Guest guest Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Here's an article: http://www.sparkpeople.com/resource/nutrition_articles.asp?id=379 This is a pretty generic article but I thought it might be good for family members or beginners who don't think it's possible. I know the issue has come up a few times so hopefully this helps some to find reassurance that meat is not the only source of protein and you can get enough protein without meat! Enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 That's a good find! :-) Deborah Here's an article: http://www.sparkpeople.com/resource/nutrition_articles.asp?id=379 This is a pretty generic article but I thought it might be good for family members or beginners who don't think it's possible. I know the issue has come up a few times so hopefully this helps some to find reassurance that meat is not the only source of protein and you can get enough protein without meat! Enjoy! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 WOW--thanks SO much for finding this article and sharing it! I'm vegan but there are some GREAT suggestions in here for cooking that I hadn't thought about that I enjoyed reading about. THANKS again, and I've shared this article on my Facebook page, will tweet it, and forwarded it to my friends and family. --- On Fri, 8/28/09, catchadream04 <recyclednew wrote: catchadream04 <recyclednew Getting protein without meat Friday, August 28, 2009, 2:21 PM Here's an article: http://www.sparkpeo ple.com/resource /nutrition_ articles. asp?id=379 This is a pretty generic article but I thought it might be good for family members or beginners who don't think it's possible. I know the issue has come up a few times so hopefully this helps some to find reassurance that meat is not the only source of protein and you can get enough protein without meat! Enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Hi all There is a fantastic series of videos on youtube that address this question (protein w/o meat) and other issues as well (though not gluten). The speaker, Dr. Michael Klaper, is terrific: entertaining, funny, pithy, etc.; he draws on the work of T. Colin Campbell (Author of The China Study) and others: part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG_tn3KAXNE part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibp1jCjojdo & NR=1 part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL3C2veCU6k & feature=related part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUOgeq0MDkk & NR=1 part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1A4IaQ8y7Q & feature=related part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffH4jC01gyM & feature=related -MEC , Deborah Pageau <dpageau wrote: > > That's a good find! :-) > > Deborah > > > Here's an article: http://www.sparkpeople.com/resource/nutrition_articles.asp?id=379 > > This is a pretty generic article but I thought it might be good for family members or beginners who don't think it's possible. I know the issue has come up a few times so hopefully this helps some to find reassurance that meat is not the only source of protein and you can get enough protein without meat! Enjoy! > . > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 The ridiculous " argument " I'm hearing lately is that meat contains amino acids that can't be found in plants. Anyone have a source to refute this? The last time I heard it was actually from a naturopath! She was arguing that my daughter should be eating more meat (she does eat a little) because she has some problems with mood and anxiety and that meat was " essential " for providing proteins and amino acids that are impossible to get elsewhere. Shannon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 I'd recomend going to humanesociety.org/humaneeating and requesting a copy of " Guide to vegetarian eating " (free) and give it to your naturopath. The only thing that's really an issue with this diet is B12, and that is easily addressed with a supplement! In the booklet they have basic vegetarian nutrition info, talks about protein etc. It's a really good booklet for beginners and doctors. I have a habit of having info sent to doctors who don't have a clue. They never say anything to me but I have seen the booklets in waiting rooms! When I do, I pretend I'm reading it and take it back with me and leave it for the doctor to see. Plus if an arguement starts, I have something there to back me up! Just so you know, there are some graphic images in the begining about how animals are processed and treated that you may not want young children to see. I've seen a lot worse~these are really nothing! It's a parental decicion that only the parent can make though, so go through it before letting your kids read it! Doctors should be able to handle it, though you may bruise their egos!lol Good luck! Shannon West <shanwest Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:02 PM Re: Getting protein without meat The ridiculous " argument " I'm hearing lately is that meat