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Hi all,

 

I plan to take the Gluten Antibody IgG & IgA profile testing. Am I

correct that if I test negative that I am NOT sensitive to gluten? That

therefore gluten is not harmful to me?

 

I have been working with a GF diet now for about 3 weeks & don't find it

too too difficult since I only have to prepare food for myself. But

still if it's not necessary to follow this diet for me, I would just as

soon know it & go back on what was essentially the Mediterranean diet.

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Pam

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I tested negative with the IgG & IgA tests but the small bowel biopsy confirmed

celiac. It's less accurate if you've been following the diet.

 

 

Pam Norman <pam_norman

Saturday, October 24, 2009 6:18 PM

 

Gluten antibody testing

 

 

Hi all,

 

I plan to take the Gluten Antibody IgG & IgA profile testing. Am I

correct that if I test negative that I am NOT sensitive to gluten? That

therefore gluten is not harmful to me?

 

I have been working with a GF diet now for about 3 weeks & don't find it

too too difficult since I only have to prepare food for myself. But

still if it's not necessary to follow this diet for me, I would just as

soon know it & go back on what was essentially the Mediterranean diet.

 

Thanks,

 

Pam

 

 

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Pam,

 

I was told that the antibody blood test will only work if you are currently

eating gluten because the antibodies will only be present to fight the

gluten if gluten is in your system. So, if you've been gluten free for 3

weeks, then the gluten antibody test would come back negative even if you

are sensitive because there is no gluten in your system to create the

antibodies.

 

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what I was told when I

wanted to have the antibodies test after I had been GF for a few months.

 

Clara I. Ogren-Rubalcaba

http://www.sixfoodintolerance.com

Silver Spring Gluten Free Food Examiner:

http://bit.ly/SilverSpringGlutenFree

National Soy Free Food Examiner: http://bit.ly/SoyFree

Follow Me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/6foodintolerant

 

 

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Pam Norman <pam_norman wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> I plan to take the Gluten Antibody IgG & IgA profile testing. Am I

> correct that if I test negative that I am NOT sensitive to gluten? That

> therefore gluten is not harmful to me?

>

> I have been working with a GF diet now for about 3 weeks & don't find it

> too too difficult since I only have to prepare food for myself. But

> still if it's not necessary to follow this diet for me, I would just as

> soon know it & go back on what was essentially the Mediterranean diet.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Pam

>

>

 

 

 

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Unfortunately, no, that is not correct. IgG and IgA are two ways you can be

gluten sensitive or allergic, but they don't rule out gluten sensitivity or

gluten intolerance as a whole.

 

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Pam Norman <pam_norman wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> I plan to take the Gluten Antibody IgG & IgA profile testing. Am I

> correct that if I test negative that I am NOT sensitive to gluten? That

> therefore gluten is not harmful to me?

>

> I have been working with a GF diet now for about 3 weeks & don't find it

> too too difficult since I only have to prepare food for myself. But

> still if it's not necessary to follow this diet for me, I would just as

> soon know it & go back on what was essentially the Mediterranean diet.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Pam

>

>

 

 

 

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Is there any other test then by which I can determine whether I am or am

not gluten sensitive, period?

 

Sally Parrott Ashbrook wrote:

> Unfortunately, no, that is not correct. IgG and IgA are two ways you can be

> gluten sensitive or allergic, but they don't rule out gluten sensitivity or

> gluten intolerance as a whole.

>

> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Pam Norman <pam_norman wrote:

>

>

>> Hi all,

>>

>> I plan to take the Gluten Antibody IgG & IgA profile testing. Am I

>> correct that if I test negative that I am NOT sensitive to gluten? That

>> therefore gluten is not harmful to me?

>>

>> I have been working with a GF diet now for about 3 weeks & don't find it

>> too too difficult since I only have to prepare food for myself. But

>> still if it's not necessary to follow this diet for me, I would just as

>> soon know it & go back on what was essentially the Mediterranean diet.

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> Pam

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

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I would say that if you start to feel better on a gluten-free diet after

trying it for, say, three months, that's your answer.

 

However, if I tested negative for gluten sensitivity through the poo and

genetic testing from www.enterolab.com and also tested negative for it in

IgE and IgG allergy testing, I would assume my issues were other ones, I

think. I also think people in this group will have differing opinions about

how to answer your query. :)

 

Sally

 

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Pam Norman <pam_norman wrote:

 

>

>

> Is there any other test then by which I can determine whether I am or am

> not gluten sensitive, period?

