Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 In a message dated 1/26/05 11:01:48 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, writes: Message: 1 Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:16:19 -0000 "Peter" <metalscarabRe: Anyone else avoid wheat and sugar here?Hi Kristina> I was curious...are any of you on a diet where you try to avoid wheat and sugar as well as being vegan?> Anyone else try to avoid wheat?It depends on what you mean by "wheat" - if you just mean the regular stuff in bread, then it's easy to find alternatives (such as spelt wheat). If you mean all gluten based products, then I should imagine that would be quite a bit harder!BB I mean wheat, not gluten products. Like bread. I eat plenty of non-wheat products such as rye bread and kamut (even though they may have gluten). I was just wondering...because I find it harder to avoid wheat and sugar than avoid dairy and meat. Much more challenging. I was just wondering if anyone else had the same issue. Kristina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 try avoiding soy or corn products as well while i'm not religious about it, i try to avoid soy or corn products that aren't organic... say goodbye to almost any snack food. have a friend who is gluten intolerant(celiac)..she gets nasty sores if she eats wheat.. nasty fraggle I mean wheat, not gluten products. Like bread. I eat plenty of non-wheat products such as rye bread and kamut (even though they may have gluten). I was just wondering...because I find it harder to avoid wheat and sugar than avoid dairy and meat. Much more challenging. I was just wondering if anyone else had the same issue. Kristina To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Hi Kristina, as with many things wheat is said to be causing allergies in many people etc... anyway one thing that came to light some time ago was that consumption of milk and animal protein causes the body to react to some plants or more specific to the chemicals that may be in the particular plant once you have stopped consuming milk, eggs and all animal protein you may find you are no longer allergic to these plants if I recall you are a fairly new Vegan the body takes awhile to go through all the changes. most noticeable is taste and smell but... if your taste and smell have changed then maybe some of the internal immune responses have changed as well. saying all that I am no doctor just a vegan who has experienced this, I use to break out in hives when I ate strawberries now I can eat bowls of them (and I do) with no problems at all. I have avoided white sugar as much as I can before I was vegan. because when I had it I would feel really bad shakes etc.. I still avoid white sugar but my reaction is about 10% of what it use to be. anyway this is only my observation all the best hope this helps Craig Re:Wheat In a message dated 1/26/05 11:01:48 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, writes: Message: 1 Wed, 26 Jan 2005 18:16:19 -0000 "Peter" <metalscarabRe: Anyone else avoid wheat and sugar here?Hi Kristina> I was curious...are any of you on a diet where you try to avoid wheat and sugar as well as being vegan?> Anyone else try to avoid wheat?It depends on what you mean by "wheat" - if you just mean the regular stuff in bread, then it's easy to find alternatives (such as spelt wheat). If you mean all gluten based products, then I should imagine that would be quite a bit harder!BB I mean wheat, not gluten products. Like bread. I eat plenty of non-wheat products such as rye bread and kamut (even though they may have gluten). I was just wondering...because I find it harder to avoid wheat and sugar than avoid dairy and meat. Much more challenging. I was just wondering if anyone else had the same issue. Kristina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 In a message dated 1/27/05 11:29:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, writes: try avoiding soy or corn products as well while i'm not religious about it, i try to avoid soy or corn products that aren't organic... say goodbye to almost any snack food. have a friend who is gluten intolerant(celiac)..she gets nasty sores if she eats wheat.. nasty fraggle Oh dear....I feel for your friend. That must be hard. Thankfully that doesn't happen to me...I just feel somewhat fatigued and weaker after I eat weak. And if I eat enough of it I'll feel really bad. Seems to be an epidemic. Kristina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 At least in the UK we have ample sources of non GM soya. Jo - fraggle Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:24 PM Re: Re:Wheat try avoiding soy or corn products as well while i'm not religious about it, i try to avoid soy or corn products that aren't organic... say goodbye to almost any snack food. have a friend who is gluten intolerant(celiac)..she gets nasty sores if she eats wheat.. nasty fraggle I mean wheat, not gluten products. Like bread. I eat plenty of non-wheat products such as rye bread and kamut (even though they may have gluten). I