Cleaning our food

[Guest guest]

Hey Margaret, I grow organic gardens and herbs as well.

I think the issue with your farmer is all the scare with produce in the

last year!

He is protecting his hide! OR unfamiliar with some of the issues and how to

avoid them.

The problem is that some items that would normally be considered organic(to

especially include maure!!) have been contaminated by NON organic items!

I am not familiar with your grower, but here is how I myself, adn some of my

fellow gardeners get around these issues.

1.The composted manure that I use in my garden is not purchased from anyone

else.

It comes directly from my chickens ( my boys eat eggs and so I provide them

with the best there is-our own) My chickens unlike chickens form the farmers

coop do not start out pumped full of junk!

They have started off organic and are fed from my gardens as well as my

juicing pulp. I have had " true " organic grain shipped in to feed them , as

all free range chicken are supplemented with food somehow, mine are NOT

supplemented with roundup ready corn feed.

here is some info about them

http://sunflower-meadows-eggs.blogspot.com/

 

2. I only use " composted " manure when I do use manure. Usually it is just

added into one of the compost piles and heats things up nicely. NEVER

directly on the garden!!

 

3.The best fertilizers are molasses and fish emaulsion or seaweed fish

emulsion blend.

If you absolutely do not want animal near your food go with seaweed and

molasses!

 

 

We do wash our veggies BUT never with bleach!

Growing your own organic container type gardens is fairly easy even in a

small space.

I can send you inof on how to make containers of you like.

 

 

--

Sharie

http://sunflower-meadows-sharie.blogspot.com/

Mom to 5 Great kids, 3 adopted kittens, 20+ chickens ,one old dog ,one newly

adopted puppy who chews on everything, one Awesome Hubby,a growing

organic garden, herb beds, lots of Soap and other goodies too! )

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

On Tuesday 04 September 2007 03:26, Margaret Gamez wrote:

> Have you ever heard of dirt?

>

> Margaret

 

Hi Margaret,

 

I wash my produce too using a 3% solution of h2o2. Better in my opinion than

clorox, sounds like another exercise by the chemical mfrs to use a natural

substance adulterated with another chemical so it can be patented. However I

wash because we live in an inescapable toxic world.

 

However dirt!

 

Have you heard of geophagy?

 

from Websters

Noun: the practice of eating earthy substances (as clay) that in humans is

performed especially to augment a scanty or mineral-deficient diet or as part

of a cultural tradition.

 

I do this today. I put a little 'green clay' in water drinks occasionally. It

is a good source of minerals and excellent at absorbing toxins in the gut and

promoting a healthy gut bioculture. I also do a similar thing with water and

paramagnetic rock dust, which is basically ground up rock. Yep, just like

there used to be in our soils.

 

Both of these activities would have happened naturally before we had

industrialised water systems. (My pets have also taught me in this regard,

they would never touch crap water (oops that should be tap water but will

go and drink from dirty puddles. I used to think they were just being

awkward! LOL. but that was how I was conditioned to think at that time.

 

*Dirt* - this is the negative propaganda name for what is essentially mineral

dust, but also carries the connotations of unhealthy, unclean, potentially

harmful.

 

neal.

[Guest guest]

Margaret,

 

I have heard of dirt.

 

I think there is a HUGE, HUGE difference in washing dirt off your food and

soaking your food in bleach. What you suggested to the group wasn't washing

dirt off, it was soaking food in toxic chemcials and I think the other members

of raw food should consider the dangers of what you suggested.

 

For example Sodium hydroxide is one of the hazardous ingredients of Clorox

Bleach. (per MSDS sheets provided by the Clorox Company) A quick internet

search resulted in the following information regarding Sodium hydroxide:

 

How can sodium hydroxide affect my health? Sodium hydroxide is

very corrosive and can cause severe burns in all tissues that come in contact

with it. Inhalation of low levels of sodium hydroxide as dusts, mists or

aerosols may cause irritation of the nose, throat, and respiratory airways.

Inhalation of higher levels can produce swelling or spasms of the upper airway

leading to obstruction and loss of measurable pulse; inflammation of the lungs

and accumulation of fluid in the lungs may also occur.