contains amino acids that can't be found in plants. Anyone have a source to refute this? The last time I heard it was actually from a naturopath! She was arguing that my daughter should be eating more meat (she does eat a little) because she has some problems with mood and anxiety and that meat was " essential " for providing proteins and amino acids that are impossible to get elsewhere. Shannon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Would it be possible to find a supplement of tryptophan and sam-E which isn't animal based and try that for your daughter. sam-E supplementation made a HUGE difference for my husband. In fact he was off it for a month and was almost totally back to dysfunctional with his depressive disorder. sam-E is really the only thing that has helped him in 20 years of having a mood disorder. He says 5htp (tryptophan) is what focuses him and the sam-E gives him energy to do BL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Good idea! Thanks. The other thing I need are some high calorie foods for her. She's quite underweight and doesn't have much of an appetite. Shannon ----- Receiving the following content ----- Brenda-Lee Olson Receiver: Time: 2009-09-02, 10:23:09 Re: Getting protein without meat Would it be possible to find a supplement of tryptophan and sam-E which isn't animal based and try that for your daughter. sam-E supplementation made a HUGE difference for my husband. In fact he was off it for a month and was almost totally back to dysfunctional with his depressive disorder. sam-E is really the only thing that has helped him in 20 years of having a mood disorder. He says 5htp (tryptophan) is what focuses him and the sam-E gives him energy to do BL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/apr/dairy.htm http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm (amino acid tables down near the bottom) Pam On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Shannon West<shanwest wrote: > > > The ridiculous " argument " I'm hearing lately is that meat contains amino > acids that can't be found in plants. > Anyone have a source to refute this? The last time I heard it was actually > from a naturopath! She was arguing that my daughter should be eating more > meat (she does eat a little) because she has some problems with mood and > anxiety and that meat was " essential " for providing proteins and amino acids > that are impossible to get elsewhere. > > Shannon > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Well that's just sad! Clearly, all naturopaths are not as well informed as we would like! This article is from the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, has references and states the case clearly. http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/protein.html Once a child is past the age of weaning, no animal products are required. We all need to take B12 though. That is the only nutrient offered by meat lacking in a vegan diet, easily provided by a supplement without all the toxins, cholesterol etc. Deborah The ridiculous " argument " I'm hearing lately is that meat contains amino acids that can't be found in plants. Anyone have a source to refute this? The last time I heard it was actually from a naturopath! She was arguing that my daughter should be eating more meat (she does eat a little) because she has some problems with mood and anxiety and that meat was " essential " for providing proteins and amino acids that are impossible to get elsewhere. Shannon . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Underweight and lack of appetite could also be from non-food issues, but they are certainly issues associated with active gluten intolerance. Are you sure she is sticking 100% to a gluten free diet? Deborah Good idea! Thanks. The other thing I need are some high calorie foods for her. She's quite underweight and doesn't have much of an appetite. Shannon . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Dr. Joel Fuhrman " Eat to Live " explains this well. His website: https://www.drfuhrman.com/default.aspx Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 It's a good thought, but yes. She's on medication that causes the lack of appetite and weight loss. Also, I purposely glutened her (without her knowledge) a few months back and WHOOOBOY, yes, I can definitely tell when she's gotten any gluten. Shannon ----- Receiving the following content ----- Deborah Pageau Receiver: Time: 2009-09-02, 13:21:28 Re: Getting protein without meat Underweight and lack of appetite could also be from non-food issues, but they are certainly issues associated with active gluten intolerance. Are you sure she is sticking 100% to a gluten free diet? Deborah Good idea! Thanks. The other thing I need are some high calorie foods for her. She's quite underweight and doesn't have much of an appetite. Shannon .