Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Hi, I've just joined this group. My son & I are ADHD and were put on a Gluten,Dairy,Sugar & Additive free diet. This helped greatly. He wasn't allowed to have fish due to high mercury and as I didn't like red meat, we went vegetarian. Without milk we are almost vegan, but I didn't know what to use instead of eggs, so we still have them. Our allergies on top of the restricted diet mean that soy, peanuts and other things are also out, hence keeping eggs until I am more confident and know what I'm doing to still enable a balanced diet as DS is a growing 15yo teenager with huge feet! I've joined to get some recipes and tips. I noticed one posting that said you need B12 as the diet doesn't supply it. What I can't figure out is if vegan is natural and good for us, why doesn't it supply enough B12? Where do you get the sublingual pills that Jae recommended? How do you know if the B12 pills are vegan? If they are, why can't we eat whatever is in them for our B12? Sorry for all the questions, I just don't understand it, but am trying. Thanks, Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 Hi Karen, I had the same questions about veganism being natural when I ran into articles proclaiming you can't get b-12 from plant sources. (Don't worry, its totally do-able). I use a vegan b-12 supplement that is a tablet of concentrated beet root, and perhaps something else. All my vitamins come from a plant source, and since they are gentle, most can be taken on an empty stomach. I found the brand at my local health food store. Also, foods that may already be in your diet might have b-12. Some nutritional yeast has b-12, as does tempeh (I believe). I'm sure other things do, as well. Hope that helped, Ashley Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular " lakekers " <lakekers Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:06:47 Newby Hi, I've just joined this group. My son & I are ADHD and were put on a Gluten,Dairy,Sugar & Additive free diet. This helped greatly. He wasn't allowed to have fish due to high mercury and as I didn't like red meat, we went vegetarian. Without milk we are almost vegan, but I didn't know what to use instead of eggs, so we still have them. Our allergies on top of the restricted diet mean that soy, peanuts and other things are also out, hence keeping eggs until I am more confident and know what I'm doing to still enable a balanced diet as DS is a growing 15yo teenager with huge feet! I've joined to get some recipes and tips. I noticed one posting that said you need B12 as the diet doesn't supply it. What I can't figure out is if vegan is natural and good for us, why doesn't it supply enough B12? Where do you get the sublingual pills that Jae recommended? How do you know if the B12 pills are vegan? If they are, why can't we eat whatever is in them for our B12? Sorry for all the questions, I just don't understand it, but am trying. Thanks, Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2009 Report Share Posted September 17, 2009 I don't know if I'd term veganism " natural " , but that's not most people's reason for adopting it. B12 is produced by a bacteria in the dirt, and being as we tend to avoid bacteria and dirt, we tend not to get it " naturally " on a vegan diet. Any vegan food with b12 has been fortified. Red Star nutritional yeast doesn't naturally contain B12, it is fortified with it. Ditto for soy milks, meat analogues and other vegan foods. any health food store should have b12 supplements, and many grocery stores do too. You should get your b12 levels checked at least every couple of years to make sure that they are okay. If you want to get b12 naturally, a vegan diet is not for you! Pam On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:02 AM, <ashley_kayei wrote: > Hi Karen, > > I had the same questions about veganism being natural when I ran into articles proclaiming you can't get b-12 from plant sources. (Don't worry, its totally do-able). > > I use a vegan b-12 supplement that is a tablet of concentrated beet root, and perhaps something else. All my vitamins come from a plant source, and since they are gentle, most can be taken on an empty stomach. I found the brand at my local health food store. > > Also, foods that may already be in your diet might have b-12. Some nutritional yeast has b-12, as does tempeh (I believe). I'm sure other things do, as well. > > Hope that helped, > Ashley > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular > > > " lakekers " <lakekers > > Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:06:47 > > Newby > > > Hi, I've just joined this group. > My son & I are ADHD and were put on a Gluten,Dairy,Sugar & Additive free diet. This helped greatly. > He wasn't allowed to have