Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Remove the animal food AND the grains. Most, if not all, of the arthritis will abate over time. To accelerate this process dramatically, remove these items, then eat well for a bit, then fast on water alone. I once helped a 70-something woman who could no longer touch her fingers to her thumb. After a 5-day fast, she regained substantial use of her hand, and the pain was greatly diminished. (I did not recommend that she break the fast at that point, but she had " family obligations " .) Please note that any return to the animal foods/grains will produce renewed arthritic symptoms almost instantaneously. The body remembers all. Once it has learned to create arthritic symptoms in response to certain foods, it " jumps right on it " . Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Belinda Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:03 AM rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin failed But if you remove the animal food, will it reverse the arthritis? or once you have arthritis, you have it and the removal of animal type food, just reduces the symptoms and keeps it from progressing. Belinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Grains as in all grains? not just wheat? Eat well, as in veggies only with some nuts and seeds, no grains of any kind? How long of a water fast? How about a fresh juice fast. I think I would faint on water alone for very long. I get very dizzy and faint feeling if I go too long without eating. Belinda > Remove the animal food AND the grains. Most, if not all, of the arthritis > will abate over time. To accelerate this process dramatically, remove these > items, then eat well for a bit, then fast on water alone. > > I once helped a 70-something woman who could no longer touch her fingers to > her thumb. After a 5-day fast, she regained substantial use of her hand, and > the pain was greatly diminished. (I did not recommend that she break the > fast at that point, but she had " family obligations " .) > > Please note that any return to the animal foods/grains will produce renewed > arthritic symptoms almost instantaneously. The body remembers all. Once it > has learned to create arthritic symptoms in response to certain foods, it > " jumps right on it " . > > Best, > Elchanan > _____ > > rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of > Belinda > Thursday, July 12, 2007 8:03 AM > rawfood > [Raw Food] Re: Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin failed > > > But if you remove the animal food, will it reverse the arthritis? or > once you have arthritis, you have it and the removal of animal type > food, just reduces the symptoms and keeps it from progressing. > > Belinda > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Hi Belinda, Regarding grains, yes, grains in general. If you can identify a single grain, such that when in the presence of that grain growing on the plant, you salivate, then by all means try eating that grain. Regarding your fasting question, as I wrote earlier to Caron, at some point people cross from requests for general information into requests for individual coaching. Please contact me privately if you wish. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Belinda Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:46 AM rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Animals Foods + Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin failed .. <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId =33133/stime=1184258803/nc1=3848432/nc2=4025373/nc3=4725792> Grains as in all grains? not just wheat? Eat well, as in veggies only with some nuts and seeds, no grains of any kind? How long of a water fast? How about a fresh juice fast. I think I would faint on water alone for very long. I get very dizzy and faint feeling if I go too long without eating. Belinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 > > Regarding grains, yes, grains in general. If you can identify a single > grain, such that when in the presence of that grain growing on the plant, > you salivate, then by all means try eating that grain. Oh you mean like...........fresh corn? ) > Regarding your fasting question, as I wrote earlier to Caron, at some point > people cross from requests for general information into requests for > individual coaching. Please contact me privately if you wish. Well, I guess that would be a " no " to the juice fast instead of the water fast. ) It's not that important anyway. But Thanks (I am not ready for either one right now) Belinda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Yes .... But ... Here is the distinction...be in the presence of fresh corn ON THE PLANT. That's what I said. Corn eaten within the first minute or two after picking is an entirely different food--in terms of its chemistry--than all subsequent corn. (I know, the phrase " subsequent corn " sounds a bit weird.) Shortly after picking, the sugars in the corn turn to a heavy starchy substance that is very difficult, if not impossible, for our systems to digest well. Also, the taste and scent change dramatically. If you conduct this experiment, what I anticipate you'll experience is that your awareness sharpens, and your responds more " enthusiastically " while the corn is on the stalk and during that first minute or two, than otherwise. This contrasts with, say, how we might respond to nice, ripe nectarines...our response maintains for some time.after the fruits are picked. Also, try eating fresh corn on an empty ... completely empty ... stomach and really pay attention to how your system responds over a period of hours. Don't eat anything else for many hours, just give yourself time and opportunity to observe. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Belinda Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:23 PM rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Animals Foods + Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin failed > Regarding grains, yes, grains in general. If you can identify a single grain, such that when in the presence of that grain growing on the plant, you salivate, then by all means try eating that grain. Oh you mean like...........fresh corn? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Ooooo sounds like a fun and yummy experiment to do. I will be driving around looking for a cornfield to raid. I wish I just had time to grow my own stuff. One of these days, I am going to do just that. Belinda > Yes .... But ... > > Here is the distinction...be in the presence of fresh corn ON THE PLANT. > That's what I said. Corn eaten within the first minute or two after picking > is an entirely different food--in terms of its chemistry--than all > subsequent corn. (I know, the phrase " subsequent corn " sounds a bit weird.) > Shortly after picking, the sugars in the corn turn to a heavy starchy > substance that is very difficult, if not impossible, for our systems to > digest well. Also, the taste and scent change dramatically. > > If you conduct this experiment, what I anticipate you'll experience is that > your awareness sharpens, and your responds more " enthusiastically " while the > corn is on the stalk and during that first minute or two, than otherwise. > This contrasts with, say, how we might respond to nice, ripe > nectarines...our response maintains for some