Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Here's the latest on the theme of " getting enough protein isn't a problem, getting too much, is " . This is a quote from Dr. Luigi Fontana, MD, PhD from the 2008 issue of " Aging Cell " , in which research is published for the edification of the medical community. This is consistent with other research suggesting that limiting overall caloric intake to minimum has a similarly beneficial effect. :-) Quote: " .our data provide evidence that protein intake is a key determinant of circulating IGF-1 levels in humans, and suggest that reduced protein intake may become an important component of anticancer and anti-aging dietary interventions. " This quote was in a recent newsletter from Dr. John McDougall, announcing Fontana's lecture at an event in September. Deborah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 They may be on to something with the anti-aging effects of lower protein diets. I have always eaten a low protein diet simply because of health issues and getting sick if I eat too much protein. I'm going to be 31 next month and last week, yet again, I was mistaken as a teenager! I've even had kids ask me if I'm an adult or a teenager because I look too young to be an adult. It's frustrating, especially when my hubby is mistaken as my father! I'm sure in another 10 years or so when I look 20ish it won't be so bad! lol It's not genetics because as far as I know everyone in my family ages normally, or fast. A lot of smokers, all meat eaters, many diabetics. I don't smoke, I eat healthy (as healthy as I can...about 600 calories a day), and I don't get stressed out. Stress is a big factor in aging too! My aunt has been so stressed out the past 5 years over her job that she now looks older than my mother who is 3 years older than her! I'm sure diet plays a big role in that too! You can't live on McDonalds and KFC and expect to be healthy! Somehow though, everyone who does seems to think they should be healthier than they are. =I On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Deborah Pageau <dpageau wrote: > > > Here's the latest on the theme of " getting enough protein isn't a problem, > getting too much, is " . This is a quote from Dr. Luigi Fontana, MD, PhD from > the 2008 issue of " Aging Cell " , in which research is published for the > edification of the medical community. This is consistent with other research > suggesting that limiting overall caloric intake to minimum has a similarly > beneficial effect. :-) > > Quote: " .our data provide evidence that protein intake is a key determinant > of circulating IGF-1 levels in humans, and suggest that reduced protein > intake may become an important component of anticancer and anti-aging > dietary interventions. " This quote was in a recent newsletter from Dr. John > McDougall, announcing Fontana's lecture at an event in September. > > Deborah > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Jae, How tall are you? Diana - Jae Jones<recyclednew To: <\ om> Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:58 AM Re: getting enough protein isn't the issue They may be on to something with the anti-aging effects of lower protein diets. I have always eaten a low protein diet simply because of health issues and getting sick if I eat too much protein. I'm going to be 31 next month and last week, yet again, I was mistaken as a teenager! I've even had kids ask me if I'm an adult or a teenager because I look too young to be an adult. It's frustrating, especially when my hubby is mistaken as my father! I'm sure in another 10 years or so when I look 20ish it won't be so bad! lol It's not genetics because as far as I know everyone in my family ages normally, or fast. A lot of smokers, all meat eaters, many diabetics. I don't smoke, I eat healthy (as healthy as I can...about 600 calories a day), and I don't get stressed out. Stress is a big factor in aging too! My aunt has been so stressed out the past 5 years over her job that she now looks older than my mother who is 3 years older than her! I'm sure diet plays a big role in that too! You can't live on McDonalds and KFC and expect to be healthy! Somehow though, everyone who does seems to think they should be healthier than they are. =I On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Deborah Pageau <dpageau<dpageau%40dccnet.com>> wrote: > > > Here's the latest on the theme of " getting enough protein isn't a problem, > getting too much, is " . This is a quote from Dr. Luigi Fontana, MD, PhD from > the 2008 issue of " Aging Cell " , in which research is published for the > edification of the medical community. This is consistent with other research > suggesting that limiting overall caloric intake to minimum has a similarly > beneficial effect. :-) > > Quote: " .our data provide evidence that protein intake is a key determinant > of circulating IGF-1 levels in humans, and suggest that reduced protein > intake may become an important component of anticancer and anti-aging > dietary interventions. " This quote was in a recent newsletter from Dr. John > McDougall, announcing Fontana's lecture at an event in September. > > Deborah > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 In case anyone is interested, T. Colin Campbell, Ph.D. (author of The China Study), is giving a webinar on the topic of protein for $10, on Aug 25 He has written eloquently on how misled the American public has been by the " protein requirements " set forth by most standard dietary advice. Here is the URL, if you want to register: http://www.plantbasednutrition.org/courses-resources/store/product/?tx_ttproduct\ s_pi1%5Bcat%5D=9 & tx_ttproducts_pi1%5Bproduct%5D=39 & cHash=717bc1318f -MEC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 my doctor wants to put me on several medications because my cholesterol and triglycerides are so high. I don't want to be on the medications... I have a friend who started a vegan diet a few months ago and her cholesterol dropped by 40 pts. I am to the point I'm willing to try a vegan (and gluten free/casein free/soy free) diet, but I don't have a clue where to begin. Any advice for a beginner. I'm feeling very overwhelmed. Carrie *My Gluten Free Recipes Blog: http://www.gingerlemongirl.com *My GF Examiner Homepage: http://www.examiner.com/x-10350-Raleigh-GlutenFree-Food-Examiner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 At 11:01 AM 8/19/2009, you wrote: > > >my doctor wants to put me on several medications because my cholesterol and >triglycerides are so high. I don't want to be on the medications... I have a >friend who started a vegan diet a few months ago and her cholesterol dropped >by 40 pts. I am to the point I'm willing to try a vegan (and gluten >free/casein free/soy free) diet, but I don't have a clue where to begin. >Any advice for a beginner. I'm feeling very overwhelmed. > >Carrie http://www.drmcdougall.com/free.html Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 A vegan diet really does help, and gives you many more benefits then just lowered numbers, and it doesn't have toxic side effects of the medication. Here are some things