>

>

> Sally Parrott Ashbrook wrote:

> > Unfortunately, no, that is not correct. IgG and IgA are two ways you can

> be

> > gluten sensitive or allergic, but they don't rule out gluten sensitivity

> or

> > gluten intolerance as a whole.

> >

> > On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Pam Norman

<pam_norman<pam_norman%40charter.net>>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> >> Hi all,

> >>

> >> I plan to take the Gluten Antibody IgG & IgA profile testing. Am I

> >> correct that if I test negative that I am NOT sensitive to gluten? That

> >> therefore gluten is not harmful to me?

> >>

> >> I have been working with a GF diet now for about 3 weeks & don't find it

> >> too too difficult since I only have to prepare food for myself. But

> >> still if it's not necessary to follow this diet for me, I would just as

> >> soon know it & go back on what was essentially the Mediterranean diet.

> >>

> >> Thanks,

> >>

> >> Pam

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

 

 

 

--

" If you want to write fiction, the best thing you can do is take two

aspirins, lie down in a dark room, and wait for the feeling to pass. If it

persists, you probably ought to write a novel. "

—Lawrence Block, Writing the Novel From Plot to Print

 

 

 

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In a nutshell, no. Sorry.

 

Shannon

 

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Time: 2009-10-24, 18:22:25

Re: Gluten antibody testing

 

 

 

 

>Is there any other test then by which I can determine whether I am or am

>not gluten sensitive, period?

>

>Sally Parrott Ashbrook wrote:

>> Unfortunately, no, that is not correct. IgG and IgA are two ways you can be

>> gluten sensitive or allergic, but they don't rule out gluten sensitivity or

>> gluten intolerance as a whole.

>>

>> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Pam Norman wrote:

>>

>>

>>> Hi all,

>>>

>>> I plan to take the Gluten Antibody IgG & IgA profile testing. Am I

>>> correct that if I test negative that I am NOT sensitive to gluten? That

>>> therefore gluten is not harmful to me?

>>>

>>> I have been working with a GF diet now for about 3 weeks & don't find it

>>> too too difficult since I only have to prepare food for myself. But

>>> still if it's not necessary to follow this diet for me, I would just as

>>> soon know it & go back on what was essentially the Mediterranean diet.

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>>

>>> Pam

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

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Small bowel biopsy is the best way to diagnose celiac disease. However, if

you do not have celiac, but a gluten sensitivity, there is really no medical

test to determine that. Diet is the only way to diagnose. If you start

eating gluten again and feel sick, get frequent headaches, joint pain, itchy

skin, infections, constipation or diarrhea, or any type of discomfort or

painful symptoms then you probably should consider giving up gluten for

good. There are those who would rather eat what they like no matter how

detrimental it is to their health. If that's the way you feel, there's

really nothing anyone can say to help you. You have to decide for yourself

whether or not it's worth it. For a long time I ate foods I knew where bad

for me, even after going gf. Mostly cheese! Then one night, it was around

4am and I was cramped up and sick in the bathroom yet again, and it dawned

on me that this really isn't worth it! I enjoy maybe 20 minutes of pleasure

for a week of hell! The pain and suffering just isn't worth it to me! My

migraines and sinus infections are gone! My stomach isn't tied up in knots.

You couldn't pay me to eat even 1 bite of wheat, dairy or eggs no matter how

tempting it looks because I know the consequences and it's not worth it!

Maybe it's still worth it to you. Maybe you don't even realize any symptoms!

Maybe it would be good for you to try to eat gluten foods again so you can

document how you feel and make a list of your symptoms. Then it's choice if

it's worth it or not for you to stick to the diet. Whatever you decide, I

wish you luck and happiness! :)

 

2009/10/24 Shannon West <shanwest

 

>

>

> In a nutshell, no. Sorry.

>

> Shannon

>

> ----- Receiving the following content -----

> Pam Norman

> Receiver:

> Time: 2009-10-24, 18:22:25

> Re: Gluten antibody testing

>

>

>

>

> >Is there any other test then by which I can determine whether I am or am

> >not gluten sensitive, period?

> >

> >Sally Parrott Ashbrook wrote:

> >> Unfortunately, no, that is not correct. IgG and IgA are two ways you can

> be

> >> gluten sensitive or allergic, but they don't rule out gluten sensitivity

> or

> >> gluten intolerance as a whole.

