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Laurie:.

 

I know that many people get tested for food intolerances; others on the list

have more experience in this. But I would say, if his symptoms are better

without gluten (or any other food), what could test results add to that

knowledge? A negative test result wouldn't change things, nor would a positive

test result for that matter. A test is only as good as its predictive ability.

(And the only medical treatment is what you're doing anyway.) Friends and

family should be happy that Austin's feeling better. It seems to me that you're

doing just the right thing here - adjusting his diet and seeing how he responds.

 

Hang in there!

Nancy

 

 

On May 3, 2010, at 6:47 PM, gnlcover wrote:

 

> Hi!

> I don't post often, but I have a question about what anyone's experiences with

diagnosing gluten-intolerance has been.

>

> Our son is seven, and we had him tested through Enterolab for gluten

antibodies, which came back positive. This is a stool test which someone from

this list recommended. Ok, that was really good enough info for us, and as we

had suspected. But, going to the pediatrician and telling him our results didn't

go over too well. He said he thinks we are barking up the wrong tree, and

doesn't believe Austin is gluten intolerant. Doesn't trust non-FDA( or whoever

oversees the official labs). labs. So, he did blood work, a whole battery of

tests, all of which came back norlam, negative for gluten. Here is my

frustration: Austin has been on a GF diet, strict since Christmas, and before

that GF except for oats for 4 or so months. So, what antibodies WOULD he have? I

asked the nurse prior to the lab draw about this, and she told me (erroneously,

I believe) that the antibodies will show up if you have ever consumed gluten, if

you are sensitive. I didn't buy that then and I don't now either, because it is

contrary to what I have read. When the labs came back neg, the Dr. Told me

everything is fine. I discussed my above concerns, and he admitted that some

types of the antibodies will clear after being GF, but that he didn't know which

ones did that. He said he could follow-up with a gastroenterologist if I wanted

and he would support us.

>

> That is my question, whether to go that route. Austin doesn't have gastro

symptoms. He has ADHD symptoms, and rage/aggression issues, as well as skin

rashes when we have tried to introduce the gluten back in. He gets in a fog

mentally for about a week after he's had gluten. I don't know whether to pursue

this, basically for a diagnosis, to appear more credible in the family and

friends, or just to keep him GF because of what we have seen. We don't really

want to put Austin through a lot of invasive tests, and don't want him or

ourselves to have to suffer through a gluten challenge, but family and friends

think we're off the deep end a bit.

>

> What would you do?

>

> Laurie

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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I know how you're feeling. I never bothered to get the testing done on my

daughter b/c I saw that when she was off gluten, she's better. My family is big

into dr diagnosis too. The fact remains it's YOUR child and if your family

doesn't get it, too bad. To be honest, if your family doesn't get it, they

won't get it even with a diagnosis. They'll feel that surely food can't be the

reason for behavior. Dr's don't completely get it either. Drs get NO

nutritional training in medical school unless they chose an elective. You are

doing a great job, obviously. Give the kid a break, feed him how you feel is

best and IF in the future you feel there are other foods he may have issues

with, you can worry about testing then.

Peace,

Reggie

 

, " gnlcover " <gnlcover wrote:

>

> Hi!

> I don't post often, but I have a question about what anyone's experiences with

diagnosing gluten-intolerance has been.

>

> Our son is seven, and we had him tested through Enterolab for gluten

antibodies, which came back positive. This is a stool test which someone from

this list recommended. Ok, that was really good enough info for us, and as we

had suspected. But, going to the pediatrician and telling him our results

didn't go over too well. He said he thinks we are barking up the wrong tree,

and doesn't believe Austin is gluten intolerant. Doesn't trust non-FDA( or

whoever oversees the official labs). labs. So, he did blood work, a whole

battery of tests, all of which came back norlam, negative for gluten. Here is

my frustration: Austin has been on a GF diet, strict since Christmas, and

before that GF except for oats for 4 or so months. So, what antibodies WOULD he

have? I asked the nurse prior to the lab draw about this, and she told me

(erroneously, I believe) that the antibodies will show up if you have ever

consumed gluten, if you are sensitive. I didn't buy that then and I don't now

either, because it is contrary to what I have read. When the labs came back

neg, the Dr. Told me everything is fine. I discussed my above concerns, and he

admitted that some types of the antibodies will clear after being GF, but that

he didn't know which ones did that. He said he could follow-up with a

gastroenterologist if I wanted and he would support us.

>

> That is my question, whether to go that route. Austin doesn't have gastro

symptoms. He has ADHD symptoms, and rage/aggression issues, as well as skin

rashes when we have tried to introduce the gluten back in. He gets in a fog

mentally for about a week after he's had gluten. I don't know whether to pursue

this, basically for a diagnosis, to appear more credible in the family and

friends, or just to keep him GF because of what we have seen. We don't really

want to put Austin through a lot of invasive tests, and don't want him or

ourselves to have to suffer through a gluten challenge, but family and friends

think we're off the deep end a bit.