was just wondering...because I find it harder to avoid wheat and sugar than avoid dairy and meat. Much more challenging. I was just wondering if anyone else had the same issue. Kristina To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 yer lucky hope it holds out... here, i even suspect organic corn... genetic drift and all... i can't wait til they stop pumping out the pharm crops.. mmm..viagra in my wheaties Jo Cwazy Jan 27, 2005 10:03 AM Re: Re:Wheat At least in the UK we have ample sources of non GM soya. Jo - fraggle Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:24 PM Re: Re:Wheat try avoiding soy or corn products as well while i'm not religious about it, i try to avoid soy or corn products that aren't organic... say goodbye to almost any snack food. have a friend who is gluten intolerant(celiac)..she gets nasty sores if she eats wheat.. nasty fraggle I mean wheat, not gluten products. Like bread. I eat plenty of non-wheat products such as rye bread and kamut (even though they may have gluten). I was just wondering...because I find it harder to avoid wheat and sugar than avoid dairy and meat. Much more challenging. I was just wondering if anyone else had the same issue. Kristina To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 Thanks Craig for your thoughts...but I am certain this is not it. I started a vegan diet...oh it's been at least 10 years now. I'd say about 12 years more like it. For many years I was a very strict vegan yet still having issues with wheat. I actually feel it has to do with another issue...one that is tied up with sugar consumption as well. Kristina In a message dated 1/27/05 10:26:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, writes: Hi Kristina, as with many things wheat is said to be causing allergies in many peopleetc...anyway one thing that came to light some time ago was that consumption ofmilk and animal proteincauses the body to react to some plants or more specific to the chemicalsthat may be in the particular plantonce you have stopped consuming milk, eggs and all animal protein you mayfind you are no longer allergic to these plantsif I recall you are a fairly new Vegan the body takes awhile to go throughall the changes.most noticeable is taste and smell but... if your taste and smell havechanged then maybe some of the internal immune responseshave changed as well. saying all that I am no doctor just a vegan who has experienced this, Iuse to break out in hives when I ate strawberriesnow I can eat bowls of them (and I do) with no problems at all. I have avoided white sugar as much as I can before I was vegan.because when I had it I would feel really bad shakes etc..I still avoid white sugar but my reaction is about 10% of what it use to be.anyway this is only my observationall the best hope this helpsCraig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2005 Report Share Posted January 27, 2005 well..there you go.. stop eating weak *rofl* sorry..these days i need any chance to giggle i knew wot you meant Oh dear....I feel for your friend. That must be hard. Thankfully that doesn't happen to me...I just feel somewhat fatigued and weaker after I eat weak. And if I eat enough of it I'll feel really bad. Seems to be an epidemic. Kristina To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Hi Kristina > I mean wheat, not gluten products. Like bread. I eat plenty of non-wheat products such as rye bread and kamut (even though > they may have gluten). > I was just wondering...because I find it harder to avoid wheat and sugar than avoid dairy and meat. Much more challenging. I was > just wondering if anyone else had the same issue. In that case - I went for about 6 to 12 months avoiding wheat (I was trying to see if I had an allergy / intolerance, but didn't seem to have) - the only problem was that the spelt alternatives were a little more expensive. I've not given a lot of thought to sugar. I don't have a lot of sugar - I don't add any of the grainy version to anything I eat (except the occassional cake), but I don't spend too much time checking packets to see if it's there or not. I would imagine that it would be hard to avoid sugar completely. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 Are you allergic to wheat, Kristina? If not, do you mind saying why you're avoiding it? serene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 sorry Kristina, I must have mistaken you for someone who said they were a new Vegan, anyway the sugar issue with wheat is kinda what I was talking about.... 