Guest guest Posted August 2, 2007 Report Share Posted August 2, 2007 And the same overwhelming majority of RFs have an almost impossible time achieving and sustaining 100% raw. Depends what you want in life ... maximum vitality and energy, or momentary sensory pleasure, or .... Until you let go of the sensory stimulants, you will never achieve your potential for sensory self-awareness, and there will always be things you simply don't know or get to experience ... including optimal vitality. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of School Of Rawk Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:55 AM rawfood [Raw Food] Re: New to Raw Diet and have some ?'s " There are MANY versions of a raw vegan diet. Many are attempts to recreate a Standard diet with raw foods. To me that seems to defeat the purpose of making choices to be as healthy as possible. " Once again, that is only an opinion. The overwhelming majority of raw foodists have no problem with making tuna salad out of whole sheet dulse and sprouted almonds and some seasonings, and it is simply not true that such a meal " defeats the purpose of being raw " . For most, it is the only reason they are able to BE raw.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2007 Report Share Posted August 3, 2007 " And the same overwhelming majority of RFs have an almost impossible time achieving and sustaining 100% raw. Depends what you want in life ... maximum vitality and energy, or momentary sensory pleasure, or .... Until you let go of the sensory stimulants, you will never achieve your potential for sensory self-awareness, and there will always be things you simply don't know or get to experience ... including optimal vitality " . This is, once again, totally not true. Most are able to stay raw thanks to some of the meals they create, and not the other way around. And it's ludicrous to insinuate they don't have great health or vitality, apparently you have not met many of these raw foodists. ON the other hand, there are plenty of people who grow dangerously deficient on a Natural Hygiene diet. Please look at the whole picture! Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 For anyone that would like to learn more about Natural Hygiene, please go to www.soilandhealth.org and look up anything on the topic, especially anything written by Dr. Herbert Shelton. Also, Doug Graham practices natural hygiene, and he looks, well...not deficient. Janet rawfood , School Of Rawk <schoolofrawk wrote: > > This is, once again, totally not true. Most are able to stay raw thanks to some of the meals they create, and not the other way around. And it's ludicrous to insinuate they don't have great health or vitality, apparently you have not met many of these raw foodists. ON the other hand, there are plenty of people who grow dangerously deficient on a Natural Hygiene diet. Please look at the whole picture! > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Travel. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2007 Report Share Posted August 4, 2007 Also, Doug Graham > practices natural hygiene, and he looks, well...not deficient. > > Janet > I'm not saying DG " is " or " is not " deficient, but I would definitely say that looks don't mean anything. I see plenty of " healthy looking " SAD dieters all the time. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 " All substances are poisons: there is none which is not a poison. The right dose differentiates a poison and a remedy. " Paracelsus (1493-1541) Elchanan, your example of fallacious reasoning to draw erroneous conclusions in order to convey contempt only shows how disrespectful, rude, and fascistic you are. Please show the stats of RFs who have failed because they use recipes. Support your claim with anything other than your opinion. Suggesting that only 100% raw will result in " optimal vitality " is also erroneous. There are plenty of vigorous, vital vegans who are only partially raw or only mostly raw. Suggesting that those who do not follow your prescriptions for " sensory self-awareness " will fall short of their potential smacks of rhetorical zealotry. That can't be healthy, nor optimal. tev " Most of the so-called bad things that happen in people's lives are due to unconsciousness.....they are self created, or rather ego-created.... " drama " . When you are fully conscious, drama does not come into your life anymore....the basic ego patterns are designed to combat it's own deep seated fear and sense of lack [of self esteem]. They are resistance, control, power, greed, defence, and attack. Some of the ego's strategies are extremely clever, yet they never truly solve any of it's problems, simply because the ego is the problem itself. " (The Power of the NOW by Eckhart Tolle p150) Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: And the same overwhelming majority of RFs have an almost impossible time achieving and sustaining 100% raw. Depends what you want in life ... maximum vitality and energy, or momentary sensory pleasure, or .... Until you let go of the sensory stimulants, you will never achieve your potential for sensory self-awareness, and there will always be things you simply don't know or get to experience ... including optimal vitality. Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of School Of Rawk Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:55 AM rawfood [Raw Food] Re: New to Raw Diet and have some ?'s " There are MANY versions of a raw vegan diet. Many are attempts to recreate a Standard diet with raw foods. To me that seems to defeat the purpose of making choices to be as healthy as possible. " Once again, that is only an opinion. The overwhelming majority of raw foodists have no problem with making tuna salad out of whole sheet dulse and sprouted almonds and some seasonings, and it is simply not true that such a meal " defeats the purpose of being raw " . For most, it is the only reason they are able to BE raw.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 There is no reason to attack anyone on this list. What Elchanan shares with this group is generally not new material. Much of what Elchanan generously teaches has been sitting on library shelves for well over a century. And, his opinion matters to me. If I needed scientific facts for everything I do, I wouldn't be eating raw at all. It takes an open mind to lead a raw lifestyle, and more so to follow various paths. Please, everyone, be kind. We are here to learn. Agree to disagree. Groups can disband overnight over things like this and then who is to gain? (rhetorical - no need to respond) Janet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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