Guest guest Posted September 15, 2009 Report Share Posted September 15, 2009 I'm forwarding this because we had some discussions about vaccines and this is really scary but very important for those considering vaccination so they can make an informed decision. Pass it on to friends and family.... The swine flu virus has dominated the news over the last few months. For this reason, I hesitated to mention yet one more thing that could contribute to public fear and hysteria ... ....but what I'm about to tell you is too IMPORTANT to ignore. There's some bad news .. and some good news. First, the bad news. By now, you've heard that... ==> Up to half of the U.S. population is expected to become infected with the swine flu virus this flu season (Source: NBC's Today Show) ==> Up to 90,000 Americans will die of swine flu (Source: A White House panel of advisors to the President) ==> There will be a swine flu pandemic that will affect one-third of the entire world's population (Source: World Health Organization) It gets worse. The much-touted swine flu vaccine, which is going to be available in October, has been linked to an increased CANCER RISK. According to German lung specialist Wolfgang Wodarg (who is also the chairman of the health committee in the German parliament and European Council), the swine flu vaccine's nutrient solution contains CANCEROUS cells from animals. This has raised the question as to whether injecting such cancer cells into the human body would increase a person's risk of contracting cancer! In addition, the general public has had serious concerns as to whether the fast- tracked vaccine is SAFE and EFFECTIVE -- since it's being rushed to market without the appropriate testing and safety evaluations. According to research reported in the August 25 issue of the British Medical Journal... .... more than 50% of doctors and nurses in public hospitals would refuse the H1N1 vaccine because they're concerned about its side effects, and have doubts about its efficacy. And according to a Fox News poll conducted in August, the MAJORITY of Americans now believe that the swine flu vaccine may be DEADLIER than the swine flu virus itself. So what's the GOOD NEWS? There's a natural, scientifically proven method for creating an environment in the body which is uninhabitable by the swine flu virus, as well as other disease micro-organisms, germs and bacteria. It involves a natural oxygenating substance that makes your body immune to swine flu and virtually all diseases. I urge you to watch the 7-minute video titled " The Swine Flu Virus Cure They Don't Want You to Know " at: *http://tinyurl.com/lq89pu<http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=9s6ZB & m=1Zr1KpC1ETzG\ O9 & b=66b_j.eJIo703EzdsVabhw> * This is the video the pharmaceutical industry does NOT want you to watch. Why? Because it threatens the billions of dollars they could potentially make from the swine flu vaccine. Don't forget to forward this e-mail to everyone you know because no one can escape exposure to the swine flu virus this flu season. It's that important. You might even end up saving someone's life. Go watch the video now by going to the following webpage: *http://tinyurl.com/lq89pu*<http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=9s6ZB & m=1Zr1KpC1ETz\ GO9 & b=ERqSVdHLzE78RTd2nBss5A> If your e-mail program won't allow you to above, copy the link and paste it onto the address bar of your Internet browser. Wishing you the best of health, Dr. Suzanne © Dr. Suzanne Gudakunst, Inc and Ask Dr Suzanne, Inc 4400 North Scottsdale Road # 9372, Scottsdale, AZ 85251 To or change r options visit: http://www.aweber.com/z/r/?rCwMDByMtCwcjMxMHCzstEa0rMycHCwMnA== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 I strongly object to this post, which is an advertisement for a website which promises to reveal a " secret cure " to swine flu if you provide your email address. Clearly the goal is to collect email addresses of people who are inclined towards homeopathy for later targeted advertising. The post is neither about being vegan, nor being gluten-free and is exactly the kind of thing that is sure to start a never-ending flame fest between those who support mainstream science and medicine, and those who don't. Please keep this kind of content off this list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 Just to be clear, I know that Jae Jones is a long-time member to this group who consistently makes positive contributions to the group. I am sure she posted this with the best of intentions. I am not questioning her or her motives, I just want to make it clear that I think this particular post is inappropriate for this list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 As a mom to autistic kiddos....let me assure you, that no vaccine is safe. The things inside it are unbelievable...and we lost our kiddos vaccines....I am hearing in so many places that this is not a terrible hard virus...most folks will be sick 3-5 days...which is pretty normal. This vaccine is also made on eggs...so if you have those allergies...that is another reason. Trying to stay out of harm's way....not going unneccesary places, frequent hand washing, carrying a handkerchief or kleenex. Using fresh towels and wash clothes with every bath..making sure you are getting a good multiiple vitamin and also a multi