A Vegan Mom and A Gluten-Free Mom Discuss What To Make For Dinner

[Guest guest]

I was sitting in the waiting room of my doctor’s office with my three year

old in tow, when the woman sitting next to me turned and asked me a strange

question:

 

“What do you make for dinner?”

Read more:

http://www.jensglutenfreeblog.com/hot-topics/nothing-to-make-for-dinner/

--

Jennifer Ungar

www.jensglutenfreeblog.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

TO Jennifer Ungar 

 

I can only hope that you set this woman who wrote in straight regarding the

healthy nature of a vegan diet even if it also must be gluten free. I would be

tempted to state to her:

 

With the recipes that are out there for celiac vegans, there is plenty for this

woman to fix for her entire family that will up the calcium for all of them. You

are terribly mis informed when you state that a vegan is imposing his implied '

calcium and iron deficient' lifestyle on his daughter. It is well documented

that eating plant foods provides the cleanest and most efficient way for our

bodies to take up calcium and that animal products are NOT the best sources for

dairy. After all, a cow eats grass foods in order to provide the calcium that

dairy

supposedly contains ( along with alot of undesirable bacteria and such).

 

I can only wish it was the woman with the husband and child that came to our

blog for help. We could have provided her with numerous sources for taking care

of her vegan and celiac family. She could create dishes that would keep her

vegan husband and her child healthy and help her in the process become a loving

and informed parent and wife.

 

God help her because it is obvious that she has not been provided nor has she

sought out on her own the help to take care of her child before she becomes very

very sick. Celiac disease is not a cold or the flu. The child's intestines can

be damaged to where she cannot take up nutrients at all, which sounds exactly

where she is.

 

I wonder how healthy her vegan husband is and what he is actually eating - As a

family they should attend workshops and check out all the online resources

available.

 

I read the comments and thank goodness that several of our members also took up

the cause for a vegan healthy gluten free diet.

 

Patricia Squyres

 

Marion Nestle's cardinal rules for eating better:

Never buy anything with a health claim.

Never buy anything with a cartoon on its face

Never buy anything with more than 5 ingredients.

 

--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree wrote:

 

Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree

A Vegan Mom and A Gluten-Free Mom Discuss What

To Make For Dinner

 

Sunday,

December 13, 2009, 11:47 PM

 

I  was sitting in the waiting room of my doctor’s office with my three year

old in tow, when the woman sitting next to me turned and asked me a strange

question:

 

“What do you make for dinner?â€

Read more:

http://www.jensglutenfreeblog.com/hot-topics/nothing-to-make-for-dinner/

--

Jennifer Ungar

www.jensglutenfreeblog.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Wow, blame the vegan theory employed yet again. Interesting, but not

necessarily right. While it is true that you can eat a very unhealthy vegan

diet, one devoid of nutritional value, it is equally correct that the standard

American diet can be sadly lacking too.

 

Celiacs can make you very ill with your bodies inability to absorb the

nutrients. Leaky gut can bring on new autoimmune diseases and exacerbate your

existing ones.

 

There is no coincidence that an elimination diet employed by doctors to heal you

is mostly vegan.

 

So what to do? Well I'm a vegan, and a celiac and I also don't eat soy, tree

nuts and am nightshade free. Try that on for size.

 

For the first week it felt very limiting, but as I have collected more and more

recipes that are fast, nutritious and delicious, it became easy. I am lucky

though because I have been vegan for a long time and so didn't have to unhinge

my mind from a lifetime of thinking one way and one way alone.

 

But even for meat eaters, it isn't that hard, nothing and no one has to die for

any of the meals that are GF, NSF, TNF, SF and vegan. And no I'm not broke

buying stuff or relegated to salads and raw fruits. So what is the big deal?

Research is key. Research and you will find there are more options out there

than you can imagine

 

--- On Mon, 12/14/09, Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree wrote:

 

> Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree

> A Vegan Mom and A Gluten-Free Mom Discuss

What To Make For Dinner

>

> Monday, December 14, 2009, 12:47 AM

> I  was sitting in the waiting

> room of my doctor’s office with my three year

> old in tow, when the woman sitting next to me turned and

> asked me a strange

> question:

>

> “What do you make for dinner?â€

> Read more:

> http://www.jensglutenfreeblog.com/hot-topics/nothing-to-make-for-dinner/

> --

> Jennifer Ungar

> www.jensglutenfreeblog.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's funny that you mention not being broke because so many meat eaters I know

claim they can't afford to eat a vegan diet. Yet, they think nothing of paying

$5-7 for one meal at mcdonalds, meanwhile I can easily feed at least 6 people on

the same amount of money. I say I can't afford to not eat vegan! Their lunch

budget for 1 day feeds me for a week! LOL

 

 

DragonFly Simon <dragonfly777_68

Monday, December 14, 2009 7:31 PM

 

Re: A Vegan Mom and A Gluten-Free Mom Discuss

What To Make For Dinner

 

 

Wow, blame the vegan theory employed yet again. Interesting, but not necessarily

right. While it is true that you can eat a very unhealthy vegan diet, one devoid

of nutritional value, it is equally correct that the standard American diet can

be sadly lacking too.

 

Celiacs can make you very ill with your bodies inability to absorb the

nutrients. Leaky gut can bring on new autoimmune diseases and exacerbate your

existing ones.

 

There is no coincidence that an elimination diet employed by doctors to heal

you is mostly vegan.

 

So what to do? Well I'm a vegan, and a celiac and I also don't eat soy, tree

nuts and am nightshade free. Try that on for size.

 

For the first week it felt very limiting, but as I have collected more and more

recipes that are fast, nutritious and delicious, it became easy. I am lucky

though because I have been vegan for a long time and so didn't have to unhinge

my mind from a lifetime of thinking one way and one way alone.