'the chemical reaction within a changing body between different food types & or changing diet the build up can be over many years or immediate (maybe slightly paraphrased) anyway in my surfing or browsing I will try to find where I read that all the best Craig Re:wheat Thanks Craig for your thoughts...but I am certain this is not it. I started a vegan diet...oh it's been at least 10 years now. I'd say about 12 years more like it. For many years I was a very strict vegan yet still having issues with wheat. I actually feel it has to do with another issue...one that is tied up with sugar consumption as well. Kristina In a message dated 1/27/05 10:26:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, writes: Hi Kristina, as with many things wheat is said to be causing allergies in many peopleetc...anyway one thing that came to light some time ago was that consumption ofmilk and animal proteincauses the body to react to some plants or more specific to the chemicalsthat may be in the particular plantonce you have stopped consuming milk, eggs and all animal protein you mayfind you are no longer allergic to these plantsif I recall you are a fairly new Vegan the body takes awhile to go throughall the changes.most noticeable is taste and smell but... if your taste and smell havechanged then maybe some of the internal immune responseshave changed as well. saying all that I am no doctor just a vegan who has experienced this, Iuse to break out in hives when I ate strawberriesnow I can eat bowls of them (and I do) with no problems at all. I have avoided white sugar as much as I can before I was vegan.because when I had it I would feel really bad shakes etc..I still avoid white sugar but my reaction is about 10% of what it use to be.anyway this is only my observationall the best hope this helpsCraig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2005 Report Share Posted January 28, 2005 It's OK...you are just trying to help. Actually I know what the problem is...my problem is sticking with the program to get totally well. I have actually gotten about 90% well...it's that stubborn 10% that is so hard. Thanks! Kristina In a message dated 1/28/05 10:42:31 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, writes: Message: 5 Fri, 28 Jan 2005 19:29:05 +0800 "Craig Dearth" <cd39RE: Re:wheatsorry Kristina,I must have mistaken you for someone who said they were a new Vegan,anyway the sugar issue with wheat is kinda what I was talking about....'the chemical reaction within a changing body between different food types & or changing dietthe build up can be over many years or immediate(maybe slightly paraphrased) anyway in my surfing or browsing I will try to find where I read thatall the bestCraigRe:wheatThanks Craig for your thoughts...but I am certain this is not it.I started a vegan diet...oh it's been at least 10 years now. I'd say about12 years more like it. For many years I was a very strict vegan yet stillhaving issues with wheat.I actually feel it has to do with another issue...one that is tied up withsugar consumption as well.Kristina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Hi all, I'd just like to share something, This year I quit my job to focus on better management of various health problems - One of the problems, I have had terrible bloating and reflux from wheat for about 10 years, so severe I am on a waiting list to have part of my stomach rebuilt. HOWEVER the doctor told me I needed to lose 15kg (33lbs) for the surgery. I have lost 10 (22lbs) now and still going. I don't want the surgery but I do want to be better. To achieve this I went sugar and chocolate free. When I went sugar and chocolate free my stomach has begun to heal, for real. Like, for real for real. I now use about 30% of the medication I used to use to protect my stomach and esophagus and I notice I can tolerate wheat foods MUCH better. At one stage before any food that I ate would cause huge and gross distention of my abdomen. Now I can eat a couple of bits of wheat toast and... NO reaction. None. My whole body has changed shape and I have regained a feminine looking stomach, rather than the 6 month pregnant look which actually led to many people asking if I was pregnant. I just wanted to share this because after over a decade of stomach problems (without the stress of work and without the sugar and chocolate) I am finally finding my stomach is HEALING It's not the loss of fat that is different it's the pain and extreme bloating and terrible reflux that has gone away. You know the difference. I know it's actually really healing because my tolerance for all foods I couldn't handle before including about 20 foods has improved and I can now have a bit of this or that from time to time. This may help you if your problems are irritable bowel related, my suggestion try avoiding all sugar, just use agave or nothing, look at ALL sources of stress and try to remove them and avoid chocolate like the plague. It has been about 4 months now and my whole life is different! Cheers, Jess (New Zealand) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Hi Jess, Thanks so much for sharing this! My situation hasn't been as severe as yours seems to have been, but I've also recently made big changes in my diet for the sake of my health and have been enjoying great results. Specifically, I've cut out any animal or wheat products and all refined sugar. I was surprised to read that you recommend avoiding chocolate. I was thinking that the chocolate itself is healthful, but that it was the milk and refined sugar and other additives that