mineral supplement and upping your vit C levels to bowel tolerance are all HUGE helps. > > I'm forwarding this because we had some discussions about vaccines and this > is really scary but very important for those considering vaccination so they > can make an informed decision. > > Pass it on to friends and family.... > > > The swine flu virus has dominated the news > over the last few months. For this reason, > I hesitated to mention yet one more thing > that could contribute to public fear and > hysteria ... > > ...but what I'm about to tell you is too > IMPORTANT to ignore. > > There's some bad news .. and some good > news. > > First, the bad news. > > By now, you've heard that... > > ==> Up to half of the U.S. population is > expected to become infected with the swine > flu virus this flu season > (Source: NBC's Today Show) > > ==> Up to 90,000 Americans will die of > swine flu > (Source: A White House panel of advisors > to the President) > > ==> There will be a swine flu pandemic > that will affect one-third of the entire > world's population (Source: World Health > Organization) > > It gets worse. > > The much-touted swine flu vaccine, which > is going to be available in October, has > been linked to an increased CANCER RISK. > > According to German lung specialist > Wolfgang Wodarg (who is also the chairman > of the health committee in the German > parliament and European Council), the > swine flu vaccine's nutrient solution > contains CANCEROUS cells from animals. > > This has raised the question as to whether > injecting such cancer cells into the human > body would increase a person's risk of > contracting cancer! > > In addition, the general public has had > serious concerns as to whether the fast- > tracked vaccine is SAFE and EFFECTIVE -- > since it's being rushed to market without > the appropriate testing and safety > evaluations. > > According to research reported in the > August 25 issue of the British Medical > Journal... > > ... more than 50% of doctors and nurses > in public hospitals would refuse the H1N1 > vaccine because they're concerned about > its side effects, and have doubts about > its efficacy. > > And according to a Fox News poll > conducted in August, the MAJORITY of > Americans now believe that the swine flu > vaccine may be DEADLIER than the swine > flu virus itself. > > So what's the GOOD NEWS? > > There's a natural, scientifically proven > method for creating an environment in > the body which is uninhabitable by the > swine flu virus, as well as other > disease micro-organisms, germs and > bacteria. It involves a natural > oxygenating substance that makes your > body immune to swine flu and virtually > all diseases. > > I urge you to watch the 7-minute video > titled " The Swine Flu Virus Cure They > Don't Want You to Know " at: > > *http://tinyurl.com/lq89pu<http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=9s6ZB & m=1Zr1KpC1ETzG\ O9 & b=66b_j.eJIo703EzdsVabhw> > * > This is the video the pharmaceutical > industry does NOT want you to watch. > Why? Because it threatens the billions > of dollars they could potentially make > from the swine flu vaccine. > > Don't forget to forward this e-mail to > everyone you know because no one can > escape exposure to the swine flu virus > this flu season. It's that important. > You might even end up saving someone's > life. > > Go watch the video now by going to the > following webpage: > > *http://tinyurl.com/lq89pu*<http://clicks.aweber.com/y/ct/?l=9s6ZB & m=1Zr1KpC1ETz\ GO9 & b=ERqSVdHLzE78RTd2nBss5A> > > If your e-mail program won't allow you > to above, copy the > link and paste it onto the address bar > of your Internet browser. > > Wishing you the best of health, > > Dr. Suzanne > > > > © Dr. Suzanne Gudakunst, Inc and Ask Dr Suzanne, Inc > 4400 North Scottsdale Road # 9372, Scottsdale, AZ 85251 > > To or change r options visit: > http://www.aweber.com/z/r/?rCwMDByMtCwcjMxMHCzstEa0rMycHCwMnA== > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 I'm sorry I offended people with this post. My intention was not to recruit people to join the mailing list or purchase anything. I was simply passing along information. There has been discussions about vaccinations and a lot of concern over the swine flu. Because of that I passed this on, concerned about the link to cancer with the vaccination, I wanted to share that knowledge with those considering the vaccination or with family members or friends considering it. I receive the newsletter all the time for information and I tend to block out the advertising end of things and I apologize for that. I simply wanted to share some information to help others make an informed decision about vaccination. I am openly against vaccinations as I believe they cause more harm than good. However I respect other people's right to choose for themselves what is right for them. I think people should read as much as they can about the dangers and side effects and weigh it against the benefit before making a decision. In conventional medicine there is a such thing as informed consent, but seldom do doctors inform you of every option and all the side effects. We are responsible for learning about our medical choices and how they will effect us. As a HHP I like to share information with others, especially when I see something as serious as a link to cancer, so that I can help facilitate that informed consent that everyone has a right to know before making a decision about their health and their life! Thank you Mark. I will double check my contributions to make sure they are not advertisements in the future. I sincerely meant no harm or disrespect in posting this. Jae On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Mark Engelberg <mark.engelbergwrote: > > > Just to be clear, I know that Jae Jones is a long-time member to this > group who consistently makes positive contributions to the group. I > am sure she posted this with the best of intentions. I am not > questioning her or her motives, I just want to make it clear that I > think this particular post is inappropriate for this list. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2009 Report Share Posted September 16, 2009 I'm posting another link as to why you don't need the vaccine, even if you're already been exposed to swine flu, which chances are pretty good that you have. I'm glad this topic came up, so I could spread the word here as well: http://www.naturalnews.com/027037_swine_flu_H1N1_vaccines.html --- On Wed, 9/16/09, ronnimike <HISSPECIALTOUCH wrote: ronnimike <HISSPECIALTOUCH Re: Protect Yourself...Does the swine flu vaccine cause cancer? -- A Shocking Video Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 10:33 AM As a mom to autistic kiddos....let me assure you, that no vaccine is safe. The things inside it are unbelievable. ..and we lost our kiddos vaccines.... I am hearing in so many places that this is not a terrible hard virus...most folks will be sick 3-5 days...which is pretty normal. This vaccine is also made on eggs...so if you have those allergies... that is another reason. Trying to stay out of harm's way....not going unneccesary places, frequent hand washing, carrying a handkerchief or kleenex. Using fresh towels and wash clothes with every bath..making sure you are getting a good multiiple vitamin and also a multi mineral supplement and upping your vit C levels to bowel tolerance are all HUGE helps. > > I'm forwarding this because we had some discussions about vaccines and this > is really scary but very important for those considering vaccination so they > can make an informed decision. > > Pass it on to friends and family.... > > > The swine flu virus has dominated the news > over the last few months. For this reason, > I hesitated to mention yet one more thing > that could contribute to public fear and > hysteria ... > > ...but what I'm about to tell you is too > IMPORTANT to ignore. > > There's some bad news .. and some good > news. > > First, the bad news. > > By now, you've heard that... > > ==> Up to half of the U.S. population is > expected to become infected with the swine > flu virus this flu season > (Source: NBC's Today Show) > > ==> Up to 90,000 Americans will die of > swine flu > (Source: A White House panel of advisors > to the President) > > ==> There will be a swine flu pandemic > that will affect one-third of the entire > world's population (Source: World Health > Organization) > > It gets worse. > > The much-touted swine flu vaccine, which > is going to be available in October, has > been linked to an increased CANCER RISK. > > According to German lung specialist > Wolfgang Wodarg (who is also the chairman > of the health committee in the German > parliament and European Council), the > swine flu vaccine's nutrient solution > contains CANCEROUS cells from animals. > > This has raised the question as to whether > injecting such cancer cells into the human > body would increase a person's risk of > contracting cancer! > > In addition, the general public has had > serious concerns as to whether the fast- > tracked vaccine is SAFE and EFFECTIVE -- > since it's being rushed to market without > the appropriate testing and safety > evaluations. > > According to research reported in the > August 25 issue of the British Medical > Journal... > > ... more than 50% of doctors and nurses > in public hospitals would refuse the H1N1 > vaccine because they're concerned about > its side effects, and have doubts about > its efficacy. > > And according to a Fox News poll > conducted in August, the MAJORITY of > Americans now believe that the swine flu > vaccine may be DEADLIER than the swine > flu virus itself. > > So what's the GOOD NEWS? > > There's a natural, scientifically proven > method for creating an environment in > the body which is uninhabitable by the > swine flu virus, as well as other > disease micro-organisms, germs and > bacteria. It involves a natural > oxygenating substance that makes your > body immune to swine flu and virtually > all diseases. > > I urge you to watch the 7-minute video > titled " The Swine Flu Virus Cure They > Don't Want You to Know " at: > > *http://tinyurl. com/lq89pu<http://clicks. aweber.com/ y/ct/?l=9s6ZB & m=1Zr1KpC1ETzGO9 & b=66b_j. eJIo703EzdsVabhw> > * > This is the video the pharmaceutical > industry does NOT want you to watch. > Why? Because it threatens the billions > of dollars they could potentially make > from the swine flu vaccine. > > Don't forget to forward this e-mail to > everyone you know because no one can > escape exposure to the swine flu virus > this flu season. It's that important. > You might even end up saving someone's > life. > > Go watch the video now by going to