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I would never give a small child coffee! I had coffee for the first time when I

was about 10 or 11, and I've been drinking it ever since. IMO children do not

need caffeine filled drinks. I don't mind the soymilk at all, but NO coffee for

my kids!

 

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" dilemma5 " <dilemma5

Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:53:10 AM

Coffee

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I need opinions from you very wise folks! What are your thoughts

on: 1) riding horses, and 2) giving children coffee with a small amount of soy

milk added (where the coffee is only a shade or so lighter than the coffee - not

a whole lot of milk and a little bit of coffee)?

 

 

 

God's Peace,

 

Gayle

 

" For surely I know the plans I have for you, " says the Lord, " plans for your

welfare and not for harm, to give you a future with hope. "

 

Jeremiah 29:11

 

 

 

 

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coffee to children? What age? And why?

 

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" dilemma5 " <dilemma5

Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:53:10 AM

Coffee

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I need opinions from you very wise folks! What are your thoughts

on: 1) riding horses, and 2) giving children coffee with a small amount of soy

milk added (where the coffee is only a shade or so lighter than the coffee - not

a whole lot of milk and a little bit of coffee)?

 

 

 

God's Peace,

 

Gayle

 

" For surely I know the plans I have for you, " says the Lord, " plans for your

welfare and not for harm, to give you a future with hope. "

 

Jeremiah 29:11

 

 

 

 

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Ah! That's a cute idea!

 

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He feels part

 

of things when we have our coffee, and we just tell him ours is brown

 

because we burnt it by accident!

 

 

 

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1) I wouldn't give coffee drinks to my kids, I'd allow it in limited

amounts in the teen years. My daughter gets small amounts of hot and iced

tea, sometimes with soymilk (hot), and with a little sugar, but not large

amounts. We drink more tea in our household, so she sometimes has a quarter

cup when we have a mug of tea. Sometime decaf, sometimes caffeinated,

whatever we're drinking.

 

2) Our kids are vegan for health, not ethics, so I wouldn't have problems

with horse riding. (though we don't do it for lack of interest)

 

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I need opinions from you very wise folks! What are your thoughts on: 1)

> riding horses, and 2) giving children coffee with a small amount of soy

> milk

> added (where the coffee is only a shade or so lighter than the coffee -

> not

> a whole lot of milk and a little bit of coffee)?

>

 

 

 

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I think that as long as it is fairly traded, organic, decaf, a little bit won't

hurt.

 

Jess <veg4animals2006 wrote: I would never give a small

child coffee! I had coffee for the first time when I was about 10 or 11, and

I've been drinking it ever since. IMO children do not need caffeine filled

drinks. I don't mind the soymilk at all, but NO coffee for my kids!

 

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" dilemma5 " <dilemma5

Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:53:10 AM

Coffee

 

I need opinions from you very wise folks! What are your thoughts on: 1) riding

horses, and 2) giving children coffee with a small amount of soy milk added

(where the coffee is only a shade or so lighter than the coffee - not a whole

lot of milk and a little bit of coffee)?

 

God's Peace,

 

Gayle

 

" For surely I know the plans I have for you, " says the Lord, " plans for your

welfare and not for harm, to give you a future with hope. "

 

Jeremiah 29:11

 

 

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My sister had asthma when she was little, and she started drinking coffee (in

small quantities!) when she was about two years old at the recommendation of her

doctor. It helped a lot. Coffee has lots of good stuff in it, and I think the

caffeine is okay if it's not loaded with sugar. My daughter has had a thing for

coffee ever since my mom gave her some a while back. We don't give it to her all

the time, but I'd much rather her drink coffee than soft drinks or those

juice-wannabe things. Decaf would probably be a good idea, but for asthma the

caffeine is what provides the benefit. For a child without asthma, I'd probably

go with decaf, though a little caffeine never hurt anybody. :)

 

Silly story, just because: I drank coffee when I was very little, and when I was

about four (I remember this perfectly), my cousin Carey told me coffee would

stunt my growth. I didn't drink coffee again till I was in college. I ended up

getting teased in school because I was so short. I ended up at just under 5'4 " .

My sister rarely went a day without coffee from the time she was 2, and she was

normal height growing up. She's a good two inches taller, and a year and a half

younger! How about that!!!!

 

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that as long as it is fairly traded, organic, decaf, a little bit won't hurt.

 

Jess <veg4animals2006 wrote: I would never give a small

child coffee! I had coffee for the first time when I was about 10 or 11, and

I've been drinking it ever since. IMO children do not need caffeine filled

drinks. I don't mind the soymilk at all, but NO coffee for my kids!