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 Ah. Well, since the medication is the cause of the lack of appetite and weight loss, the solution would seem to be weaning her off the medication. Anything less would probably provide partial results at best, and possibly complete failure. What is the medication? ... and what is it for? There are a LOT of very resourceful people on this list, at least one of whom may offer a healthy alternative! Deborah It's a good thought, but yes. She's on medication that causes the lack of appetite and weight loss. Also, I purposely glutened her (without her knowledge) a few months back and WHOOOBOY, yes, I can definitely tell when she's gotten any gluten. Shannon Deborah Pageau Underweight and lack of appetite could also be from non-food issues, but they are certainly issues associated with active gluten intolerance. Are you sure she is sticking 100% to a gluten free diet? Deborah . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 has anyone suggested avocado? DDP -------------- Original message ---------------------- " Shannon West " <shanwest > > Good idea! Thanks. > > The other thing I need are some high calorie foods for her. She's quite > underweight and doesn't have much of an appetite. > > Shannon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 She's on Concerta for ADHD. We tried every reasonable alternative (for several years) before agreeing to the drug, but I'm open to suggestions. ----- Receiving the following content ----- Deborah Pageau Receiver: Time: 2009-09-02, 18:11:01 Re: Getting protein without meat Ah. Well, since the medication is the cause of the lack of appetite and weight loss, the solution would seem to be weaning her off the medication. Anything less would probably provide partial results at best, and possibly complete failure. What is the medication? ... and what is it for? There are a LOT of very resourceful people on this list, at least one of whom may offer a healthy alternative! Deborah It's a good thought, but yes. She's on medication that causes the lack of appetite and weight loss. Also, I purposely glutened her (without her knowledge) a few months back and WHOOOBOY, yes, I can definitely tell when she's gotten any gluten. Shannon Deborah Pageau Underweight and lack of appetite could also be from non-food issues, but they are certainly issues associated with active gluten intolerance. Are you sure she is sticking 100% to a gluten free diet? Deborah .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 Eating a lot of high fat foods might (might!) increase her weight, but at what cost? Eating a lot of high fat foods would also increase her risk of developing chronic disease, so might it be a robbing Peter to pay Paul, sort of solution? Deborah has anyone suggested avocado? DDP -------------- Original message ---------------------- " Shannon West " <shanwest > > Good idea! Thanks. > > The other thing I need are some high calorie foods for her. She's quite > underweight and doesn't have much of an appetite. > > Shannon . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 Did you try Feingold's protocol but adapted to vegan? BL On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Shannon West<shanwest wrote: > > > She's on Concerta for ADHD. We tried every reasonable alternative (for > several years) before agreeing to the drug, but I'm open to suggestions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 EFAs, B vitamins, zinc, magnesium, etc. What have you tried? What is the family history of illness? What are her symptoms? Have you done a food journal (or could you?) My daughter would be on meds if we did not keep sulfites out of her diet - she is also gluten free. For me, zinc is an issue (and yes it can be for vegans/vegetarians). There is some evidence that low zinc (or localized zinc deficiency) predisposes one to food intolerance as well, but I have to go through the papers that I downloaded a few days ago to connect the dots on that one. That may actually explain the comment made a few months ago about one doc saying he is seeing more vegetarians with celiac. You really have to watch zinc levels and try to take in 50% more than recommended due to absorption issues when eating a plant based diet. As for amino acids, the naturopath is probably thinking lysine. If you do a high grain vegan diet, it might be low in lysine which is very important for lots of function. However, if you eat a variety of things including beans and nuts, you should be fine. A varied healthful vegan diet beats out an overly processed wheat, dairy, and meat based diet hands down. Again, my first thought would be zinc levels (low zinc decreases appetite). I would also look at the minerals that her meds likely deplete and try to raise them. Amanda , " Shannon West " <shanwest wrote: > > She's on Concerta for ADHD. We tried every reasonable alternative (for several years) before agreeing to the drug, but I'm open to suggestions. > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > Deborah Pageau > Receiver: > Time: 2009-09-02, 18:11:01 > Re: Getting protein without meat > > > Ah. Well, since the medication is