 

But even for meat eaters, it isn't that hard, nothing and no one has to die for

any of the meals that are GF, NSF, TNF, SF and vegan. And no I'm not broke

buying stuff or relegated to salads and raw fruits. So what is the big deal?

Research is key. Research and you will find there are more options out there

than you can imagine

 

--- On Mon, 12/14/09, Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree wrote:

 

> Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree

> A Vegan Mom and A Gluten-Free Mom Discuss

What To Make For Dinner

>

> Monday, December 14, 2009, 12:47 AM

> I  was sitting in the waiting

> room of my doctor’s office with my three year

> old in tow, when the woman sitting next to me turned and

> asked me a strange

> question:

>

> “What do you make for dinner?â€

> Read more:

> http://www.jensglutenfreeblog.com/hot-topics/nothing-to-make-for-dinner/

> --

> Jennifer Ungar

> www.jensglutenfreeblog.com

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, we always laugh at those hamburger helper commercials that talk about

feeding a family of four a meal for under $10. All of our meals are under

$10!

 

Pam

 

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Jae <recyclednew wrote:

 

>

>

> It's funny that you mention not being broke because so many meat eaters I

> know claim they can't afford to eat a vegan diet. Yet, they think nothing of

> paying $5-7 for one meal at mcdonalds, meanwhile I can easily feed at least

> 6 people on the same amount of money. I say I can't afford to not eat vegan!

> Their lunch budget for 1 day feeds me for a week! LOL

>

>

>

> DragonFly Simon <dragonfly777_68<dragonfly777_68%40>

> >

> Monday, December 14, 2009 7:31 PM

> To:

<%40>

> Re: A Vegan Mom and A Gluten-Free Mom

> Discuss What To Make For Dinner

>

> Wow, blame the vegan theory employed yet again. Interesting, but not

> necessarily right. While it is true that you can eat a very unhealthy vegan

> diet, one devoid of nutritional value, it is equally correct that the

> standard American diet can be sadly lacking too.

>

> Celiacs can make you very ill with your bodies inability to absorb the

> nutrients. Leaky gut can bring on new autoimmune diseases and exacerbate

> your existing ones.

>

> There is no coincidence that an elimination diet employed by doctors to

> heal you is mostly vegan.

>

> So what to do? Well I'm a vegan, and a celiac and I also don't eat soy,

> tree nuts and am nightshade free. Try that on for size.

>

> For the first week it felt very limiting, but as I have collected more and

> more recipes that are fast, nutritious and delicious, it became easy. I am

> lucky though because I have been vegan for a long time and so didn't have to

> unhinge my mind from a lifetime of thinking one way and one way alone.

>

> But even for meat eaters, it isn't that hard, nothing and no one has to die

> for any of the meals that are GF, NSF, TNF, SF and vegan. And no I'm not

> broke buying stuff or relegated to salads and raw fruits. So what is the big

> deal? Research is key. Research and you will find there are more options out

> there than you can imagine

>

> --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Jennifer Ungar

<jensglutenfree<jensglutenfree%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

>

> > Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree<jensglutenfree%40gmail.com>

> >

> > A Vegan Mom and A Gluten-Free Mom

> Discuss What To Make For Dinner

> > To:

<%40>

> > Monday, December 14, 2009, 12:47 AM

> > I was sitting in the waiting

> > room of my doctor’s office with my three year

> > old in tow, when the woman sitting next to me turned and

> > asked me a strange

> > question:

> >

> > “What do you make for dinner?”

> > Read more:

> > http://www.jensglutenfreeblog.com/hot-topics/nothing-to-make-for-dinner/

> > --

> > Jennifer Ungar

> > www.jensglutenfreeblog.com

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Wow, really? What are some of your typical meals? Our vegetables alone

(always organic) at meals are usually over $10 by themselves.

 

Sally

 

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:37 AM, pdw <pdworkman wrote:

 

> Yeah, we always laugh at those hamburger helper commercials that talk about

> feeding a family of four a meal for under $10. All of our meals are under

> $10!

>

> Pam

>

> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Jae <recyclednew wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > It's funny that you mention not being broke because so many meat eaters I

> > know claim they can't afford to eat a vegan diet. Yet, they think nothing

> of

> > paying $5-7 for one meal at mcdonalds, meanwhile I can easily feed at

> least

> > 6 people on the same amount of money. I say I can't afford to not eat

> vegan!

> > Their lunch budget for 1 day feeds me for a week! LOL

> >

> >

> >

> > DragonFly Simon <dragonfly777_68<dragonfly777_68%

> 40>

> > >

> > Monday, December 14, 2009 7:31 PM

> > <%

> 40>

> > Re: A Vegan Mom and A Gluten-Free Mom

> > Discuss What To Make For Dinner

> >

> > Wow, blame the vegan theory employed yet again. Interesting, but not

> > necessarily right. While it is true that you can eat a very unhealthy

> vegan

> > diet, one devoid of nutritional value, it is equally correct that the

> > standard American diet can be sadly lacking too.

> >

> > Celiacs can make you very ill with your bodies inability to absorb the

> > nutrients. Leaky gut can bring on new autoimmune diseases and exacerbate

> > your existing ones.

> >

> > There is no coincidence that an elimination diet employed by doctors to

> > heal you is mostly vegan.

> >

> > So what to do? Well I'm a vegan, and a celiac and I also don't eat soy,

> > tree nuts and am nightshade free. Try that on for size.

> >

> > For the first week it felt very limiting, but as I have collected more

> and

> > more recipes that are fast, nutritious and delicious, it became easy. I

> am

> > lucky though because I have been vegan for a long time and so didn't have

> to

> > unhinge my mind from a lifetime of thinking one way and one way alone.