 

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" dilemma5 " <dilemma5

Tuesday, June 12, 2007 9:53:10 AM

Coffee

 

I need opinions from you very wise folks! What are your thoughts on: 1) riding

horses, and 2) giving children coffee with a small amount of soy milk added

(where the coffee is only a shade or so lighter than the coffee - not a whole

lot of milk and a little bit of coffee)?

 

God's Peace,

 

Gayle

 

" For surely I know the plans I have for you, " says the Lord, " plans for your

welfare and not for harm, to give you a future with hope. "

 

Jeremiah 29:11

 

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I've been drinking coffee since I was 10 or 11 (like I mentioned before). I'm

5'10 " . lol Someone told me that little myth when I was little too, but I was

VERY tall kid.... so I just laughed at them. :P

 

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Silly story, just because: I drank coffee when I was very little, and when I was

about four (I remember this perfectly), my cousin Carey told me coffee would

stunt my growth. I didn't drink coffee again till I was in college. I ended up

getting teased in school because I was so short. I ended up at just under 5'4 " .

My sister rarely went a day without coffee from the time she was 2, and she was

normal height growing up. She's a good two inches taller, and a year and a half

younger! How about that!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I wouldn't give my son anything with caffeine in it, in general. Though now

I would have to say it would depend. He has had some of my green tea, and

likes it. Never sweetened though. We said he could try coffee when he was

about 5, but really for no good reason. I know I had it when I was a kid

and never drank it till I was a teen. And then it had so much other stuff in

it that I probably should have just not drunk it as much as I did. I figured

otu eventually that I just didn't like the bitterness that the caffeine

added.

So I guess, my answer is, is that it would depend. I'd let my son try some

decaf, if he were so inclined right now...he is nearly 4. I wouldn't go

under 3 though, for any of that stuff.

 

As for horses, I had one growing up. I took care of it every day after

school, and weekends -along with my aunt's horse. They boarded it for me,

and I did all the cleaning of the stalls and baths and night feedings. So I

know they were well taken care of. As long as I felt that places were taking

good care of their animals - like a visit to check it out first before a

commitment for a ride...then I'd be ok with it. They can be over

taxed,especially in the heat - like especially if you live in say, Florida,

or anywhere in the southwest, bits of California. Especially if they have a

lot of visitors and not enough horses so the ones recently taken out could

have a nice break in between.

 

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On 6/12/07, Jess <veg4animals2006 wrote:

>

> I've been drinking coffee since I was 10 or 11 (like I mentioned

> before). I'm 5'10 " . lol Someone told me that little myth when I was little

> too, but I was VERY tall kid.... so I just laughed at them. :P

>

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> Silly story, just because: I drank coffee when I was very little, and when

> I was about four (I remember this perfectly), my cousin Carey told me coffee

> would stunt my growth. I didn't drink coffee again till I was in college. I

> ended up getting teased in school because I was so short. I ended up at just

> under 5'4 " . My sister rarely went a day without coffee from the time she was

> 2, and she was normal height growing up. She's a good two inches taller, and

> a year and a half younger! How about that!!!!

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, " dilemma5 " <dilemma5 wrote:

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> I need opinions from you very wise folks! What are your thoughts

on: 1) riding horses, and 2) giving children coffee with a small

amount of soy milk added (where the coffee is only a shade or so

lighter than the coffee - not a whole lot of milk and a little bit of

coffee)?

>

>

> God's Peace,

> Gayle

> " For surely I know the plans I have for you, " says the Lord, " plans

for your welfare and not for harm, to give you a future with hope. "

> Jeremiah 29:11

>

>

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depends- does the child have asthma? it's more effectiva and safer then most

asthma meds. Is the family eastern european? it may the cultural norm. just to

avoid a power struggle? depends on the situation, so I can't say !

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Underwood-Fowler Cindy<CDUFOWLER

< >

Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:29 AM

RE: Coffee

 

 

I'd say make sure it's decaff coffee. You don't want caffeinated kids

hyperactive all over the shop.

Our DS doesn't have coffee - instead we give him " big boy coffee " which is

half hot water, half milk (or soya milk) and a little sugar. He feels part

of things when we have our coffee, and we just tell him ours is brown

because we burnt it by accident!

 

Cindy

 

I need opinions from you very wise folks! What are your thoughts on: 1)

riding horses, and 2) giving children coffee with a small amount of soy milk

added (where the coffee is only a shade or so lighter than the coffee - not

a whole lot of milk and a little bit of coffee)?