fish due to high mercury and as I didn't like red meat, we went vegetarian. > Without milk we are almost vegan, but I didn't know what to use instead of eggs, so we still have them. > Our allergies on top of the restricted diet mean that soy, peanuts and other things are also out, hence keeping eggs until I am more confident and know what I'm doing to still enable a balanced diet as DS is a growing 15yo teenager with huge feet! > I've joined to get some recipes and tips. > I noticed one posting that said you need B12 as the diet doesn't supply it. What I can't figure out is if vegan is natural and good for us, why doesn't it supply enough B12? > Where do you get the sublingual pills that Jae recommended? > How do you know if the B12 pills are vegan? > If they are, why can't we eat whatever is in them for our B12? > Sorry for all the questions, I just don't understand it, but am trying. > Thanks, > Karen > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 Hi Karen; Welcome to the group! You can get sublingual B12 at most pharmacies, in the supplement aisle. They may seem pricey but they really are important. Yes, vegans do need to take B12 as it is not naturally available from plant foods. In nature, primates eat some flesh now and then, and they also engage in " coprophagy " , both of which are good sources of B12. Since we humans are not willing to do either " natural " behavior, getting the B12 from a supplement makes sense. You can know the B12 is vegan because it will say on the bottle that it is suitable for vegetarians, and the list of ingredients will also help confirm that there are no animal products like lactose, etc. Nutritional yeast, soy milk and other vegan food products are supplemented with B12, but you have no reliable way of knowing how much B12 you may be getting that way. A supplement lets you ensure the dosage. There are lots of good articles on the net about the need for B12 written by vegan dietiticans. It's not just vegans who need it, even meat eaters who have digestive issues can need it too. Deborah Hi, I've just joined this group. My son & I are ADHD and were put on a Gluten,Dairy,Sugar & Additive free diet. This helped greatly. He wasn't allowed to have fish due to high mercury and as I didn't like red meat, we went vegetarian. Without milk we are almost vegan, but I didn't know what to use instead of eggs, so we still have them. Our allergies on top of the restricted diet mean that soy, peanuts and other things are also out, hence keeping eggs until I am more confident and know what I'm doing to still enable a balanced diet as DS is a growing 15yo teenager with huge feet! I've joined to get some recipes and tips. I noticed one posting that said you need B12 as the diet doesn't supply it. What I can't figure out is if vegan is natural and good for us, why doesn't it supply enough B12? Where do you get the sublingual pills that Jae recommended? How do you know if the B12 pills are vegan? If they are, why can't we eat whatever is in them for our B12? Sorry for all the questions, I just don't understand it, but am trying. Thanks, Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Hi Ashley, Thanks for the support. I hope to learn more as I go. Karen. ________________________________ " ashley_kayei " <ashley_kayei Friday, 18 September, 2009 3:02:50 AM Re: Newby Hi Karen, I had the same questions about veganism being natural when I ran into articles proclaiming you can't get b-12 from plant sources. (Don't worry, its totally do-able). I use a vegan b-12 supplement that is a tablet of concentrated beet root, and perhaps something else. All my vitamins come from a plant source, and since they are gentle, most can be taken on an empty stomach. I found the brand at my local health food store. Also, foods that may already be in your diet might have b-12. Some nutritional yeast has b-12, as does tempeh (I believe). I'm sure other things do, as well. Hope that helped, Ashley Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellular " lakekers " <lakekers Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:06:47 Newby Hi, I've just joined this group. My son & I are ADHD and were put on a Gluten,Dairy,Sugar & Additive free diet. This helped greatly. He wasn't allowed to have fish due to high mercury and as I didn't like red meat, we went vegetarian. Without milk we are almost vegan, but I didn't know what to use instead of eggs, so we still have them. Our allergies on top of the restricted diet mean that soy, peanuts and other things are also out, hence keeping eggs until I am more confident and know what I'm doing to still enable a balanced diet as DS is a growing 15yo teenager with huge feet! I've joined to get some recipes and tips. I noticed one posting that said you need B12 as the