> >

> > But even for meat eaters, it isn't that hard, nothing and no one has to

> die

> > for any of the meals that are GF, NSF, TNF, SF and vegan. And no I'm not

> > broke buying stuff or relegated to salads and raw fruits. So what is the

> big

> > deal? Research is key. Research and you will find there are more options

> out

> > there than you can imagine

> >

> > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree

> <jensglutenfree%40gmail.com>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree<jensglutenfree%

> 40gmail.com>

> > >

> > > A Vegan Mom and A Gluten-Free Mom

> > Discuss What To Make For Dinner

> > > <%

> 40>

> > > Monday, December 14, 2009, 12:47 AM

> > > I was sitting in the waiting

> > > room of my doctor’s office with my three year

> > > old in tow, when the woman sitting next to me turned and

> > > asked me a strange

> > > question:

> > >

> > > “What do you make for dinner?”

> > > Read more:

> > >

> http://www.jensglutenfreeblog.com/hot-topics/nothing-to-make-for-dinner/

> > > --

> > > Jennifer Ungar

> > > www.jensglutenfreeblog.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

You are terribly mis informed when you state that a vegan is imposing his

implied ' calcium and iron deficient' lifestyle on his daughter. It is well

documented that eating plant foods provides the cleanest and most efficient

way for our bodies to take up calcium and that animal products are NOT the

best sources for dairy. ***

 

I have been reading this book called " The Miracle Brain " . It is EXCELLENT by

Jean Carper. It is how to feed your body to have excellent brain health your

entire life.

 

There is a section in it about how vegetarians/vegans are healthier for

their brains since meat sets free radicals loose into your body. I read

that to my boyfriend. I told him I should copy that for his friend who is

always giving me problems about being a vegetarian. He has hassled me for

years. Now he is having tons of health problems. Granted, the only meat he

eats is game, but still, he needs to let off. He grows a garden, etc. I just

get tired of his hassling all the time.

 

This book has the latest research on brain health. If you can find a copy, I

would get it. I think the regular family Dr would do well to read it as most

do not know much about nutrition and health.

 

maryruth

Don't search for the truth in a church. Search for the truth in the Bible.

Then find a church who teaches the truth.

[Guest guest]

they can't afford to eat a vegan diet***

 

This is where I need help with. My son is the one that needs the diet the

most, although I am suspecting that I could benefit also. I know my

boyfriend could use it also. I just do not know how to cook gf without all

the store-bought prepared foods that cost a mint. I have bought a few flours

and stuff, but that's it. I am at a loss at how to go preparing regular

menus gf. I would love some help. Especially for a 13 yos who thinks pizza

should be served 3 times a day 7 days a week. He hates most of the food I

have bought that is gf. He hates beans. He will eat rice if it is soaked in

brown sugar. (Did I mention the aspegers and half a dozen other dx?) A picky

eater but that is trying to eat me out of house and home. Notice the age? He

has grown 8 inches since summer. 7 in 2 months.

Any hellp is appreciated.

thanks

maryruth

Don't search for the truth in a church. Search for the truth in the Bible.

Then find a church who teaches the truth.

[Guest guest]

I buy my veggies & fruits in the strip district (Pittsburgh, PA) or sometimes at

Aldi if I just need a few things. At the strip i get about 3 bags of produce for

under $15 and most is organic. I don't know if there are wholesale to the public

venues in other cities, but it's worth looking into. I made a crockpot full of

curried rice & veggies and a big salad with pears, avacado, etc for a party

before and my total cost was about $7!

 

 

Sally Parrott Ashbrook <sally.parrott

Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:00 PM

 

Re: A Vegan Mom and A Gluten-Free Mom Discuss

What To Make For Dinner

 

Wow, really? What are some of your typical meals? Our vegetables alone

(always organic) at meals are usually over $10 by themselves.

 

Sally

 

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:37 AM, pdw <pdworkman wrote:

 

> Yeah, we always laugh at those hamburger helper commercials that talk about

> feeding a family of four a meal for under $10. All of our meals are under

> $10!

>

> Pam

>

> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Jae <recyclednew wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > It's funny that you mention not being broke because so many meat eaters I

> > know claim they can't afford to eat a vegan diet. Yet, they think nothing

> of

> > paying $5-7 for one meal at mcdonalds, meanwhile I can easily feed at

> least

> > 6 people on the same amount of money. I say I can't afford to not eat

> vegan!

> > Their lunch budget for 1 day feeds me for a week! LOL

> >

> >

> >

> > DragonFly Simon <dragonfly777_68<dragonfly777_68%

> 40>

> > >

> > Monday, December 14, 2009 7:31 PM

> > <%

> 40>

> > Re: A Vegan Mom and A Gluten-Free Mom

> > Discuss What To Make For Dinner

> >

> > Wow, blame the vegan theory employed yet again. Interesting, but not

> > necessarily right. While it is true that you can eat a very unhealthy

> vegan

> > diet, one devoid of nutritional value, it is equally correct that the

> > standard American diet can be sadly lacking too.

> >

> > Celiacs can make you very ill with your bodies inability to absorb the

> > nutrients. Leaky gut can bring on new autoimmune diseases and exacerbate

> > your existing ones.

> >

> > There is no coincidence that an elimination diet employed by doctors to

> > heal you is mostly vegan.

> >

> > So what to do? Well I'm a vegan, and a celiac and I also don't eat soy,

> > tree nuts and am nightshade free. Try that on for size.

> >

> > For the first week it felt very limiting, but as I have collected more

> and

> > more recipes that are fast, nutritious and delicious, it became easy. I

> am

> > lucky though because I have been vegan for a long time and so didn't have

> to

> > unhinge my mind from a lifetime of thinking one way and one way alone.

> >

> > But even for meat eaters, it isn't that hard, nothing and no one has to

> die

> > for any of the meals that are GF, NSF, TNF, SF and vegan. And no I'm not

> > broke buying stuff or relegated to salads and raw fruits. So what is the

> big

> > deal? Research is key. Research and you will find there are more options

> out

> > there than you can imagine

> >

> > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree

> <jensglutenfree%40gmail.com>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree<jensglutenfree%

> 40gmail.com>

> > >

> > > A Vegan Mom and A Gluten-Free Mom

> > Discuss What To Make For Dinner

> > > <%

> 40>

> > > Monday, December 14, 2009, 12:47 AM

> > > I was sitting in the waiting

> > > room of my doctor’s office with my three year

> > > old in tow, when the woman sitting next to me turned and

> > > asked me a strange

> > > question:

> > >

> > > “What do you make for dinner?”

