Guest guest Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 Laurie:. I know that many people get tested for food intolerances; others on the list have more experience in this. But I would say, if his symptoms are better without gluten (or any other food), what could test results add to that knowledge? A negative test result wouldn't change things, nor would a positive test result for that matter. A test is only as good as its predictive ability. (And the only medical treatment is what you're doing anyway.) Friends and family should be happy that Austin's feeling better. It seems to me that you're doing just the right thing here - adjusting his diet and seeing how he responds. Hang in there! Nancy On May 3, 2010, at 6:47 PM, gnlcover wrote: > Hi! > I don't post often, but I have a question about what anyone's experiences with diagnosing gluten-intolerance has been. > > Our son is seven, and we had him tested through Enterolab for gluten antibodies, which came back positive. This is a stool test which someone from this list recommended. Ok, that was really good enough info for us, and as we had suspected. But, going to the pediatrician and telling him our results didn't go over too well. He said he thinks we are barking up the wrong tree, and doesn't believe Austin is gluten intolerant. Doesn't trust non-FDA( or whoever oversees the official labs). labs. So, he did blood work, a whole battery of tests, all of which came back norlam, negative for gluten. Here is my frustration: Austin has been on a GF diet, strict since Christmas, and before that GF except for oats for 4 or so months. So, what antibodies WOULD he have? I asked the nurse prior to the lab draw about this, and she told me (erroneously, I believe) that the antibodies will show up if you have ever consumed gluten, if you are sensitive. I didn't buy that then and I don't now either, because it is contrary to what I have read. When the labs came back neg, the Dr. Told me everything is fine. I discussed my above concerns, and he admitted that some types of the antibodies will clear after being GF, but that he didn't know which ones did that. He said he could follow-up with a gastroenterologist if I wanted and he would support us. > > That is my question, whether to go that route. Austin doesn't have gastro symptoms. He has ADHD symptoms, and rage/aggression issues, as well as skin rashes when we have tried to introduce the gluten back in. He gets in a fog mentally for about a week after he's had gluten. I don't know whether to pursue this, basically for a diagnosis, to appear more credible in the family and friends, or just to keep him GF because of what we have seen. We don't really want to put Austin through a lot of invasive tests, and don't want him or ourselves to have to suffer through a gluten challenge, but family and friends think we're off the deep end a bit. > > What would you do? > > Laurie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 I know how you're feeling. I never bothered to get the testing done on my daughter b/c I saw that when she was off gluten, she's better. My family is big into dr diagnosis too. The fact remains it's YOUR child and if your family doesn't get it, too bad. To be honest, if your family doesn't get it, they won't get it even with a diagnosis. They'll feel that surely food can't be the reason for behavior. Dr's don't completely get it either. Drs get NO nutritional training in medical school unless they chose an elective. You are doing a great job, obviously. Give the kid a break, feed him how you feel is best and IF in the future you feel there are other foods he may have issues with, you can worry about testing then. Peace, Reggie , " gnlcover " <gnlcover wrote: > > Hi! > I don't post often, but I have a question about what anyone's experiences with diagnosing gluten-intolerance has been. > > Our son is seven, and we had him tested through Enterolab for gluten antibodies, which came back positive. This is a stool test which someone from this list recommended. Ok, that was really good enough info for us, and as we had suspected. But, going to the pediatrician and telling him our results didn't go over too well. He said he thinks we are barking up the wrong tree, and doesn't believe Austin is gluten intolerant. Doesn't trust non-FDA( or whoever oversees the official labs). labs. So, he did blood work, a whole battery of tests, all of which came back norlam, negative for gluten. Here is my frustration: Austin has been on a GF diet, strict since Christmas, and before that GF except for oats for 4 or so months. So, what antibodies WOULD he have? I asked the nurse prior to the lab draw about this, and she told me (erroneously, I believe) that the antibodies will show up if you have ever consumed gluten, if you are sensitive. I didn't buy that then and I don't now either, because it is contrary to what I have read. When the labs came back neg, the Dr. Told me everything is fine. I discussed my above concerns, and he admitted that some types of the antibodies will clear after being GF, but that he didn't know which ones did that. He said he could follow-up with a gastroenterologist if I wanted and he would support us. > > That is my question, whether to go that route. Austin doesn't have gastro symptoms. He has ADHD symptoms, and rage/aggression issues, as well as skin rashes when we have tried to introduce the gluten back in. He gets in a fog mentally for about a week after he's had gluten. I don't know whether to pursue this, basically for a diagnosis, to appear more credible in the family and friends, or just to keep him GF because of what we have seen. We don't really want to put Austin through a lot of invasive tests, and don't