diet doesn't supply it. What I can't figure out is if vegan is natural and good for us, why doesn't it supply enough B12? Where do you get the sublingual pills that Jae recommended? How do you know if the B12 pills are vegan? If they are, why can't we eat whatever is in them for our B12? Sorry for all the questions, I just don't understand it, but am trying. Thanks, Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Maybe I should keep eggs in til I figure this out! I am still new to this and thought that asking questions was what a forum was about. I was under the impression that vegan was a natural diet (maybe that's where I went wrong). As I said I'm new at this. Maybe a vegan diet isn't for me, but I'd like to know more about it before I just give up! That's the reason I joined this forum, to learn more and get recipes to try. Karen. ________________________________ pdw <pdworkman Friday, 18 September, 2009 4:19:45 AM Re: Newby I don't know if I'd term veganism " natural " , but that's not most people's reason for adopting it. B12 is produced by a bacteria in the dirt, and being as we tend to avoid bacteria and dirt, we tend not to get it " naturally " on a vegan diet. Any vegan food with b12 has been fortified. Red Star nutritional yeast doesn't naturally contain B12, it is fortified with it. Ditto for soy milks, meat analogues and other vegan foods. any health food store should have b12 supplements, and many grocery stores do too. You should get your b12 levels checked at least every couple of years to make sure that they are okay. If you want to get b12 naturally, a vegan diet is not for you! Pam On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:02 AM, <ashley_kayei wrote: > Hi Karen, > > I had the same questions about veganism being natural when I ran into articles proclaiming you can't get b-12 from plant sources. (Don't worry, its totally do-able). > > I use a vegan b-12 supplement that is a tablet of concentrated beet root, and perhaps something else. All my vitamins come from a plant source, and since they are gentle, most can be taken on an empty stomach. I found the brand at my local health food store. > > Also, foods that may already be in your diet might have b-12. Some nutritional yeast has b-12, as does tempeh (I believe). I'm sure other things do, as well. > > Hope that helped, > Ashley > > Sent from my BlackBerryŽ wireless device from U.S. Cellular > > > " lakekers " <lakekers > > Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:06:47 > > Newby > > > Hi, I've just joined this group. > My son & I are ADHD and were put on a Gluten,Dairy,Sugar & Additive free diet. This helped greatly. > He wasn't allowed to have fish due to high mercury and as I didn't like red meat, we went vegetarian. > Without milk we are almost vegan, but I didn't know what to use instead of eggs, so we still have them. > Our allergies on top of the restricted diet mean that soy, peanuts and other things are also out, hence keeping eggs until I am more confident and know what I'm doing to still enable a balanced diet as DS is a growing 15yo teenager with huge feet! > I've joined to get some recipes and tips. > I noticed one posting that said you need B12 as the diet doesn't supply it. What I can't figure out is if vegan is natural and good for us, why doesn't it supply enough B12? > Where do you get the sublingual pills that Jae recommended? > How do you know if the B12 pills are vegan? > If they are, why can't we eat whatever is in them for our B12? > Sorry for all the questions, I just don't understand it, but am trying. > Thanks, > Karen > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Thanks Deborah, your response was most helpful and helps me to understand better. I will start looking to find a suitable one. Karen. ________________________________ Deborah Pageau <dpageau Friday, 18 September, 2009 1:11:24 PM Re: Newby Hi Karen; Welcome to the group! You can get sublingual B12 at most pharmacies, in the supplement aisle. They may seem pricey but they really are important. Yes, vegans do need to take B12 as it is not naturally available from plant foods. In nature, primates eat some flesh now and then, and they also engage in " coprophagy " , both of which are good sources of B12. Since we humans are not willing to do either " natural " behavior, getting the B12 from a supplement makes sense. You can know the B12 is vegan because it will say on the bottle that it is suitable for vegetarians, and the list of ingredients will also help confirm that there are no animal products like lactose, etc. Nutritional yeast, soy milk and other vegan food products are supplemented with B12, but you have no reliable way of knowing how much B12 you may be getting that way. A supplement lets you ensure the dosage. There