Ingestion of solid or liquid sodium hydroxide can cause spontaneous vomiting,

chest and abdominal pain, and difficulty swallowing. Corrosive injury to the

mouth, throat, esophagus, and stomach is very rapid and may result in

perforation, hemorrhage, and narrowing of the gastrointestinal tract. Case

reports indicate that death results from shock, infection of the corroded

tissues, lung damage, or loss of measurable pulse.

Skin contact with sodium hydroxide can cause severe burns with deep

ulcerations. Pain and irritation are evident within 3 minutes, but contact with

dilute solutions may not cause symptoms for several hours. Contact with the eye

may produce pain and irritation, and in severe cases, clouding of the eye and

blindness.

Long-term exposure to sodium hydroxide in the air may lead to ulceration of

the nasal passages and chronic skin irritation

We do not know if exposure to sodium hydroxide could affect reproduction in

humans.

 

(article from: http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts178.html#bookmark05)

 

Quite frankly, I think we are better off eating dirt.

 

Leah

 

 

 

Re: Cleaning our food

Posted by: " Margaret Gamez " manifestnow manifestnow

Mon Sep 3, 2007 8:28 pm ((PDT))

 

I am the person who wrote the email (I am glad that someone tattled,

so that you would come out and give your august opinion)

 

I deal DIRECTLY with an organic farmer. I do what he suggests, as

regards the vegetables and fruit I receive from him. If he says wash,

I wash. He says wash. I wash.

 

My grandmother had an organic garden. We always washed what came out

of it, even if we were going to peel it.

 

Have you ever heard of dirt?

 

Margaret

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

DO NOT wash produce with detergent or *bleach* solutions. *Fruits* and

vegetables are porous and can absorb the detergent or *bleach*, which is not

intended for use on foods and consuming them on *fruits* and vegetables have

the potential to make you sick.

 

Its common sense people, basic common sense. Why the debate?

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Ginger,

I was wondering which natural/organic cleaner you are using to

clean your fruits and greens. I had recently purchased BioKleen for

washing produce; however I was told that it isn't really all that

natural, so I just went back to using filtered water and rubbing off the

dirt with my hand or a vegetable brush (all organic produce, by the

way). Just wondering if there is something better than the BioKleen brand.

Thanks,

Lynne

 

> I don't think there is anything to " look into " , it just sounds as if this

> person is misguided and needs to be educated as to the harm she/he is

> introducing to themselves by using bleach to clean their food. As a rule I

> wash all foods with a natural/organic cleaner as I don't know who has

> handled my fruits and veggies between the grower and the HFS/Organic

> Market

> shelf. No one is perfect and many things can happen along the way so I do

> advocate at least washing foods before eating. Its really all just basic

> common sense anyway..

>

>

[Guest guest]

I will ask my uncle for the name of it as I cant recall right now. I do

know that it comes in a spray bottle with fruits and veggies on the label

and its all organic.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

<http://www.veggie-wash.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=654912947 & type=store>

 

 

 

http://www.veggie-wash.com/

 

 

On 9/4/07, Ginger <gingerlatte wrote:

>

> I will ask my uncle for the name of it as I cant recall right now. I do

> know that it comes in a spray bottle with fruits and veggies on the label

> and its all organic.

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

" I'm becoming more and more myself with time. I guess that's what grace is.

The refinement of your soul through time. " ...

 

" I have the will of a sledgehammer. What would you do if you knew you

couldn't fail?

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

*Ingredients* as listed on the bottle: *Water, natural cleaners made from

corn and coconut, lemon oil, sodium citrate (a natural derivative of citrus

fruit), glycerin (from coconut oil), and grapefruit seed extract.*

 

 

On 9/4/07, Ginger <gingerlatte wrote:

>

>

<http://www.veggie-wash.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=654912947 & type=store>

>

>

>

> http://www.veggie-wash.com/

>

>

> On 9/4/07, Ginger <gingerlatte wrote:

> >

> > I will ask my uncle for the name of it as I cant recall right now. I do

> > know that it comes in a spray bottle with fruits and veggies on the label

> > and its all organic.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> " I'm becoming more and more myself with time. I guess that's what grace

> is. The refinement of your soul through time. " ...