> >>

> >> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Pam Norman wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >>> Hi all,

> >>>

> >>> I plan to take the Gluten Antibody IgG & IgA profile testing. Am I

> >>> correct that if I test negative that I am NOT sensitive to gluten? That

>

> >>> therefore gluten is not harmful to me?

> >>>

> >>> I have been working with a GF diet now for about 3 weeks & don't find

> it

> >>> too too difficult since I only have to prepare food for myself. But

> >>> still if it's not necessary to follow this diet for me, I would just as

>

> >>> soon know it & go back on what was essentially the Mediterranean diet.

> >>>

> >>> Thanks,

> >>>

> >>> Pam

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

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> >

> >

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>

>

 

 

 

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Well said Jae.

 

There are those who would rather eat what they like no matter how

detrimental it is to their health. If that's the way you feel, there's

really nothing anyone can say to help you.

.

 

 

 

 

 

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It is not the way I feel & I didn't mean to convey that. I would simply

like to know if there is a way to definitively diagnose gluten

sensitivity. I read the post from the person who has realized an

improvement in just 4 days & I would certainly say that in her case. the

proof is in the pudding! As for me, I've been working with the GF diet

now for about 3 weeks & I cannot honestly say I feel any different that

I did before I began. Except that I have the flu & feel like hell from

that! It is not that I want to feel free to indulge in cakes & pies &

candies & all of that because I never did eat like that. I don't mind

going on a diet that severely restricts what I eat when I know that it

is necessary. When I had Cdiff, I ate a much more restricted diet than

the GF diet for 5 months but I was very was very sick & had no choice.

This time I wasn't sick when I began a new diet. At least I didn't feel

sick. I guess as someone has said, I can go back to the " old ways " & see

how I feel eating gluten again. But this is not a matter of simply

rebelling again not being able to " eat what I like. " I am just one of

those people who'd like the figures laid out in front of me.

 

Pam

 

 

Deborah Pageau wrote:

>

>

> Well said Jae.

>

> There are those who would rather eat what they like no matter how

> detrimental it is to their health. If that's the way you feel, there's

> really nothing anyone can say to help you.

> .

>

>

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Pam, there is a DNA test. Here is a detailed description of the experience.

 

 

http://www.celiac.com/articles/834/1/-Your-DNA-Results-Indicate-Super-Celiac-By-\

Scott-Adams/Page1.html

 

Deborah

 

 

 

It is not the way I feel & I didn't mean to convey that. I would simply

like to know if there is a way to definitively diagnose gluten

sensitivity. I read the post from the person who has realized an

improvement in just 4 days & I would certainly say that in her case. the

proof is in the pudding! As for me, I've been working with the GF diet

now for about 3 weeks & I cannot honestly say I feel any different that

I did before I began. Except that I have the flu & feel like hell from

that! It is not that I want to feel free to indulge in cakes & pies &

candies & all of that because I never did eat like that. I don't mind

going on a diet that severely restricts what I eat when I know that it

is necessary. When I had Cdiff, I ate a much more restricted diet than

the GF diet for 5 months but I was very was very sick & had no choice.

This time I wasn't sick when I began a new diet. At least I didn't feel

sick. I guess as someone has said, I can go back to the " old ways " & see

how I feel eating gluten again. But this is not a matter of simply

rebelling again not being able to " eat what I like. " I am just one of

those people who'd like the figures laid out in front of me.

 

Pam

.

 

 

 

 

 

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How careful are you being about being gluten free? Do you share a toaster or a

tub of margarine or a jar of jam or peanut butter with someone who eats gluten?

Do you use wooden spoons that you used pre-gluten free? All of those things

would interfere with your recovery if you are gluten-intolerant.

 

Shannon

 

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Time: 2009-10-25, 16:23:40

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>It is not the way I feel & I didn't mean to convey that. I would simply

>like to know if there is a way to definitively diagnose gluten

>sensitivity. I read the post from the person who has realized an

>improvement in just 4 days & I would certainly say that in her case. the

>proof is in the pudding! As for me, I've been working with the GF diet

>now for about 3 weeks & I cannot honestly say I feel any different that

>I did before I began. Except that I have the flu & feel like hell from

>that! It is not that I want to feel free to indulge in cakes & pies &

>candies & all of that because I never did eat like that. I don't mind

>going on a diet that severely restricts what I eat when I know that it

>is necessary. When I had Cdiff, I ate a much more restricted diet than

>the GF diet for 5 months but I was very was very sick & had no choice.