the > following webpage: > > *http://tinyurl. com/lq89pu*<http://clicks. aweber.com/ y/ct/?l=9s6ZB & m=1Zr1KpC1ETzGO9 & b=ERqSVdHLzE78R Td2nBss5A> > > If your e-mail program won't allow you > to above, copy the > link and paste it onto the address bar > of your Internet browser. > > Wishing you the best of health, > > Dr. Suzanne > > > > © Dr. Suzanne Gudakunst, Inc and Ask Dr Suzanne, Inc > 4400 North Scottsdale Road # 9372, Scottsdale, AZ 85251 > > To or change r options visit: > http://www.aweber. com/z/r/? rCwMDByMtCwcjMxM HCzstEa0rMycHCwM nA== > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I know you believe what you are posting, but for those of us who value science and medicine, these posts are deeply painful to watch. From our perspective, you are spreading false fears and myths about the flu vaccine, and are therefore indirectly helping to cause the deaths of innocent people who go unprotected because of your fear. So then, I feel compelled to respond, because I don't want people to die from misinformation. But I really don't want to get sucked into a thread where I have to debunk each of these posts point by point. This has happened on other forums I'm a part of, and it's time-consuming and exhausting. So again, please try to understand how offensive and polarizing these posts are, and stop them in this forum about living vegan and gluten-free. I won't respond point by point, but since the cat is out of the bag, here are a couple links for some balance: http://pediatricinsider.wordpress.com/2009/09/15/flu-to-shot-or-not/ http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=1296 I am going to try very, very hard, not to respond further to any posts on this subject. This will be much easier if others will drop it as well. Thanks, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I also want to convey that Mark is not the only member of this group who objects to recent posts about the flu vaccine. This group is dedicated to discussing vegan, gluten-free issues. Although vaccines contain eggs, the posts regarding the flu vaccine are not concentrating on any vegan or gluten-free issues. It's a contentious topic and I feel very strongly that this is not the place to have the discussion - either for or against the vaccine. , Mark Engelberg <mark.engelberg wrote: > > I know you believe what you are posting, but for those of us who value > science and medicine, these posts are deeply painful to watch. From > our perspective, you are spreading false fears and myths about the flu > vaccine, and are therefore indirectly helping to cause the deaths of > innocent people who go unprotected because of your fear. So then, I > feel compelled to respond, because I don't want people to die from > misinformation. But I really don't want to get sucked into a thread > where I have to debunk each of these posts point by point. This has > happened on other forums I'm a part of, and it's time-consuming and > exhausting. So again, please try to understand how offensive and > polarizing these posts are, and stop them in this forum about living > vegan and gluten-free. > > I won't respond point by point, but since the cat is out of the bag, > here are a couple links for some balance: > http://pediatricinsider.wordpress.com/2009/09/15/flu-to-shot-or-not/ > http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=1296 > > I am going to try very, very hard, not to respond further to any posts > on this subject. This will be much easier if others will drop it as > well. > > Thanks, > > Mark > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 People who value science and medicine? Like members of this list who have vaccine damaged children do not value it? That's very poorly worded and insulting. Vaccines injured thousands of people every year and yes it's proven. Now they just choose to call it a syndrome and the drug companies are being assigned damages for it in court. Perhaps you have not seen the research, from medical researchists, coming out of canada which shows that mercury and aluminium in the vaccines are causing mini strokes to all people who take it, just those affects are more noticeable in some than others. Simon Fraser University medical is also showing that aluminium in those same vaccines is contributory in alzheimers. It is not fear mongering to provide both sides of the position. Instead of saying someone who has a concern with vaccines and the heavy metals in them that DO cause problems for thousands and thousands of people, why not present information with a counter position. However, in the long run, it's LaDonna's list and if she chooses to permit information from members on not taking vaccines then that's her business and your note should have been sent to her privately. Medicine has it's place, as does science but that doesn't mean it should be allowed carte blanche and treated like it was the voice of G-d. BL Mark wrote: I know you believe what you are posting, but for those of us who value science and medicine, these posts are deeply painful to watch. From our perspective, you are spreading false fears and myths about the flu vaccine, and are therefore indirectly helping to cause the deaths of innocent people who go unprotected because of your fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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