Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 I really understand your compassion for animals. Your post is confirming a conviction inside me. Eating meat has never felt right to me at all- especially since I live in California where it is so easy to get fresh produce. I tried in the past several times to become vegetarian just because of my love for animals but always went back =( I hate the intense suffering that they go through, it is just heartbreaking. I have found now(this was mentioned by someone in an earlier post as well) that the longer I go without it the less I also want to eat it. The fact that I am learning that it is NOT healthy is another reason. Not to get too off the subject but wanted to mention that because I am a Bible believing person of faith I believe that animals were originally created to kill each other for food and we were not created to eat them! We were created to be vegetarians eating raw fruit and veggies. Elchanan that stated " the farther we roam from the habitat for which we are ideally designed, the more challenging life becomes " . This makes me think and long for the Garden of Eden where the temp was perfect and everyone lived in harmony which is how it will be again some day. Animals go directly to the afterlife when they are killed where they never have to suffer again that is what comforts me...but to be a part in their distress in this life is what I would like to avoid in the future..... Thank you for your post! Kat rawfood , " Janet FitzGerald " <waxplanet wrote: > > >Given this is a raw food site, we find a lot of " meat is > > murder " fanatics here. > > Look at what our society does to one of the most docile creatures on > this earth. Industrial farms feed cows food not meant for their > consumption, including grain and blood, we pump them full of > antibiotics, cram them with other cows in lots, separate them from > their calves, give them growth hormones that make them produce 40,000 > gallons of milk (instead of the natural duration of the calf's needs), > cut off dairy cow's tails so humans don't get swatted while stealing > the milk, spray their skin with pesticides to make up for the lost > tail, then cram the cows into a truck and transport them to a > slaughterhouse where they are funneled into a single line as a man > stands with a gun ready to shoot each cow in the head, one at a time, > after which the cow is raised onto meat hooks and moved through the > line of atrocious acts, sometimes AND often, still conscious. > > Who is the fanatic here? > > Janet > > rawfood , " Joe Postma " <joepostma@> wrote: > > > > I certainly appreciate these sort of anecdotal reasoning methods...I > > use them myself occasionally. But in the end, anecdotes are simply > that. > > However, that is cool hearing about kids refusing meat and pregnant > > women refusing it. I've seen and heard that myself as well, and been > > annoyed as the mothers shove the crap food into their child's mouth > > because they are so worried the child needs more protein or calcium or > > whatever. > > On the other hand, I have been witness to a case where a child was > > raised vegetarian by vegetarian parents, and who was sickly and pale > > and week, and prone to illness. He (the child) improved when meat was > > introduced. Who knows why, maybe just simple deficiencies. But > > again, another anecdote. > > > > This is why I always return to science. I suppose I am more > > interested in eating a " natural " diet than anything else. I think an > > honest analysis of our anatomy, evolutionary and written history, and > > long-term nutritional needs indicates the need for a fruit and veggie > > based diet, but occasionally including a small amount of meat. > > > > Heck, I spend too much time defending eating meat on here...when I am > > one of the biggest raw veggie fans out there. I guess the difference > > is I'm NOT a fanatic. So when I see the " fanatics " making claims they > > are unqualified to make or are obviously mis-informed, I like to offer > > the other side of the argument. I'm open to being the " wrong " one too > > though Given this is a raw food site, we find a lot of " meat is > > murder " fanatics here. And I just can't stand that haha. > > > > Cheers > > > > Joe > > > > > > rawfood , " Caron " <carongroups@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > Joe Postma > > > >Show me a child or vegetarian who's mouth does > > > not water at the smell of bacon cooking (or BBQ whatever)... > > > > > > My son ) Hated the taste and texture of meat until we (the adults > > in his > > > life, therefore his teachers and examples of human living) told him > > it was > > > good, then he forced himself to eat it, gagging on every bite. We > > trained > > > him to say meat is yummy, but he'll choose a banana (or other fruit) > > every > > > time. In fact, most toddlers I know choose fruit over whatever crap > > their > > > parents are trying