> > > Read more:

> > >

> http://www.jensglutenfreeblog.com/hot-topics/nothing-to-make-for-dinner/

> > > --

> > > Jennifer Ungar

> > > www.jensglutenfreeblog.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Mostly based around potatoes, rice, and beans. Super cheap staples.

Fruits and vegetables added in in smaller amounts. And our family is

only 3 people.

 

Pam

 

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Sally Parrott Ashbrook

<sally.parrott wrote:

> Wow, really? What are some of your typical meals? Our vegetables alone

> (always organic) at meals are usually over $10 by themselves.

>

> Sally

>

> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:37 AM, pdw <pdworkman wrote:

>

>> Yeah, we always laugh at those hamburger helper commercials that talk about

>> feeding a family of four a meal for under $10.  All of our meals are under

>> $10!

>>

>> Pam

>>

>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Jae <recyclednew wrote:

>>

>> >

>> >

>> > It's funny that you mention not being broke because so many meat eaters I

>> > know claim they can't afford to eat a vegan diet. Yet, they think nothing

>> of

>> > paying $5-7 for one meal at mcdonalds, meanwhile I can easily feed at

>> least

>> > 6 people on the same amount of money. I say I can't afford to not eat

>> vegan!

>> > Their lunch budget for 1 day feeds me for a week! LOL

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > DragonFly Simon <dragonfly777_68<dragonfly777_68%

>> 40>

>> > >

>> > Monday, December 14, 2009 7:31 PM

>> > <%

>> 40>

>> > Re: A Vegan Mom and A Gluten-Free Mom

>> > Discuss What To Make For Dinner

>> >

>> > Wow, blame the vegan theory employed yet again. Interesting, but not

>> > necessarily right. While it is true that you can eat a very unhealthy

>> vegan

>> > diet, one devoid of nutritional value, it is equally correct that the

>> > standard American diet can be sadly lacking too.

>> >

>> > Celiacs can make you very ill with your bodies inability to absorb the

>> > nutrients. Leaky gut can bring on new autoimmune diseases and exacerbate

>> > your existing ones.

>> >

>> > There is no coincidence that an elimination diet employed by doctors to

>> > heal you is mostly vegan.

>> >

>> > So what to do? Well I'm a vegan, and a celiac and I also don't eat soy,

>> > tree nuts and am nightshade free. Try that on for size.

>> >

>> > For the first week it felt very limiting, but as I have collected more

>> and

>> > more recipes that are fast, nutritious and delicious, it became easy. I

>> am

>> > lucky though because I have been vegan for a long time and so didn't have

>> to

>> > unhinge my mind from a lifetime of thinking one way and one way alone.

>> >

>> > But even for meat eaters, it isn't that hard, nothing and no one has to

>> die

>> > for any of the meals that are GF, NSF, TNF, SF and vegan. And no I'm not

>> > broke buying stuff or relegated to salads and raw fruits. So what is the

>> big

>> > deal? Research is key. Research and you will find there are more options

>> out

>> > there than you can imagine

>> >

>> > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree

>> <jensglutenfree%40gmail.com>>

>> > wrote:

>> >

>> > > Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree<jensglutenfree%

>> 40gmail.com>

>> > >

>> > > A Vegan Mom and A Gluten-Free Mom

>> > Discuss What To Make For Dinner

>> > > <%

>> 40>

>> > > Monday, December 14, 2009, 12:47 AM

>> > > I  was sitting in the waiting

>> > > room of my doctor’s office with my three year

>> > > old in tow, when the woman sitting next to me turned and

>> > > asked me a strange

>> > > question:

>> > >

>> > > “What do you make for dinner?”

>> > > Read more:

>> > >

>> http://www.jensglutenfreeblog.com/hot-topics/nothing-to-make-for-dinner/

>> > > --

>> > > Jennifer Ungar

>> > > www.jensglutenfreeblog.com

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

[Guest guest]

If we spent $10 per meal, our grocery bill would be $210 per week.

Our grocery bill is at least half of that. I'd have to calculate out

the other non-food items in our grocery bill to see.

 

Pam

 

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:32 PM, pdw <pdworkman wrote:

> Mostly based around potatoes, rice, and beans.  Super cheap staples.

> Fruits and vegetables added in in smaller amounts.  And our family is

> only 3 people.

>

> Pam

>

> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Sally Parrott Ashbrook

> <sally.parrott wrote:

>> Wow, really? What are some of your typical meals? Our vegetables alone

>> (always organic) at meals are usually over $10 by themselves.

>>

>> Sally

>>

>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:37 AM, pdw <pdworkman wrote:

>>

>>> Yeah, we always laugh at those hamburger helper commercials that talk about

>>> feeding a family of four a meal for under $10.  All of our meals are under

>>> $10!

>>>

>>> Pam

>>>

>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Jae <recyclednew wrote:

>>>

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > It's funny that you mention not being broke because so many meat eaters I

>>> > know claim they can't afford to eat a vegan diet. Yet, they think nothing

>>> of

>>> > paying $5-7 for one meal at mcdonalds, meanwhile I can easily feed at

>>> least

>>> > 6 people on the same amount of money. I say I can't afford to not eat

>>> vegan!

