Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 The problem with this way of thinking, in my opinion, is that it captures and expresses short-sighted self-interest and nothing else. Whenever we spend funds on anything at all, we send a clear message out into the world, saying, " We approve of this, please provide more of this. " Is this really what we wish to say? Is this the intention we wish to project outward? I surely hope not!!! The organic standard, now federalized in the U.S., comes as a package. Economic justifications are often prepared using nothing but aggregate numbers, as X% of the avocado production is organic, an increase of Y% over the past N years. " Either we support this standard wholeheartedly, at every available opportunity, or we weaken it. There are no " neutral " acts in this regard. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Erin Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:57 AM rawfood [Raw Food] organic budgetary considerations It has previously been discussed in this group, the high cost of organic produce. At that time, I suggested using one of the various " dirty dozen " lists out there and pointed to an old blog post with a few references. I have just revisited the topic more directly with my latest post and thought you all might find it of interest: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 Elchanan, I don't think it's quite as simple as this. It may be true that our spending habits project a message, but some people are limited on what they can spend. My husband and I spend a lot of money on food every month as it is. We cannot afford the additional expense of buying everything organic. Someday, when we have the car and the student loans paid off, this will be an option. But right now, we just don't have the money to buy everything organic. And we are very tight on spending - no eating out, no movies... I haven't bought new clothes in months. For now, it's nice to know that there are certain conventional produce items I can buy that will have less pesticides than others and I choose to be selective. Some day, we will be able to afford having a lessor paying job that we love and buying all organic fruits and veggies. Until then, we just do the best we can. Cassandra rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote: > > The problem with this way of thinking, in my opinion, is that it captures > and expresses short-sighted self-interest and nothing else. > > Whenever we spend funds on anything at all, we send a clear message out into > the world, saying, " We approve of this, please provide more of this. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 I really get both these posts- I would have to say though that someone I know was saving one of these lists as afavor to me..and I said no I was sort of bothered by it because when I shop I try to just get the best stuff & mostly organic If I'm in mainstream shop like stop & shop and they have good organic even if it's pricier than wholefoods I'll buy it because I figure it's a " vote " in theright direction...also the mainstream marketis closer and I am saving gas but sometimes I buy conventional from Wholefoods because it is better quality I feel that the vote carries more weight at the conventional store I have 6 mouths and a limited income but I do try and I would have to say that even though bananas are on the safe list that the organic taste so much better Now as for cheeries you are supposed to buy organic and I was putting plain old Dole ones in a smoothie and I could just tell aftera while that they were not good for me So I just can't have those anymore or strawbeeries either :-( Anyway I think that it is nice that Erin posted this in case someone needs it. Em -- In rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote: > > The problem with this way of thinking, in my opinion, is that it captures > and expresses short-sighted self-interest and nothing else. > > Whenever we spend funds on anything at all, we send a clear message out into > the world, saying, " We approve of this, please provide more of this. " > > Is this really what we wish to say? Is this the intention we wish to project > outward? I surely hope not!!! > > The organic standard, now federalized in the U.S., comes as a package. > Economic justifications are often prepared using nothing but aggregate > numbers, as X% of the avocado production is organic, an increase of Y% over > the past N years. " Either we support this standard wholeheartedly, at every > available opportunity, or we weaken it. There are no " neutral " acts in this > regard. > > Best, > Elchanan > _____ > > rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of > Erin > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:57 AM > rawfood > [Raw Food] organic budgetary considerations > > > It has previously been discussed in this group, the high cost > of organic produce. At that time, I suggested using one of > the various " dirty dozen " lists out there and pointed to an > old blog post with a few references. I have just revisited > the topic more directly with my latest post and thought you > all might find it of interest: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2007 Report Share Posted July 18, 2007 This is commonplace thinking, and it is false. The vote travels all the way back through the production chain, into the political system, into the media .... everywhere. Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of emusedmary Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:55 PM rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Organic budgetary considerations I feel that the vote carries more weight at the conventional store <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId =33378/stime=1184795695/nc1=3848443/nc2=4706130/nc3=4025338> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 well the vote carries more weight in that the conventional store will then carry more of the organic produce If they don't sell it they are not going to carry it So I'm a bit confused with my actions being considered as false & commonplace as I don't see it being the case yet I agree with a vote is a vote However since I did reproduce(I admit in moments of passion without thinking of the planet) I do buy 6-8 heads of lettuce and they can't always be organic I can't feed my family less food as that is neglect I think commonplace thinking is that you buy conventional produce at the regular supermarkets and go to wholefoods or wild oats to get the organic Also the vote getting back to the Political system & media may change its meaning entirely....and not necessarily good. I think there is something powerful about going to the regular store and filling my cart up with organic produce and bringing my happy healthy family along that makes a huge statement. Em rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote: > > This is commonplace thinking, and it is false. The vote travels all the way > back through the production chain, into the political system, into the media > ... everywhere. > > Elchanan > _____ > > rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of > emusedmary > Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:55 PM > rawfood > [Raw Food] Re: Organic budgetary considerations > > > I feel that the vote carries more weight at the conventional store > <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId > =33378/stime=1184795695/nc1=3848443/nc2=4706130/nc3=4025338> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Nice blog, Erin. Janet rawfood , " Erin " <truepatriot wrote: It has previously been discussed in this group, the high cost of organic produce. At that time, I suggested using one of the various " dirty dozen " lists out there and pointed to an old blog post with a few references. I have just revisited the topic more directly with my latest post and thought you all might find it of interest: http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog/2007/07/17/organic-guidelines/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 I agree, Elchanan. However, there was a time of transition before I started buying everything organic. I see it as a stepping stone. Personally, I wasn't on that stepping stone for more than a few months. I needed to convince my husband to take the plunge, too. And, that was at a time when we weren't eating raw. We were buying all kinds of boxed organic this and that. I laugh, now. It takes time to see the real costs of buying conventional, pesticide-laden, produce. Just like Wal-Mart, there is a high cost for low prices. Also, I've noticed that conventional grocery stores that offer organic tend to offer organic produce that is WAY too green, overly packaged, or next to rotting. I think they are giving lip-service to organic. They even mix it in with conventional produce to confuse the customer. It disconcerts me. Janet - already dreaming of next year's garden. rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote: The problem with this way of thinking, in my opinion, is that it captures and expresses short-sighted self-interest and nothing else. Whenever we spend funds on anything at all, we send a clear message out into the world, saying, " We approve of this, please provide more of this. " Is this really what we wish to say? Is this the intention we wish to project outward? I surely hope not!!! The organic standard, now federalized in the U.S., comes as a package. Economic justifications are often prepared using nothing but aggregate numbers, as X% of the avocado production is organic, an increase of Y% over the past N years. " Either we support this standard wholeheartedly, at every available opportunity, or we weaken it. There are no " neutral " acts in this regard. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Erin Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:57 AM rawfood [Raw Food] organic budgetary considerations It has previously been discussed in this group, the high cost of organic produce. At that time, I suggested using one of the various " dirty dozen " lists out there and pointed to an old blog post with a few references. I have just revisited the topic more directly with my latest post and thought you all might find it of interest: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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