Cravings

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Ok, here's a question for you all. As

> vegetarians/vegans, is there anything

> that you miss from your former life as a carnivore?

 

 

 

Oh yes! A great big thick steak or prime ribs, and, of course, lobster

drenched in butter sauce.

Every so often, if I am out or at a dinner party, I will let myself have one

of these things. Perhaps twice a year??? If that??? It does not make me

ill, but I also go right back to being a vegetarian the next day. I know they

are not good for me, but every now and then I just have to let myself go

and to heck with the cholesterol!!! But the vegetarian way of life is

wonderful. My cholesterol is down and I have learned of wonderful recipes from

this

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Dr. Gershon's research on the enteric nervous system

points out that the vagus nerve, which links

this " second brain " in the abdominal area--estimated

to contain over a billion nerve cells-- to the brain,

trasmits more signals than it receives. Further, he

evidences that 95% of the signals between the vagus

nerve and the brain (or CNS) are from the vagus

nerve to the brain.

 

I have not seen any reseach data on how these signals

are interpreted by the brain, but I speculatively suggest

that cravings may be real; and that they may be signals sent

by the second brain to the first brain via the vagus nerve.

Perhaps unconsiously. Perhaps as nutrient demands that

arise as " cravings " for a particular food item.

 

This is speculation, but I think it merits consideration. Perhaps,

we should understand that cravings work in tandem with

real hunger.

 

tev

 

 

 

 

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On Thursday 19 July 2007 18:14, tev treowlufu wrote:

> Dr. Gershon's research on the enteric nervous system

>   points out that the vagus nerve, which links

>   this " second brain " in the abdominal area--estimated

>   to contain over a billion nerve cells-- to the brain,

>   trasmits more signals than it receives. Further, he

>   evidences that 95% of the signals between the vagus

>   nerve and the brain (or CNS) are from the vagus

>   nerve to the brain.

>    

>   I have not seen any reseach data on how these signals

>   are interpreted by the brain, but I speculatively suggest

>   that cravings may be real; and that they may be signals sent

>   by the second brain to the first brain via the vagus nerve.

>   Perhaps unconsiously. Perhaps as nutrient demands that

>   arise as " cravings " for a particular food item.

>    

>   This is speculation, but I think it merits consideration. Perhaps,

>   we should understand that cravings work in tandem with

>   real hunger.

>    

>   tev

 

Hi Tev,

 

If you are interested, I came across some research a few years back by Dr

Candice Pert who went on to write the book " Molecules of Emotion " . And I also

understand that her " BodyWorks " programs came out of this research.

Unfortunately the original article I read does not seem to be available, but

this may help as an introduction to her work.

 

http://www.positivehealth.com/permit/Articles/Regular/butlin35.htm

 

small extract from above page.

 

" ... from reading Molecules of Emotion by Dr. Candace Pert. Through scientific

research she has provided the biochemical basis for awareness and

consciousness linking the mind and body as one. Her work demonstrates that

emotions are made in the cells of the body and brain through chemicals

binding to specific receptors on the surface of the cells, transmitting

information into the cells. The changes in the cells are then picked up by

nerve impulses travelling across the cell membrane to produce the

corresponding changes in behaviour, physical activity and mood. It is this

mechanism that stores memories and repressed emotions. "

 

Certainly from your post above the two seem definitely linked.

 

I haven't read the book but the article I did read was most compelling and

utterly fascinating.

 

neal.

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This page is much more informative and goes into more detail about the work of

Dr Candace Pert and the bodymind.

 

http://www.angelfire.com/hi/TheSeer/Pert.html

 

 

neal.

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Many thanks bro! Her work sounds fascinating.

Thanks for scrounging up the link.

 

BTW, I noticed I left off a link from my Gershon post.

 

I enclose it here:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/08/24/healthscience/snbrain.php

 

I look forward to delving into Dr. Pert's material.

Thanks again Neal!

 

tev

 

neal <kneel.pardoe wrote:

 

This page is much more informative and goes into more detail about the work of

Dr Candace Pert and the bodymind.

 

http://www.angelfire.com/hi/TheSeer/Pert.html

 

 

neal.