>

> What would you do?

>

> Laurie

>

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I was gluten free for years before doctors would listen to me and the few

who did blood test, more so to shut me up I'm sure, got negative results and

told me I didn't have a problem and could go back to eating gluten! I knew

without a doubt I had a problem and for me reactions started as soon as

gluten foods where put in my mouth and I couldn't even swallow it! So I

personally don't care what any doctor thinks! I know my body because I'm in

it 24/7 and you can tell me every test result known to man is negative, and

it may be, but I KNOW I have a problem with gluten and I'm not eating it!

Period!

 

If you know your son has a problem with gluten, stick to the diet! Look for

another doctor who will listen to you! I'm on around doctor 17 now and he

did a biopsy of my intestines and did extra lab work to confirm treated

celiac. The previous doctor just did the scope and said I was fine! Of

course my intestines looked fine...I had been GF for 3 1/2 years! lol

 

Follow your gut! A lot of doctors are going to try to diagnose other things

like IBS because they can prescribe pills and make money! Many doctors are

against celiac and gluten intolerance because they can't make money off it!

And sadly, that's the name of the game!

 

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 9:47 PM, gnlcover <gnlcover wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi!

> I don't post often, but I have a question about what anyone's experiences

> with diagnosing gluten-intolerance has been.

>

> Our son is seven, and we had him tested through Enterolab for gluten

> antibodies, which came back positive. This is a stool test which someone

> from this list recommended. Ok, that was really good enough info for us, and

> as we had suspected. But, going to the pediatrician and telling him our

> results didn't go over too well. He said he thinks we are barking up the

> wrong tree, and doesn't believe Austin is gluten intolerant. Doesn't trust

> non-FDA( or whoever oversees the official labs). labs. So, he did blood

> work, a whole battery of tests, all of which came back norlam, negative for

> gluten. Here is my frustration: Austin has been on a GF diet, strict since

> Christmas, and before that GF except for oats for 4 or so months. So, what

> antibodies WOULD he have? I asked the nurse prior to the lab draw about

> this, and she told me (erroneously, I believe) that the antibodies will show

> up if you have ever consumed gluten, if you are sensitive. I didn't buy that

> then and I don't now either, because it is contrary to what I have read.

> When the labs came back neg, the Dr. Told me everything is fine. I discussed

> my above concerns, and he admitted that some types of the antibodies will

> clear after being GF, but that he didn't know which ones did that. He said

> he could follow-up with a gastroenterologist if I wanted and he would

> support us.

>

> That is my question, whether to go that route. Austin doesn't have gastro

> symptoms. He has ADHD symptoms, and rage/aggression issues, as well as skin

> rashes when we have tried to introduce the gluten back in. He gets in a fog

> mentally for about a week after he's had gluten. I don't know whether to

> pursue this, basically for a diagnosis, to appear more credible in the

> family and friends, or just to keep him GF because of what we have seen. We

> don't really want to put Austin through a lot of invasive tests, and don't

> want him or ourselves to have to suffer through a gluten challenge, but

> family and friends think we're off the deep end a bit.

>

> What would you do?

>

> Laurie

>

>

>

 

 

 

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I feel for you Laurie.

 

 

 

I suppose the most sensible option would be to find a new doctor, one that

understands the issues already and that respects the clear results, both

medical and experiential, that you already have.

 

 

 

I agree that putting your son through invasive tests is to be avoided,

especially since it WOULD require him to go back to eating gluten to have

any chance of getting positive results.

 

 

 

Deborah

 

 

 

 

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May-03-10 6:47 PM

 

Help, need advice on testing

 

 

 

 

 

Hi!

I don't post often, but I have a question about what anyone's experiences

with diagnosing gluten-intolerance has been.

 

Our son is seven, and we had him tested through Enterolab for gluten

antibodies, which came back positive. This is a stool test which someone

from this list recommended. Ok, that was really good enough info for us, and

as we had suspected. But, going to the pediatrician and telling him our

results didn't go over too well. He said he thinks we are barking up the

wrong tree, and doesn't believe Austin is gluten intolerant. Doesn't trust

non-FDA( or whoever oversees the official labs). labs. So, he did blood

work, a whole battery of tests, all of which came back norlam, negative for

gluten. Here is my frustration: Austin has been on a GF diet, strict since

Christmas, and before that GF except for oats for 4 or so months. So, what

antibodies WOULD he have? I asked the nurse prior to the lab draw about

this, and she told me (erroneously, I believe) that the antibodies will show

up if you have ever consumed gluten, if you are sensitive. I didn't buy that

then and I don't now either, because it is contrary to what I have read.