>>> > Their lunch budget for 1 day feeds me for a week! LOL

>>> >

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > DragonFly Simon <dragonfly777_68<dragonfly777_68%

>>> 40>

>>> > >

>>> > Monday, December 14, 2009 7:31 PM

>>> > <%

>>> 40>

>>> > Re: A Vegan Mom and A Gluten-Free Mom

>>> > Discuss What To Make For Dinner

>>> >

>>> > Wow, blame the vegan theory employed yet again. Interesting, but not

>>> > necessarily right. While it is true that you can eat a very unhealthy

>>> vegan

>>> > diet, one devoid of nutritional value, it is equally correct that the

>>> > standard American diet can be sadly lacking too.

>>> >

>>> > Celiacs can make you very ill with your bodies inability to absorb the

>>> > nutrients. Leaky gut can bring on new autoimmune diseases and exacerbate

>>> > your existing ones.

>>> >

>>> > There is no coincidence that an elimination diet employed by doctors to

>>> > heal you is mostly vegan.

>>> >

>>> > So what to do? Well I'm a vegan, and a celiac and I also don't eat soy,

>>> > tree nuts and am nightshade free. Try that on for size.

>>> >

>>> > For the first week it felt very limiting, but as I have collected more

>>> and

>>> > more recipes that are fast, nutritious and delicious, it became easy. I

>>> am

>>> > lucky though because I have been vegan for a long time and so didn't have

>>> to

>>> > unhinge my mind from a lifetime of thinking one way and one way alone.

>>> >

>>> > But even for meat eaters, it isn't that hard, nothing and no one has to

>>> die

>>> > for any of the meals that are GF, NSF, TNF, SF and vegan. And no I'm not

>>> > broke buying stuff or relegated to salads and raw fruits. So what is the

>>> big

>>> > deal? Research is key. Research and you will find there are more options

>>> out

>>> > there than you can imagine

>>> >

>>> > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree

>>> <jensglutenfree%40gmail.com>>

>>> > wrote:

>>> >

>>> > > Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree<jensglutenfree%

>>> 40gmail.com>

>>> > >

>>> > > A Vegan Mom and A Gluten-Free Mom

>>> > Discuss What To Make For Dinner

>>> > > <%

>>> 40>

>>> > > Monday, December 14, 2009, 12:47 AM

>>> > > I  was sitting in the waiting

>>> > > room of my doctor’s office with my three year

>>> > > old in tow, when the woman sitting next to me turned and

>>> > > asked me a strange

>>> > > question:

>>> > >

>>> > > “What do you make for dinner?”

>>> > > Read more:

>>> > >

>>> http://www.jensglutenfreeblog.com/hot-topics/nothing-to-make-for-dinner/

>>> > > --

>>> > > Jennifer Ungar

>>> > > www.jensglutenfreeblog.com

>>> > >

>>> > >

>>> > >

[Guest guest]

Teenage boys are the worst to try to feed! They never stop eating yet they

don't want to eat anything you make! I totally understand the dilemma! When

my step son was 13, pizza, cheese burgers, fries, mashed potatoes, corn, and

ravioli was the list of foods he would eat. It made it impossible to have a

family meal! Making 3 separate meals is just ridiculous and hubby didn't

always want what I had but couldn't deal with all the junk food his son

would only eat. So we started planning meals in which at least once a week I

would make a meal for us and the boy was on his own! Eat what we made or

learn to cook for yourself! Amazingly he actually started trying new things

and discovered a whole lot of foods he really likes. He's still a big meat

eater, but at least he is getting some variety and willing to try new

things. I think ultimately his laziness won, and he gave into trying new

foods rather than actually cook for himself! lol He's 19 now and sometimes

he still amazes me at some of the foods he's willing to try! He has asked to

try my cheese, various milks, pasta, etc. At 13, he would have said " eew

gross I'm not eating that! " Now I get " what's that? Can I try some? " :-) It

was a slow transition. We started with one meal a week and gradually upped

it by incorporating some mixed meals on a few nights, so everybody had

something they liked. Then slowly changing the stuff he liked with some

differant, but similar choices. It may work with your little monster! ;-) I

don't know what is so difficult about fixing yourself something to eat! I

was cooking at the age of 4 standing on a kitchen chair with 3 phone books!

I don't think cooking has gotten any harder since I was a kid! Kids seem to

have gotten a lot lazier though! I vote let the kids cook for themselves!

Otherwise eat what you make and shut up about it! lol

 

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:24 PM, maryruth <countrywriter7wrote:

 

>

>

> they can't afford to eat a vegan diet***

>

> This is where I need help with. My son is the one that needs the diet the

> most, although I am suspecting that I could benefit also. I know my

> boyfriend could use it also. I just do not know how to cook gf without all

> the store-bought prepared foods that cost a mint. I have bought a few

> flours

> and stuff, but that's it. I am at a loss at how to go preparing regular

> menus gf. I would love some help. Especially for a 13 yos who thinks pizza

> should be served 3 times a day 7 days a week. He hates most of the food I

> have bought that is gf. He hates beans. He will eat rice if it is soaked in

>

> brown sugar. (Did I mention the aspegers and half a dozen other dx?) A

> picky

> eater but that is trying to eat me out of house and home. Notice the age?

> He

> has grown 8 inches since summer. 7 in 2 months.

> Any hellp is appreciated.

> thanks

>

> maryruth

> Don't search for the truth in a church. Search for the truth in the Bible.

> Then find a church who teaches the truth.

>

>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yup. Mine has lots of mashed potatoes, corn, rice, and beans. Not a lot

else. Well, any kind of safe crackers or chips or cold cereal of course,

but that's not healthy or thrifty. Of course he likes pizza, but that's

only once a week around here, and I only buy or make 1 loaf of bread per

week. He'll eat fruit and some raw vegetables. And he's so-so about soup.

It isn't that he refuses to eat things, he just picks at it and wants

something else instead.

