general bickering

[Guest guest]

hi i joined this group a few weeks back hoping to get positive

encouragement and constructive advice, but whilst some of the messages

posted are interesting there is a componant that either want to

antagonise or play games of one up man ship. Yes debate is healthy

and yes we we need to see both sides of the story but do i want to

continually read how its ok to eat meat ?, go boozing and eat burgers

(talk about peer pressure,why not pop a few drugs and smoke a packet

or two of ciggies as well after all we want to be part of the norm

dont we. (Then of course if i dont , i must be a geriatric.)

i am beginning to wonder if some of the members have a vested interest

in the meat industry.

To be honest constructive debate is interesting but bickering is not,

so consequently ive had enough and believe its going nowhere and

wasting my megabyte allowance , so im leaving the group today,

kind regards paul

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " paul " <boabmagick wrote:

>

> hi i joined this group a few weeks back hoping to get positive

>encouragement and constructive advice,but whilst some of the messages

> posted are interesting there is a componant that either want to

> antagonise or play games of one up man ship. Yes debate is healthy

> and yes we we need to see both sides of the story but do i want to

> continually read how its ok to eat meat ?, go boozing …

 

 

alcohol is one of the fermented foods available to rawfooders: cider,

sauerkraut, rejuvulac, dehydrated yeast bread. Most wine is raw, but I

usually don't like wine. When I drink (last time was only a month ago)

I choose between a raw sake, and a raw beer. Most sake is cooked, but

you can find unpasteurized. Most beer is cooked; the only raw beer I

know of is the Belgium style. Not that I recommend beer or sake as a

valuable nutritional component, but I do know a few all raw food

eaters who make their own wine.

 

 

>To be honest constructive debate is interesting but bickering is not,

> so consequently ive had enough and believe its going nowhere and

> wasting my megabyte allowance , so im leaving the group today,

 

 

Let me join others in expressing deep sorrow at your departure. I am

sure we will all miss your valuable contributions in the few weeks you

have been here: your advice, your support, and most importantly, your

good humor. Thank you for your inspiring example.

[Guest guest]

I have to agree with Paul's sentiments about this group. I too joined in

hopes that it would be a great place to share information and discuss ways

to support each other. However, since joining this group I have been

witness to mostly one upmanship by Elchanan and others. I am not sure if

this is what this group is about but it surely hasnt been supportive or

promoting of sharing information without someone (ie Elchanan) shooting it

down with little to no proof to back it up. And, frankly that frustrates

me. I did not join Elchanan's group, I joined the Rawfood and I

don't feel that this is a space in a newbie such as myself would come to

seek out and find information outside of what is in the files because all I

see day in and day out are members going back about their own personal

opinions about who is right with no other goal in mind other than to prove

that they are right. Why aren't other members sharing or speaking up? I

tire to see the same people debating the same old tired topic that they can

take to their own email boxes. But no, they need a stage in which to prove

to the masses who's the better guru. Im not interested.

 

All these debates are going no where. I tire of seeing Elchanan debate the

breeze with others because of their opinions. Much of what rawfoodists know

and already practice is out there and established by others who started on

this journey before us. So I am not sure why we are debating such things as

salt, where to buy food and the like. Grow up. I hope that we are all

adults here and can act as such moving forward. If not, I too am leaving

the group. I am a member of quite a few raw foodist groups and by far this

group has been the most uninformative to date. I feel as if I am watching

children plead their case for chocolate cookies to grandma. There is no

passion here, just people more interested in having their opinions be

asserted as the facts/truth with no proof behind it. Take it to your own

email boxes or just don't at all. I know for a fact that I am not the only

member feeling this way. Food for thought people!

 

On 9/15/07, paul <boabmagick wrote:

>

> hi i joined this group a few weeks back hoping to get positive

> encouragement and constructive advice, but whilst some of the messages

> posted are interesting there is a componant that either want to

> antagonise or play games of one up man ship. Yes debate is healthy

> and yes we we need to see both sides of the story but do i want to

> continually read how its ok to eat meat ?, go boozing and eat burgers

> (talk about peer pressure,why not pop a few drugs and smoke a packet

> or two of ciggies as well after all we want to be part of the norm

> dont we. (Then of course if i dont , i must be a geriatric.)

> i am beginning to wonder if some of the members have a vested interest

> in the meat industry.