are lots of good articles on the net about the need for B12 written by vegan dietiticans. It's not just vegans who need it, even meat eaters who have digestive issues can need it too. Deborah Hi, I've just joined this group. My son & I are ADHD and were put on a Gluten,Dairy, Sugar & Additive free diet. This helped greatly. He wasn't allowed to have fish due to high mercury and as I didn't like red meat, we went vegetarian. Without milk we are almost vegan, but I didn't know what to use instead of eggs, so we still have them. Our allergies on top of the restricted diet mean that soy, peanuts and other things are also out, hence keeping eggs until I am more confident and know what I'm doing to still enable a balanced diet as DS is a growing 15yo teenager with huge feet! I've joined to get some recipes and tips. I noticed one posting that said you need B12 as the diet doesn't supply it. What I can't figure out is if vegan is natural and good for us, why doesn't it supply enough B12? Where do you get the sublingual pills that Jae recommended? How do you know if the B12 pills are vegan? If they are, why can't we eat whatever is in them for our B12? Sorry for all the questions, I just don't understand it, but am trying. Thanks, Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 You're very welcome Karen. I'm very glad you are taking B12 seriously. BTW, suitable B12 supplements are usually also available in health food stores. There are patches and little " leaves " that dissolve in the mouth too; and even ordinary tablets that you can simply let dissolve in your mouth, although they aren't flavoured. Avoid " time release " capsules as they may fail to dissolve fully before getting to the B12 receptors in the small intestine. Deborah Thanks Deborah, your response was most helpful and helps me to understand better. I will start looking to find a suitable one. Karen. ________________________________ Deborah Pageau <dpageau Friday, 18 September, 2009 1:11:24 PM Re: Newby Hi Karen; Welcome to the group! You can get sublingual B12 at most pharmacies, in the supplement aisle. They may seem pricey but they really are important. Yes, vegans do need to take B12 as it is not naturally available from plant foods. In nature, primates eat some flesh now and then, and they also engage in " coprophagy " , both of which are good sources of B12. Since we humans are not willing to do either " natural " behavior, getting the B12 from a supplement makes sense. You can know the B12 is vegan because it will say on the bottle that it is suitable for vegetarians, and the list of ingredients will also help confirm that there are no animal products like lactose, etc. Nutritional yeast, soy milk and other vegan food products are supplemented with B12, but you have no reliable way of knowing how much B12 you may be getting that way. A supplement lets you ensure the dosage. There are lots of good articles on the net about the need for B12 written by vegan dietiticans. It's not just vegans who need it, even meat eaters who have digestive issues can need it too. Deborah Hi, I've just joined this group. My son & I are ADHD and were put on a Gluten,Dairy, Sugar & Additive free diet. This helped greatly. He wasn't allowed to have fish due to high mercury and as I didn't like red meat, we went vegetarian. Without milk we are almost vegan, but I didn't know what to use instead of eggs, so we still have them. Our allergies on top of the restricted diet mean that soy, peanuts and other things are also out, hence keeping eggs until I am more confident and know what I'm doing to still enable a balanced diet as DS is a growing 15yo teenager with huge feet! I've joined to get some recipes and tips. I noticed one posting that said you need B12 as the diet doesn't supply it. What I can't figure out is if vegan is natural and good for us, why doesn't it supply enough B12? Where do you get the sublingual pills that Jae recommended? How do you know if the B12 pills are vegan? If they are, why can't we eat whatever is in them for our B12? Sorry for all the questions, I just don't understand it, but am trying. Thanks, Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Hi Karen, Sorry it took so long to respond. I get my sublingual B12 pills at walmart (I know!) because that is the best price I have found. I make a trip out to walmart about once every 2-3 months and stock up on the few items they carry at a bargain price. I have noticed that most of their stuff is about equal or more than other local stores. Unfortunately they don't carry my Juice for Life pills anymore and I don't know where to find them now. You can read about B12 in the vegan diet here: http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm I'm glad your giving the diet a chance, even though