 

 

 

 

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I love Candace Pert. I have her book The Molecule Of Emotion and I have her 3 cd

lecture " Your Body Is Your Subconscious Mind " . I hate that she is not even

vegetarian, let alone vegan..... Animal cells record emotions, too. People eat

terror, fear and violence every day. Hmmm. You are what you eat! Look around,

folks... argh!

 

 

 

 

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I would think it perfectly natural to crave more fat in the winter,

because it is obviously an insulator and is also very energy

dense...the combination is perfect for winter.

 

The Inuit diet consisted of mainly meat and blubber from seals,

walruses, whales, and fish. They ate all this raw or aged in the snow

until almost almost liquefied - they called this " high fish " because

it was apparently so nutritionally healthy and easy to digest. But

they also ate all or most of the vital organs of the animals, and

likely also ate the stomach contents (though I am making this part

up), which would have been mainly sea-vegetable (plankton etc) matter

- this would have been a much smaller part of the diet if they ate it

at all - so don't try going and say they were vegans. In any case,

the first white men to study them in their natural habitat noted zero

heart disease, zero arthritis, no disease, etc. Since we taught them

the much better method of deep-frying food before you eat it, they

have inherited all of modern man's diseases.

The more southern Inuit ate Caribou, but they couldn't cook it much

because there is simply not much wood above the arctic tree-line. I

do know they would eat it raw if it was frozen first though.

 

I prefer raw veggies and fruit to raw fish myself!

 

 

Joe

 

 

> Hello all,

>

> Do you think the cravings are worse in the winter in

> cold climates?? Maybe this is kind of natural. I get

> a horrendous big appetite in the winter and it mostly

> seems I want lots of filling, fatty foods!!

>

> What do you all think of diets of people in the extreme

> north where growing anything is just not possible due to

> no growing season. Some natives of these extreme

> northern climates can live pretty long and no heart

> disease. I read a bio of an old Innuit woman once and

> she stated the only times she got sick and felt unwell

> was when she visited relatives in cities. That is

> pretty understandable if it involved an abrupt change in

> diet though.

>

> Thanks

>

> Kate

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On Friday 20 July 2007 21:34, tev treowlufu wrote:

> Many thanks bro! Her work sounds fascinating.

>   Thanks for scrounging up the link.

>    

>   BTW, I noticed I left off a link from my Gershon post.

>    

>   I enclose it here:

>   http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/08/24/healthscience/snbrain.php

>    

>   I look forward to delving into Dr. Pert's material.

>   Thanks again Neal!

>    

>   tev

 

Thanks for the link, read it.

 

I did my own lookup anyway on the enteric brain which is why I was reminded of

" molecules of emotion " .

 

In the article you reference above, I see it is said that Irritable Bowel

Syndrome is the result of excess Seratonin production, and it is the

Seratonin that causes IBS. And that diarhea is caused in the same way, by the

presence in excess of this hormone.

 

I remember you mention Eckhart Tolle, so do you know of the film " What the

Bleep do We Know " . Dr Pert features in it. It used to be viewable on Google

Video, but I cannot find a link now. Hehe, glad I downloaded my own copy.

 

neal.

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On Friday 20 July 2007 23:11, School Of Rawk wrote:

> I love Candace Pert. I have her book The Molecule Of Emotion and I have her

> 3 cd lecture " Your Body Is Your Subconscious Mind " .

 

I haven't read her book, but did read an article a few years back that covered

the core of her research findings. I particularly liked her describing the

body as " the physical manifestation of the mind " and it being so appropriate

in the light of her research.

 

> I hate that she is not

> even vegetarian, let alone vegan.....

 

she is a scientist.

 

> Animal cells record emotions, too.

> People eat terror, fear and violence every day.

 

Animal cells record emotions too. People eat terror

 

?

 

is that her or your opinion?

 

I have never seen anything to show animals expressing emotions and always

considered that a human projection. Can you disabuse me?

 

What about animals that eat animals, are they eating terror too?

 

 

> Hmmm. You are what you eat!

> Look around, folks... argh!

 

neal.