>This time I wasn't sick when I began a new diet. At least I didn't feel

>sick. I guess as someone has said, I can go back to the " old ways " & see

>how I feel eating gluten again. But this is not a matter of simply

>rebelling again not being able to " eat what I like. " I am just one of

>those people who'd like the figures laid out in front of me.

>

>Pam

>

>

>Deborah Pageau wrote:

>>

>>

>> Well said Jae.

>>

>> There are those who would rather eat what they like no matter how

>> detrimental it is to their health. If that's the way you feel, there's

>> really nothing anyone can say to help you.

>> .

>>

>>

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The DNA test only tells you if you carry the genes for celiac. The genes

still need to be turned on for you to have celiac disease. To develop

celiac disease you need three things:

 

a) one of the genes

b) a triggering event, such as stress, virus, pregnancy, etc.

c) exposure to gluten

 

There are a lot of test that are available. Gene testing will show you if

you have the genes. If you don`t have the genes, you don`t have celiac,

though you could have non-celiac gluten intolerance, or it`s possible that

there ar eother genes for celiac that they haven`t discovered yet. There is

a blood test to see whether you are producing antibodies to gluten. Or

enough antibodies to be considered celiac. A false negative is possible.

There is a saliva test. There is a fecal test. Any of them can produce

false negatives, if you aren`t eating " enough " gluten. You can get a scope

to see how much damage there is to your intestinal tract. If your celiac

disease isn't far enough advanced yet, you may not have " enough " damage to

be diagnosed celiac.

 

I have an acquaintance whose son was tested for celiac. He had the blood

test and it was positive. He had the scope, and they said there wasn't

enough damage to be considered celiac, so they could continue feeding him

gluten, and he could be checked again in a few years to see if he has

developed celiac! So they are happily feeding him a normal, gluten-free

diet (the one that has put his dad somewhere around 400 lb, unable to walk

without a cane or sleep without a cpap machine) until his intestines have

enough holes in them to be considered celiac.

 

Remember that many celiacs never have " classic " celiac symptoms such as

diarrhea and weight loss. Many are " symptom free " . I would never have

considered myself celiac. I didn't feel much different going off of

gluten. But I did go through a " detox " period when going off of gluten, and

if I had an infraction, I would get really tired, weepy, moody. There have,

over the months, been subtle changes. Changes to my cycle, migraines,

patience level, depression/SAD symptoms, etc. In spite of being gluten-free

for a couple of years, I did still have a couple of " cheats " that I didn't

think made any difference. First, I was eating regular oats. Not certified

gluten-free. And secondly, I was still taking sacrament once a week, one

small bit of wheat bread. Neither was enough to trigger the tired-and-weepy

reaction, so I didn't think they were bothering me. But as the evidence has

mounted that I probably have celiac, rather than some other kind of gluten

intolerance, and some of my health issues were not clearing up, I decided

I'd better go the rest of the way. It has been about a month since I made

that resolution, and I have noticed the last week or so that some of the

other symptoms are subsiding, and I have a new feeling of wellness. But

they are very subtle changes, very small.

 

Some of the possible celiac symptoms that I have experienced in my lifetime

are:

 

Chronic Nosebleeds

 

Anemia

 

Depression/SAD

 

Reactions to antibiotics and medications

 

Other environmental allergies and food intolerances

 

Hyperparathyroid symptoms, including kidney stones and chest pain -

subclinical, not diagnosed

 

Unexplained infertility

 

Peripheral neuropathy

 

Migraines

 

Unexplained abdominal pain - hospitalized once, suspected gallbladder

 

Rashes

 

Constipation, gas

 

Pam

 

 

 

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Deborah Pageau <dpageau wrote:

 

>

>

> Pam, there is a DNA test. Here is a detailed description of the experience.

>

>

>

http://www.celiac.com/articles/834/1/-Your-DNA-Results-Indicate-Super-Celiac-By-\

Scott-Adams/Page1.html

>

> Deborah

>

>

> It is not the way I feel & I didn't mean to convey that. I would simply

> like to know if there is a way to definitively diagnose gluten

> sensitivity. I read the post from the person who has realized an

> improvement in just 4 days & I would certainly say that in her case. the

> proof is in the pudding! As for me, I've been working with the GF diet

> now for about 3 weeks & I cannot honestly say I feel any different that

> I did before I began. Except that I have the flu & feel like hell from

> that! It is not that I want to feel free to indulge in cakes & pies &

> candies & all of that because I never did eat like that. I don't mind

> going on a diet that severely restricts what I eat when I know that it

> is necessary. When I had Cdiff, I ate a much more restricted diet than

> the GF diet for 5 months but I was very was very sick & had no choice.