the cause of the lack of appetite and weight loss, the solution would seem to be weaning her off the medication. Anything less would probably provide partial results at best, and possibly complete failure. > > What is the medication? ... and what is it for? > > There are a LOT of very resourceful people on this list, at least one of whom may offer a healthy alternative! > > Deborah > > It's a good thought, but yes. She's on medication that causes the lack of appetite and weight loss. Also, I purposely glutened her (without her knowledge) a few months back and WHOOOBOY, yes, I can definitely tell when she's gotten any gluten. > > Shannon > > Deborah Pageau > > Underweight and lack of appetite could also be from non-food issues, but they are certainly issues associated with active gluten intolerance. Are you sure she is sticking 100% to a gluten free diet? > > Deborah > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 She's on Concerta for ADHD. We tried every reasonable alternative (for several years) before agreeing to the drug, but I'm open to suggestions. On the off chance that you haven't tried this: My son is on the Feingold diet and supplementing with B6, magnesium and fish oil. We also use something (it changes) to keep his yeast under control. THe Failsafe diet is similar to the Feingold diet but it focuses on natural phenols and salisylates found in food and eliminates them also. Patty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Yes. While it has helped, it didn't help enough that she could function either at home or at school at a level any of us considered acceptable. Shannon ----- Receiving the following content ----- Brenda-Lee Olson Receiver: Time: 2009-09-02, 23:59:51 Re: Getting protein without meat Did you try Feingold's protocol but adapted to vegan? BL On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Shannon West<shanwest wrote: > > > She's on Concerta for ADHD. We tried every reasonable alternative (for > several years) before agreeing to the drug, but I'm open to suggestions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Yes, we did a food journal. And she's on a zinc supplement. Lysine, huh. Okay. Will work on it. ----- Receiving the following content ----- aldohert Receiver: Time: 2009-09-03, 07:57:39 Re: Getting protein without meat EFAs, B vitamins, zinc, magnesium, etc. What have you tried? What is the family history of illness? What are her symptoms? Have you done a food journal (or could you?) My daughter would be on meds if we did not keep sulfites out of her diet - she is also gluten free. For me, zinc is an issue (and yes it can be for vegans/vegetarians). There is some evidence that low zinc (or localized zinc deficiency) predisposes one to food intolerance as well, but I have to go through the papers that I downloaded a few days ago to connect the dots on that one. That may actually explain the comment made a few months ago about one doc saying he is seeing more vegetarians with celiac. You really have to watch zinc levels and try to take in 50% more than recommended due to absorption issues when eating a plant based diet. As for amino acids, the naturopath is probably thinking lysine. If you do a high grain vegan diet, it might be low in lysine which is very important for lots of function. However, if you eat a variety of things including beans and nuts, you should be fine. A varied healthful vegan diet beats out an overly processed wheat, dairy, and meat based diet hands down. Again, my first thought would be zinc levels (low zinc decreases appetite). I would also look at the minerals that her meds likely deplete and try to raise them. Amanda , " Shannon West " <shanwest wrote: > > She's on Concerta for ADHD. We tried every reasonable alternative (for several years) before agreeing to the drug, but I'm open to suggestions. > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > Deborah Pageau > Receiver: > Time: 2009-09-02, 18:11:01 > Re: Getting protein without meat > > > Ah. Well, since the medication is the cause of the lack of appetite and weight loss, the solution would seem to be weaning her off the medication. Anything less would probably provide partial results at best, and possibly complete failure. > > What is the medication? ... and what is it for? > > There are a LOT of very resourceful people on this list, at least one of whom may offer a healthy alternative! > > Deborah > > It's a good thought, but yes. She's on medication that causes the lack of appetite and weight loss. Also, I purposely glutened her (without her knowledge) a few months back and WHOOOBOY, yes, I can definitely tell when she's gotten any gluten. > > Shannon > > Deborah Pageau > > Underweight and lack of appetite could also be from non-food issues, but they are certainly issues associated with active gluten intolerance. Are you sure she is sticking 100% to a gluten free diet? > > Deborah > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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