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Here is some information from Ross Horne's " Health in the 21st

Century " that many of you may find of interest. ~Janet

 

 

" The healthiest and longest-lived people in the world are accepted

generally to be the Hunzas of northern Pakistan and the people in the

Caucasus of Russia, whereas the shortest-lived are the Eskimos and

Lapplanders of the Arctic. Sir Robert McCarrison, Major General,

Indian Medical Service, described the Hunzas thus:

 

The diet of these people corresponds in many ways to that of the

Sikhs; but they eat less meat, and, their stocks being limited to

goats, their consumption of milk and milk products is less than that

of the Sikhs. But they are great fruit-eaters, especially of apricots

and mulberries, which they use in both the raw and sun-dried state.

The power of endurance of these people is extraordinary: to see a man

of this race throw off his scanty garments, revealing a figure which

would delight the eye of a Rodin, and plunge into a glacier-fed river

in the middle of winter with as much unconcern as many of us would

take a tepid bath, is to realize that perfection of physique and great

physical endurance are attainable on the simplest of foods, providing

these be of the right kind. These people are long-lived and vigorous

in old age. Among them, the ailments so common in our own

people--such as gastro-intestinal disorders, colitis, gastro and

duodenal ulcer and cancer--are extraordinarily uncommon, and I have no

doubt whatever in my own mind that their freedom from these scourges

of modern civilization is due to three things::

 

1. Their use of simple, natural foodstuffs of the right kind;

2. Their vigorous outdoor life; and

3. Their fine bracing climate.

 

With the Hunzas resistance to infection is remarkable . . .

gastro-intestinal complaints, dyspepsia, ulcers, colitis, and

appendicitis are at least as uncommon as they are common elsewhere.

Cancer is so rare that in nine years' practice I never came across a

single case of it.

 

The Eskimos* by comparison rated this description by Dr Samuel Hutton,

who observed them over the period 1902 to 1913, from his book Health

Conditions and Disease Incidence Among the Eskimos of Labrador:

 

Old age sets in at fifty and its signs are strongly marked at sixty.

In the years beyond sixty the Eskimo is aged and feeble.

Comparatively few live beyond sixty and only a very few reach seventy.

Those who live to such an age have spent a life of great activity,

feeding on Eskimo foods and engaging in characteristically Eskimo

pursuits . . . Careful records have been left by the missionaries

for more than a hundred years.

 

*The word Eskimo is derived from the language of the Cree Indians and

means " eater of raw meat " . It should be noted that the descriptions

given of both the Hunzas and the Eskimos are those made early in the

20th Century before they began to discard their traditional and more

primitive way of life.

 

It was also noted that the Eskimos had very low resistance to

infectious diseases and suffered severe osteoporosis as they got

older. A later study of a small population (about 1000) on the east

coast of Greenland by Hoygaard and Pedersen, Copenhagen 1941, showed

an average lifespan of only twenty-seven and a half years mainly due

to premature degeneration of adults. Their diet was ninety-five per

cent flesh food but it was not stated whether the Eskimos had adopted

the white man's practice of cooking their food.

 

There is the comparison. Dr McCarrison attributed the excellence of

the Hunzas to their diet, outdoor activity and bracing climate, so in

view of the fact the Eskimos also indulged in much outdoor activity in

a bracing climate, the distinction in their health status compared to

the Hunzas is clearly due to dietary differences. "

 

 

rawfood , " Joe Postma " <joepostma wrote:

 

I would think it perfectly natural to crave more fat in the winter,

because it is obviously an insulator and is also very energy

dense...the combination is perfect for winter.

 

The Inuit diet consisted of mainly meat and blubber from seals,

walruses, whales, and fish. They ate all this raw or aged in the snow

until almost almost liquefied - they called this " high fish " because

it was apparently so nutritionally healthy and easy to digest. But

they also ate all or most of the vital organs of the animals, and

likely also ate the stomach contents (though I am making this part

up), which would have been mainly sea-vegetable (plankton etc) matter

- this would have been a much smaller part of the diet if they ate it

at all - so don't try going and say they were vegans. In any case,

the first white men to study them in their natural habitat noted zero

heart disease, zero arthritis, no disease, etc. Since we taught them

the much better method of deep-frying food before you eat it, they

have inherited all of modern man's diseases.