your still learning and not completely sure. Some egg subs are Ener-G Egg Replacer, flax, baby squash or sweet potato, applesauce, and mashed banana. I mostly use the baby food because it tends to help the moisture of the final product in baked goods. Scrambled tofu is a sub for scrambled eggs, but if soy if out then you don't have that option. You could make up quinoa with veggies as a SF alternative to an omelet. Not quite the same, but full of protein and nutrients and very satisfying! Good luck! Hope it works out for you! Jae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 I'm sorry if you felt that I was dismissive or gruff. I try to be concise, and don't always have a lot of time to post, but on the internet " tone " doesn't carry well. Please continue to ask questions and don't feel " reprimanded " by the way I responded. I apologize for any offense. I would repeat again, though, that I would not consider veganism a " natural " diet. Look at traditional/aboriginal cultures around the world, and you will not see any following vegan diets. They'll all include small amounts of eggs, bugs, dairy, seafood, etc. Much less than the SAD diet, but not vegan. You will not find veganism in our primate counterparts either. People generally choose a vegan diet as it is (a) compassionate (b) healthier for our bodies, provided we supply the nutrients such as B12 that are missing or © they have allergies/intolerances to animal products, not because it is " natural " . That doesn't make it bad, just not the " natural " diet of humans or primates. Pam On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 5:07 AM, Karen Kerslake <lakekerswrote: > > > Maybe I should keep eggs in til I figure this out! > I am still new to this and thought that asking questions was what a forum > was about. > I was under the impression that vegan was a natural diet (maybe that's > where I went wrong). > As I said I'm new at this. > Maybe a vegan diet isn't for me, but I'd like to know more about it before > I just give up! > That's the reason I joined this forum, to learn more and get recipes to > try. > Karen. > > ________________________________ > pdw <pdworkman <pdworkman%40gmail.com>> > > To: <%40> > Friday, 18 September, 2009 4:19:45 AM > Re: Newby > > > I don't know if I'd term veganism " natural " , but that's not most > people's reason for adopting it. > > B12 is produced by a bacteria in the dirt, and being as we tend to > avoid bacteria and dirt, we tend not to get it " naturally " on a vegan > diet. Any vegan food with b12 has been fortified. Red Star > nutritional yeast doesn't naturally contain B12, it is fortified with > it. Ditto for soy milks, meat analogues and other vegan foods. any > health food store should have b12 supplements, and many grocery stores > do too. > > You should get your b12 levels checked at least every couple of years > to make sure that they are okay. > > If you want to get b12 naturally, a vegan diet is not for you! > > Pam > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:02 AM, <ashley_kayei<ashley_kayei%40>> > wrote: > > Hi Karen, > > > > I had the same questions about veganism being natural when I ran into > articles proclaiming you can't get b-12 from plant sources. (Don't worry, > its totally do-able). > > > > I use a vegan b-12 supplement that is a tablet of concentrated beet root, > and perhaps something else. All my vitamins come from a plant source, and > since they are gentle, most can be taken on an empty stomach. I found the > brand at my local health food store. > > > > Also, foods that may already be in your diet might have b-12. Some > nutritional yeast has b-12, as does tempeh (I believe). I'm sure other > things do, as well. > > > > Hope that helped, > > Ashley > > > > Sent from my BlackBerryŽ wireless device from U.S. Cellular > > > > > > " lakekers " <lakekers <lakekers%40.au>> > > > > Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:06:47 > > To: < <%40> > > > > Newby > > > > > > Hi, I've just joined this group. > > My son & I are ADHD and were put on a Gluten,Dairy,Sugar & Additive free > diet. This helped greatly. > > He wasn't allowed to have fish due to high mercury and as I didn't like > red meat, we went vegetarian. > > Without milk we are almost vegan, but I didn't know what to use instead > of eggs, so we still have them. > > Our allergies on top of the restricted diet mean that soy, peanuts and > other things are also out, hence keeping eggs until I am more confident and > know what I'm doing to still enable a balanced diet as DS is a growing 15yo > teenager with huge feet! > > I've joined to get some recipes and tips. > > I noticed one posting that said you need B12 as the diet doesn't supply > it. What I can't figure out is if vegan is natural and good for