> This time I wasn't sick when I began a new diet. At least I didn't feel

> sick. I guess as someone has said, I can go back to the " old ways " & see

> how I feel eating gluten again. But this is not a matter of simply

> rebelling again not being able to " eat what I like. " I am just one of

> those people who'd like the figures laid out in front of me.

>

> Pam

> .

>

>

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I was gluten free for years before doctors listened to me and the first scope

was negative for celiac because I had been gf for long enough that my intestines

healed. Then I found Dr. Stanley who really listened to me and sent the biopsy

for extra testing which showed treated celiac. I was gf for 4 years before

confirmed diagnosis. It is possible to diaganosis celiac after being gf for a

long time but you have to find a doctor willing to do the extra testing on the

biopsy.

I had no real choice but to go on the diet as I got to the point in which I

couldn't swallow the food. They tested me for lupus because of the rash and

everything but food issues! They still don't think allergy testing is nessicary

even though I had 3 serious anaphalactic shock eppisodes in the past year! I

can't even get an epipen~it's always ask another doctor! So you can see how

complicated it is to get a straight honest answer from doctors! If it doesn't

require a pill they don't have any straight answers! :(

 

 

pdw <pdworkman

Sunday, October 25, 2009 11:39 PM

 

Re: Gluten antibody testing

 

 

The DNA test only tells you if you carry the genes for celiac. The genes

still need to be turned on for you to have celiac disease. To develop

celiac disease you need three things:

 

a) one of the genes

b) a triggering event, such as stress, virus, pregnancy, etc.

c) exposure to gluten

 

There are a lot of test that are available. Gene testing will show you if

you have the genes. If you don`t have the genes, you don`t have celiac,

though you could have non-celiac gluten intolerance, or it`s possible that

there ar eother genes for celiac that they haven`t discovered yet. There is

a blood test to see whether you are producing antibodies to gluten. Or

enough antibodies to be considered celiac. A false negative is possible.

There is a saliva test. There is a fecal test. Any of them can produce

false negatives, if you aren`t eating " enough " gluten. You can get a scope

to see how much damage there is to your intestinal tract. If your celiac

disease isn't far enough advanced yet, you may not have " enough " damage to

be diagnosed celiac.

 

I have an acquaintance whose son was tested for celiac. He had the blood

test and it was positive. He had the scope, and they said there wasn't

enough damage to be considered celiac, so they could continue feeding him

gluten, and he could be checked again in a few years to see if he has

developed celiac! So they are happily feeding him a normal, gluten-free

diet (the one that has put his dad somewhere around 400 lb, unable to walk

without a cane or sleep without a cpap machine) until his intestines have

enough holes in them to be considered celiac.

 

Remember that many celiacs never have " classic " celiac symptoms such as

diarrhea and weight loss. Many are " symptom free " . I would never have

considered myself celiac. I didn't feel much different going off of

gluten. But I did go through a " detox " period when going off of gluten, and

if I had an infraction, I would get really tired, weepy, moody. There have,

over the months, been subtle changes. Changes to my cycle, migraines,

patience level, depression/SAD symptoms, etc. In spite of being gluten-free

for a couple of years, I did still have a couple of " cheats " that I didn't

think made any difference. First, I was eating regular oats. Not certified

gluten-free. And secondly, I was still taking sacrament once a week, one

small bit of wheat bread. Neither was enough to trigger the tired-and-weepy

reaction, so I didn't think they were bothering me. But as the evidence has

mounted that I probably have celiac, rather than some other kind of gluten

intolerance, and some of my health issues were not clearing up, I decided

I'd better go the rest of the way. It has been about a month since I made

that resolution, and I have noticed the last week or so that some of the

other symptoms are subsiding, and I have a new feeling of wellness. But

they are very subtle changes, very small.