>

> " I have the will of a sledgehammer. What would you do if you knew you

> couldn't fail?

 

 

 

 

--

" I'm becoming more and more myself with time. I guess that's what grace is.

The refinement of your soul through time. " ...

 

" I have the will of a sledgehammer. What would you do if you knew you

couldn't fail?

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Ginger!!

Lynne

>

> I will ask my uncle for the name of it as I cant recall right now. I do

> know that it comes in a spray bottle with fruits and veggies on the label

> and its all organic.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes but there is also the practice of people handling the food/fruit/veggies

we eat with unclean hands. Hands that have touched their genitals, picked

their noses, touched other animals and the like. Dirt is just that, dirt,

but also comes from dirty surroundings and mixed with other unknown and

unclean things that can make most people sick. Everyone doesnt have an

immune system that would tolerate foreign " dirt " to which it has never been

introduced so your presentation of DIRT as a propaganda is a bit unfounded.

 

We can be natural until the cows come home but we ought to be clean as well.

 

You seem to give the kind of advice that serves to prove a point than meet

the need of the question being asked. Most people arent going to those

extents to wash their foods other than water and/or an organic cleaner.

There is nothing wrong living in an industrialized society, we were built

with brains so that we would evolve and not do the things our ancestors did

for food wayyyyyyyyyyy back when.

 

Sometimes I think people take the raw food (living like our ancestors thing

too far-my opinion). We are living for life, way better than our ancestors

did, not that many of us really know what that was anyway.

 

On 9/4/07, neal <kneel.pardoe wrote:

>

> On Tuesday 04 September 2007 03:26, Margaret Gamez wrote:

> > Have you ever heard of dirt?

> >

> > Margaret

>

> Hi Margaret,

>

> I wash my produce too using a 3% solution of h2o2. Better in my opinion

> than

> clorox, sounds like another exercise by the chemical mfrs to use a natural

>

> substance adulterated with another chemical so it can be patented. However

> I

> wash because we live in an inescapable toxic world.

>

> However dirt!

>

> Have you heard of geophagy?

>

> from Websters

> Noun: the practice of eating earthy substances (as clay) that in humans is

>

> performed especially to augment a scanty or mineral-deficient diet or as

> part

> of a cultural tradition.

>

> I do this today. I put a little 'green clay' in water drinks occasionally.

> It

> is a good source of minerals and excellent at absorbing toxins in the gut

> and

> promoting a healthy gut bioculture. I also do a similar thing with water

> and

> paramagnetic rock dust, which is basically ground up rock. Yep, just like

> there used to be in our soils.

>

> Both of these activities would have happened naturally before we had

> industrialised water systems. (My pets have also taught me in this regard,

>

> they would never touch crap water (oops that should be tap water but

> will

> go and drink from dirty puddles. I used to think they were just being

> awkward! LOL. but that was how I was conditioned to think at that time.

>

> *Dirt* - this is the negative propaganda name for what is essentially

> mineral

> dust, but also carries the connotations of unhealthy, unclean, potentially

>

> harmful.

>

> neal.

>

>

 

 

 

--

" I'm becoming more and more myself with time. I guess that's what grace is.

The refinement of your soul through time. " ...

 

" I have the will of a sledgehammer. What would you do if you knew you

couldn't fail?

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

On Tuesday 04 September 2007 12:54, sharie lush wrote:

> I grow organic gardens and herbs as well.

 

Hi Sharie,

 

Do you know of rock dust for conditioning your soil too. Organic manures are

fine but dependent on the soil the organic material is fed by. Note we can

recycle organic manure which may contain minerals, but not the minerals

themselves. When they are used up they are used up.

 

this is a good article on soil and mineral quality/quantity.

 

http://www.organicgarden.org.uk/remineralisation/index.htm

 

and the Seer Centre has been using this method of remineralisation for a while

and is about to start a larger government funded study.

 

http://www.seercentre.org.uk/

 

neal.

[Guest guest]

Sharie,

 

Please send me info on how to make containers

 

Arvind

 

On 9/4/07, sharie lush <sdslush wrote:

>

> Hey Margaret, I grow organic gardens and herbs as well.