that have helped us. Dr. Joel Fuhrman's books, such as Eat to Live. The Coranary Health Improvement Project http://www.chipusa.org/. See if there is a session happening near you. It is worth the money. Many insurance companies will reimburse you for the cost of the program. My husband went through it right after he had a heart attack (age 46), and it helped him make some big changes in his diet and his life that we are all following now. There are many blogs that might be of help. You can start with mine, and there are some links to other vegan blogs. www.wildflowermorningrecipes.blogspot.com But I think the big thing is to think about what fruits and veggies you love already, and start to eat lots of them. Make big salads and put yummy low fat dressings on them. Add more and more fruits and veggies as you can. I wish you the best as you transition to better health. Barbara ______ On Behalf Of Ginger Lemon Girl [gingerlemongirl] Wednesday, August 19, 2009 12:13 PM Re: getting enough protein isn't the issue my doctor wants to put me on several medications because my cholesterol and triglycerides are so high. I don't want to be on the medications... I have a friend who started a vegan diet a few months ago and her cholesterol dropped by 40 pts. I am to the point I'm willing to try a vegan (and gluten free/casein free/soy free) diet, but I don't have a clue where to begin. Any advice for a beginner. I'm feeling very overwhelmed. Carrie *My Gluten Free Recipes Blog: http://www.gingerlemongirl.com *My GF Examiner Homepage: http://www.examiner.com/x-10350-Raleigh-GlutenFree-Food-Examiner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 I'm 5' 9 " so I'm taller than most women! On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:55 PM, D GRADISKA <allegria47 wrote: > > > Jae, > > How tall are you? > Diana > > > - > Jae Jones<recyclednew <recyclednew%40gmail.com>> > To: <%40> > < <%40\ s.com>> > > Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:58 AM > Re: getting enough protein isn't the issue > > They may be on to something with the anti-aging effects of lower protein > diets. I have always eaten a low protein diet simply because of health > issues and getting sick if I eat too much protein. I'm going to be 31 next > month and last week, yet again, I was mistaken as a teenager! I've even had > kids ask me if I'm an adult or a teenager because I look too young to be an > adult. It's frustrating, especially when my hubby is mistaken as my father! > I'm sure in another 10 years or so when I look 20ish it won't be so bad! > lol > It's not genetics because as far as I know everyone in my family ages > normally, or fast. A lot of smokers, all meat eaters, many diabetics. I > don't smoke, I eat healthy (as healthy as I can...about 600 calories a > day), > and I don't get stressed out. Stress is a big factor in aging too! My aunt > has been so stressed out the past 5 years over her job that she now looks > older than my mother who is 3 years older than her! I'm sure diet plays a > big role in that too! You can't live on McDonalds and KFC and expect to be > healthy! Somehow though, everyone who does seems to think they should be > healthier than they are. =I > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Deborah Pageau <dpageau<dpageau%40dccnet.com> > <dpageau%40dccnet.com <dpageau%2540dccnet.com>>> wrote: > > > > > > > Here's the latest on the theme of " getting enough protein isn't a > problem, > > getting too much, is " . This is a quote from Dr. Luigi Fontana, MD, PhD > from > > the 2008 issue of " Aging Cell " , in which research is published for the > > edification of the medical community. This is consistent with other > research > > suggesting that limiting overall caloric intake to minimum has a > similarly > > beneficial effect. :-) > > > > Quote: " .our data provide evidence that protein intake is a key > determinant > > of circulating IGF-1 levels in humans, and suggest that reduced protein > > intake may become an important component of anticancer and anti-aging > > dietary interventions. " This quote was in a recent newsletter from Dr. > John > > McDougall, announcing Fontana's lecture at an event in September. > > > > Deborah > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 My cholesterol and triglycerides have always been high, yet several doctors have said it's imposible considering my diet! I don't believe medication would help and my doctors agreed. Try following the diet, if your levels don't drop then there has to be a physiological reason for it. I have chronic pancreatitis which is suspected as the cause for my high levels. Cyctic Fibrosis, even minor mutations of the CF gene that do not present typical symptoms can affect your levels for seemingly no cause. Diet is the best place to start though. Even if the diet doesn't seem to help your levels, it will help your overall health and help prevent issues like clogged atreries that are commonly associated with high cholesterol. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Ginger Lemon Girl < gingerlemongirl wrote: > > > my doctor wants to put me on several medications because my cholesterol and > triglycerides are so high. I don't want to be on the medications... I have > a > friend who started a vegan diet a few months ago and her cholesterol > dropped > by 40 pts. I am to the point I'm willing to try a vegan (and gluten > free/casein free/soy free) diet, but I don't have a clue where to begin. > Any advice for a beginner. I'm feeling very overwhelmed. > > Carrie > *My Gluten Free Recipes Blog: http://www.gingerlemongirl.com > *My GF Examiner Homepage: > http://www.examiner.com/x-10350-Raleigh-GlutenFree-Food-Examiner > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 I see there is a lot of great advice out there already for you, but on top of Dr. McDougall - eliminate all sugar - white sugar, maple syrup, evaporated cane sugar, etc. That is the only way I was able to get my triglycerides down. My chlesterol went down very quickly on a low fat vegan diet, but I was eating a lot of sugar too so my triglicerides stayed high. Oh - and incorporate a green smoothie in your breakfast - it is a great way to start the day and might even make it so you do not need your cup of coffee. Victoria Boutenko has a lot of great info on green smoothies and you may even be able to get Green for Life through your local library. Good luck! ~ Susan The Gluten Free Vegan Blog & Natural/Crunchy/Unconventional Living and Mothering Blog have combined: http://virgo-vegan.blogspot.com/ " I expect to pass through this world but once. Any good thing, therefore, that I can do or any kindness I can show to any fellow creature, let me do it now. Let me not defer or neglect it for I shall not pass this way again. " -Stephen Grellet On Aug 19, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Ginger Lemon Girl wrote: > my doctor wants to put me on several medications because my > cholesterol and > triglycerides are so high. I don't want to be on the medications... > I have a > friend who started a vegan diet a few months ago and her > cholesterol dropped > by 40 pts. I am