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Here's an article:

http://www.sparkpeople.com/resource/nutrition_articles.asp?id=379

 

This is a pretty generic article but I thought it might be good for family

members or beginners who don't think it's possible. I know the issue has come up

a few times so hopefully this helps some to find reassurance that meat is not

the only source of protein and you can get enough protein without meat! Enjoy!

:)

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That's a good find! :-)

 

Deborah

 

 

Here's an article:

http://www.sparkpeople.com/resource/nutrition_articles.asp?id=379

 

This is a pretty generic article but I thought it might be good for family

members or beginners who don't think it's possible. I know the issue has come up

a few times so hopefully this helps some to find reassurance that meat is not

the only source of protein and you can get enough protein without meat! Enjoy!

:)

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WOW--thanks SO much for finding this article and sharing it!  I'm vegan but

there are some GREAT suggestions in here for cooking that I hadn't thought about

that I enjoyed reading about.  THANKS again, and I've shared this article on my

Facebook page, will tweet it, and forwarded it to my friends and family. :)

 

--- On Fri, 8/28/09, catchadream04 <recyclednew wrote:

 

 

catchadream04 <recyclednew

Getting protein without meat

 

Friday, August 28, 2009, 2:21 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's an article: http://www.sparkpeo ple.com/resource /nutrition_ articles.

asp?id=379

 

This is a pretty generic article but I thought it might be good for family

members or beginners who don't think it's possible. I know the issue has come up

a few times so hopefully this helps some to find reassurance that meat is not

the only source of protein and you can get enough protein without meat! Enjoy!

:)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi all

 

There is a fantastic series of videos on youtube that address this question

(protein w/o meat) and other issues as well (though not gluten). The speaker,

Dr. Michael Klaper, is terrific: entertaining, funny, pithy, etc.; he draws on

the work of T. Colin Campbell (Author of The China Study) and others:

 

part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG_tn3KAXNE

 

part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibp1jCjojdo & NR=1

 

part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL3C2veCU6k & feature=related

 

part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUOgeq0MDkk & NR=1

 

part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1A4IaQ8y7Q & feature=related

 

part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffH4jC01gyM & feature=related

 

-MEC

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> That's a good find! :-)

>

> Deborah

>

>

> Here's an article:

http://www.sparkpeople.com/resource/nutrition_articles.asp?id=379

>

> This is a pretty generic article but I thought it might be good for family

members or beginners who don't think it's possible. I know the issue has come up

a few times so hopefully this helps some to find reassurance that meat is not

the only source of protein and you can get enough protein without meat! Enjoy!

:)

> .

>

>

>

>

>

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The ridiculous " argument " I'm hearing lately is that meat contains amino acids

that can't be found in plants.

Anyone have a source to refute this? The last time I heard it was actually from

a naturopath! She was arguing that my daughter should be eating more meat (she

does eat a little) because she has some problems with mood and anxiety and that

meat was " essential " for providing proteins and amino acids that are impossible

to get elsewhere.

 

Shannon

 

 

 

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I'd recomend going to humanesociety.org/humaneeating and requesting a copy of

" Guide to vegetarian eating " (free) and give it to your naturopath.

The only thing that's really an issue with this diet is B12, and that is easily

addressed with a supplement! In the booklet they have basic vegetarian nutrition

info, talks about protein etc. It's a really good booklet for beginners and

doctors. I have a habit of having info sent to doctors who don't have a clue.

They never say anything to me but I have seen the booklets in waiting rooms!

When I do, I pretend I'm reading it and take it back with me and leave it for

the doctor to see. Plus if an arguement starts, I have something there to back

me up! ;)

Just so you know, there are some graphic images in the begining about how

animals are processed and treated that you may not want young children to see.

I've seen a lot worse~these are really nothing! It's a parental decicion that

only the parent can make though, so go through it before letting your kids read

it! Doctors should be able to handle it, though you may bruise their egos!lol

Good luck!

 

 

Shannon West <shanwest

Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:02 PM

 

Re: Getting protein without meat

 

 

The ridiculous " argument " I'm hearing lately is that meat contains amino acids

that can't be found in plants.