us, why > doesn't it supply enough B12? > > Where do you get the sublingual pills that Jae recommended? > > How do you know if the B12 pills are vegan? > > If they are, why can't we eat whatever is in them for our B12? > > Sorry for all the questions, I just don't understand it, but am trying. > > Thanks, > > Karen > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Hi Pam, Sorry for taking it the wrong way. Being very new and having had a few really hard days this week left me unsure and a bit vulnerable (a late night didn't help either - sorry). Thanks for your apology, I do appreciate the information. I guess my description of 'natual' wasn't right, I was going by what I'd heard others (not here) say, my mistake. I take on board your comments. Karen. ________________________________ pdw <pdworkman Sunday, 20 September, 2009 4:40:40 AM Re: Newby  I'm sorry if you felt that I was dismissive or gruff. I try to be concise, and don't always have a lot of time to post, but on the internet " tone " doesn't carry well. Please continue to ask questions and don't feel " reprimanded " by the way I responded. I apologize for any offense. I would repeat again, though, that I would not consider veganism a " natural " diet. Look at traditional/ aboriginal cultures around the world, and you will not see any following vegan diets. They'll all include small amounts of eggs, bugs, dairy, seafood, etc. Much less than the SAD diet, but not vegan. You will not find veganism in our primate counterparts either. People generally choose a vegan diet as it is (a) compassionate (b) healthier for our bodies, provided we supply the nutrients such as B12 that are missing or © they have allergies/intoleran ces to animal products, not because it is " natural " . That doesn't make it bad, just not the " natural " diet of humans or primates. Pam On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 5:07 AM, Karen Kerslake <lakekers .au>wrote: > > > Maybe I should keep eggs in til I figure this out! > I am still new to this and thought that asking questions was what a forum > was about. > I was under the impression that vegan was a natural diet (maybe that's > where I went wrong). > As I said I'm new at this. > Maybe a vegan diet isn't for me, but I'd like to know more about it before > I just give up! > That's the reason I joined this forum, to learn more and get recipes to > try. > Karen. > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > pdw <pdworkman (AT) gmail (DOT) com <pdworkman%40gmail. com>> > > Vegan-and-Gluten- Free@ .com<Vegan-and-Gluten- Free%40grou ps.com> > Friday, 18 September, 2009 4:19:45 AM > Re: [Vegan-and-Gluten- Free] Newby > > > I don't know if I'd term veganism " natural " , but that's not most > people's reason for adopting it. > > B12 is produced by a bacteria in the dirt, and being as we tend to > avoid bacteria and dirt, we tend not to get it " naturally " on a vegan > diet. Any vegan food with b12 has been fortified. Red Star > nutritional yeast doesn't naturally contain B12, it is fortified with > it. Ditto for soy milks, meat analogues and other vegan foods. any > health food store should have b12 supplements, and many grocery stores > do too. > > You should get your b12 levels checked at least every couple of years > to make sure that they are okay. > > If you want to get b12 naturally, a vegan diet is not for you! > > Pam > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:02 AM, <ashley_kayei@ <ashley_kayei% 40> > > wrote: > > Hi Karen, > > > > I had the same questions about veganism being natural when I ran into > articles proclaiming you can't get b-12 from plant sources. (Don't worry, > its totally do-able). > > > > I use a vegan b-12 supplement that is a tablet of concentrated beet root, > and perhaps something else. All my vitamins come from a plant source, and > since they are gentle, most can be taken on an empty stomach. I found the > brand at my local health food store. > > > > Also, foods that may already be in your diet might have b-12. Some > nutritional yeast has b-12, as does tempeh (I believe). I'm sure other > things do, as well. > > > > Hope that helped, > > Ashley > > > > Sent from my BlackBerryŽ wireless device from U.S. Cellular > > > > > > " lakekers " <lakekers .au <lakekers%40. com.au>> > > > > Thu, 17 Sep 2009 05:06:47 > > <Vegan-and-Gluten- Free@ .com<Vegan-and-Gluten- Free%40grou ps.com> > > > > [Vegan-and-Gluten- Free] Newby > > > > > > Hi, I've just joined this group. > > My son & I are ADHD and were put on a Gluten,Dairy, Sugar & Additive free > diet. This helped greatly. > > He wasn't allowed to have fish due to high mercury and as I didn't like > red meat, we went vegetarian. > > Without milk we are almost vegan, but I didn't know what to use instead > of eggs, so we