to the point I'm willing to try a vegan (and gluten > free/casein free/soy free) diet, but I don't have a clue where to > begin. > Any advice for a beginner. I'm feeling very overwhelmed. > > Carrie > *My Gluten Free Recipes Blog: http://www.gingerlemongirl.com > *My GF Examiner Homepage: > http://www.examiner.com/x-10350-Raleigh-GlutenFree-Food-Examiner > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 I also follow much of McDougall's plan, and like how it is 'eat all you want, of the right foods.' if you want direction, you might pick up his book The McDougall Program; (which I often find at Half-Price Books) though it's not GF, is easily adaptable. For those who desire a regimen, there is a twelve-day diet complete with shopping list; you are invited to change it up or repeat meals. Congratulations on your decision to change- my body has been so much happier since I did. Good luck! Daniel Polk > >my doctor wants to put me on several medications because my cholesterol and > >triglycerides are so high. I don't want to be on the medications... I have a > >friend who started a vegan diet a few months ago and her cholesterol dropped > >by 40 pts. I am to the point I'm willing to try a vegan (and gluten > >free/casein free/soy free) diet, but I don't have a clue where to begin. > >Any advice for a beginner. I'm feeling very overwhelmed. > > > >Carrie > > > http://www.drmcdougall.com/free.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Great news because I'm 5-9 too! (We can't help it if we're super models) There must be hope for me and apparently I needn't worry about protein. My GP is always stressing protein because I'm vegan. It gets so tiring. Diana - Jae Jones<recyclednew To: <\ om> Wednesday, August 19, 2009 4:06 PM Re: getting enough protein isn't the issue I'm 5' 9 " so I'm taller than most women! On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:55 PM, D GRADISKA <allegria47<allegria47> wrote: > > > Jae, > > How tall are you? > Diana > > > - > Jae Jones<recyclednew<recyclednew <recyclednew%40gmail.com>> > To: <\ om><%40> > < <%40yah\ oogroups.com><%40>> > > Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:58 AM > Re: getting enough protein isn't the issue > > They may be on to something with the anti-aging effects of lower protein > diets. I have always eaten a low protein diet simply because of health > issues and getting sick if I eat too much protein. I'm going to be 31 next > month and last week, yet again, I was mistaken as a teenager! I've even had > kids ask me if I'm an adult or a teenager because I look too young to be an > adult. It's frustrating, especially when my hubby is mistaken as my father! > I'm sure in another 10 years or so when I look 20ish it won't be so bad! > lol > It's not genetics because as far as I know everyone in my family ages > normally, or fast. A lot of smokers, all meat eaters, many diabetics. I > don't smoke, I eat healthy (as healthy as I can...about 600 calories a > day), > and I don't get stressed out. Stress is a big factor in aging too! My aunt > has been so stressed out the past 5 years over her job that she now looks > older than my mother who is 3 years older than her! I'm sure diet plays a > big role in that too! You can't live on McDonalds and KFC and expect to be > healthy! Somehow though, everyone who does seems to think they should be > healthier than they are. =I > > On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Deborah Pageau <dpageau<dpageau%40dccnet.com><dpageau%40dccnet.com> > <dpageau%40dccnet.com <dpageau%2540dccnet.com>>> wrote: > > > > > > > Here's the latest on the theme of " getting enough protein isn't a > problem, > > getting too much, is " . This is a quote from Dr. Luigi Fontana, MD, PhD > from > > the 2008 issue of " Aging Cell " , in which research is published for the > > edification of the medical community. This is consistent with other > research > > suggesting that limiting overall caloric intake to minimum has a > similarly > > beneficial effect. :-) > > > > Quote: " .our data provide evidence that protein intake is a key > determinant > > of circulating IGF-1 levels in humans, and suggest that reduced protein > > intake may become an important component of anticancer and anti-aging > > dietary interventions. " This quote was in a recent newsletter from Dr. > John > > McDougall, announcing Fontana's lecture at an event in September. > > > > Deborah > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 You've gotten good advice from many. When my family startedthe vegan part of our diet I went to my library and got a bunchof books with vegan recipes - even the gluten free vegan book ) Dr. McDougall is on my list to read next. We started with TheChina Study, then read Dr. Esselstyn's book (great recipes included!).Good luck! It has been much easier than I ever imagined. ~Krista chntaylor Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:40:22 -0700 Re: getting enough protein isn't the issue At 11:01 AM 8/19/2009, you wrote: > > >my doctor wants to put me on several medications because my cholesterol and >triglycerides are so high. I don't want to be on the medications... I have a >friend who started a vegan diet a few months ago and her cholesterol dropped >by 40 pts. I am to the point I'm willing to try a vegan (and gluten >free/casein free/soy free) diet, but I don't have a clue where to begin. >Any advice for a beginner. I'm feeling very overwhelmed. > >Carrie http://www.drmcdougall.com/free.html Karen _ _,___ _______________ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCB & publ=WLHMTAG & crea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSch\ ool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Years ago, Dr. McDougall posted a challenge to any dietitican or doctor to prove to him that there is a vegan diet, with a normal degree of variety and based on whole foods, that doesn't provide more enough protein. As far as I know, no one has ever succeeded in meeting that challenge, and it has been up for over 20 years. If your GP won't let up on that issue, I suggest that you put the oneous on him, say something like " Look, if you are so worried about me not getting enough protein, I DARE you to prove to me that I'm not. " Provide him with a few days menues and make HIM calculate the protein content. That would probably cool his jets. :-) Deborah Great news because I'm 5-9 too! (We can't help it if we're super models) There must be hope for me and apparently I needn't worry about protein. My GP is always stressing protein because I'm vegan. It gets so tiring. Diana . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 This is a great website for figuring out your calories for the day and where they are coming from - I would switch doctors before trying to prove something to a doctor. If you do not agree on this and he/she does not have an open mind on this, what else will they nay say about? http://www.nutritiondata.com/ Anyway - I used this for my son when we figured out that he was getting plenty of calories and from great resources, but he could not digest them all due to his gluten intolerance. It gave me piece of mind. It also helped when I went to a predominately raw diet to help me realize that I am fine with my nutrition for the day eating a whole food plant based diet - even as a lactating mother, I get more than enough vitamins, minerals and amino acids eating what I eat - I do supplement B12 though. ~ Susan The Gluten Free Vegan Blog & Natural/Crunchy/Unconventional Living and Mothering Blog have combined: http://virgo-vegan.blogspot.com/ " I expect to pass through this world but once. Any good thing, therefore, that I can do or any kindness I can show to any fellow creature, let me do it now. Let me not defer or neglect it for I shall not pass this way again. " -Stephen Grellet On Aug 19, 2009, at 10:05 PM, Deborah Pageau wrote: > Years ago, Dr. McDougall posted a challenge to any dietitican or > doctor to prove to him that there is a vegan diet, with a normal > degree of variety and based on whole foods, that doesn't provide > more enough protein. As far as I know, no one has ever succeeded in > meeting that challenge, and it has been up for over 20 years. > > If your GP won't let up on that issue, I suggest that you put the > oneous on him, say something like " Look, if you are so worried > about me not getting enough protein, I DARE you to prove to me that > I'm not. " Provide him with a few days menues and make HIM calculate > the protein content. That would probably cool his jets. :-) > > Deborah > > > Great news because I'm 5-9 too! (We can't help it if we're super > models) There must be hope for me and apparently I needn't worry > about protein. My GP is always stressing protein because I'm vegan. > It gets so tiring. > > Diana > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Dr. Fuhrman's book " Eat to Live " is great and addresses these issues. Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 , Jae Jones <recyclednew wrote: > > I eat healthy (as healthy as I can...about 600 calories a day), Wow! What is the purpose in eating so few calories? How can that be healthy? Seems like a diet that low in calories would be severely lacking in nutrients. You must be skin and bones. What do you eat? Can you post a day's (or few day's) menus? Do you weigh and measure everything to be sure you don't exceed that many calories? How long have you been limiting your calories so severely? If I ate no more than that, I think I'd be so weak I couldn't walk or do much of anything else. Energy comes from the foods we eat. I would be nervous and shaky, I'm sure. Sorry for all the questions, but I just find this amazing. Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 I had the same concern - I had heard we need a minimum of 600 - 800 calories a day just to maintain our vital systems and keep the heart pumping. I had always thought lower than 1200 calories for most adults was too low - except of course for an occasional fast. ~ Susan On Aug 21, 2009, at 12:37 AM, mizfrog1938 wrote: > , Jae Jones > <recyclednew wrote: > > > > > I eat healthy (as healthy as I can...about 600 calories a day), > > Wow! What is the purpose in eating so few calories? How can that be > healthy? Seems like a diet that low in calories would be severely > lacking in nutrients. > > You must be skin and bones. What do you eat? Can you post a day's > (or few day's) menus? Do you weigh and measure everything to be > sure you don't exceed that many calories? How long have you been > limiting your calories so severely? > > If I ate no more than that, I think I'd be so weak I couldn't walk > or do much of anything else. Energy comes from the foods we eat. I > would be nervous and shaky, I'm sure. > > Sorry for all the questions, but I just find this amazing. > > Sandy > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 I actually struggle to get that many calories and really try hard to get more. I'm not deliberately trying to eat very little, I just physically can't handle a lot of food. Oddly I weigh more than the little charts at the doctors says I should and even though a lot of my levels are low my PCP thinks I'm eating too much! Can you believe that??? I have chronic pancreatitis, I get gastritis frequently, I'm always nauseated, and experiance a great deal of pain after eating. I'm far from healthy but in comparison with relatives I'm the healthiest! Scary, I know! If I ate meat, dairy, etc I'd be completely unable to function at all! When I first got sick I was on a liquid diet and for about 2 or so years I was only getting about 200 calories a day into me and that was a struggle! I am pretty weak and I don't have a lot of energy. Everything is a struggle! I have been studying and trying all holistic modalities for years now and I have seen some improvement. I doubt I will ever get to a point where I'm truly healthy, but any improvement is better than none! Typically, I'll have 4 oz hemp milk in the morning (breakfast), then I drink water all day, around 2pm I have my 1 meal a day which if I don't feel up to cooking I make an Amy's meal in the microwave (about 1/3 of goes to my chihuahua because she has to share plus I can't finish it all!) Sometimes I'll have a salad and if I feel I can handle the protein I'll put nuts or tofu on it. Sometimes I'll saute up a bunch of veggies make a nice melady and that feeds me for a week! Same when I make a pizza, it's for the week! Then in the evening I'll have some juice or hemp milk if I'm up to it, but usually I live on water. I have been trying that fruitsense vitamin water which is ok. I figure it's better than plain water and gives me a few more calories a day. I'll only have 8 oz of that because I don't want to load up on sugar. Today I'm having left over mashed potatoes with carmalized onions and mushrooms, or at least that's the plan. Still feeling quite ill so it may end up being a just water day! I have a lot of those, so even less calories! But I eat too much because I'm over weight! I am mostly skin and bones! The weight is all in my abdomen. You'd think someone who went to med school would have a clue, but then there's no profit to be had from dietary knowledge, unless they can prescribe diet pills. I just say say to the doctor it must be all the water I drink. Water is very fattening you know! lol On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:37 AM, mizfrog1938 <MizFrog wrote: > > > --- In <%40>, > Jae Jones <recyclednew wrote: > > > > > I eat healthy (as healthy as I can...about 600 calories a day), > > Wow! What is the purpose in eating so few calories? How can that be > healthy? Seems like a diet that low in calories would be severely lacking in > nutrients. > > You must be skin and bones. What do you eat? Can you post a day's (or few > day's) menus? Do you weigh and measure everything to be sure you don't > exceed that many calories? How long have you been limiting your calories so > severely? > > If I ate no more than that, I think I'd be so weak I couldn't walk or do > much of anything else. Energy comes from the foods we eat. I would be > nervous and shaky, I'm sure. > > Sorry for all the questions, but I just find this amazing. > > Sandy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 