want him or ourselves to have to suffer through a gluten challenge, but family and friends think we're off the deep end a bit. > > What would you do? > > Laurie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 I was gluten free for years before doctors would listen to me and the few who did blood test, more so to shut me up I'm sure, got negative results and told me I didn't have a problem and could go back to eating gluten! I knew without a doubt I had a problem and for me reactions started as soon as gluten foods where put in my mouth and I couldn't even swallow it! So I personally don't care what any doctor thinks! I know my body because I'm in it 24/7 and you can tell me every test result known to man is negative, and it may be, but I KNOW I have a problem with gluten and I'm not eating it! Period! If you know your son has a problem with gluten, stick to the diet! Look for another doctor who will listen to you! I'm on around doctor 17 now and he did a biopsy of my intestines and did extra lab work to confirm treated celiac. The previous doctor just did the scope and said I was fine! Of course my intestines looked fine...I had been GF for 3 1/2 years! lol Follow your gut! A lot of doctors are going to try to diagnose other things like IBS because they can prescribe pills and make money! Many doctors are against celiac and gluten intolerance because they can't make money off it! And sadly, that's the name of the game! On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 9:47 PM, gnlcover <gnlcover wrote: > > > Hi! > I don't post often, but I have a question about what anyone's experiences > with diagnosing gluten-intolerance has been. > > Our son is seven, and we had him tested through Enterolab for gluten > antibodies, which came back positive. This is a stool test which someone > from this list recommended. Ok, that was really good enough info for us, and > as we had suspected. But, going to the pediatrician and telling him our > results didn't go over too well. He said he thinks we are barking up the > wrong tree, and doesn't believe Austin is gluten intolerant. Doesn't trust > non-FDA( or whoever oversees the official labs). labs. So, he did blood > work, a whole battery of tests, all of which came back norlam, negative for > gluten. Here is my frustration: Austin has been on a GF diet, strict since > Christmas, and before that GF except for oats for 4 or so months. So, what > antibodies WOULD he have? I asked the nurse prior to the lab draw about > this, and she told me (erroneously, I believe) that the antibodies will show > up if you have ever consumed gluten, if you are sensitive. I didn't buy that > then and I don't now either, because it is contrary to what I have read. > When the labs came back neg, the Dr. Told me everything is fine. I discussed > my above concerns, and he admitted that some types of the antibodies will > clear after being GF, but that he didn't know which ones did that. He said > he could follow-up with a gastroenterologist if I wanted and he would > support us. > > That is my question, whether to go that route. Austin doesn't have gastro > symptoms. He has ADHD symptoms, and rage/aggression issues, as well as skin > rashes when we have tried to introduce the gluten back in. He gets in a fog > mentally for about a week after he's had gluten. I don't know whether to > pursue this, basically for a diagnosis, to appear more credible in the > family and friends, or just to keep him GF because of what we have seen. We > don't really want to put Austin through a lot of invasive tests, and don't > want him or ourselves to have to suffer through a gluten challenge, but > family and friends think we're off the deep end a bit. > > What would you do? > > Laurie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 I feel for you Laurie. I suppose the most sensible option would be to find a new doctor, one that understands the issues already and that respects the clear results, both medical and experiential, that you already have. I agree that putting your son through invasive tests is to be avoided, especially since it WOULD require him to go back to eating gluten to have any chance of getting positive results. Deborah On Behalf Of gnlcover May-03-10 6:47 PM Help, need advice on testing Hi! I don't post often, but I have a question about what anyone's experiences with diagnosing gluten-intolerance has been. Our son is seven, and we had him tested through Enterolab for gluten antibodies, which came back positive. This is a stool test which someone from this list recommended. Ok, that was really good enough info for us, and as we had suspected. But, going to the pediatrician and telling him our results didn't go over too well. He said he thinks we are barking up the wrong tree, and doesn't believe Austin is gluten intolerant. Doesn't trust non-FDA( or whoever oversees the official labs). labs. So, he did blood work, a whole battery of tests, all of which came back norlam, negative for gluten. Here is my frustration: Austin has been on a GF diet, strict since Christmas, and before that GF except for oats for 4 or so months. So, what antibodies WOULD he have? I asked the nurse prior to the lab draw about this, and she told me (erroneously, I believe) that the antibodies will show up if you have ever consumed gluten, if you are sensitive. I didn't buy that then and I don't now either, because it is contrary to what I have read. When the labs came back neg, the Dr. Told me everything is fine. I discussed my above concerns, and he admitted that some types of the antibodies will clear after being GF, but that he didn't know which ones did that. He said he could follow-up with a gastroenterologist if I wanted and