made it a no-no. Since I went vegan, I've been experimenting with making some vegan chocolate creations with nuts and agave nectar and I have been feeling better, but would it make me even better to lose the chocolate or eat it scarcely? I really want to know what you all think. Thanks in advance, Michael vegan_taste_test Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:05:15 +0000 Wheat Hi all, I'd just like to share something, This year I quit my job to focus on better management of various health problems - One of the problems, I have had terrible bloating and reflux from wheat for about 10 years, so severe I am on a waiting list to have part of my stomach rebuilt. HOWEVER the doctor told me I needed to lose 15kg (33lbs) for the surgery. I have lost 10 (22lbs) now and still going. I don't want the surgery but I do want to be better. To achieve this I went sugar and chocolate free. When I went sugar and chocolate free my stomach has begun to heal, for real. Like, for real for real. I now use about 30% of the medication I used to use to protect my stomach and esophagus and I notice I can tolerate wheat foods MUCH better. At one stage before any food that I ate would cause huge and gross distention of my abdomen. Now I can eat a couple of bits of wheat toast and... NO reaction. None. My whole body has changed shape and I have regained a feminine looking stomach, rather than the 6 month pregnant look which actually led to many people asking if I was pregnant. I just wanted to share this because after over a decade of stomach problems (without the stress of work and without the sugar and chocolate) I am finally finding my stomach is HEALING It's not the loss of fat that is different it's the pain and extreme bloating and terrible reflux that has gone away. You know the difference. I know it's actually really healing because my tolerance for all foods I couldn't handle before including about 20 foods has improved and I can now have a bit of this or that from time to time. This may help you if your problems are irritable bowel related, my suggestion try avoiding all sugar, just use agave or nothing, look at ALL sources of stress and try to remove them and avoid chocolate like the plague. It has been about 4 months now and my whole life is different! Cheers, Jess (New Zealand) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Congratulations Jesse! Nurturing health with an appropriate diet is so much better than surgery whenever possible! Deborah Hi all, I'd just like to share something, This year I quit my job to focus on better management of various health problems - One of the problems, I have had terrible bloating and reflux from wheat for about 10 years, so severe I am on a waiting list to have part of my stomach rebuilt. HOWEVER the doctor told me I needed to lose 15kg (33lbs) for the surgery. I have lost 10 (22lbs) now and still going. I don't want the surgery but I do want to be better. To achieve this I went sugar and chocolate free. When I went sugar and chocolate free my stomach has begun to heal, for real. Like, for real for real. I now use about 30% of the medication I used to use to protect my stomach and esophagus and I notice I can tolerate wheat foods MUCH better. At one stage before any food that I ate would cause huge and gross distention of my abdomen. Now I can eat a couple of bits of wheat toast and... NO reaction. None. My whole body has changed shape and I have regained a feminine looking stomach, rather than the 6 month pregnant look which actually led to many people asking if I was pregnant. I just wanted to share this because after over a decade of stomach problems (without the stress of work and without the sugar and chocolate) I am finally finding my stomach is HEALING It's not the loss of fat that is different it's the pain and extreme bloating and terrible reflux that has gone away. You know the difference. I know it's actually really healing because my tolerance for all foods I couldn't handle before including about 20 foods has improved and I can now have a bit of this or that from time to time. This may help you if your problems are irritable bowel related, my suggestion try avoiding all sugar, just use agave or nothing, look at ALL sources of stress and try to remove them and avoid chocolate like the plague. It has been about 4 months now and my whole life is different! Cheers, Jess (New Zealand) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Chocolate is quite bad for people with tummy ailments - There are some health benefits in moderation but only in moderation and only for people who are healthy The chocolate causes you to make chemicals (dopamine, I think is the one) which cause your stomach " sphincter " (nice word but accurate) to relax causing reflux to be worse The caffeine in chocolate will also affect bowel regularity If you're into chocolate I'd say it should be a once a week or once a fortnight treat I didn't realise but so much chocolate (I was addicted) was part of the reason my tummy was so damaged Most chocolates have a