larkgrogan.com/page/page/3476771.htm

@gro <%40>

ups.com, " Lorraine Demi " <ldemi wrote:

>

> Hi S & T,

> For veggie burgers, we usually just choke down the price and get

the box

> of patties - you can often find coupons for them in the paper and

> online, so that helps the cost. We also use the powdered mixes

> sometimes - like Frontier's Soy Burger Mix or Nature's Burger or

bulk

> from the health food store. We belong to the Frontier Co-op, so

it's

> much cheaper that way than to pay full retail. And for lasagna, I

use

> tofu instead of ricotta, lots and lots of mozzarella, and lots of

> veggies - zucchini, onion, carrots, spinach, tomatoes, etc. I also

do a

> layered enchilada dish that is sort of like lasagna - layering corn

> tortillas that were quickly dipped in hot oil, with a salsa/tomato

sauce

> mix, cheese and whatever else - black beans, corn, tomatoes, onions,

> cilantro, etc. Super fast and easy. Oh, and I've been getting some

> really great recipes from www.veganlunchbox.com

> <http://www.veganlun <http://www.veganlunchbox.com/> chbox.com/> .

Just made the tofu " fish " sticks

last

> night, and got a request to make them again tonight! :-) You could

> also look at the Moosewood cookbooks, Linda McCartney's books, and

we

> really like an old Vegetarian Times cookbook we've had for years and

> years. Have fun!

>

> And about soy - we are careful to not overdo soy due to the

> phytoestrogen concern, but we still eat and drink it regularly. We

try

> to not have all our protein in a day come from soy, and try to have

it

> only every other day. But, I also just heard that flax seeds have

more

> phytoestrogens than soy! Never heard that one before, and I'm

eating

> flax every day. Oi. And I think at this point, kids might be more

> likely to have hormonal problems related to hormones and chemicals

in

> non-organic dairy and meat anyway - but that might be the organic

> chocolate soy milk talking right now. :-)

> Best of luck!

> Lorraine

>

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> Well, I would like to be lacto-ovo vegetarians one day (hopefully).

My

> boys will eat scrambled eggs and cheese more happily than cereal

> everyday. Chicken has been a big part of our lives, so if there is

> anything veggie-based that is similar to chicken, that would be

great. I

> was going to buy some veggie burgers at the store, but $4.00 for

four

> small patties seemed a bit outrageous. If anyone knows of a good

veggie

> burger recipe, I would be grateful. I was making a veggie lasagna

dish,

> but hubby tired of that, so new lasagna dishes would be great.

> Also, in the controversy of soy products, what is a better

alternative?

> My toddler drinks soy milk, but now I am worried with the rumors of

the

> possibility of him developing breasts. The rice milk says not to

give to

> children and there was no almond milk at my store (that I could

find).

> Thanks to all in advance!

>

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February 26, 2008

Here is a recipe for lentil walnut burgers that are good. Even better they

freeze well so you can make a batch and keep some available for quick turn

around.

These go great with sweet potato or taro root baked fries.

http://www.molliekatzen.com/recipes/recipe.php?recipe=lentil_walnut_burgers

Also a taro burger- I have not tried the recipe below, but we got back from

Hawaii last week where we had a taro root burger and it was fantastic.

http://www.northjersey.com/food/anewleaf/A_new_leaf_Lo_nalani_taro_burger.ht

ml

Sometimes I go for a grilled portabella, sauté some onions and green peppers

and place them on a whole grain bun for a burger, or just eat it like a

steak, that is a great and fast option as well….

I try to use these recipes every few weeks so my kids feel like they are

getting “fun” food, but I know they are still getting good whole foods… I

also tend to cut down on the oil I use by using my misto.. I can lightly

spray olive oil instead of adding a lot of extra oil to the recipe.. not

sure if anyone else does that, but I like it a lot and don’t have to worry

about so much added oil/ fat. (more for my benefit than my son’s)

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Thanks,

Paige

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Well, I would like to be lacto-ovo vegetarians one day (hopefully). My boys

will eat scrambled eggs and cheese more happily than cereal everyday.

Chicken has been a big part of our lives, so if there is anything

veggie-based that is similar to chicken, that would be great. I was going to

buy some veggie burgers at the store, but $4.00 for four small patties

seemed a bit outrageous. If anyone knows of a good veggie burger recipe, I

would be grateful. I was making a veggie lasagna dish, but hubby tired of

that, so new lasagna dishes would be great.

Also, in the controversy of soy products, what is a better alternative? My

toddler drinks soy milk, but now I am worried with the rumors of the

possibility of him developing breasts. The rice milk says not to give to

children and there was no almond milk at my store (that I could find).

Thanks to all in advance!

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February 26, 2008

....there was no almond milk at my store (that I could find).

If you can get almonds for a reasonable price it's quite simple to

make almond milk:

1/2 c shelled raw almonds

1 TB maple syrup (optional)

2 c water

1. In blender, grind almonds to a fine powder. Add sweetener and 1 c

water. Blend again for 1 to 2 minutes to form a smooth cream.

2. Add remaining water slowly through top of blender.

3. Strain. Use either a fine strainer, or add cheesecloth or coffee

filter. This part takes the longest time, but I just pour the whole

thing in and cover it with a towel or something and let it filter for

an hour or so. If you use cheesecloth or filter you can gently

squeeze out any remaining liquid.

Really quite good and creamy. But last time I made it the price of

almonds was quite high. If I found almonds for a reasonable price

I'd definitely stock up and make this all the time! However, dd

didn't think it was as wonderful....baby steps.

Phyllis

February 26, 2008

I would take a look at the author of the article before believing all of it. I

would also look at the Weston A. Price Foundation if you haven't already to see

where a lot of these anti-soy authors come from. Here is a critique of her

book:

http://eatkind.net/wholesoystory.htm

For us, aiming for a variety of whole vegan foods makes us feel our best. I

don't see any one whole food as a miracle food nor do I see any vegan whole food

as a poison. We don't rely on any one food to provide a certain nutrient (eg

soy = protein...we get protein from a wide variety of legumes, nuts, seeds and

many vegetables and grains also provide protein...not a worry). It works for us

and there are so many things I could be worrying about that I don't spend much

time thinking about soy. :-)

People are probably getting more soy (and corn for that matter) in their diets

when they eat a SAD (standard American diet) full of highly processed

foods...that would worry me.

For the record, my oldest is vegan 8 years old, male, very healthy and no

breasts. :-)

Linda

http://triballife.net/ A Marketplace for a Better World

http://veganlinda.blogspot.com/

Paige <gosstucker

Monday, February 25, 2008 7:02:00 PM

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