he would support us. That is my question, whether to go that route. Austin doesn't have gastro symptoms. He has ADHD symptoms, and rage/aggression issues, as well as skin rashes when we have tried to introduce the gluten back in. He gets in a fog mentally for about a week after he's had gluten. I don't know whether to pursue this, basically for a diagnosis, to appear more credible in the family and friends, or just to keep him GF because of what we have seen. We don't really want to put Austin through a lot of invasive tests, and don't want him or ourselves to have to suffer through a gluten challenge, but family and friends think we're off the deep end a bit. What would you do? Laurie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 Jae, Way to go. I feel the same way about the testing. I know I feel better when I don't eat it. My mom will only change if the test results come back as postive but she will continue to suffer. Not me, I just gave up all the stuff and feel better. Karen --- On Tue, 5/4/10, Jae Jones <recyclednew wrote: Jae Jones <recyclednew Re: Help, need advice on testing Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 8:04 AM Â I was gluten free for years before doctors would listen to me and the few who did blood test, more so to shut me up I'm sure, got negative results and told me I didn't have a problem and could go back to eating gluten! I knew without a doubt I had a problem and for me reactions started as soon as gluten foods where put in my mouth and I couldn't even swallow it! So I personally don't care what any doctor thinks! I know my body because I'm in it 24/7 and you can tell me every test result known to man is negative, and it may be, but I KNOW I have a problem with gluten and I'm not eating it! Period! If you know your son has a problem with gluten, stick to the diet! Look for another doctor who will listen to you! I'm on around doctor 17 now and he did a biopsy of my intestines and did extra lab work to confirm treated celiac. The previous doctor just did the scope and said I was fine! Of course my intestines looked fine...I had been GF for 3 1/2 years! lol Follow your gut! A lot of doctors are going to try to diagnose other things like IBS because they can prescribe pills and make money! Many doctors are against celiac and gluten intolerance because they can't make money off it! And sadly, that's the name of the game! On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 9:47 PM, gnlcover <gnlcover > wrote: > > > Hi! > I don't post often, but I have a question about what anyone's experiences > with diagnosing gluten-intolerance has been. > > Our son is seven, and we had him tested through Enterolab for gluten > antibodies, which came back positive. This is a stool test which someone > from this list recommended. Ok, that was really good enough info for us, and > as we had suspected. But, going to the pediatrician and telling him our > results didn't go over too well. He said he thinks we are barking up the > wrong tree, and doesn't believe Austin is gluten intolerant. Doesn't trust > non-FDA( or whoever oversees the official labs). labs. So, he did blood > work, a whole battery of tests, all of which came back norlam, negative for > gluten. Here is my frustration: Austin has been on a GF diet, strict since > Christmas, and before that GF except for oats for 4 or so months. So, what > antibodies WOULD he have? I asked the nurse prior to the lab draw about > this, and she told me (erroneously, I believe) that the antibodies will show > up if you have ever consumed gluten, if you are sensitive. I didn't buy that > then and I don't now either, because it is contrary to what I have read. > When the labs came back neg, the Dr. Told me everything is fine. I discussed > my above concerns, and he admitted that some types of the antibodies will > clear after being GF, but that he didn't know which ones did that. He said > he could follow-up with a gastroenterologist if I wanted and he would > support us. > > That is my question, whether to go that route. Austin doesn't have gastro > symptoms. He has ADHD symptoms, and rage/aggression issues, as well as skin > rashes when we have tried to introduce the gluten back in. He gets in a fog > mentally for about a week after he's had gluten. I don't know whether to > pursue this, basically for a diagnosis, to appear more credible in the > family and friends, or just to keep him GF because of what we have seen. We > don't really want to put Austin through a lot of invasive tests, and don't > want him or ourselves to have to suffer through a gluten challenge, but > family and friends think we're off the deep end a bit. > > What would you do? > > Laurie > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 I'm so sorry that you are having trouble with your family and friends, Laurie! I imagine a lot of have family and friends who either didn't get it initially (I sure did with my family) or still don't get it now (I maybe still do--but they are quiet about it now!). I echo what other people are saying about not testing him unnecessarily and going with what you see is true. So often, we are disconnected from our bodies so that we don't see or believe our symptoms without some outside authority believing us. When I was 20-21, I went to my doctor for a variety of symptoms that he brushed off. To make a long story short, after I ended up in the ER and then had surgery, it turned out I had a (fortunately slow-growing) form of ovarian cancer. Well, as you might imagine, my ultimate faith in doctors getting it right went out the window at that point. Now, I listen to my body. I research things myself. When I need medical help, I seek out doctors who have a