still have them. > > Our allergies on top of the restricted diet mean that soy, peanuts and > other things are also out, hence keeping eggs until I am more confident and > know what I'm doing to still enable a balanced diet as DS is a growing 15yo > teenager with huge feet! > > I've joined to get some recipes and tips. > > I noticed one posting that said you need B12 as the diet doesn't supply > it. What I can't figure out is if vegan is natural and good for us, why > doesn't it supply enough B12? > > Where do you get the sublingual pills that Jae recommended? > > How do you know if the B12 pills are vegan? > > If they are, why can't we eat whatever is in them for our B12? > > Sorry for all the questions, I just don't understand it, but am trying. > > Thanks, > > Karen > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Hi Jae, I gather you are in US? I'm in Australia. No worries, I'll start looking around. I attended a series of seminars this week and the naturopath speaker had a table at the back with things for sale on it. I think out of memory she had B12 drops. I'll check with her. I can always order over the phone. I clicked the link and there was good info there, thanks. My son was on Methyl B12 for a while there, would that count or is it too different? I hadn't used quinoa before and tried making porridge in the crockpot using quinoa, millet & buckwheat. It's not too bad. I used to use brown rice, basmati rice, millet & buckwheat before I attended the seminar. There I found out that I should only keep anything with rice in it for no more than 12 hours. I was making up a couple of days worth of breakfasts to save time. Apparently it grows a fungus that you can't see which causes problems. DS already has a fungal problem that won't go away, maybe this is the cause of it. How else do you use quinoa? Is it really good for you? Looks like I'll have to add it to our diets (another new experience). Thanks to all, I'm soaking up the info. Karen. ________________________________ Jae Jones <recyclednew Sunday, 20 September, 2009 3:43:10 AM Re: Newby Hi Karen, Sorry it took so long to respond. I get my sublingual B12 pills at walmart (I know!) because that is the best price I have found. I make a trip out to walmart about once every 2-3 months and stock up on the few items they carry at a bargain price. I have noticed that most of their stuff is about equal or more than other local stores. Unfortunately they don't carry my Juice for Life pills anymore and I don't know where to find them now. You can read about B12 in the vegan diet here: http://www.vrg. org/nutrition/ b12.htm I'm glad your giving the diet a chance, even though your still learning and not completely sure. Some egg subs are Ener-G Egg Replacer, flax, baby squash or sweet potato, applesauce, and mashed banana. I mostly use the baby food because it tends to help the moisture of the final product in baked goods. Scrambled tofu is a sub for scrambled eggs, but if soy if out then you don't have that option. You could make up quinoa with veggies as a SF alternative to an omelet. Not quite the same, but full of protein and nutrients and very satisfying! Good luck! Hope it works out for you! Jae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 Thanks Deborah. It's good to have alternatives. I wasn't sure what 'coprophagy' was, so I looked it up. LOL That's not an alternative! Thanks again. Karen. ________________________________ Deborah Pageau <dpageau Sunday, 20 September, 2009 2:48:59 AM Re: Newby You're very welcome Karen. I'm very glad you are taking B12 seriously. BTW, suitable B12 supplements are usually also available in health food stores. There are patches and little " leaves " that dissolve in the mouth too; and even ordinary tablets that you can simply let dissolve in your mouth, although they aren't flavoured. Avoid " time release " capsules as they may fail to dissolve fully before getting to the B12 receptors in the small intestine. Deborah Thanks Deborah, your response was most helpful and helps me to understand better. I will start looking to find a suitable one. Karen. ____________ _________ _________ __ Deborah Pageau <dpageau (AT) dccnet (DOT) com> Vegan-and-Gluten- Free@ .com Friday, 18 September, 2009 1:11:24 PM Re: [Vegan-and-Gluten- Free] Newby Hi Karen; Welcome to the group! You can get sublingual B12 at most pharmacies, in the supplement aisle. They may seem pricey but they really are important. Yes, vegans do need to take B12 as it is not naturally available from plant foods. In nature, primates eat some flesh now and then, and they also engage in " coprophagy " , both of which are good sources of B12. Since we humans are not willing to do either " natural " behavior, getting the B12 from a supplement makes sense. You can