If you are retaining weight, it could be that your body has slowed its metablosim for fear it does not know when or where the next calories will come from. It sounds counterintuitive, but you have to eat to loose weight. So sorry you are having these problems. I used to have severe health problems too - I tried a raw vegan diet for a few months and it helped. Now i et no refined or packaged products, about 75% raw fruit and veggies and the other cooked foods are beans or potatoes. ~ Susan On Aug 21, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Jae Jones wrote: > I actually struggle to get that many calories and really try hard > to get > more. I'm not deliberately trying to eat very little, I just > physically > can't handle a lot of food. Oddly I weigh more than the little > charts at the > doctors says I should and even though a lot of my levels are low my > PCP > thinks I'm eating too much! Can you believe that??? > > I have chronic pancreatitis, I get gastritis frequently, I'm always > nauseated, and experiance a great deal of pain after eating. I'm > far from > healthy but in comparison with relatives I'm the healthiest! Scary, > I know! > If I ate meat, dairy, etc I'd be completely unable to function at > all! When > I first got sick I was on a liquid diet and for about 2 or so years > I was > only getting about 200 calories a day into me and that was a > struggle! I am > pretty weak and I don't have a lot of energy. Everything is a > struggle! I > have been studying and trying all holistic modalities for years now > and I > have seen some improvement. I doubt I will ever get to a point > where I'm > truly healthy, but any improvement is better than none! > > Typically, I'll have 4 oz hemp milk in the morning (breakfast), > then I drink > water all day, around 2pm I have my 1 meal a day which if I don't > feel up to > cooking I make an Amy's meal in the microwave (about 1/3 of goes to my > chihuahua because she has to share plus I can't finish it all!) > Sometimes > I'll have a salad and if I feel I can handle the protein I'll put > nuts or > tofu on it. Sometimes I'll saute up a bunch of veggies make a nice > melady > and that feeds me for a week! Same when I make a pizza, it's for > the week! > Then in the evening I'll have some juice or hemp milk if I'm up to > it, but > usually I live on water. I have been trying that fruitsense vitamin > water > which is ok. I figure it's better than plain water and gives me a > few more > calories a day. I'll only have 8 oz of that because I don't want to > load up > on sugar. Today I'm having left over mashed potatoes with > carmalized onions > and mushrooms, or at least that's the plan. Still feeling quite ill > so it > may end up being a just water day! I have a lot of those, so even less > calories! But I eat too much because I'm over weight! > I am mostly skin and bones! The weight is all in my abdomen. You'd > think > someone who went to med school would have a clue, but then there's > no profit > to be had from dietary knowledge, unless they can prescribe diet > pills. I > just say say to the doctor it must be all the water I drink. Water > is very > fattening you know! lol > > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:37 AM, mizfrog1938 <MizFrog > wrote: > > > > > > > < > %40>, > > Jae Jones <recyclednew wrote: > > > > > > > > I eat healthy (as healthy as I can...about 600 calories a day), > > > > Wow! What is the purpose in eating so few calories? How can that be > > healthy? Seems like a diet that low in calories would be severely > lacking in > > nutrients. > > > > You must be skin and bones. What do you eat? Can you post a day's > (or few > > day's) menus? Do you weigh and measure everything to be sure you > don't > > exceed that many calories? How long have you been limiting your > calories so > > severely? > > > > If I ate no more than that, I think I'd be so weak I couldn't > walk or do > > much of anything else. Energy comes from the foods we eat. I > would be > > nervous and shaky, I'm sure. > > > > Sorry for all the questions, but I just find this amazing. > > > > Sandy > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 That's absolutely what's happening! Doctors seem too stupid to figure it out though so I respond with equally ridiculous notions such as water is fattening! At least I have fun with it all! I'm trying to slowly work my intake up. I've been checking out smoothie recipes and I'm going to get some hemp protein powder on my next trip to whole foods. I'm thinking if I go to a mostly liquid diet I should be able to handle more because my body won't have to do much. The last time I did a smoothie diet I was only around 400 calories but I was still really sick and vomiting a lot back then. The raw diet didn't work for me before, being severely anemic, I was frozen to my marrow! I've been thinking of giving it a try again since getting the IV iron I seen overheated most of the time now. There's just no happy medium! I know I don't get enough nutrition because even though I don't experience hunger in my stomach, I do feel hunger pains in my cells. It's sounds weird and it is very weird! Doctors look at me like I'm crazy, but in my muscles, my veins, etc I literally feel my body crying for food and I so want to give it food! I asked my GI for IV nourishment to help and his response was your overweight your nourished enough! Quit looking at the darn scale and open a pathology book! They hate me too because I take then tons of copies of medical stuff to read, which they probably just toss out. That's why I'm primarily my own doctor! I go and get my blood work yearly and whatever else I need from them, and the rest of it I figure out on my own. I do have a degree in holistic health so it's not like I'm randomly taking herbs and vitamins talked about in magazines and hoping for the best! I know some one like that and I nearly died when she told me all the herbs and medications she was mixing! Some of which could have been fatal to her! And she told her PCP everything she was taking and wasn't warned or cautioned about any of it! I hate doctors! They make my skin crawl! I'm shutting up now before I get on a soap box again! On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:24 PM, virgo.vegan <virgo.vegan wrote: > > > If you are retaining weight, it could be that your body has slowed > its metablosim for fear it does not know when or where the next > calories will come from. It sounds counterintuitive, but you have to > eat to loose weight. So sorry you are having these problems. I used > to have severe health problems too - I tried a raw vegan diet for a > few months and it helped. Now i et no refined or packaged products, > about 75% raw fruit and veggies and the other cooked foods are beans > or potatoes. > > ~ Susan > > > On Aug 21, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Jae Jones wrote: > > > I actually struggle to get that many calories and really try hard > > to get > > more. I'm not deliberately trying to eat very little, I just > > physically > > can't handle a lot of food. Oddly I weigh more than the little > > charts