Vores (WAS: Eskimo Longevity and Meat Consumption [Brief])

[Guest guest]

> Eating meat in any quantity is a vote that says it is acceptable.

> And, perhaps there are those who are becoming conscious while

> struggling with their addiction to flesh. It is a choice, is all, and

> not fanaticism, to respect all living creatures.

>

> Janet

>

 

Very well put, Janet. To suggest a truly humane way of eating meat is

like suggesting a humane way to molest kids or drown your neighbor's

dog. They are mutually-exclusive. When slavery was brought to an end,

it was due to abolitionists, not welfarists. Meaning that simply

working to " minimalize " the suffering of slaves or working to make

slavery more " acceptable " is just impossible. When people suggest that

animal slaver can be done properly, with " respect " to the animals, I

wonder how they would have adjusted African American slavery to be more

acceptable or less-shocking and more humane. And then you realize how

ridiculous it truly is of a concept.

[Guest guest]

On Saturday 15 September 2007 19:34, Erica wrote:

> I really this argument is ridiculous. Does this mean that people who

> kill their children should not be held accountable or faulted because

> most of America mows their lawn, and they are essentially the same

> thing? According to the above, it does......  

 

sigh.

 

> Nuff said. The basis of

> suffering lies in science, and it revolves around the presence of a

> nervous system, for starters.

 

Nonsense!

 

see;

http://www.department13designs.com/vegan.html

 

" DALLAS--Research scientists at Baylor Medical Center have proven that plants,

including vegetables, feel pain when subjected to trauma such as being yanked

out of the ground, peeled, cooked, and eaten. " Veggies and plants initiate a

massive hormone and chemical barrage internally when they suffer any kind of

injury, " says professor Barry Lindzer. " This response is akin to the nerve

response and endorphin release when an animal is injured. We cannot ignore

the similarities. "

 

Just type into a Google search box excluding the quotes " plants +pain " .

 

Plants also recognise their siblings see

 

http://physorg.com/news100963920.html

 

> To compare the slitting of a tortured

> cows neck for a cultural barbecue to the picking of a flower is just so

> insulting to life. Vegetation and Animals are inherently different.

> Honest to God.

 

Yes I am well aware they are different at species level, but both are forms of

organic life.

 

neal.

[Guest guest]

LOL, each of us is traveling his/her own road, eh? Ants, mosquitoes, and a

few others surely can be bothersome at times! I don't know ... I guess I'll

say that, in my opinion, it's a desirable direction in which to point

ourselves. And I do notice that, at least on a high-water-content program

and over time, people seem to become less attractive to biting insects ...

but not everyone, and not according to any timing formula. Perhaps this is

one of those things that will show up quite differently in a second RF

generation, a generation fed only RF mother's milk, then raw foods, from

birth. The rest of us may need to put in our 40 years in the Sinai, so to

speak.

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Caron

Sunday, September 16, 2007 7:26 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Vores (WAS: Eskimo Longevity and Meat Consumption

[brief])

 

 

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Elchanan

>Personally, I advocate the conscious choice to kill nothing.

 

I have to know - does this include mosquitoes?

 

Caron

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> I have to know - does this include mosquitoes?

>

> Caron

>

 

While seemingly a pest, I would be that if all mosquitos were

eradicated, it would offset something huge. Ditto for spiders, etc. I

loathe snakes, but without them, surely some other rodent would

procreate too much and become a problem. There is a balance in place,

as annoying or grotesque as some creatures may seem/be. Most people

hate bees, but without them, we are screwed, etc.

[Guest guest]

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Erica

>While seemingly a pest, I would be that if all mosquitos were

eradicated, it would offset something huge. Ditto for spiders, etc. I

loathe snakes, but without them, surely some other rodent would

procreate too much and become a problem. There is a balance in place,

as annoying or grotesque as some creatures may seem/be. Most people

hate bees, but without them, we are screwed, etc.

 

All true - there is a species of fish that only eats mosquitos. I like

spiders in the house to keep the fruit flies under control, and so on. I did

kill one that was being rather agressive around my boy when he was a newborn

(it was about 4 inches across), but only because it would have presented a

risk to all of us to relocate it - mama bear instinct there ;o) I'd never

wage war against any particular species though, just try to find a way to

redirect it out of my home. I don't see that I should sit by and watch a

mosquito bite my son, or myself, raising itchy red bumps, and run the risk

of being infected with a debilitating disease, just to preserve the sanctity

of life. I do brush them away where possible, and dress us appropriately

(long sleeves/pants), but swatting is often necessary.

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

but swatting is often necessary.

>

 

Being born and raised in Chicagoland, this is certainly forgiveable.

LOL!

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Erica!

 

Janet

 

rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote:

 

 

Janet said:

Eating meat in any quantity is a vote that says it is acceptable.

And, perhaps there are those who are becoming conscious while

struggling with their addiction to flesh. It is a choice, is all, and

not fanaticism, to respect all living creatures.

 

Erica said:

Janet Very well put, Janet. To suggest a truly humane way of eating

meat is like suggesting a humane way to molest kids or drown your

neighbor's dog. They are mutually-exclusive. When slavery was

brought to an end, it was due to abolitionists, not welfarists.

Meaning that simply working to " minimalize " the suffering of slaves or

working to make slavery more " acceptable " is just impossible. When

people suggest that animal slaver can be done properly, with " respect "

to the animals, I wonder how they would have adjusted African American

slavery to be more acceptable or less-shocking and more humane. And

then you realize how ridiculous it truly is of a concept.

[Guest guest]

....if you're some retired old man or old lady with little to do, or

some middle aged wife with a family, i.e., someone who longer has need for a

social life or close friends, then yes by all means experiment with completely

taking meat out of your diet. It will likely be the best thing for you. But for

those who are new or young and struggling with it, and who want to still go out

with the team and enjoy a beer and burger night after playing sports, by all

means if all you can only do is 90% raw well then that IS GREAT! ....

 

WOW Joe,

I'm seventy and all I can say is " you are in for a big surprise " ! You seem to

think that only the new and young have a need for close friends or a social

life. I just had lunch with seven of my friends and family this afternoon. Age

and food has no bearing on the need for personal relationships.

 

 

Sharon

In our hearts we plan our day, but it is God who determines our steps. Proverbs

16:9

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Well, you're obviously not an old person with nothing to do!

 

But yes, the words were inflammatory. So sorry, I love (some) old

people....hehehehe The message I was TRYING to send came in the next

couple of sentences.

 

Alas, let's get on with it and talk about raw food with some of the

new people who've been posting! " Experts " debating " guru's " is so

boring and pointless.

 

Cheers!

 

Joe