The more southern Inuit ate Caribou, but they couldn't cook it much

because there is simply not much wood above the arctic tree-line. I

do know they would eat it raw if it was frozen first though.

 

I prefer raw veggies and fruit to raw fish myself!

 

 

Joe Hello all, Do you think the cravings are worse in the winter in

cold climates?? Maybe this is kind of natural. I get a horrendous

big appetite in the winter and it mostly seems I want lots of filling,

fatty foods!!

 

What do you all think of diets of people in the extreme north where

growing anything is just not possible due to no growing season. Some

natives of these extreme northern climates can live pretty long and no

heart disease. I read a bio of an old Innuit woman once and she

stated the only times she got sick and felt unwell was when she

visited relatives in cities. That is pretty understandable if it

involved an abrupt change in diet though.

 

Thanks Kate

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On Saturday 21 July 2007 12:30, Janet FitzGerald wrote:

> 1.      Their use of simple, natural foodstuffs of the right kind;

> 2.      Their vigorous outdoor life; and

> 3.      Their fine bracing climate.

 

Great info from the book, thankyou.

 

I find the first point above too simplistic.

What I have read and posted about before here, is the *quality* of the

foodstuffs. The Hunza region is a region that is irrigated by the snow melt

waters coming from the surrounding mountains and particularly from the

glaciers. Glaciers have a slow eroding effect upon the rock on which they

slowly glide and the resultant ground up material is then carried down to the

plains below to nourish the soil with a full range of minerals and trace

elements. The vast majority of the worlds' food supply is grown on land

deficient in the full range of minerals and trace elements because they have

been depleted by over use and lack of replenishment, which is mostly

nitrate/phosphate supplementation. Organic farming methods do not obviate

this problem. In this sense plants are just like us, feed nourishingly and

they prosper and will pass on that prosperity.

 

Also Eskimos may not be the best comparison. Their health and longevity

problems may not be diet, or wholly diet at least. Someone else on the list

mentioned the importance of sunlight, even classing it as nutriment. I have

read research by IIRC someone called Alexander Popp who discovered by

accident a level of operation within the body concerning light (photons)

which we get from our food.It is very interesting research.

 

So I would like to see a study where sunlight is not in question before

accepting findings as presented by Ross Horn.

 

neal.

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" they called this " high fish " because

it was apparently so nutritionally healthy and easy to digest "

 

Yes, it was fermented. How they got their veggies was from eating them out of

an animal's stomach, during digestion. I never think it's wise to really base

anything on the inuits or other radical diets because the body is a marvelous

machine, but it thrives on Vitamin D from the sun (and when it's cold 23 hrs a

day in Alaska--?) and fiber (see: digestive tract) and it is amazing in what it

can endure but do we want to follow what the body 'can' do or what it is

designed to do, for optimal living? I mean I know nobody here is suggesting we

eat like them, so I totally " get that " . But it's just an interesting topic. I

mean, are humans SUPPOSED to be living in that climate, anyways? I think it's an

anomaly, honestly. And I've read that their lifespan was like 40, surely due to

the elements, too. Have others read that too? Also, yeah, I think when it's

colder it's normal to crave fattier foods. Our body works harder to stay at 98.6

degrees when it's cold, I believe. Probably

why inuits run out of life force so young-? Just a discussion. I'm no eskimo

expert, but I've read some stuff. Would love to know what others know about it.

Erica

 

 

 

 

 

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I've never tried BBQ sauce on rice or noodles. My uncle used to use BBQ

sauce on the veggies he'd grill - I hadn't thought about that until you

posted this! That was the best part of the dinner to me - tomatoes,

pineapple, peppers, etc. all put in one of those box things you use on a

grill and then he'd brush them w/ the sauce when they got close to done. I

do keep some around all the time and put on my veggie chicken patties or

hamburgers.

 

 

 

On Behalf Of akfral

Saturday, November 10, 2007 6:39 PM

 

Re: cravings

 

 

In a message dated 11/10/2007 7:31:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

Rhoda.Jayne writes:

 

And barbequed rice

probably sounds strange to some of you, I'll bet!! It would sound weird to

my husband so I won't tell him what I ate today!

 

 

 

its good on noodles too.

 

 

 

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