at the > > doctors says I should and even though a lot of my levels are low my > > PCP > > thinks I'm eating too much! Can you believe that??? > > > > I have chronic pancreatitis, I get gastritis frequently, I'm always > > nauseated, and experiance a great deal of pain after eating. I'm > > far from > > healthy but in comparison with relatives I'm the healthiest! Scary, > > I know! > > If I ate meat, dairy, etc I'd be completely unable to function at > > all! When > > I first got sick I was on a liquid diet and for about 2 or so years > > I was > > only getting about 200 calories a day into me and that was a > > struggle! I am > > pretty weak and I don't have a lot of energy. Everything is a > > struggle! I > > have been studying and trying all holistic modalities for years now > > and I > > have seen some improvement. I doubt I will ever get to a point > > where I'm > > truly healthy, but any improvement is better than none! > > > > Typically, I'll have 4 oz hemp milk in the morning (breakfast), > > then I drink > > water all day, around 2pm I have my 1 meal a day which if I don't > > feel up to > > cooking I make an Amy's meal in the microwave (about 1/3 of goes to my > > chihuahua because she has to share plus I can't finish it all!) > > Sometimes > > I'll have a salad and if I feel I can handle the protein I'll put > > nuts or > > tofu on it. Sometimes I'll saute up a bunch of veggies make a nice > > melady > > and that feeds me for a week! Same when I make a pizza, it's for > > the week! > > Then in the evening I'll have some juice or hemp milk if I'm up to > > it, but > > usually I live on water. I have been trying that fruitsense vitamin > > water > > which is ok. I figure it's better than plain water and gives me a > > few more > > calories a day. I'll only have 8 oz of that because I don't want to > > load up > > on sugar. Today I'm having left over mashed potatoes with > > carmalized onions > > and mushrooms, or at least that's the plan. Still feeling quite ill > > so it > > may end up being a just water day! I have a lot of those, so even less > > calories! But I eat too much because I'm over weight! > > I am mostly skin and bones! The weight is all in my abdomen. You'd > > think > > someone who went to med school would have a clue, but then there's > > no profit > > to be had from dietary knowledge, unless they can prescribe diet > > pills. I > > just say say to the doctor it must be all the water I drink. Water > > is very > > fattening you know! lol > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:37 AM, mizfrog1938 <MizFrog<MizFrog%40comcast.net>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40><V\ egan-and-Gluten-Free > > > %40>, > > > Jae Jones <recyclednew wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I eat healthy (as healthy as I can...about 600 calories a day), > > > > > > Wow! What is the purpose in eating so few calories? How can that be > > > healthy? Seems like a diet that low in calories would be severely > > lacking in > > > nutrients. > > > > > > You must be skin and bones. What do you eat? Can you post a day's > > (or few > > > day's) menus? Do you weigh and measure everything to be sure you > > don't > > > exceed that many calories? How long have you been limiting your > > calories so > > > severely? > > > > > > If I ate no more than that, I think I'd be so weak I couldn't > > walk or do > > > much of anything else. Energy comes from the foods we eat. I > > would be > > > nervous and shaky, I'm sure. > > > > > > Sorry for all the questions, but I just find this amazing. > > > > > > Sandy > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 My morning smoothie is about 500 calories and I used to be anemic. If you add plenty of greens to your smoothies, that should help your iron - I take no supplements anymore and eat between 8 oz to 20 oz of dark leafy greens per day - mostly in salads. It may be worth picking up Green for Life by Viktoria Boutenko. I have heard some people say they do not respond well to a raw diet, but most of those have also been eating very smal portions. Raw veggies have so few calories and so much bulk that it is hard to get enough calories that way. I hope you figure it out for yourself - this sounds like no fun. I would love to see the response on your docs faces when you talk about the fattening water:) ~ Susan On Aug 21, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Jae Jones wrote: > That's absolutely what's happening! Doctors seem too stupid to > figure it out > though so I respond with equally ridiculous notions such as water is > fattening! At least I have fun with it all! I'm trying to slowly > work my > intake up. I've been checking out smoothie recipes and I'm going to > get some > hemp protein powder on my next trip to whole foods. I'm thinking if > I go to > a mostly liquid diet I should be able to handle more because my > body won't > have to do much. The last time I did a smoothie diet I was only > around 400 > calories but I was still really sick and vomiting a lot back then. > The raw > diet didn't work for me before, being severely anemic, I was frozen > to my > marrow! I've been thinking of giving it a try again since getting > the IV > iron I seen overheated most of the time now. There's just no happy > medium! > I know I don't get enough nutrition because even though I don't > experience > hunger in my stomach, I do feel hunger pains in my cells. It's > sounds weird > and it is very weird! Doctors look at me like I'm crazy, but in my > muscles, > my veins, etc I literally feel my body crying for food and I so > want to give > it food! I asked my GI for IV nourishment to help and his response > was your > overweight your nourished enough! Quit looking at the darn scale > and open a > pathology book! They hate me too because I take then tons of copies of > medical stuff to read, which they probably just toss out. That's > why I'm > primarily my own doctor! I go and get my blood work yearly and > whatever else > I need from them, and the rest of it I figure out on my own. I do > have a > degree in holistic health so it's not like I'm randomly taking > herbs and > vitamins talked about in magazines and hoping for the best! I know > some one > like that and I nearly died when she told me all the herbs and > medications > she was mixing! Some of which could have been fatal to her! And she > told her > PCP everything she was taking and wasn't warned or cautioned about > any of > it! I hate doctors! They make my skin crawl! I'm shutting up now > before I > get on a soap box again! > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:24 PM, virgo.vegan > <virgo.vegan wrote: > > > > > > > If you are retaining weight, it could be that your body has slowed > > its metablosim for fear it does not know when or where the next > > calories will come from. It sounds counterintuitive, but you have to > > eat to loose weight. So sorry you are having these problems. I used > > to have severe health problems too - I tried a raw vegan diet for a > > few months and it helped. Now i et no refined or packaged products, > > about 75% raw fruit and veggies