time.after the fruits are > picked. > > Also, try eating fresh corn on an empty ... completely empty ... stomach and > really pay attention to how your system responds over a period of hours. > Don't eat anything else for many hours, just give yourself time and > opportunity to observe. > > Best, > Elchanan > _____ > > rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of > Belinda > Thursday, July 12, 2007 12:23 PM > rawfood > [Raw Food] Re: Animals Foods + Grains and arthritis ... why > Pritikin failed > > > > Regarding grains, yes, grains in general. If you can identify a single > grain, such that when in the presence of that grain growing on the > plant, you salivate, then by all means try eating that grain. > > Oh you mean like...........fresh corn? ) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2007 Report Share Posted July 12, 2007 Arthritis is not a " real " terminal disease, just a symptom. Elchanojn is absolutey right that the acidity of animal foods especially will incur disease. We had a 92 yr old at Creative Health who was so crumpled up (for lack of a better term). In weeks she was DANCING. And strolling outside. On her alkalizing live food diet (sprouts, salad, energy soup, wheatgrass). It was such a joy. A 22 yr old with rheumatoid arthritis flew in from AFRICA. Within 12 days she was a landslide better. Like diabetes it doesn't just respond, it responds QUICK. Animal foods are just the worst you can do for health short of excitoxins. Even excitoxins aren't ruining the environment, though. ;-) Please look into the documentary EATING at www.ravediet.com. It is PHENEMONAL and life-changing. Erica Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 I found the link interesting. The only question I have is: What makes this diet any better than say, Alissa Cohen's, or any of the other " raw diet " proponents? Just curious because I can't afford to purchase both of their books/dvd's. I was saving up for Alissa's. Jeannie your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. School Of Rawk <schoolofrawk rawfood Thursday, July 12, 2007 4:26:03 PM [Raw Food] Re:Animals Foods + Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin failed Arthritis is not a " real " terminal disease, just a symptom. Elchanojn is absolutey right that the acidity of animal foods especially will incur disease. We had a 92 yr old at Creative Health who was so crumpled up (for lack of a better term). In weeks she was DANCING. And strolling outside. On her alkalizing live food diet (sprouts, salad, energy soup, wheatgrass). It was such a joy. A 22 yr old with rheumatoid arthritis flew in from AFRICA. Within 12 days she was a landslide better. Like diabetes it doesn't just respond, it responds QUICK. Animal foods are just the worst you can do for health short of excitoxins. Even excitoxins aren't ruining the environment, though. ;-) Please look into the documentary EATING at www.ravediet.com. It is PHENEMONAL and life-changing. Erica Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Jeannie, This question has been answered at least a hundred times within the past couple of months. Please spend time in the archive ... what you might consider is your level of focus when you are reading, how much are you processing and really absorbing?? Or, you might consider paying someone to work with you ... then your level of attention will likely increase dramatically. Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of jeannieh h Thursday, July 12, 2007 7:15 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Re:Animals Foods + Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin failed I found the link interesting. The only question I have is: What makes this diet any better than say, Alissa Cohen's, or any of the other " raw diet " proponents? Just curious because I can't afford to purchase both of their books/dvd's. I was saving up for Alissa's. Jeannie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Elchanan, Perhaps I just would like my question answered. Could that be a possibility? If I have to go to the archive for my answers then there is no need to post, since I'm sure all questions have been asked. I have mentioned before, I don't read from the group site. I read each email in my mail box. I don't see the archive. going to my room. Jeannie your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. Elchanan <Elchanan rawfood Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:28:41 PM RE: [Raw Food] Re:Animals Foods + Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin failed Jeannie, This question has been answered at least a hundred times within the past couple of months. Please spend time in the archive ... what you might consider is your level of focus when you are reading, how much are you processing and really absorbing?? Or, you might consider paying someone to work with you ... then your level of attention will likely increase dramatically. Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of jeannieh h Thursday, July 12, 2007 7:15 PM rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Re:Animals Foods + Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin failed I found the link interesting. The only question I have is: What makes this diet any better than say, Alissa Cohen's, or any of the other " raw diet " proponents? Just curious because I can't afford to purchase both of their books/dvd's. I was saving up for Alissa's. Jeannie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2007 Report Share Posted July 13, 2007 Jeannie, here catch this it's a mango but *you* have to cut it up rawfood rawfood/links/ rawfood/database/ there is also info all over-not just this site Elchanan did just answer this to Belinda too... and POut Pout fruit is very bitter and upsetting to the digestion Em--- In rawfood , jeannieh h <jeannieh99 wrote: > > Elchanan, > > Perhaps I just would like my question answered. Could that be a possibility? > > If I have to go to the archive for my answers then there is no need to post, since I'm sure all questions have been asked. > > I have mentioned before, I don't read from the group site. I read each email in my mail box. I don't see the archive. > > > going to my room. > > > Jeannie > > > > your time is the most cherished gift of all, tomorrow is promised to no one. > > > > > Elchanan <Elchanan > rawfood > Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:28:41 PM > RE: [Raw Food] Re:Animals Foods + Grains and arthritis ... why Pritikin failed > > > Jeannie, > > This question has been answered at least a hundred times within the past > couple of months. Please spend time in the archive ... what you might > consider is your level of focus when you are reading, how much are you > processing and really absorbing?? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2007 Report Share Posted July 14, 2007 rawfood , jeannieh h <jeannieh99 wrote: > > I found the link interesting. The only question I have is: What makes this diet any better than say, Alissa Cohen's, or any of the other " raw diet " proponents? > > Just curious because I can't afford to purchase both of their books/dvd's. I was saving up for Alissa's. > > > Jeannie Jeannie, " Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint " Mark twain :-) Em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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