 

Some of the possible celiac symptoms that I have experienced in my lifetime

are:

 

Chronic Nosebleeds

 

Anemia

 

Depression/SAD

 

Reactions to antibiotics and medications

 

Other environmental allergies and food intolerances

 

Hyperparathyroid symptoms, including kidney stones and chest pain -

subclinical, not diagnosed

 

Unexplained infertility

 

Peripheral neuropathy

 

Migraines

 

Unexplained abdominal pain - hospitalized once, suspected gallbladder

 

Rashes

 

Constipation, gas

 

Pam

 

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Deborah Pageau <dpageau wrote:

 

>

>

> Pam, there is a DNA test. Here is a detailed description of the experience.

>

>

>

http://www.celiac.com/articles/834/1/-Your-DNA-Results-Indicate-Super-Celiac-By-\

Scott-Adams/Page1.html

>

> Deborah

>

>

> It is not the way I feel & I didn't mean to convey that. I would simply

> like to know if there is a way to definitively diagnose gluten

> sensitivity. I read the post from the person who has realized an

> improvement in just 4 days & I would certainly say that in her case. the

> proof is in the pudding! As for me, I've been working with the GF diet

> now for about 3 weeks & I cannot honestly say I feel any different that

> I did before I began. Except that I have the flu & feel like hell from

> that! It is not that I want to feel free to indulge in cakes & pies &

> candies & all of that because I never did eat like that. I don't mind

> going on a diet that severely restricts what I eat when I know that it

> is necessary. When I had Cdiff, I ate a much more restricted diet than

> the GF diet for 5 months but I was very was very sick & had no choice.

> This time I wasn't sick when I began a new diet. At least I didn't feel

> sick. I guess as someone has said, I can go back to the " old ways " & see

> how I feel eating gluten again. But this is not a matter of simply

> rebelling again not being able to " eat what I like. " I am just one of

> those people who'd like the figures laid out in front of me.

>

> Pam

> .

>

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Shannon,

 

I live alone so no problem there.

 

As to my " recovery " , I wasn't really sick before that I know of. I have

some problems - anxiety a big one - & osteopenia bordering on

osteoporosis, but I didn't FEEL sick. And yes, I do know that anxiety &

osteoporosis can be connected to gluten. This whole experiment with

gluten free is the idea of a holistic adviser who recommended I do this

to improve my health.

 

Shannon West wrote:

>

> How careful are you being about being gluten free? Do you share a

> toaster or a tub of margarine or a jar of jam or peanut butter with

> someone who eats gluten? Do you use wooden spoons that you used

> pre-gluten free? All of those things would interfere with your

> recovery if you are gluten-intolerant.

>

> Shannon

>

> ----- Receiving the following content -----

> Pam Norman

> Receiver: Vegan-and-Gluten- Free

> Time: 2009-10-25, 16:23:40

> Re: [Vegan-and-Gluten- Free] Gluten antibody testing

>

>

>

>

> >It is not the way I feel & I didn't mean to convey that. I would simply

> >like to know if there is a way to definitively diagnose gluten

> >sensitivity. I read the post from the person who has realized an

> >improvement in just 4 days & I would certainly say that in her case. the

> >proof is in the pudding! As for me, I've been working with the GF diet

> >now for about 3 weeks & I cannot honestly say I feel any different that

> >I did before I began. Except that I have the flu & feel like hell from

> >that! It is not that I want to feel free to indulge in cakes & pies &

> >candies & all of that because I never did eat like that. I don't mind

> >going on a diet that severely restricts what I eat when I know that it

> >is necessary. When I had Cdiff, I ate a much more restricted diet than

> >the GF diet for 5 months but I was very was very sick & had no choice.

> >This time I wasn't sick when I began a new diet. At least I didn't feel

> >sick. I guess as someone has said, I can go back to the " old ways " & see

> >how I feel eating gluten again. But this is not a matter of simply

> >rebelling again not being able to " eat what I like. " I am just one of

> >those people who'd like the figures laid out in front of me.

> >

> >Pam

> >

> >

> >Deborah Pageau wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> Well said Jae.

> >>

> >> There are those who would rather eat what they like no matter how

> >> detrimental it is to their health. If that's the way you feel, there's

> >> really nothing anyone can say to help you.

> >> .

> >>

> >>

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This is my question too. I dont see any point in being tested for celiac. I

dont see any point in being tested to see if I have the genes. I believe I am

gluten intolerant, not celiac. From what I have read there is a definete

difference. Or am I wrong on that?

 

 

Kandi

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It's all just pieces from the same puzzle.

 

It all boils down to the same thing: if a person is gluten intolerant, we assume

you have the gene for gluten intolerance. Celiac is just one of the many

possible symptoms. Bottom line is the same: the need to avoid eating gluten.