and the other cooked foods are beans > > or potatoes. > > > > ~ Susan > > > > > > On Aug 21, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Jae Jones wrote: > > > > > I actually struggle to get that many calories and really try hard > > > to get > > > more. I'm not deliberately trying to eat very little, I just > > > physically > > > can't handle a lot of food. Oddly I weigh more than the little > > > charts at the > > > doctors says I should and even though a lot of my levels are > low my > > > PCP > > > thinks I'm eating too much! Can you believe that??? > > > > > > I have chronic pancreatitis, I get gastritis frequently, I'm > always > > > nauseated, and experiance a great deal of pain after eating. I'm > > > far from > > > healthy but in comparison with relatives I'm the healthiest! > Scary, > > > I know! > > > If I ate meat, dairy, etc I'd be completely unable to function at > > > all! When > > > I first got sick I was on a liquid diet and for about 2 or so > years > > > I was > > > only getting about 200 calories a day into me and that was a > > > struggle! I am > > > pretty weak and I don't have a lot of energy. Everything is a > > > struggle! I > > > have been studying and trying all holistic modalities for years > now > > > and I > > > have seen some improvement. I doubt I will ever get to a point > > > where I'm > > > truly healthy, but any improvement is better than none! > > > > > > Typically, I'll have 4 oz hemp milk in the morning (breakfast), > > > then I drink > > > water all day, around 2pm I have my 1 meal a day which if I don't > > > feel up to > > > cooking I make an Amy's meal in the microwave (about 1/3 of > goes to my > > > chihuahua because she has to share plus I can't finish it all!) > > > Sometimes > > > I'll have a salad and if I feel I can handle the protein I'll put > > > nuts or > > > tofu on it. Sometimes I'll saute up a bunch of veggies make a nice > > > melady > > > and that feeds me for a week! Same when I make a pizza, it's for > > > the week! > > > Then in the evening I'll have some juice or hemp milk if I'm up to > > > it, but > > > usually I live on water. I have been trying that fruitsense > vitamin > > > water > > > which is ok. I figure it's better than plain water and gives me a > > > few more > > > calories a day. I'll only have 8 oz of that because I don't > want to > > > load up > > > on sugar. Today I'm having left over mashed potatoes with > > > carmalized onions > > > and mushrooms, or at least that's the plan. Still feeling quite > ill > > > so it > > > may end up being a just water day! I have a lot of those, so > even less > > > calories! But I eat too much because I'm over weight! > > > I am mostly skin and bones! The weight is all in my abdomen. You'd > > > think > > > someone who went to med school would have a clue, but then there's > > > no profit > > > to be had from dietary knowledge, unless they can prescribe diet > > > pills. I > > > just say say to the doctor it must be all the water I drink. Water > > > is very > > > fattening you know! lol > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:37 AM, mizfrog1938 > <MizFrog<MizFrog%40comcast.net>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Vegan-and-Gluten- > Free%40>< > > > > > %40>, > > > > Jae Jones <recyclednew wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I eat healthy (as healthy as I can...about 600 calories a > day), > > > > > > > > Wow! What is the purpose in eating so few calories? How can > that be > > > > healthy? Seems like a diet that low in calories would be > severely > > > lacking in > > > > nutrients. > > > > > > > > You must be skin and bones. What do you eat? Can you post a > day's > > > (or few > > > > day's) menus? Do you weigh and measure everything to be sure you > > > don't > > > > exceed that many calories? How long have you been limiting your > > > calories so > > > > severely? > > > > > > > > If I ate no more than that, I think I'd be so weak I couldn't > > > walk or do > > > > much of anything else. Energy comes from the foods we eat. I > > > would be > > > > nervous and shaky, I'm sure. > > > > > > > > Sorry for all the questions, but I just find this amazing. > > > > > > > > Sandy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 I think I may have that book. I'll have to look. I have thousands of books! (I have a serious addiction but at least it's a healthy one! lol) I love spinach and portobello salads. I've been cooking the spinach with the mushrooms and onions lately. I was at a restaurant about a month ago that did up this dish for me so that's my latest addiction. So good! I need to get back into smoothies though. I have at least 5 books that I know of off the top of my head about smoothies and then at least 6 on raw foods! I don't really take much in the way of supplements because with absorption issues it's just a waste of time and money because I don't get any really benefit from them. I do take folic acid and Vitamin C in the hope that it does help some. I think they do. I take valarin which helps reduce my pain and helps me sleep. I have hydrocodone for pain but I only take those when I really need them because I hate taking drugs. At times though, I really don't have a choice, I need the pills. Oh the fattening water...would you believe one doctor (a GI of all people!) said it's possible that the water could be an issue and I should consider cutting back as it may help me loose some weight! I laughed so hard I couldn't breath! Tears where running done my face! I of course fired him on the spot and never went back! *Water has such a high fat content! I'm certain it's the cause of our obesity crises! We get addicted to it as babies and before you know it we're drinking 8-12 glasses a day or more! Something must be done! LOL * To think I was actually going to go to med school! Holistic health makes so much more sense! In a way, I'm grateful for my illnesses! On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:20 PM, virgo.vegan <virgo.vegan wrote: > > > My morning smoothie is about 500 calories and I used to be anemic. > If you add plenty of greens to your smoothies, that should help your > iron - I take no supplements anymore and eat between 8 oz to 20 oz of > dark leafy greens per day - mostly in salads. It may be worth > picking up Green for Life by Viktoria Boutenko. I have heard some > people say they do not respond well to a raw diet, but most of those > have also been eating very smal portions. Raw veggies have so few > calories and so much bulk that it is hard to get enough calories that > way. I hope you figure it out for yourself - this sounds like no > fun. I would love to see the response on your docs faces when you > talk about the fattening water:) > > ~ Susan > > > On Aug 21, 2009, at 7:58 PM, Jae Jones wrote: > > > That's absolutely what's happening! Doctors seem too stupid to > > figure it out > > though so I respond with equally ridiculous notions such as water is > > fattening! At least I have fun with it all! I'm trying to slowly > > work my > > intake up. I've been checking out smoothie recipes and I'm going to > > get some > > hemp