Anyone have a source to refute this? The last time I heard it was actually from

a naturopath! She was arguing that my daughter should be eating more meat (she

does eat a little) because she has some problems with mood and anxiety and that

meat was " essential " for providing proteins and amino acids that are impossible

to get elsewhere.

 

Shannon

 

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Would it be possible to find a supplement of tryptophan and sam-E

which isn't animal based and try that for your daughter. sam-E

supplementation made a HUGE difference for my husband. In fact he was

off it for a month and was almost totally back to dysfunctional with

his depressive disorder. sam-E is really the only thing that has

helped him in 20 years of having a mood disorder.

 

He says 5htp (tryptophan) is what focuses him and the sam-E gives him

energy to do

 

BL

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Good idea! Thanks.

 

The other thing I need are some high calorie foods for her. She's quite

underweight and doesn't have much of an appetite.

 

Shannon

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Re: Getting protein without meat

 

 

Would it be possible to find a supplement of tryptophan and sam-E

which isn't animal based and try that for your daughter. sam-E

supplementation made a HUGE difference for my husband. In fact he was

off it for a month and was almost totally back to dysfunctional with

his depressive disorder. sam-E is really the only thing that has

helped him in 20 years of having a mood disorder.

 

He says 5htp (tryptophan) is what focuses him and the sam-E gives him

energy to do

 

BL

 

 

 

 

 

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http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/apr/dairy.htm

http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/protein.htm (amino acid tables down near

the bottom)

 

Pam

 

 

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Shannon West<shanwest wrote:

>

>

> The ridiculous " argument " I'm hearing lately is that meat contains amino

> acids that can't be found in plants.

> Anyone have a source to refute this? The last time I heard it was actually

> from a naturopath! She was arguing that my daughter should be eating more

> meat (she does eat a little) because she has some problems with mood and

> anxiety and that meat was " essential " for providing proteins and amino acids

> that are impossible to get elsewhere.

>

> Shannon

>

>

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Well that's just sad! Clearly, all naturopaths are not as well informed as we

would like! This article is from the Physicians Committee for Responsible

Medicine, has references and states the case clearly.

 

http://www.pcrm.org/health/veginfo/protein.html

 

Once a child is past the age of weaning, no animal products are required. We

all need to take B12 though. That is the only nutrient offered by meat lacking

in a vegan diet, easily provided by a supplement without all the toxins,

cholesterol etc.

 

Deborah

 

 

The ridiculous " argument " I'm hearing lately is that meat contains amino

acids that can't be found in plants.

Anyone have a source to refute this? The last time I heard it was actually

from a naturopath! She was arguing that my daughter should be eating more meat

(she does eat a little) because she has some problems with mood and anxiety and

that meat was " essential " for providing proteins and amino acids that are

impossible to get elsewhere.

 

Shannon

.

 

 

 

 

 

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Underweight and lack of appetite could also be from non-food issues, but they

are certainly issues associated with active gluten intolerance. Are you sure

she is sticking 100% to a gluten free diet?

 

Deborah

 

 

 

 

Good idea! Thanks.

 

The other thing I need are some high calorie foods for her. She's quite

underweight and doesn't have much of an appetite.

 

Shannon

.

 

 

 

 

 

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It's a good thought, but yes. She's on medication that causes the lack of

appetite and weight loss. Also, I purposely glutened her (without her knowledge)

a few months back and WHOOOBOY, yes, I can definitely tell when she's gotten any

gluten.

 

Shannon

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Deborah Pageau

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Time: 2009-09-02, 13:21:28

Re: Getting protein without meat

 

 

Underweight and lack of appetite could also be from non-food issues, but they

are certainly issues associated with active gluten intolerance. Are you sure she

is sticking 100% to a gluten free diet?

 

Deborah

 

Good idea! Thanks.

 

The other thing I need are some high calorie foods for her. She's quite

underweight and doesn't have much of an appetite.

 

Shannon

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Ah. Well, since the medication is the cause of the lack of appetite and weight

loss, the solution would seem to be weaning her off the medication. Anything

less would probably provide partial results at best, and possibly complete

failure.

 

What is the medication? ... and what is it for?

 

There are a LOT of very resourceful people on this list, at least one of whom

may offer a healthy alternative!