When the labs came back neg, the Dr. Told me everything is fine. I discussed

my above concerns, and he admitted that some types of the antibodies will

clear after being GF, but that he didn't know which ones did that. He said

he could follow-up with a gastroenterologist if I wanted and he would

support us.

 

That is my question, whether to go that route. Austin doesn't have gastro

symptoms. He has ADHD symptoms, and rage/aggression issues, as well as skin

rashes when we have tried to introduce the gluten back in. He gets in a fog

mentally for about a week after he's had gluten. I don't know whether to

pursue this, basically for a diagnosis, to appear more credible in the

family and friends, or just to keep him GF because of what we have seen. We

don't really want to put Austin through a lot of invasive tests, and don't

want him or ourselves to have to suffer through a gluten challenge, but

family and friends think we're off the deep end a bit.

 

What would you do?

 

Laurie

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Jae, Way to go. I feel the same way about the testing. I know I feel better when

I don't eat it. My mom will only change if the test results come back as postive

but she will continue to suffer. Not me, I just gave up all the stuff and feel

better. Karen

 

--- On Tue, 5/4/10, Jae Jones <recyclednew wrote:

 

 

Jae Jones <recyclednew

Re: Help, need advice on testing

 

Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 8:04 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

I was gluten free for years before doctors would listen to me and the few

who did blood test, more so to shut me up I'm sure, got negative results and

told me I didn't have a problem and could go back to eating gluten! I knew

without a doubt I had a problem and for me reactions started as soon as

gluten foods where put in my mouth and I couldn't even swallow it! So I

personally don't care what any doctor thinks! I know my body because I'm in

it 24/7 and you can tell me every test result known to man is negative, and

it may be, but I KNOW I have a problem with gluten and I'm not eating it!

Period!

 

If you know your son has a problem with gluten, stick to the diet! Look for

another doctor who will listen to you! I'm on around doctor 17 now and he

did a biopsy of my intestines and did extra lab work to confirm treated

celiac. The previous doctor just did the scope and said I was fine! Of

course my intestines looked fine...I had been GF for 3 1/2 years! lol

 

Follow your gut! A lot of doctors are going to try to diagnose other things

like IBS because they can prescribe pills and make money! Many doctors are

against celiac and gluten intolerance because they can't make money off it!

And sadly, that's the name of the game!

 

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 9:47 PM, gnlcover <gnlcover > wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi!

> I don't post often, but I have a question about what anyone's experiences

> with diagnosing gluten-intolerance has been.

>

> Our son is seven, and we had him tested through Enterolab for gluten

> antibodies, which came back positive. This is a stool test which someone

> from this list recommended. Ok, that was really good enough info for us, and

> as we had suspected. But, going to the pediatrician and telling him our

> results didn't go over too well. He said he thinks we are barking up the

> wrong tree, and doesn't believe Austin is gluten intolerant. Doesn't trust

> non-FDA( or whoever oversees the official labs). labs. So, he did blood

> work, a whole battery of tests, all of which came back norlam, negative for

> gluten. Here is my frustration: Austin has been on a GF diet, strict since

> Christmas, and before that GF except for oats for 4 or so months. So, what

> antibodies WOULD he have? I asked the nurse prior to the lab draw about

> this, and she told me (erroneously, I believe) that the antibodies will show

> up if you have ever consumed gluten, if you are sensitive. I didn't buy that

> then and I don't now either, because it is contrary to what I have read.

> When the labs came back neg, the Dr. Told me everything is fine. I discussed

> my above concerns, and he admitted that some types of the antibodies will

> clear after being GF, but that he didn't know which ones did that. He said

> he could follow-up with a gastroenterologist if I wanted and he would

> support us.

>

> That is my question, whether to go that route. Austin doesn't have gastro

> symptoms. He has ADHD symptoms, and rage/aggression issues, as well as skin

> rashes when we have tried to introduce the gluten back in. He gets in a fog

> mentally for about a week after he's had gluten. I don't know whether to

> pursue this, basically for a diagnosis, to appear more credible in the

> family and friends, or just to keep him GF because of what we have seen. We

> don't really want to put Austin through a lot of invasive tests, and don't

> want him or ourselves to have to suffer through a gluten challenge, but

> family and friends think we're off the deep end a bit.

>

> What would you do?

>

> Laurie

>

>

>

 

 

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I'm so sorry that you are having trouble with your family and friends,

Laurie! I imagine a lot of have family and friends who either didn't get it

initially (I sure did with my family) or still don't get it now (I maybe

still do--but they are quiet about it now!).