> I think the issue with your farmer is all the scare with produce in the

> last year!

> He is protecting his hide! OR unfamiliar with some of the issues and how

> to

> avoid them.

> The problem is that some items that would normally be considered

> organic(to

> especially include maure!!) have been contaminated by NON organic items!

> I am not familiar with your grower, but here is how I myself, adn some of

> my

> fellow gardeners get around these issues.

> 1.The composted manure that I use in my garden is not purchased from

> anyone

> else.

> It comes directly from my chickens ( my boys eat eggs and so I provide

> them

> with the best there is-our own) My chickens unlike chickens form the

> farmers

> coop do not start out pumped full of junk!

> They have started off organic and are fed from my gardens as well as my

> juicing pulp. I have had " true " organic grain shipped in to feed them , as

> all free range chicken are supplemented with food somehow, mine are NOT

> supplemented with roundup ready corn feed.

> here is some info about them

> http://sunflower-meadows-eggs.blogspot.com/

>

> 2. I only use " composted " manure when I do use manure. Usually it is just

> added into one of the compost piles and heats things up nicely. NEVER

> directly on the garden!!

>

> 3.The best fertilizers are molasses and fish emaulsion or seaweed fish

> emulsion blend.

> If you absolutely do not want animal near your food go with seaweed and

> molasses!

>

> We do wash our veggies BUT never with bleach!

> Growing your own organic container type gardens is fairly easy even in a

> small space.

> I can send you inof on how to make containers of you like.

>

> --

> Sharie

> http://sunflower-meadows-sharie.blogspot.com/

> Mom to 5 Great kids, 3 adopted kittens, 20+ chickens ,one old dog ,one

> newly

> adopted puppy who chews on everything, one Awesome Hubby,a growing

> organic garden, herb beds, lots of Soap and other goodies too! )

>

>

[Guest guest]

Neal,

 

Can you let me know more info about where I found find and how to consume

green clay and rock dust.

 

Arvind

 

 

On 9/4/07, neal <kneel.pardoe wrote:

>

> On Tuesday 04 September 2007 03:26, Margaret Gamez wrote:

> > Have you ever heard of dirt?

> >

> > Margaret

>

> Hi Margaret,

>

> I wash my produce too using a 3% solution of h2o2. Better in my opinion

> than

> clorox, sounds like another exercise by the chemical mfrs to use a natural

>

> substance adulterated with another chemical so it can be patented. However

> I

> wash because we live in an inescapable toxic world.

>

> However dirt!

>

> Have you heard of geophagy?

>

> from Websters

> Noun: the practice of eating earthy substances (as clay) that in humans is

>

> performed especially to augment a scanty or mineral-deficient diet or as

> part

> of a cultural tradition.

>

> I do this today. I put a little 'green clay' in water drinks occasionally.

> It

> is a good source of minerals and excellent at absorbing toxins in the gut

> and

> promoting a healthy gut bioculture. I also do a similar thing with water

> and

> paramagnetic rock dust, which is basically ground up rock. Yep, just like

> there used to be in our soils.

>

> Both of these activities would have happened naturally before we had

> industrialised water systems. (My pets have also taught me in this regard,

>

> they would never touch crap water (oops that should be tap water but

> will

> go and drink from dirty puddles. I used to think they were just being

> awkward! LOL. but that was how I was conditioned to think at that time.

>

> *Dirt* - this is the negative propaganda name for what is essentially

> mineral

> dust, but also carries the connotations of unhealthy, unclean, potentially

>

> harmful.

>

> neal.

>

>

 

 

 

--

 

" The Earth is not dying - she is being killed. And those who are killing her

have names and addresses. " — Utah Phillips

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I think it is important to clean produce well especially fruits and

vegetables that are grown near or touch the ground. Amoebas as well

as parasites can be transfered to the soil by way of stagnant

irrigation water as such in California. My favorite to clean produce

is Grapefruit Seed Extract (GSE) It is a non- toxic natural quaternary

compound. Another way i recommend for nuts and seeds is to use

ozonenated water.