 

Deborah

 

 

It's a good thought, but yes. She's on medication that causes the lack of

appetite and weight loss. Also, I purposely glutened her (without her knowledge)

a few months back and WHOOOBOY, yes, I can definitely tell when she's gotten any

gluten.

 

Shannon

 

Deborah Pageau

 

Underweight and lack of appetite could also be from non-food issues, but they

are certainly issues associated with active gluten intolerance. Are you sure she

is sticking 100% to a gluten free diet?

 

Deborah

.

 

 

 

 

 

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has anyone suggested avocado?

 

DDP

 

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" Shannon West " <shanwest

>

> Good idea! Thanks.

>

> The other thing I need are some high calorie foods for her. She's quite

> underweight and doesn't have much of an appetite.

>

> Shannon

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She's on Concerta for ADHD. We tried every reasonable alternative (for several

years) before agreeing to the drug, but I'm open to suggestions.

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Time: 2009-09-02, 18:11:01

Re: Getting protein without meat

 

 

Ah. Well, since the medication is the cause of the lack of appetite and weight

loss, the solution would seem to be weaning her off the medication. Anything

less would probably provide partial results at best, and possibly complete

failure.

 

What is the medication? ... and what is it for?

 

There are a LOT of very resourceful people on this list, at least one of whom

may offer a healthy alternative!

 

Deborah

 

It's a good thought, but yes. She's on medication that causes the lack of

appetite and weight loss. Also, I purposely glutened her (without her knowledge)

a few months back and WHOOOBOY, yes, I can definitely tell when she's gotten any

gluten.

 

Shannon

 

Deborah Pageau

 

Underweight and lack of appetite could also be from non-food issues, but they

are certainly issues associated with active gluten intolerance. Are you sure she

is sticking 100% to a gluten free diet?

 

Deborah

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Eating a lot of high fat foods might (might!) increase her weight, but at what

cost?

 

Eating a lot of high fat foods would also increase her risk of developing

chronic disease, so might it be a robbing Peter to pay Paul, sort of solution?

 

Deborah

 

 

has anyone suggested avocado?

 

DDP

 

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" Shannon West " <shanwest

>

> Good idea! Thanks.

>

> The other thing I need are some high calorie foods for her. She's quite

> underweight and doesn't have much of an appetite.

>

> Shannon

.

 

 

 

 

 

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Did you try Feingold's protocol but adapted to vegan?

 

BL

 

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Shannon West<shanwest wrote:

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>

> She's on Concerta for ADHD. We tried every reasonable alternative (for

> several years) before agreeing to the drug, but I'm open to suggestions.

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EFAs, B vitamins, zinc, magnesium, etc. What have you tried? What is the

family history of illness? What are her symptoms? Have you done a food journal

(or could you?) My daughter would be on meds if we did not keep sulfites out of

her diet - she is also gluten free.

 

For me, zinc is an issue (and yes it can be for vegans/vegetarians). There is

some evidence that low zinc (or localized zinc deficiency) predisposes one to

food intolerance as well, but I have to go through the papers that I downloaded

a few days ago to connect the dots on that one. That may actually explain the

comment made a few months ago about one doc saying he is seeing more vegetarians

with celiac. You really have to watch zinc levels and try to take in 50% more

than recommended due to absorption issues when eating a plant based diet.

 

As for amino acids, the naturopath is probably thinking lysine. If you do a

high grain vegan diet, it might be low in lysine which is very important for

lots of function. However, if you eat a variety of things including beans and

nuts, you should be fine.

 

A varied healthful vegan diet beats out an overly processed wheat, dairy, and

meat based diet hands down.

 

Again, my first thought would be zinc levels (low zinc decreases appetite). I

would also look at the minerals that her meds likely deplete and try to raise

them.

 

Amanda

 

 

 

, " Shannon West " <shanwest

wrote:

>

> She's on Concerta for ADHD. We tried every reasonable alternative (for several

years) before agreeing to the drug, but I'm open to suggestions.

> ----- Receiving the following content -----

> Deborah Pageau

> Receiver:

> Time: 2009-09-02, 18:11:01

> Re: Getting protein without meat

>

>

> Ah. Well, since the medication is the cause of the lack of appetite and

weight loss, the solution would seem to be weaning her off the medication.

Anything less would probably provide partial results at best, and possibly

complete failure.