high level of fat which is also bad for sensitive tummies and causes reflux.... the fat causes reflux and the chocolate causes the sphincter to relax meaning it's a double whammy (not to mention the sugar) Also if you have any sleeping or pituitary problems chocolate is bad for the pituitary interrupting your brain's natural sleep cycle, just like other caff. foods Chocolate can also cause migraines and is very addictive for a percentage of the population Plus whatever goes up must come down so if you use it to boost your mood and fight depression you can return to a worse mood than before And it's bad for people with thyroid problems You could probably get the same antioxidant properties from other fresh foods that don't have the negative consequences also Don't get me wrong, I loooooooooove the stuff but it's not good for everybody unfortunately and caused me many health problems Essentially you're the only one who can say if it causes problems for you! If you have tummy problems I'd suggest looking at it/considering it anyway, as it doesn't hurt to go without for a couple of weeks and see if you improve I notice that if I eat chocolate I am so addicted the next day I get a migraine if I don't eat it again... it's so, so addictive to me... I don't have anything like that with booze or anything else! Hope that helps, I know the chocolate lovers will probably hate my post. For most of us chocolate is the one and only remaining treat food we have! Sucked to have to give it up as well! --- On Wed, 25/11/09, Michael Giles <michaelgiles wrote: Michael Giles <michaelgiles RE: Wheat Wednesday, 25 November, 2009, 15:05  Hi Jess, Thanks so much for sharing this! My situation hasn't been as severe as yours seems to have been, but I've also recently made big changes in my diet for the sake of my health and have been enjoying great results. Specifically, I've cut out any animal or wheat products and all refined sugar. I was surprised to read that you recommend avoiding chocolate. I was thinking that the chocolate itself is healthful, but that it was the milk and refined sugar and other additives that made it a no-no. Since I went vegan, I've been experimenting with making some vegan chocolate creations with nuts and agave nectar and I have been feeling better, but would it make me even better to lose the chocolate or eat it scarcely? I really want to know what you all think. Thanks in advance, Michael Vegan-and-Gluten- Free@ .com vegan_taste_ test (AT) (DOT) co.uk Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:05:15 +0000 [Vegan-and-Gluten- Free] Wheat Hi all, I'd just like to share something, This year I quit my job to focus on better management of various health problems - One of the problems, I have had terrible bloating and reflux from wheat for about 10 years, so severe I am on a waiting list to have part of my stomach rebuilt. HOWEVER the doctor told me I needed to lose 15kg (33lbs) for the surgery. I have lost 10 (22lbs) now and still going. I don't want the surgery but I do want to be better. To achieve this I went sugar and chocolate free. When I went sugar and chocolate free my stomach has begun to heal, for real. Like, for real for real. I now use about 30% of the medication I used to use to protect my stomach and esophagus and I notice I can tolerate wheat foods MUCH better. At one stage before any food that I ate would cause huge and gross distention of my abdomen. Now I can eat a couple of bits of wheat toast and... NO reaction. None. My whole body has changed shape and I have regained a feminine looking stomach, rather than the 6 month pregnant look which actually led to many people asking if I was pregnant. I just wanted to share this because after over a decade of stomach problems (without the stress of work and without the sugar and chocolate) I am finally finding my stomach is HEALING It's not the loss of fat that is different it's the pain and extreme bloating and terrible reflux that has gone away. You know the difference. I know it's actually really healing because my tolerance for all foods I couldn't handle before including about 20 foods has improved and I can now have a bit of this or that from time to time. This may help you if your problems are irritable bowel related, my suggestion try avoiding all sugar, just use agave or nothing, look at ALL sources of stress and try to remove them and avoid chocolate like the plague. It has been about 4 months now and my whole life is different! Cheers, Jess (New Zealand) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2009 Report Share Posted November 25, 2009 Chocolate can also cause migraines and is very addictive for a percentage of the population*** Choc is very addictive for me. I quit eating choc 9 months ago on Feb 16, 2009. It was terrible when I went through withdrawal symptoms, etc. I was in a terrible mood for days. I still have cravings sometimes. Sometimes I will have carob but not often. maryruth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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