 

Pam

 

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Jae Jones <recyclednew wrote:

 

>

>

> Teenage boys are the worst to try to feed! They never stop eating yet they

> don't want to eat anything you make! I totally understand the dilemma! When

> my step son was 13, pizza, cheese burgers, fries, mashed potatoes, corn,

> and

> ravioli was the list of foods he would eat. It made it impossible to have a

> family meal! Making 3 separate meals is just ridiculous and hubby didn't

> always want what I had but couldn't deal with all the junk food his son

> would only eat. So we started planning meals in which at least once a week

> I

> would make a meal for us and the boy was on his own! Eat what we made or

> learn to cook for yourself! Amazingly he actually started trying new things

> and discovered a whole lot of foods he really likes. He's still a big meat

> eater, but at least he is getting some variety and willing to try new

> things. I think ultimately his laziness won, and he gave into trying new

> foods rather than actually cook for himself! lol He's 19 now and sometimes

> he still amazes me at some of the foods he's willing to try! He has asked

> to

> try my cheese, various milks, pasta, etc. At 13, he would have said " eew

> gross I'm not eating that! " Now I get " what's that? Can I try some? " :-) It

> was a slow transition. We started with one meal a week and gradually upped

> it by incorporating some mixed meals on a few nights, so everybody had

> something they liked. Then slowly changing the stuff he liked with some

> differant, but similar choices. It may work with your little monster! ;-) I

> don't know what is so difficult about fixing yourself something to eat! I

> was cooking at the age of 4 standing on a kitchen chair with 3 phone books!

> I don't think cooking has gotten any harder since I was a kid! Kids seem to

> have gotten a lot lazier though! I vote let the kids cook for themselves!

> Otherwise eat what you make and shut up about it! lol

>

> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:24 PM, maryruth

<countrywriter7<countrywriter7%40suddenlink.net>

> >wrote:

>

>

> >

> >

> > they can't afford to eat a vegan diet***

> >

> > This is where I need help with. My son is the one that needs the diet the

> > most, although I am suspecting that I could benefit also. I know my

> > boyfriend could use it also. I just do not know how to cook gf without

> all

> > the store-bought prepared foods that cost a mint. I have bought a few

> > flours

> > and stuff, but that's it. I am at a loss at how to go preparing regular

> > menus gf. I would love some help. Especially for a 13 yos who thinks

> pizza

> > should be served 3 times a day 7 days a week. He hates most of the food I

> > have bought that is gf. He hates beans. He will eat rice if it is soaked

> in

> >

> > brown sugar. (Did I mention the aspegers and half a dozen other dx?) A

> > picky

> > eater but that is trying to eat me out of house and home. Notice the age?

> > He

> > has grown 8 inches since summer. 7 in 2 months.

> > Any hellp is appreciated.

> > thanks

> >

> > maryruth

> > Don't search for the truth in a church. Search for the truth in the

> Bible.

> > Then find a church who teaches the truth.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bravo dragonfly!

I posted a reply on that site and I'm sure since it's awaiting moderation, it

will be removed so I'll post it here in hopes of getting through to someone:

I have been vegetarian for 22 years, vegan for over 14. I have a 7 year old

daughter who is thriving and very intelligent. She just had a cbc and her

numbers were perfect in the range that is used for animal eaters.

I do NOT believe that we are limiting our children if we feed them a vegan diet.

I believe, if anything, we are teaching them good values, morals and giving them

optimal health. As with any dietary choice we can be slack and give them

terrible, unhealthy and processed foods. I feed my daughter fresh whole grains,

green leafy veg, beans, and fruits, mostly all organic and cooked from scratch.

She hardly eats processed foods and drinks plenty of water.

My daughter goes to conventional birthday parties and does NOT feel she's

missing anything. Often, we'll bake a cake together either before or after a

party, as her treat. She finds it disgusting that people consume animals and

doesn't have any interest in that.

 

Olive, your example is insulting to the animals and their purpose on this earth.

The murdered animals found in your grocery store are not living life in pasture,

waiting till they are near death and `humanely' slaughtered. It is MURDER first

of all and they are kept in deplorable conditions. They are fed unnatural diets

and then by about age 2 (life expectancy of a cow is about 30 years) they are

transported in harsh conditions, usually without food or water, packed tightly

and then pushed to an assembly line where they smell, hear and see their

relatives and friends being murdered in front of them. The cows are hoisted up

by a hind leg and stunned, often not properly and then bleed to death. The

assembly line works so quickly that they are often skinned alive and die piece

by piece.

 

Humane death is an oxymoron, how can murder ever be humane? It's against the law

to assist a person in death when they are ailing and near death, how dare WE

think ourselves so elevated that we can be judge and jury for them?

According to your theory, we should then go into all old age homes and murder

all the people there, may as well go to the hospitals and murder them too. Heck,

why not just start randomly going to people's homes and inject them with a

lethal substance as they will eventually die anyway?

 

Why are you scared of veganism? It only means we don't participate in the mass

slaughter of animals.

Biodynamic has nothing to do with animal welfare. That's a misnomer.

Where do you buy your meat? Do you eat roadkill? Do you only buy old animals

that lived out their life? Or do you buy meat from the store? Please see note

above how animals are treated and how they are killed many many years

prematurely.

What gives us the right to take the lives of these animals and eat them? It's

disgusting and anthropocentric .

 

On a side note Weston Price did not promote diets such as people now believe. He

was a dentist who studied the teeth of people in indigenous cultures. He found

that mostly a plant based diet was most healthy. I assume you're not part of an

indigenous culture farming and eating what is local to your area???

 

, DragonFly Simon

<dragonfly777_68 wrote:

>

> Wow, blame the vegan theory employed yet again. Interesting, but not

necessarily right. While it is true that you can eat a very unhealthy vegan

diet, one devoid of nutritional value, it is equally correct that the standard

American diet can be sadly lacking too.

>

> Celiacs can make you very ill with your bodies inability to absorb the

nutrients. Leaky gut can bring on new autoimmune diseases and exacerbate your

existing ones.

>

> There is no coincidence that an elimination diet employed by doctors to heal

you is mostly vegan.