>

> What is the medication? ... and what is it for?

>

> There are a LOT of very resourceful people on this list, at least one of whom

may offer a healthy alternative!

>

> Deborah

>

> It's a good thought, but yes. She's on medication that causes the lack of

appetite and weight loss. Also, I purposely glutened her (without her knowledge)

a few months back and WHOOOBOY, yes, I can definitely tell when she's gotten any

gluten.

>

> Shannon

>

> Deborah Pageau

>

> Underweight and lack of appetite could also be from non-food issues, but they

are certainly issues associated with active gluten intolerance. Are you sure she

is sticking 100% to a gluten free diet?

>

> Deborah

> .

>

>

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She's on Concerta for ADHD. We tried every reasonable alternative (for several

years) before agreeing to the drug, but I'm open to suggestions.

 

On the off chance that you haven't tried this:

 

My son is on the Feingold diet and supplementing with B6, magnesium and fish

oil. We also use something (it changes) to keep his yeast under control. THe

Failsafe diet is similar to the Feingold diet but it focuses on natural phenols

and salisylates found in food and eliminates them also.

 

Patty

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Yes. While it has helped, it didn't help enough that she could function either

at home or at school at a level any of us considered acceptable.

 

Shannon

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Time: 2009-09-02, 23:59:51

Re: Getting protein without meat

 

 

Did you try Feingold's protocol but adapted to vegan?

 

BL

 

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Shannon West<shanwest wrote:

>

>

> She's on Concerta for ADHD. We tried every reasonable alternative (for

> several years) before agreeing to the drug, but I'm open to suggestions.

 

 

 

 

 

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Yes, we did a food journal. And she's on a zinc supplement.

 

Lysine, huh. Okay. Will work on it.

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aldohert

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Time: 2009-09-03, 07:57:39

Re: Getting protein without meat

 

 

EFAs, B vitamins, zinc, magnesium, etc. What have you tried? What is the

family history of illness? What are her symptoms? Have you done a food journal

(or could you?) My daughter would be on meds if we did not keep sulfites out of

her diet - she is also gluten free.

 

For me, zinc is an issue (and yes it can be for vegans/vegetarians). There is

some evidence that low zinc (or localized zinc deficiency) predisposes one to

food intolerance as well, but I have to go through the papers that I downloaded

a few days ago to connect the dots on that one. That may actually explain the

comment made a few months ago about one doc saying he is seeing more vegetarians

with celiac. You really have to watch zinc levels and try to take in 50% more

than recommended due to absorption issues when eating a plant based diet.

 

As for amino acids, the naturopath is probably thinking lysine. If you do a high

grain vegan diet, it might be low in lysine which is very important for lots of

function. However, if you eat a variety of things including beans and nuts, you

should be fine.

 

A varied healthful vegan diet beats out an overly processed wheat, dairy, and

meat based diet hands down.

 

Again, my first thought would be zinc levels (low zinc decreases appetite). I

would also look at the minerals that her meds likely deplete and try to raise

them.

 

Amanda

 

, " Shannon West " <shanwest

wrote:

>

> She's on Concerta for ADHD. We tried every reasonable alternative (for several

years) before agreeing to the drug, but I'm open to suggestions.

> ----- Receiving the following content -----

> Deborah Pageau

> Receiver:

> Time: 2009-09-02, 18:11:01

> Re: Getting protein without meat

>

>

> Ah. Well, since the medication is the cause of the lack of appetite and weight

loss, the solution would seem to be weaning her off the medication. Anything

less would probably provide partial results at best, and possibly complete

failure.

>

> What is the medication? ... and what is it for?

>

> There are a LOT of very resourceful people on this list, at least one of whom

may offer a healthy alternative!

>

> Deborah

>

> It's a good thought, but yes. She's on medication that causes the lack of

appetite and weight loss. Also, I purposely glutened her (without her knowledge)

a few months back and WHOOOBOY, yes, I can definitely tell when she's gotten any

gluten.

>

> Shannon

>

> Deborah Pageau

>

> Underweight and lack of appetite could also be from non-food issues, but they

are certainly issues associated with active gluten intolerance. Are you sure she

is sticking 100% to a gluten free diet?

>

> Deborah

> .

>

>

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