Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Plus Carol Alt said in an online TV interview that she doesn't try to be all-raw. In a message dated 7/19/07 10:00:36 AM, pixiechik writes: > Yes, she is raw, but not raw vegan, for many years she has promoted > raw, but eats raw fish/meat and dairy. Yechhhh! > ~kristi > > On Jul 19, 2007, at 9:13 AM, Terry Bakhtiari wrote: > > > I know I had seen an interview with Carol Alt a while back and she > > was talking about being raw and how great it was. I know she has > > another book out from a few years back also. > > > > mstrong56 <mstrong wrote: I saw Carol > > Alt promoting her new book " Raw 50 " on Good Morning > > America. Among other things she said " I'm NOT a Vegan " , " I don't knock > > myself out to be raw " , among the veggies she showed was a huge > > plate of > > cheese, which she said was fine because it was unpasturized and then > > there was a giant slab of bloody tuna....... > > > > She didn't seem to know much about being raw. It left me wondering if > > she is promoting this out of conviction or if it's a just an > > attempt to > > get back in the spotlight and cash in on the raw food movement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terry Lynn Bakhtiari > > May God bless you > > Today and always. > > www.terrywithpcos.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Got a little couch potato? > > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 I know I had seen an interview with Carol Alt a while back and she was talking about being raw and how great it was. I know she has another book out from a few years back also. mstrong56 <mstrong wrote: I saw Carol Alt promoting her new book " Raw 50 " on Good Morning America. Among other things she said " I'm NOT a Vegan " , " I don't knock myself out to be raw " , among the veggies she showed was a huge plate of cheese, which she said was fine because it was unpasturized and then there was a giant slab of bloody tuna....... She didn't seem to know much about being raw. It left me wondering if she is promoting this out of conviction or if it's a just an attempt to get back in the spotlight and cash in on the raw food movement. Terry Lynn Bakhtiari May God bless you Today and always. www.terrywithpcos.blogspot.com Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 Yes, she is raw, but not raw vegan, for many years she has promoted raw, but eats raw fish/meat and dairy. Yechhhh! ~kristi On Jul 19, 2007, at 9:13 AM, Terry Bakhtiari wrote: > I know I had seen an interview with Carol Alt a while back and she > was talking about being raw and how great it was. I know she has > another book out from a few years back also. > > mstrong56 <mstrong wrote: I saw Carol > Alt promoting her new book " Raw 50 " on Good Morning > America. Among other things she said " I'm NOT a Vegan " , " I don't knock > myself out to be raw " , among the veggies she showed was a huge > plate of > cheese, which she said was fine because it was unpasturized and then > there was a giant slab of bloody tuna....... > > She didn't seem to know much about being raw. It left me wondering if > she is promoting this out of conviction or if it's a just an > attempt to > get back in the spotlight and cash in on the raw food movement. Terry Lynn Bakhtiari > May God bless you > Today and always. > www.terrywithpcos.blogspot.com > > > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2007 Report Share Posted July 19, 2007 rawfood , " mstrong56 " <mstrong wrote: > > I saw Carol Alt promoting her new book " Raw 50 " on Good Morning > America. Among other things she said " I'm NOT a Vegan " , " I don't knock > myself out to be raw " , among the veggies she showed was a huge plate of > cheese, which she said was fine because it was unpasturized and then > there was a giant slab of bloody tuna....... > > She didn't seem to know much about being raw. It left me wondering if > she is promoting this out of conviction or if it's a just an attempt to > get back in the spotlight and cash in on the raw food movement. > That is why her book stinks and she is not really healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 Sure she looks great! All celebrities do. They get plastic surgery and all sorts of injections putting fat into their faces to get rid of wrinkles and they have personal trainers, etc. > rawfood , " Janet FitzGerald " <waxplanet wrote: > > > > No, she doesn't know much about optimal health. I read her first book > > among many, and she's the only one I know that eats near raw > > meat...YUK! She may look great, but time will tell. Her cholesterol > > must be skyrocketing, at times. > > > > Janet > not necessarily- if she hunted the animal first then I don't think > that is unhealthy > You have to be even more careful about raw meat than raw veggies > Em > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 No, she doesn't know much about optimal health. I read her first book among many, and she's the only one I know that eats near raw meat...YUK! She may look great, but time will tell. Her cholesterol must be skyrocketing, at times. Janet rawfood , Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully wrote: > > I know I had seen an interview with Carol Alt a while back and she was talking about being raw and how great it was. I know she has another book out from a few years back also. > > mstrong56 <mstrong wrote: I saw Carol Alt promoting her new book " Raw 50 " on Good Morning > America. Among other things she said " I'm NOT a Vegan " , " I don't knock > myself out to be raw " , among the veggies she showed was a huge plate of > cheese, which she said was fine because it was unpasturized and then > there was a giant slab of bloody tuna....... > > She didn't seem to know much about being raw. It left me wondering if > she is promoting this out of conviction or if it's a just an attempt to > get back in the spotlight and cash in on the raw food movement. Terry Lynn Bakhtiari > May God bless you > Today and always. > www.terrywithpcos.blogspot.com > > > Got a little couch potato? > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2007 Report Share Posted July 20, 2007 rawfood , " Janet FitzGerald " <waxplanet wrote: > > No, she doesn't know much about optimal health. I read her first book > among many, and she's the only one I know that eats near raw > meat...YUK! She may look great, but time will tell. Her cholesterol > must be skyrocketing, at times. > > Janet not necessarily- if she hunted the animal first then I don't think that is unhealthy You have to be even more careful about raw meat than raw veggies Em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 I believe the same can be said about 80-10-10ers and NHers. In the beginning they feel good and look good, but as time goes on and the defecencies begin to manifest from an unbalanced diet..........well, time will tell. Balance and moderation is the key to health. There IS such a thing as " too much of a good thing " . To much of a good thing can become a bad thing. Just like some things that are considered " bad " things is only " bad " because there is too much of it. In it's proper proportion and in it's proper state, it is a " good " thing. Belinda > No, she doesn't know much about optimal health. I read her first book > among many, and she's the only one I know that eats near raw > meat...YUK! She may look great, but time will tell. Her cholesterol > must be skyrocketing, at times. > > Janet > > rawfood , Terry Bakhtiari <pablobully@> wrote: > > > > I know I had seen an interview with Carol Alt a while back and she > was talking about being raw and how great it was. I know she has > another book out from a few years back also. > > > > mstrong56 <mstrong@> wrote: I saw Carol Alt promoting > her new book " Raw 50 " on Good Morning > > America. Among other things she said " I'm NOT a Vegan " , " I don't knock > > myself out to be raw " , among the veggies she showed was a huge plate of > > cheese, which she said was fine because it was unpasturized and then > > there was a giant slab of bloody tuna....... > > > > She didn't seem to know much about being raw. It left me wondering if > > she is promoting this out of conviction or if it's a just an attempt to > > get back in the spotlight and cash in on the raw food movement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terry Lynn Bakhtiari > > May God bless you > > Today and always. > > www.terrywithpcos.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Got a little couch potato? > > Check out fun summer activities for kids. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 I believe the same can be said about 80-10-10ers and NHers. In the beginning they feel good and look good, but as time goes on and the defecencies begin to manifest from an unbalanced diet..........well, time will tell. Belinda, Where did this conclusion come from? How many 80-10-10ers or NHers have you seen after years on the diet? Years ago I went to a couple NH conferences. I was very impressed by the people that I met that had been NH for 20-50 years. They were incredibly healthy looking and acting. I met a couple that I thought was about 60. They were almost 90. They'd been NH for about 50 years. They were playing volleyball with people who were 30-40. I met kids up to their mid-teens. They sure looked and acted healthy. I know one woman who was coached on NH for two years and got very sick. She was at our retreat for two weeks a while back. However, when she shared what she'd been told to eat, it wasn't like any NH diet that I've ever heard of. We have to be careful about all these conclusions and assertions we make about other people. Unfortunately, we human beings usually form conclusions when we haven't gathered enough information. Or understood exactly what the other person means by a specific word or phrase, like " I was on NH for two years and got sick. " It's easy to assume that we know what NH is to them, to their coach, what they did or didn't do, their state of health when they started, etc. ..wyn The Raw Retreat http://TheRawRetreat.com o) 888.EAT.RAW4LIFE f) 877.236.6999 ..wyn The Raw Retreat http://TheRawRetreat.com o) 888.EAT.RAW4LIFE f) 877.236.6999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Erica, Just how many years would one need to live this way in order, in your opinion, for time to have told? Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of The Raw Retreat Saturday, July 21, 2007 5:59 PM rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Calrol Alt - Raw 50 or Raw 50% ? I believe the same can be said about 80-10-10ers and NHers. In the beginning they feel good and look good, but as time goes on and the defecencies begin to manifest from an unbalanced diet..........well, time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Elchanan, regarding the below, I am a bit confused. Did you mean to ask The Raw Retreat this question, since it appears to be in response to their post? I made a comment in this thread referring to Carol Alt's diet. Just that it's unhealty and the book stinks, imo. And to tell you the truth, yeah, when I bought it for the institute library I stocked, I was disappointed too, but I'm more upset that she's including and promoting raw FISH as a health food. Meat in any capacity is not only unhealthy but irresponsible, environmentally, and of course is imo unethical because of the extreme pain and ultimate death that fish endured for her little unhealthy " meal " . I love being a vegan, all around, and consider it to be by far the most meaningful decision I have ever made in life, even above learning about raw. So, it takes me approximately zero years to deduce that a diet including animal products is simply not healthy. Sure, she's eating a ton of raw organic vegan foods, but I think the book stinks because that is how diets get compromised. Pretty soon there will be a bunch of meat eating and god knows what else eating raw foodists out there wondering why their cancer or fibromyalgia isn't budging since the diet says it " improves " health. I realize she says in the book that many eat vegan and ultimately she may, but until she's out of transition she should probably have held off writing the book, honestly, imho. That said, I can probably guess that either this question was not directed at me, ultimately, or that you were asking me something else. Or, likely both. LOL! erica rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote: > > Erica, > > Just how many years would one need to live this way in order, in your > opinion, for time to have told? > > Elchanan > _____ > > rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of > The Raw Retreat > Saturday, July 21, 2007 5:59 PM > rawfood > [Raw Food] Re: Calrol Alt - Raw 50 or Raw 50% ? > > > I believe the same can be said about 80-10-10ers and NHers. > In the beginning they feel good and look good, but as time goes on > and the defecencies begin to manifest from an unbalanced > diet..........well, time will tell. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Personally, I don't know anyone that eats and lives like either. And doubt that I ever will, because there just isn't enough of them in my area that I would be able to socialize with them. My conclusion is just common sense. I know folks that eat a healther version of SAD (and unhealthy versions) of SAD and they are just the same. I have met lots of old people that look and act 10 and twenty years younger than they are.(My dad is in his 80's and still push mows his 1 acre lot and has a very big garden that he tends. His next door neighbor is in his 90's and still has a big garden that he tends. Both eat a typical American diet, A balanced one. My dad never overeats any one thing. In fact he never overeats at all) Though much of it they do grow themselves, but it isn't totally organic. They are also regular meat, milk, egg eaters. The same for our preacher. Late 70's and still as physically and mentally active as ever. Better shape than many, many men 20 years younger. Yep, SAD diet.) Some of them have eaten an extremely unblanced diet and yet they were quite old before problems started manifesting themselves. (my DH's uncle comes to mind. His problems came to a head in his 80s. He is now in a nursing home, unable to walk. All due to nutrition defeciencies that damaged his nerves.) And of course, there are a lot that were not so lucky. They have problems much younger. As for how long will it take for problems to manifest in NHers, 8-1- 1ers and others? It will depend upon the person. Their age, overall health when they began, environment and other activities, state of mind, spiritualality, etc. Some will go on to live a long and healthy (or seemingly healthy) life. Giving credit to their diet and lifestyle, others will not be so lucky. Just like with the SAD folks. The biggest difference in SAD and the others is that there is so many more people on the SAD diet to study and watch what happens to them. The NHers 8-1-1ers and such, there is very few and not the documented history for which to study them. I hope that changes though. But I doubt it will, because it seems the NHers' and 8-1-1ers seem to have an avoidence for doctors and dentist. (not that I really blame them. Except for the dentist. I am not taking any chances with my teeth:o)) As for NHers, is it not true that their are variances in diet in the Natural Hygeine community? I think I read that on one of the NH sites? Some even include some animal products in their diet? My whole point in all of this is NOT to promote the SAD diet. Because I am not doing so. For most, the SAD diet is very detrimental to ones health. As is smoking, drugs and alcahol. I am just saying that just because someone eats 80-10-10 and the NH way, doesn't mean they are going to have no health problems. If the diet is unbalanced (and I very much believe that the 80-10-10 is for many) then problems are going to arise, and one better pay attention and not just discount it as " detox " . Because some damage to the body is irrepariable and irreversible. No matter what you eat. Belinda > I believe the same can be said about 80-10-10ers and NHers. > In the beginning they feel good and look good, but as time goes on > and the defecencies begin to manifest from an unbalanced > diet..........well, time will tell. > > Belinda, > > Where did this conclusion come from? How many 80-10-10ers or NHers > have you seen after years on the diet? > > Years ago I went to a couple NH conferences. I was very impressed by > the people that I met that had been NH for 20-50 years. They were > incredibly healthy looking and acting. I met a couple that I thought > was about 60. They were almost 90. They'd been NH for about 50 years. > They were playing volleyball with people who were 30-40. I met kids > up to their mid-teens. They sure looked and acted healthy. > > I know one woman who was coached on NH for two years and got very > sick. She was at our retreat for two weeks a while back. However, > when she shared what she'd been told to eat, it wasn't like any NH > diet that I've ever heard of. > > We have to be careful about all these conclusions and assertions we > make about other people. Unfortunately, we human beings usually form > conclusions when we haven't gathered enough information. Or > understood exactly what the other person means by a specific word or > phrase, like " I was on NH for two years and got sick. " It's easy to > assume that we know what NH is to them, to their coach, what they did > or didn't do, their state of health when they started, etc. > > .wyn > The Raw Retreat > http://TheRawRetreat.com > o) 888.EAT.RAW4LIFE > f) 877.236.6999 > > > .wyn > The Raw Retreat > http://TheRawRetreat.com > o) 888.EAT.RAW4LIFE > f) 877.236.6999 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 this was very good. The Raw Retreat <therawretreat wrote: We have to be careful about all these conclusions and assertions we make about other people. Unfortunately, we human beings usually form conclusions when we haven't gathered enough information. Or understood exactly what the other person means by a specific word or phrase, like " I was on NH for two years and got sick. " It's easy to assume that we know what NH is to them, to their coach, what they did or didn't do, their state of health when they started, etc. ..wyn The Raw Retreat http://TheRawRetreat.com o) 888.EAT.RAW4LIFE f) 877.236.6999 ..wyn The Raw Retreat http://TheRawRetreat.com o) 888.EAT.RAW4LIFE f) 877.236.6999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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