>

> So what to do? Well I'm a vegan, and a celiac and I also don't eat soy, tree

nuts and am nightshade free. Try that on for size.

>

> For the first week it felt very limiting, but as I have collected more and

more recipes that are fast, nutritious and delicious, it became easy. I am

lucky though because I have been vegan for a long time and so didn't have to

unhinge my mind from a lifetime of thinking one way and one way alone.

>

> But even for meat eaters, it isn't that hard, nothing and no one has to die

for any of the meals that are GF, NSF, TNF, SF and vegan. And no I'm not broke

buying stuff or relegated to salads and raw fruits. So what is the big deal?

Research is key. Research and you will find there are more options out there

than you can imagine

>

> --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree wrote:

>

> > Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree

> > A Vegan Mom and A Gluten-Free Mom Discuss

What To Make For Dinner

> >

> > Monday, December 14, 2009, 12:47 AM

> > I  was sitting in the waiting

> > room of my doctor’s office with my three year

> > old in tow, when the woman sitting next to me turned and

> > asked me a strange

> > question:

> >

> > “What do you make for dinner?â€

> > Read more:

> > http://www.jensglutenfreeblog.com/hot-topics/nothing-to-make-for-dinner/

> > --

> > Jennifer Ungar

> > www.jensglutenfreeblog.com

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Bravo Reggie A and Dragonfly!!

 

 

Patricia Squyres

 

Marion Nestle's cardinal rules for eating better:

Never buy anything with a health claim.

Never buy anything with a cartoon on its face

Never buy anything with more than 5 ingredients.

 

--- On Wed, 12/16/09, Reggie A <purpleveg wrote:

 

Reggie A <purpleveg

Re: A Vegan Mom and A Gluten-Free Mom Discuss

What To Make For Dinner

 

Wednesday, December 16, 2009, 11:20 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bravo dragonfly!

 

I posted a reply on that site and I'm sure since it's awaiting moderation, it

will be removed so I'll post it here in hopes of getting through to someone:

 

I have been vegetarian for 22 years, vegan for over 14. I have a 7 year old

daughter who is thriving and very intelligent. She just had a cbc and her

numbers were perfect in the range that is used for animal eaters.

 

I do NOT believe that we are limiting our children if we feed them a vegan diet.

I believe, if anything, we are teaching them good values, morals and giving them

optimal health. As with any dietary choice we can be slack and give them

terrible, unhealthy and processed foods. I feed my daughter fresh whole grains,

green leafy veg, beans, and fruits, mostly all organic and cooked from scratch.

She hardly eats processed foods and drinks plenty of water.

 

My daughter goes to conventional birthday parties and does NOT feel she's

missing anything. Often, we'll bake a cake together either before or after a

party, as her treat. She finds it disgusting that people consume animals and

doesn't have any interest in that.

 

 

 

Olive, your example is insulting to the animals and their purpose on this earth.

The murdered animals found in your grocery store are not living life in pasture,

waiting till they are near death and `humanely' slaughtered. It is MURDER first

of all and they are kept in deplorable conditions. They are fed unnatural diets

and then by about age 2 (life expectancy of a cow is about 30 years) they are

transported in harsh conditions, usually without food or water, packed tightly

and then pushed to an assembly line where they smell, hear and see their

relatives and friends being murdered in front of them. The cows are hoisted up

by a hind leg and stunned, often not properly and then bleed to death. The

assembly line works so quickly that they are often skinned alive and die piece

by piece.

 

 

 

Humane death is an oxymoron, how can murder ever be humane? It's against the law

to assist a person in death when they are ailing and near death, how dare WE

think ourselves so elevated that we can be judge and jury for them?

 

According to your theory, we should then go into all old age homes and murder

all the people there, may as well go to the hospitals and murder them too. Heck,

why not just start randomly going to people's homes and inject them with a

lethal substance as they will eventually die anyway?

 

 

 

Why are you scared of veganism? It only means we don't participate in the mass

slaughter of animals.

 

Biodynamic has nothing to do with animal welfare. That's a misnomer.

 

Where do you buy your meat? Do you eat roadkill? Do you only buy old animals

that lived out their life? Or do you buy meat from the store? Please see note

above how animals are treated and how they are killed many many years

prematurely.

 

What gives us the right to take the lives of these animals and eat them? It's

disgusting and anthropocentric .

 

 

 

On a side note Weston Price did not promote diets such as people now believe. He

was a dentist who studied the teeth of people in indigenous cultures. He found

that mostly a plant based diet was most healthy. I assume you're not part of an

indigenous culture farming and eating what is local to your area???

 

 

 

Vegan-and-Gluten- Free@ .com, DragonFly Simon <dragonfly777_

68 wrote:

 

>

 

> Wow, blame the vegan theory employed yet again. Interesting, but not

necessarily right. While it is true that you can eat a very unhealthy vegan

diet, one devoid of nutritional value, it is equally correct that the standard

American diet can be sadly lacking too.

 

>

 

> Celiacs can make you very ill with your bodies inability to absorb the

nutrients. Leaky gut can bring on new autoimmune diseases and exacerbate your

existing ones.

 

>

 

> There is no coincidence that an elimination diet employed by doctors to heal

you is mostly vegan.

 

>

 

> So what to do? Well I'm a vegan, and a celiac and I also don't eat soy, tree

nuts and am nightshade free. Try that on for size.

 

>

 

> For the first week it felt very limiting, but as I have collected more and

more recipes that are fast, nutritious and delicious, it became easy. I am

lucky though because I have been vegan for a long time and so didn't have to

unhinge my mind from a lifetime of thinking one way and one way alone.

 

>

 

> But even for meat eaters, it isn't that hard, nothing and no one has to die

for any of the meals that are GF, NSF, TNF, SF and vegan. And no I'm not broke

buying stuff or relegated to salads and raw fruits. So what is the big deal?