protein powder on my next trip to whole foods. I'm thinking if > > I go to > > a mostly liquid diet I should be able to handle more because my > > body won't > > have to do much. The last time I did a smoothie diet I was only > > around 400 > > calories but I was still really sick and vomiting a lot back then. > > The raw > > diet didn't work for me before, being severely anemic, I was frozen > > to my > > marrow! I've been thinking of giving it a try again since getting > > the IV > > iron I seen overheated most of the time now. There's just no happy > > medium! > > I know I don't get enough nutrition because even though I don't > > experience > > hunger in my stomach, I do feel hunger pains in my cells. It's > > sounds weird > > and it is very weird! Doctors look at me like I'm crazy, but in my > > muscles, > > my veins, etc I literally feel my body crying for food and I so > > want to give > > it food! I asked my GI for IV nourishment to help and his response > > was your > > overweight your nourished enough! Quit looking at the darn scale > > and open a > > pathology book! They hate me too because I take then tons of copies of > > medical stuff to read, which they probably just toss out. That's > > why I'm > > primarily my own doctor! I go and get my blood work yearly and > > whatever else > > I need from them, and the rest of it I figure out on my own. I do > > have a > > degree in holistic health so it's not like I'm randomly taking > > herbs and > > vitamins talked about in magazines and hoping for the best! I know > > some one > > like that and I nearly died when she told me all the herbs and > > medications > > she was mixing! Some of which could have been fatal to her! And she > > told her > > PCP everything she was taking and wasn't warned or cautioned about > > any of > > it! I hate doctors! They make my skin crawl! I'm shutting up now > > before I > > get on a soap box again! > > > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 2:24 PM, virgo.vegan > > <virgo.vegan <virgo.vegan%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > If you are retaining weight, it could be that your body has slowed > > > its metablosim for fear it does not know when or where the next > > > calories will come from. It sounds counterintuitive, but you have to > > > eat to loose weight. So sorry you are having these problems. I used > > > to have severe health problems too - I tried a raw vegan diet for a > > > few months and it helped. Now i et no refined or packaged products, > > > about 75% raw fruit and veggies and the other cooked foods are beans > > > or potatoes. > > > > > > ~ Susan > > > > > > > > > On Aug 21, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Jae Jones wrote: > > > > > > > I actually struggle to get that many calories and really try hard > > > > to get > > > > more. I'm not deliberately trying to eat very little, I just > > > > physically > > > > can't handle a lot of food. Oddly I weigh more than the little > > > > charts at the > > > > doctors says I should and even though a lot of my levels are > > low my > > > > PCP > > > > thinks I'm eating too much! Can you believe that??? > > > > > > > > I have chronic pancreatitis, I get gastritis frequently, I'm > > always > > > > nauseated, and experiance a great deal of pain after eating. I'm > > > > far from > > > > healthy but in comparison with relatives I'm the healthiest! > > Scary, > > > > I know! > > > > If I ate meat, dairy, etc I'd be completely unable to function at > > > > all! When > > > > I first got sick I was on a liquid diet and for about 2 or so > > years > > > > I was > > > > only getting about 200 calories a day into me and that was a > > > > struggle! I am > > > > pretty weak and I don't have a lot of energy. Everything is a > > > > struggle! I > > > > have been studying and trying all holistic modalities for years > > now > > > > and I > > > > have seen some improvement. I doubt I will ever get to a point > > > > where I'm > > > > truly healthy, but any improvement is better than none! > > > > > > > > Typically, I'll have 4 oz hemp milk in the morning (breakfast), > > > > then I drink > > > > water all day, around 2pm I have my 1 meal a day which if I don't > > > > feel up to > > > > cooking I make an Amy's meal in the microwave (about 1/3 of > > goes to my > > > > chihuahua because she has to share plus I can't finish it all!) > > > > Sometimes > > > > I'll have a salad and if I feel I can handle the protein I'll put > > > > nuts or > > > > tofu on it. Sometimes I'll saute up a bunch of veggies make a nice > > > > melady > > > > and that feeds me for a week! Same when I make a pizza, it's for > > > > the week! > > > > Then in the evening I'll have some juice or hemp milk if I'm up to > > > > it, but > > > > usually I live on water. I have been trying that fruitsense > > vitamin > > > > water > > > > which is ok. I figure it's better than plain water and gives me a > > > > few more > > > > calories a day. I'll only have 8 oz of that because I don't > > want to > > > > load up > > > > on sugar. Today I'm having left over mashed potatoes with > > > > carmalized onions > > > > and mushrooms, or at least that's the plan. Still feeling quite > > ill > > > > so it > > > > may end up being a just water day! I have a lot of those, so > > even less > > > > calories! But I eat too much because I'm over weight! > > > > I am mostly skin and bones! The weight is all in my abdomen. You'd > > > > think > > > > someone who went to med school would have a clue, but then there's > > > > no profit > > > > to be had from dietary knowledge, unless they can prescribe diet > > > > pills. I > > > > just say say to the doctor it must be all the water I drink. Water > > > > is very > > > > fattening you know! lol > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:37 AM, mizfrog1938 > > <MizFrog <MizFrog%40comcast.net><MizFrog%40comcast.net>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40><V\ egan-and-Gluten- > > > Free%40>< > > > > > > > > %40>, > > > > > Jae Jones <recyclednew wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I eat healthy (as healthy as I can...about 600 calories a > > day), > > > > > > > > > > Wow! What is the purpose in eating so few calories? How can > > that be > > > > > healthy? Seems like a diet that low in calories would be > > severely > > > > lacking in > > > > > nutrients. > > > > > > > > > > You must be skin and bones. What do you eat? Can you post a > > day's > > > > (or few > > > > > day's) menus? Do you weigh and measure everything to be sure you > > > > don't > > > > > exceed that many calories? How long have you been limiting your > > > > calories so > > > > > severely? > > > > > > > > > > If I ate no more than that, I think I'd be so weak I couldn't > > > > walk or do > > > > > much of anything else. Energy comes from the foods we eat. I > > > > would be > > > > > nervous and shaky, I'm sure. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for all the questions, but I just find this amazing. > > > > > > > > > > Sandy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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