to feed them - my neice amused my parents and > > hers by > > > eating bites of fruit in between the spagetti her mother was feeding > > her. A > > > friend's baby threw her pancake on the floor to grab my fruit salad. > > Also, > > > most women I know who've been pregnant have felt ill at the smell of > > meat, > > > cooking, cooked, or raw, at some point during their pregnancy, or > > even all > > > the way through it. Yet we force ourselves to eat it because " the > > baby needs > > > protein " . > > > > > > Pavlov's dogs salivated not because of food, but because of the > > sound of a > > > bell - we, too, are the products of our training. We salivate > > because we're > > > trained to believe that meat is good for us. The child who has not > > yet been > > > trained, does not. This is why my son is thriving, and I'm still > > fighting > > > addictions. > > > > > > Caron > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 > > Thank you for your post! > Kat > Kat - no, thank YOU for your post. I truly loved what you had to say - and I am not any " one " religion myself. But it has never ceased to amaze me how many people 100% believe in the bible and 100% think we are supposed to eat meat and killing animals is okay. ALL spiritual leaders were largely simple eaters and vegetarians. There's a reason for that. And yes, regardless of health (which is a HUGE factor), the major reason to not eat animals is due to ethics alone. Thanks again, Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Erica, Just to clarify a mistake I made in my post because it is important. In the very beginning according to the Bible animals did NOT eat each other and we did not eat them- every creature was vegetarian. Hopefully you caught my error when you read that. yes, Bible believers more often then not are meat eaters and feel from how the understand the Bible that they must and are commanded to eat meat. I don't like that or see it that way but I get it. How they can justify not caring how the animals are treated BEFORE they are slaughtered I do not understand. However, there is a wonderful movement going on right now (such as the Hallelujah Diet) that is challenging that sort of thinking amoung Christians which is wonderful. Hopefully the change will pour into all faiths and many hearts will change =) Kat rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote: > > > > > > Thank you for your post! > > Kat > > > > Kat - no, thank YOU for your post. I truly loved what you had to say - > and I am not any " one " religion myself. But it has never ceased to > amaze me how many people 100% believe in the bible and 100% think we > are supposed to eat meat and killing animals is okay. > > ALL spiritual leaders were largely simple eaters and vegetarians. > There's a reason for that. > > And yes, regardless of health (which is a HUGE factor), the major > reason to not eat animals is due to ethics alone. > > Thanks again, > Erica > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 Hi Kat, I'm glad you appreciated my post. It's was merely the word " fanatical " that got me started. And, if you can stand the images (only two images that many would feel compelled to cover the eyes - and you know SOMETHING is coming), check out the movie, " Fast Food Nation " . That movie describes our societies addiction to flesh like no other I've seen. My best, Janet rawfood , traciekatt <no_reply wrote: I really understand your compassion for animals. Your post is confirming a conviction inside me. Eating meat has never felt right to me at all- especially since I live in California where it is so easy to get fresh produce. I tried in the past several times to become vegetarian just because of my love for animals but always went back =( I hate the intense suffering that they go through, it is just heartbreaking. I have found now(this was mentioned by someone in an earlier post as well) that the longer I go without it the less I also want to eat it. The fact that I am learning that it is NOT healthy is another reason. Not to get too off the subject but wanted to mention that because I am a Bible believing person of faith I believe that animals were originally created to kill each other for food and we were not created to eat them! We were created to be vegetarians eating raw fruit and veggies. Elchanan that stated " the farther we roam from the habitat for which we are ideally designed, the more challenging life becomes " . This makes me think and long for the Garden of Eden where the temp was perfect and everyone lived in harmony which is how it will be again some day. Animals go directly to the afterlife when they are killed where they never have to suffer again that is what comforts me...but to be a part in their distress in this life is what I would like to avoid in the future..... Thank you for your post! Kat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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