Research is key. Research and you will find there are more options out there

than you can imagine

 

>

 

> --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> > Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree@ ...>

 

> > [Vegan-and-Gluten- Free] A Vegan Mom and A Gluten-Free Mom Discuss

What To Make For Dinner

 

> > Vegan-and-Gluten- Free@ .com

 

> > Monday, December 14, 2009, 12:47 AM

 

> > I  was sitting in the waiting

 

> > room of my doctor’s office with my three year

 

> > old in tow, when the woman sitting next to me turned and

 

> > asked me a strange

 

> > question:

 

> >

 

> > “What do you make for dinner?â€

 

> > Read more:

 

> > http://www.jensglut enfreeblog. com/hot-topics/ nothing-to- make-for-

dinner/

 

> > --

 

> > Jennifer Ungar

 

> > www.jensglutenfreeb log.com

 

> >

 

> >

 

> >

[Guest guest]

If you 're referring to JensGlutenFreeBlog.com I will post your comments

 

Jen

 

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Reggie A <purpleveg wrote:

 

>

>

> Bravo dragonfly!

> I posted a reply on that site and I'm sure since it's awaiting moderation,

> it will be removed so I'll post it here in hopes of getting through to

> someone:

> I have been vegetarian for 22 years, vegan for over 14. I have a 7 year old

> daughter who is thriving and very intelligent. She just had a cbc and her

> numbers were perfect in the range that is used for animal eaters.

> I do NOT believe that we are limiting our children if we feed them a vegan

> diet. I believe, if anything, we are teaching them good values, morals and

> giving them optimal health. As with any dietary choice we can be slack and

> give them terrible, unhealthy and processed foods. I feed my daughter fresh

> whole grains, green leafy veg, beans, and fruits, mostly all organic and

> cooked from scratch. She hardly eats processed foods and drinks plenty of

> water.

> My daughter goes to conventional birthday parties and does NOT feel she's

> missing anything. Often, we'll bake a cake together either before or after a

> party, as her treat. She finds it disgusting that people consume animals and

> doesn't have any interest in that.

>

> Olive, your example is insulting to the animals and their purpose on this

> earth. The murdered animals found in your grocery store are not living life

> in pasture, waiting till they are near death and `humanely' slaughtered. It

> is MURDER first of all and they are kept in deplorable conditions. They are

> fed unnatural diets and then by about age 2 (life expectancy of a cow is

> about 30 years) they are transported in harsh conditions, usually without

> food or water, packed tightly and then pushed to an assembly line where they

> smell, hear and see their relatives and friends being murdered in front of

> them. The cows are hoisted up by a hind leg and stunned, often not properly

> and then bleed to death. The assembly line works so quickly that they are

> often skinned alive and die piece by piece.

>

> Humane death is an oxymoron, how can murder ever be humane? It's against

> the law to assist a person in death when they are ailing and near death, how

> dare WE think ourselves so elevated that we can be judge and jury for them?

> According to your theory, we should then go into all old age homes and

> murder all the people there, may as well go to the hospitals and murder them

> too. Heck, why not just start randomly going to people's homes and inject

> them with a lethal substance as they will eventually die anyway?

>

> Why are you scared of veganism? It only means we don't participate in the

> mass slaughter of animals.

> Biodynamic has nothing to do with animal welfare. That's a misnomer.

> Where do you buy your meat? Do you eat roadkill? Do you only buy old

> animals that lived out their life? Or do you buy meat from the store? Please

> see note above how animals are treated and how they are killed many many

> years prematurely.

> What gives us the right to take the lives of these animals and eat them?

> It's disgusting and anthropocentric .

>

> On a side note Weston Price did not promote diets such as people now

> believe. He was a dentist who studied the teeth of people in indigenous

> cultures. He found that mostly a plant based diet was most healthy. I assume

> you're not part of an indigenous culture farming and eating what is local to

> your area???

>

>

> --- In

<%40>,

> DragonFly Simon <dragonfly777_68 wrote:

> >

> > Wow, blame the vegan theory employed yet again. Interesting, but not

> necessarily right. While it is true that you can eat a very unhealthy vegan

> diet, one devoid of nutritional value, it is equally correct that the

> standard American diet can be sadly lacking too.

> >

> > Celiacs can make you very ill with your bodies inability to absorb the

> nutrients. Leaky gut can bring on new autoimmune diseases and exacerbate

> your existing ones.

> >

> > There is no coincidence that an elimination diet employed by doctors to

> heal you is mostly vegan.

> >

> > So what to do? Well I'm a vegan, and a celiac and I also don't eat soy,

> tree nuts and am nightshade free. Try that on for size.

> >

> > For the first week it felt very limiting, but as I have collected more

> and more recipes that are fast, nutritious and delicious, it became easy. I

> am lucky though because I have been vegan for a long time and so didn't have

> to unhinge my mind from a lifetime of thinking one way and one way alone.

> >

> > But even for meat eaters, it isn't that hard, nothing and no one has to

> die for any of the meals that are GF, NSF, TNF, SF and vegan. And no I'm not

> broke buying stuff or relegated to salads and raw fruits. So what is the big

> deal? Research is key. Research and you will find there are more options out

> there than you can imagine

> >

> > --- On Mon, 12/14/09, Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree wrote:

> >

> > > Jennifer Ungar <jensglutenfree

>

> > > A Vegan Mom and A Gluten-Free Mom

> Discuss What To Make For Dinner

> > > To:

<%40>

> > > Monday, December 14, 2009, 12:47 AM

> > > IÂ was sitting in the waiting

> > > room of my doctor’s office with my three year

>

> > > old in tow, when the woman sitting next to me turned and

> > > asked me a strange

> > > question:

> > >

> > > “What do you make for dinner?â€

> > > Read more:

> > >

> http://www.jensglutenfreeblog.com/hot-topics/nothing-to-make-for-dinner/

> > > --

> > > Jennifer Ungar

> > > www.jensglutenfreeblog.com

> > >

> > >

> > >