[Guest guest]

Ginger, you've reminded me of some conversations with food chemists a couple

of years back. These were food chemists who worked specifically with

processing organic fruits and vegetables coming in from the fields. They

would spray off some of the begetables with water, NONE of the fruits,

before freezing or other processing. The company: Cascadian ... big stuff.

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Ginger

Tuesday, September 04, 2007 6:49 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Cleaning our food

 

 

DO NOT wash produce with detergent or *bleach* solutions. *Fruits* and

vegetables are porous and can absorb the detergent or *bleach*, which is not

intended for use on foods and consuming them on *fruits* and vegetables have

the potential to make you sick.

 

Its common sense people, basic common sense. Why the debate?

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Whats your point? How does that relate to my washing fruit with an organic

cleaner?

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I use a mixture of 1 part hydrogen peroxide and 2 parts water. IF you do a

search of health benefits of cleaning foods with peroxide you will find a good

deal of info on this!! Happy Washing!! Shelley

 

 

 

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There is an Indian legend which says: " When a human dies there is a bridge

they must cross to enter into Heaven. At the head of that bridge waits every

animal that human encountered during their lifetime. The animals, based on what

they know of this person, decide which humans may cross the bridge...and which

are turned away. " __._

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Sounds unhealthful to me. Do some serious research on the term " natural " .

You'll find that it's virtually meaningless, as a term of commerce.

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Ginger

Tuesday, September 04, 2007 9:31 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Cleaning our food

 

 

*Ingredients* as listed on the bottle: *Water, natural cleaners made from

corn and coconut, lemon oil, sodium citrate (a natural derivative of citrus

fruit), glycerin (from coconut oil), and grapefruit seed extract.*

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yes I am and quite ok with it. Ill take that over dirt any day.

 

Keep in mind here fellas I have no desire to trump anyone here by

acting a guru. We're all here to learn. What works for me may not be

to your liking and vice versa. Rspect it or leave the snarky comments

to yourselves.

 

On 9/4/07, neal <kneel.pardoe wrote:

> On Tuesday 04 September 2007 18:04, Ginger wrote:

> > There is nothing wrong living in an industrialized society,

>

> to quote a well known former tennis star

>

> " you cannot be serious! "

>

> neal.

>

 

 

--

" I'm becoming more and more myself with time. I guess that's what

grace is. The refinement of your soul through time. " ...

 

" I have the will of a sledgehammer. What would you do if you knew you

couldn't fail?

[Guest guest]

On Tuesday 04 September 2007 18:04, Ginger wrote:

> There is nothing wrong living in an industrialized society,

 

to quote a well known former tennis star

 

" you cannot be serious! "

 

neal.

[Guest guest]

On Tuesday 04 September 2007 18:40, Arvind Kumar wrote:

> Neal,

>

> Can you let me know more info about where I found find and how to consume

> green clay and rock dust.

>

> Arvind

 

Hi Arvind,

 

here's some info on green clay;

 

http://www.regenerativenutrition.com/content.asp?id=128

 

this article is about superbiomin (the rock dust)

 

http://www.regenerativenutrition.com/content.asp?id=37

 

this site is where I get mine from.

 

neal.

[Guest guest]

What a lot of reaction to dirt!!!

 

I vote for a little dirt in my diet.

 

I know where the majority of my produce is grown locally.

And about half my fruit is currently local and from known sources.

 

Years ago I would soak all fruit and veggies in 6% H2O2 for about 15

minutes.

Then I started to look at my own garden veggies. They all come with a

bit of soil on them.

I noticed my younger son didn't mind a bit of dirt. Neither did the

animals.

Seemed that this was another modern human paranoia - dirt!

Gotta get it out of the house, off the body, off the car and off the

food.

So I started to just rinse them under water to get off the big clumps.

 

No longer give it any thought unless brought up by someone else...

 

--Unless I'm in a rare situation where I can't get any organic foods.

Then I certainly don't want to add what's in the soil to what's in

the food...!

 

..wyn

 



http://www.TheRawRetreat.com

o) 888.EAT.RAW4LIFE

f) 877.236.6999

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yuck, worms live in dirt!