balanced ego and will listen to me. (I read docs' reviews on websites like CitySearch, Kudzu, and Yelp to get a feel before I make a decision.) I do not assume that a doctor understands my experience of my body more than I do. I don't know if you live in or near a large city, but if you do, it's possible you could find a gastroenterologist who understands gluten intolerance and gluten sensitivity. Then you would have the medical backing that might help your family and friends---or they might just think your new doc is nutty, too. There's the rub. As others have said, there's still a large contingent of people who believe that what they put into their body day in and day out has no effect on its functioning (other than weight loss/gain). To the people who didn't get it about me initially, my response was, " Why would I give up things I love if I really didn't feel better from doing it? What sense does that make? " I don't know how much me saying that helped, but as I stuck go my changes and my health improved, the people who had been skeptical gradually came on board to believing in what I was doing. Ultimately, if people had remained vocally critical about what I was doing, I would have faded out those relationships to focus on the ones of people supportive of my health recovery. Sally On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 6:47 PM, gnlcover <gnlcover wrote: > > > Hi! > I don't post often, but I have a question about what anyone's experiences > with diagnosing gluten-intolerance has been. > > Our son is seven, and we had him tested through Enterolab for gluten > antibodies, which came back positive. This is a stool test which someone > from this list recommended. Ok, that was really good enough info for us, and > as we had suspected. But, going to the pediatrician and telling him our > results didn't go over too well. He said he thinks we are barking up the > wrong tree, and doesn't believe Austin is gluten intolerant. Doesn't trust > non-FDA( or whoever oversees the official labs). labs. So, he did blood > work, a whole battery of tests, all of which came back norlam, negative for > gluten. Here is my frustration: Austin has been on a GF diet, strict since > Christmas, and before that GF except for oats for 4 or so months. So, what > antibodies WOULD he have? I asked the nurse prior to the lab draw about > this, and she told me (erroneously, I believe) that the antibodies will show > up if you have ever consumed gluten, if you are sensitive. I didn't buy that > then and I don't now either, because it is contrary to what I have read. > When the labs came back neg, the Dr. Told me everything is fine. I discussed > my above concerns, and he admitted that some types of the antibodies will > clear after being GF, but that he didn't know which ones did that. He said > he could follow-up with a gastroenterologist if I wanted and he would > support us. > > That is my question, whether to go that route. Austin doesn't have gastro > symptoms. He has ADHD symptoms, and rage/aggression issues, as well as skin > rashes when we have tried to introduce the gluten back in. He gets in a fog > mentally for about a week after he's had gluten. I don't know whether to > pursue this, basically for a diagnosis, to appear more credible in the > family and friends, or just to keep him GF because of what we have seen. We > don't really want to put Austin through a lot of invasive tests, and don't > want him or ourselves to have to suffer through a gluten challenge, but > family and friends think we're off the deep end a bit. > > What would you do? > > Laurie > > > -- " If you want to write fiction, the best thing you can do is take two aspirins, lie down in a dark room, and wait for the feeling to pass. If it persists, you probably ought to write a novel. " —Lawrence Block, Writing the Novel From Plot to Print Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2010 Report Share Posted May 4, 2010 I figured out my gluten intolerance by trial-and-error only. I took lots of flack from the near-and-dear ones for a long time about it. I just gave up expecting them to understand and forged on against the tide of ridicule and resistance. Sadly, that's the way many of us have had to do it. As in Sally's experience, most of my pack have learned to keep their negativity to themselves now and some of them have become actively supportive to some degree. I have learned to be happy for the tiniest gestures of support. It's too bad that it can be necessary to live like that, but reality is what it is. This is why an elist like this one can be so amazingly important to us. Although many of us are complete strangers and thousands of miles apart, the reassurance and encouragement we can gain and give is very real and necessary. I've said it before and I'll say it again now: thank you to the ladies who started and maintain this list. I think it is completely appropriate to claim that your generosity saves lives and sanity all over the world, and all from the comfort of your own homes. :-) Deborah Sally Parrott Ashbrook: I'm so sorry that you are having trouble with your family and friends, Laurie! I imagine a lot of have family and friends who either didn't get it initially (I sure did with my family) or still don't get it now (I maybe still do--but they are quiet about it now!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2010 Report Share Posted May 5, 2010 Stay on the diet, and just tell friends and family that it helps his stomach feel better. That's what I do. I don't get into the whole brain-gut connection thing, because many people simply don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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