 

I echo what other people are saying about not testing him unnecessarily and

going with what you see is true. So often, we are disconnected from our

bodies so that we don't see or believe our symptoms without some outside

authority believing us. When I was 20-21, I went to my doctor for a variety

of symptoms that he brushed off. To make a long story short, after I ended

up in the ER and then had surgery, it turned out I had a (fortunately

slow-growing) form of ovarian cancer. Well, as you might imagine, my

ultimate faith in doctors getting it right went out the window at that

point. Now, I listen to my body. I research things myself. When I need

medical help, I seek out doctors who have a balanced ego and will listen to

me. (I read docs' reviews on websites like CitySearch, Kudzu, and Yelp to

get a feel before I make a decision.) I do not assume that a doctor

understands my experience of my body more than I do.

 

I don't know if you live in or near a large city, but if you do, it's

possible you could find a gastroenterologist who understands gluten

intolerance and gluten sensitivity. Then you would have the medical backing

that might help your family and friends---or they might just think your new

doc is nutty, too. There's the rub. As others have said, there's still a

large contingent of people who believe that what they put into their body

day in and day out has no effect on its functioning (other than weight

loss/gain).

 

To the people who didn't get it about me initially, my response was, " Why

would I give up things I love if I really didn't feel better from doing it?

What sense does that make? " I don't know how much me saying that helped, but

as I stuck go my changes and my health improved, the people who had been

skeptical gradually came on board to believing in what I was doing.

Ultimately, if people had remained vocally critical about what I was doing,

I would have faded out those relationships to focus on the ones of people

supportive of my health recovery.

 

Sally

 

 

 

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 6:47 PM, gnlcover <gnlcover wrote:

 

>

>

> Hi!

> I don't post often, but I have a question about what anyone's experiences

> with diagnosing gluten-intolerance has been.

>

> Our son is seven, and we had him tested through Enterolab for gluten

> antibodies, which came back positive. This is a stool test which someone

> from this list recommended. Ok, that was really good enough info for us, and

> as we had suspected. But, going to the pediatrician and telling him our

> results didn't go over too well. He said he thinks we are barking up the

> wrong tree, and doesn't believe Austin is gluten intolerant. Doesn't trust

> non-FDA( or whoever oversees the official labs). labs. So, he did blood

> work, a whole battery of tests, all of which came back norlam, negative for

> gluten. Here is my frustration: Austin has been on a GF diet, strict since

> Christmas, and before that GF except for oats for 4 or so months. So, what

> antibodies WOULD he have? I asked the nurse prior to the lab draw about

> this, and she told me (erroneously, I believe) that the antibodies will show

> up if you have ever consumed gluten, if you are sensitive. I didn't buy that

> then and I don't now either, because it is contrary to what I have read.

> When the labs came back neg, the Dr. Told me everything is fine. I discussed

> my above concerns, and he admitted that some types of the antibodies will

> clear after being GF, but that he didn't know which ones did that. He said

> he could follow-up with a gastroenterologist if I wanted and he would

> support us.

>

> That is my question, whether to go that route. Austin doesn't have gastro

> symptoms. He has ADHD symptoms, and rage/aggression issues, as well as skin

> rashes when we have tried to introduce the gluten back in. He gets in a fog

> mentally for about a week after he's had gluten. I don't know whether to

> pursue this, basically for a diagnosis, to appear more credible in the

> family and friends, or just to keep him GF because of what we have seen. We

> don't really want to put Austin through a lot of invasive tests, and don't

> want him or ourselves to have to suffer through a gluten challenge, but

> family and friends think we're off the deep end a bit.

>

> What would you do?

>

> Laurie

>

>

>

 

 

 

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I figured out my gluten intolerance by trial-and-error only. I took lots of

flack from the near-and-dear ones for a long time about it. I just gave up

expecting them to understand and forged on against the tide of ridicule and

resistance. Sadly, that's the way many of us have had to do it.

 

As in Sally's experience, most of my pack have learned to keep their

negativity to themselves now and some of them have become actively

supportive to some degree. I have learned to be happy for the tiniest

gestures of support. It's too bad that it can be necessary to live like

that, but reality is what it is.

 

This is why an elist like this one can be so amazingly important to us.

Although many of us are complete strangers and thousands of miles apart, the

reassurance and encouragement we can gain and give is very real and

necessary.

I've said it before and I'll say it again now: thank you to the ladies who

started and maintain this list.

 

I think it is completely appropriate to claim that your generosity saves

lives and sanity all over the world, and all from the comfort of your own

homes. :-)

 

Deborah

 

 

Sally Parrott Ashbrook:

I'm so sorry that you are having trouble with your family and friends,

Laurie! I imagine a lot of have family and friends who either didn't get it

initially (I sure did with my family) or still don't get it now (I maybe

still do--but they are quiet about it now!).

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Stay on the diet, and just tell friends and family that it helps his stomach

feel better. That's what I do. I don't get into the whole brain-gut connection

thing, because many people simply don't get it.

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