 

Kat

 

rawfood , The Raw Retreat <therawretreat

wrote:

>

> What a lot of reaction to dirt!!!

>

> I vote for a little dirt in my diet.

>

> I know where the majority of my produce is grown locally.

> And about half my fruit is currently local and from known sources.

>

> Years ago I would soak all fruit and veggies in 6% H2O2 for about

15

> minutes.

> Then I started to look at my own garden veggies. They all come with

a

> bit of soil on them.

> I noticed my younger son didn't mind a bit of dirt. Neither did

the

> animals.

> Seemed that this was another modern human paranoia - dirt!

> Gotta get it out of the house, off the body, off the car and off

the

> food.

> So I started to just rinse them under water to get off the big

clumps.

>

> No longer give it any thought unless brought up by someone else...

>

> --Unless I'm in a rare situation where I can't get any organic

foods.

> Then I certainly don't want to add what's in the soil to what's in

> the food...!

>

> .wyn

>

> 

> http://www.TheRawRetreat.com

> o) 888.EAT.RAW4LIFE

> f) 877.236.6999

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

" ...If he says wash, I wash. Have you ever heard of dirt?... "

 

I have stayed relatively quiet on this board. However, this issue and

your response REALLY stuck out to me. First, I'll respond with my

opinion on the issue. We do wash our fruits & veggies, but only with

good, old-fashioned water...and yes...we HAVE heard of dirt. A little

dirt never hurt anyone. The contrary is true, in fact. Not enough

dirt is harmful to one's health. Literally. People are not being

exposed to near enough germ's in today's society. Before you go on a

rant, I didn't say a lot or too much or a mound full...I said...a

LITTLE. There is a difference.

 

Now, for my soap box. As my mother used to say, " I sure hope your

organic farmer never tells you to jump off a bridge " , or something

like that. I am truly SHOCKED and AMAZED that an ORGANIC farmer would

tell you to wash produce in BLEACH. That bewilders me. I have never

known one organic farmer whether certified or not in any of the 6

states I have lived in that would ever recommend that type of

cleansing for their produce to anyone.

 

I do hope you'll post the name of your " organic " farmer here so we'll

be able to avoid him in case he's doing some " closet " cleaning of his

own that he's not telling people about before distributing the

produce. You never know and we can't be too careful these days.

 

Amy

[Guest guest]

My mother told us we had to eat at least a peck of dirt before we die. I

think I'm almost there.

 

On 9/6/07, garyamythompsonjr <garyamythompsonjr wrote:

>

> " ...If he says wash, I wash. Have you ever heard of dirt?... "

>

> I have stayed relatively quiet on this board. However, this issue and

> your response REALLY stuck out to me. First, I'll respond with my

> opinion on the issue. We do wash our fruits & veggies, but only with

> good, old-fashioned water...and yes...we HAVE heard of dirt. A little

> dirt never hurt anyone. The contrary is true, in fact. Not enough

> dirt is harmful to one's health. Literally. People are not being

> exposed to near enough germ's in today's society. Before you go on a

> rant, I didn't say a lot or too much or a mound full...I said...a

> LITTLE. There is a difference.

>

> Now, for my soap box. As my mother used to say, " I sure hope your

> organic farmer never tells you to jump off a bridge " , or something

> like that. I am truly SHOCKED and AMAZED that an ORGANIC farmer would

> tell you to wash produce in BLEACH. That bewilders me. I have never

> known one organic farmer whether certified or not in any of the 6

> states I have lived in that would ever recommend that type of

> cleansing for their produce to anyone.

>

> I do hope you'll post the name of your " organic " farmer here so we'll

> be able to avoid him in case he's doing some " closet " cleaning of his

> own that he's not telling people about before distributing the

> produce. You never know and we can't be too careful these days.

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> Amy

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--

Donna

 

" No one is defined by a single act, good or bad. Just as you cannot rest

forever on the laurels of a moment of brilliance or heroism, neither can you

wear forever the thorns and ash of any single moment of anger, weakness or

evil. Those moments are a part of what makes us who we are, but not as big a

part as those mundane, everyday choices and events that are the bulk of our

lives. "