know the B12 is vegan because it will say on the bottle that it is suitable for vegetarians, and the list of ingredients will also help confirm that there are no animal products like lactose, etc. Nutritional yeast, soy milk and other vegan food products are supplemented with B12, but you have no reliable way of knowing how much B12 you may be getting that way. A supplement lets you ensure the dosage. There are lots of good articles on the net about the need for B12 written by vegan dietiticans. It's not just vegans who need it, even meat eaters who have digestive issues can need it too. Deborah Hi, I've just joined this group. My son & I are ADHD and were put on a Gluten,Dairy, Sugar & Additive free diet. This helped greatly. He wasn't allowed to have fish due to high mercury and as I didn't like red meat, we went vegetarian. Without milk we are almost vegan, but I didn't know what to use instead of eggs, so we still have them. Our allergies on top of the restricted diet mean that soy, peanuts and other things are also out, hence keeping eggs until I am more confident and know what I'm doing to still enable a balanced diet as DS is a growing 15yo teenager with huge feet! I've joined to get some recipes and tips. I noticed one posting that said you need B12 as the diet doesn't supply it. What I can't figure out is if vegan is natural and good for us, why doesn't it supply enough B12? Where do you get the sublingual pills that Jae recommended? How do you know if the B12 pills are vegan? If they are, why can't we eat whatever is in them for our B12? Sorry for all the questions, I just don't understand it, but am trying. Thanks, Karen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2009 Report Share Posted September 19, 2009 My sentiments exactly! :-) Deborah Thanks Deborah. It's good to have alternatives. I wasn't sure what 'coprophagy' was, so I looked it up. LOL That's not an alternative! Thanks again. Karen. You're very welcome Karen. I'm very glad you are taking B12 seriously. BTW, suitable B12 supplements are usually also available in health food stores. There are patches and little " leaves " that dissolve in the mouth too; and even ordinary tablets that you can simply let dissolve in your mouth, although they aren't flavoured. Avoid " time release " capsules as they may fail to dissolve fully before getting to the B12 receptors in the small intestine. Deborah Thanks Deborah, your response was most helpful and helps me to understand better. I will start looking to find a suitable one. Karen. Hi Karen; Welcome to the group! You can get sublingual B12 at most pharmacies, in the supplement aisle. They may seem pricey but they really are important. Yes, vegans do need to take B12 as it is not naturally available from plant foods. In nature, primates eat some flesh now and then, and they also engage in " coprophagy " , both of which are good sources of B12. Since we humans are not willing to do either " natural " behavior, getting the B12 from a supplement makes sense. You can know the B12 is vegan because it will say on the bottle that it is suitable for vegetarians, and the list of ingredients will also help confirm that there are no animal products like lactose, etc. Nutritional yeast, soy milk and other vegan food products are supplemented with B12, but you have no reliable way of knowing how much B12 you may be getting that way. A supplement lets you ensure the dosage. There are lots of good articles on the net about the need for B12 written by vegan dietiticans. It's not just vegans who need it, even meat eaters who have digestive issues can need it too. Deborah Hi, I've just joined this group. My son & I are ADHD and were put on a Gluten,Dairy, Sugar & Additive free diet. This helped greatly. He wasn't allowed to have fish due to high mercury and as I didn't like red meat, we went vegetarian. Without milk we are almost vegan, but I didn't know what to use instead of eggs, so we still have them. Our allergies on top of the restricted diet mean that soy, peanuts and other things are also out, hence keeping eggs until I am more confident and know what I'm doing to still enable a balanced diet as DS is a growing 15yo teenager with huge feet! I've joined to get some recipes and tips. I noticed one posting that said you need B12 as the diet doesn't supply it. What I can't figure out is if vegan is natural and good for us, why doesn't it supply enough B12? Where do you get the sublingual pills that Jae recommended? How do you know if the B12 pills are vegan? If they are, why can't we eat whatever is in them for our B12? Sorry for all the questions, I just don't understand it, but am trying. Thanks, Karen . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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