 

Deborah

 

 

This is my question too. I dont see any point in being tested for celiac. I

dont see any point in being tested to see if I have the genes. I believe I am

gluten intolerant, not celiac. From what I have read there is a definete

difference. Or am I wrong on that?

 

Kandi

.

 

 

 

 

 

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I had A gene for gluten intolerance but not THE most typical genes for

celiac disease.

 

Personally, I consider celiac to be a subgroup within the general area of

gluten intolerance. People with typical celiac have certain genes, have

certain body clues, have definitive diagnosis tools that many doctors

believe in, etc. Those of us with a broader definition of gluten

intolerance may have more difficulty having a doctor recognize it if we

don't fit typical celiac.

 

Sally

 

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Deborah Pageau <dpageau wrote:

 

>

>

> It's all just pieces from the same puzzle.

>

> It all boils down to the same thing: if a person is gluten intolerant, we

> assume you have the gene for gluten intolerance. Celiac is just one of the

> many possible symptoms. Bottom line is the same: the need to avoid eating

> gluten.

>

> Deborah

>

> This is my question too. I dont see any point in being tested for celiac. I

> dont see any point in being tested to see if I have the genes. I believe I

> am gluten intolerant, not celiac. From what I have read there is a definete

> difference. Or am I wrong on that?

>

> Kandi

> .

>

>

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I assumed from the start that I was gluten intolerant but not actually

celiac. But as I have learned more and more about celiac and some of the

symptoms that I didn't previously know about, and as my dad has gone gluten

free and we have started to sort out our personal and family history of

symtomology, I have come to the conclusion that I am probably celiac. What

difference has that made to me? I have been far more careful about things

like only using certified gluten free oats, being more careful of

cross-contamination, etc. And I believe that it has made a further

improvement in my health to be more strict about these things.

 

Pam

 

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 12:48 PM, iowa_classic <iowa_classicwrote:

 

>

>

> This is my question too. I dont see any point in being tested for celiac. I

> dont see any point in being tested to see if I have the genes. I believe I

> am gluten intolerant, not celiac. From what I have read there is a definete

> difference. Or am I wrong on that?

>

> Kandi

>

>

>

 

 

 

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I agree. Although eating a low-gluten diet definitely helped, making the effort

to eat 100% gluten free helped me achieve improvement beyond my expectations.

:-)

 

Deborah

 

 

I assumed from the start that I was gluten intolerant but not actually

celiac. But as I have learned more and more about celiac and some of the

symptoms that I didn't previously know about, and as my dad has gone gluten

free and we have started to sort out our personal and family history of

symtomology, I have come to the conclusion that I am probably celiac. What

difference has that made to me? I have been far more careful about things

like only using certified gluten free oats, being more careful of

cross-contamination, etc. And I believe that it has made a further

improvement in my health to be more strict about these things.

 

Pam

 

.

 

 

 

 

 

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Ok, so there is a gene for gluten intolerance? I was told there was not, that

testing would only show celiac, but not neccesarally if you were gluten

intolerant.

 

I am trying to do the gluten intolerant diet, so it isnt a question of what I

should eat or not eat. I didnt think that gluten intolerance would show up in a

test so I have never had it done.

 

 

Kandi

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You can find more info about genes that indicate a likelihood of gluten

intolerance at www.enterolab.com.

 

Sally

 

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:31 PM, iowa_classic <iowa_classicwrote:

 

>

>

>

> Ok, so there is a gene for gluten intolerance? I was told there was not,

> that testing would only show celiac, but not neccesarally if you were gluten

> intolerant.

>

> I am trying to do the gluten intolerant diet, so it isnt a question of what

> I should eat or not eat. I didnt think that gluten intolerance would show up

> in a test so I have never had it done.

>

> Kandi

>

>

>

 

 

 

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aspirins, lie down in a dark room, and wait for the feeling to pass. If it

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https://www.enterolab.com/StaticPages/Frame_Faq.htm

 

 

 

Ok, so there is a gene for gluten intolerance? I was told there was not, that

testing would only show celiac, but not neccesarally if you were gluten

intolerant.

 

I am trying to do the gluten intolerant diet, so it isnt a question of what I

should eat or not eat. I didnt think that gluten intolerance would show up in a

test so I have never had it done.

 

Kandi

.

 

 

 

 

 

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