> To be honest constructive debate is interesting but bickering is not,

> so consequently ive had enough and believe its going nowhere and

> wasting my megabyte allowance , so im leaving the group today,

> kind regards paul

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

" I'm becoming more and more myself with time. I guess that's what grace is.

The refinement of your soul through time. " ...

 

" I have the will of a sledgehammer. What would you do if you knew you

couldn't fail?

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I used to like eating ginger cookies. But, they weren't good for me,

so I stopped.

 

Janet ;-)

 

rawfood , Ginger <gingerlatte wrote:

I am a member of quite a few raw foodist groups and by far this

group has been the most uninformative to date. I feel as if I am

watching children plead their case for chocolate cookies to grandma.

[Guest guest]

Can you recommend a raw beer brand please? I would like to try this.

Thanks.

 

 

rawfood , " rahtymz " < wrote:

>

> rawfood , " paul " <boabmagick@> wrote:

> >

> > hi i joined this group a few weeks back hoping to get positive

> >encouragement and constructive advice,but whilst some of the messages

> > posted are interesting there is a componant that either want to

> > antagonise or play games of one up man ship. Yes debate is healthy

> > and yes we we need to see both sides of the story but do i want to

> > continually read how its ok to eat meat ?, go boozing …

>

>

> alcohol is one of the fermented foods available to rawfooders: cider,

> sauerkraut, rejuvulac, dehydrated yeast bread. Most wine is raw, but I

> usually don't like wine. When I drink (last time was only a month ago)

> I choose between a raw sake, and a raw beer. Most sake is cooked, but

> you can find unpasteurized. Most beer is cooked; the only raw beer I

> know of is the Belgium style. Not that I recommend beer or sake as a

> valuable nutritional component, but I do know a few all raw food

> eaters who make their own wine.

>

>

> >To be honest constructive debate is interesting but bickering is not,

> > so consequently ive had enough and believe its going nowhere and

> > wasting my megabyte allowance , so im leaving the group today,

>

>

> Let me join others in expressing deep sorrow at your departure. I am

> sure we will all miss your valuable contributions in the few weeks you

> have been here: your advice, your support, and most importantly, your

> good humor. Thank you for your inspiring example.

>

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " danielladotti " <sheisaceo wrote:

>

> Can you recommend a raw beer brand please? I would like to try this.

> Thanks.

 

my favorite is the liter bottle of duvel, the light double.

the triple chimay tastes too bitter and dark for me.

if you are able to find it, let me give you some advice

pour slowly into a very wide glass, like a pyrex measuring cup

otherwise, you will be left with a glass of overflowing foam.

 

i haven't had any alcohol since i finally got 14 new caps, a month ago.

it took 9 months, much longer than i had thought possible

and turned out to be another very regrettable mistake of my life.

my choice of dentist, and my tendency to be intimidated, combined to

be my horror.

the temporaries were always falling out every day, and it was

impossible to eat well. i drank too much. now that my teeth are stable

enough to chew again, i don't drink. i am sure i will drink beer and

sake again, but i hope it never becomes a regular thing in the future.

 

if i knew that it was going to take so long, i would have left the

dentist and forfeited the money. if i knew it was going to take so

long, i would have switched to a vitamix diet. but it was always just

another week left. sheesh

 

jrellis

 

excerpt from

http://www.campuscircle.net/review.cfm?r=3168

 

Maredsous 8, brewed by the makers of Duvel, which licensed the brand

from the Benedictines. It's a dobbel, or double, ale; Belgian brewers

also make a tripel.

 

Both terms refer to the amount of malt used, sometimes corresponding

with higher alcohol content. This dark, smooth, drinkable ale is

richly flavored with notes of fruit and molasses.

 

Duvel, originally a dark ale, was lightened up by the Moortgat family

in response to rising demand for light-colored lagers in the 1970s,

according to British beer authority Roger Protz. It's a blended beer

that goes through three fermentations, resulting in a flavorful ale

with lashings of foam, almost whipped-egg-white thick.

 

Chimay is probably the widest known of Belgian Trappist ales. You

can't go wrong in search of either good taste or a soulful experience

with Chimay Blue (a dark ale, labeled " Grande Reserve " ), Red (a

dark-brown dobbel) or White (a crisp and bitter golden ale labeled

" Cinq Cents " ).