 

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Riding horses is good. Coffee to children (and adults) is bad. Caffeine

withdrawl makes people moody and irritable, it's in the DSM-IV for mental

disorders.

 

Colin Hammond <nilochammond wrote: --- In

, " dilemma5 " <dilemma5 wrote:

>

> I need opinions from you very wise folks! What are your thoughts

on: 1) riding horses, and 2) giving children coffee with a small

amount of soy milk added (where the coffee is only a shade or so

lighter than the coffee - not a whole lot of milk and a little bit of

coffee)?

>

>

> God's Peace,

> Gayle

> " For surely I know the plans I have for you, " says the Lord, " plans

for your welfare and not for harm, to give you a future with hope. "

> Jeremiah 29:11

>

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Hi. New to the group. Regarding coffee... we have a friend studying to be a

pediatric

cardiologist and he once told us (during a conversation about kids and

chocolate) that

giving a child caffeine has the same effect as giving them drugs; their system

just goes

crazy. He didn't specify an amount of caffeine, however. I know that Dr. Andrew

Weil

suggests caffeine for warding off headaches. We do give our daughter vegan

smarties

occasionally but we have to be careful when or it keeps her awake at night,

which I believe

is due to the caffeine.

 

, Michelle Gaza <catbreath8 wrote:

>

> Riding horses is good. Coffee to children (and adults) is bad. Caffeine

withdrawl makes

people moody and irritable, it's in the DSM-IV for mental disorders.

>

> Colin Hammond <nilochammond wrote: --- In

, " dilemma5@ " <dilemma5@> wrote:

> >

> > I need opinions from you very wise folks! What are your thoughts

> on: 1) riding horses, and 2) giving children coffee with a small

> amount of soy milk added (where the coffee is only a shade or so

> lighter than the coffee - not a whole lot of milk and a little bit of

> coffee)?

> >

> >

> > God's Peace,

> > Gayle

> > " For surely I know the plans I have for you, " says the Lord, " plans

> for your welfare and not for harm, to give you a future with hope. "

> > Jeremiah 29:11

> >

> >

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I have never heard of coffee being good for asthma. What exactly is

beneficial? And how much coffee? Both my kids have asthma (they were

both born early) I am interested in learning more on this if anyone

can help me out.

Thanks,

Tracy

 

, " Lisa Schroeder " <awoogala

wrote:

>

> depends- does the child have asthma? it's more effectiva and safer

then most asthma meds. Is the family eastern european? it may the

cultural norm. just to avoid a power struggle? depends on the

situation, so I can't say !

> -

> Underwood-Fowler Cindy<CDUFOWLER

> To:

< >

> Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:29 AM

> RE: Coffee

>

>

> I'd say make sure it's decaff coffee. You don't want caffeinated

kids

> hyperactive all over the shop.

> Our DS doesn't have coffee - instead we give him " big boy

coffee " which is

> half hot water, half milk (or soya milk) and a little sugar. He

feels part

> of things when we have our coffee, and we just tell him ours is

brown

> because we burnt it by accident!

>

> Cindy

>

> I need opinions from you very wise folks! What are your thoughts

on: 1)

> riding horses, and 2) giving children coffee with a small amount

of soy milk

> added (where the coffee is only a shade or so lighter than the

coffee - not

> a whole lot of milk and a little bit of coffee)?

>

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Hi Tracy,

When one of my daughters was very young, she had asthma and was prescribed

caffeine to help her. Supposedly it is also good to help get rid of headaches.

It causes headaches for me so I stay away from it, but the caffeine really did

help my daughter's asthma. Caffeine is very similar to the drug theophylline

commonly used for asthma. It is a " weak bronchodialator and also reduces

respiratory muscle fatigue " (http://www.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab001112.html)

From what I was told, our bodies don't know the difference. There's a good site

at MotherNature.com at:

http://www.mothernature.com/Library/Bookshelf/Books/47/6.cfm that can explain

it better than I can. There are also quite a few other things listed to help

asthmatics there.

 

God's Peace,

Gayle

" For surely I know the plans I have for you, " says the Lord, " plans for your

welfare and not for harm, to give you a future with hope. "

Jeremiah 29:11

 

 

-

Tracy

 

6/15/2007 10:31:47 AM

Re: Coffee

 

 

I have never heard of coffee being good for asthma. What exactly is

beneficial? And how much coffee? Both my kids have asthma (they were

both born early) I am interested in learning more on this if anyone

can help me out.

Thanks,

Tracy

 

, " Lisa Schroeder " <awoogala

wrote:

>

> depends- does the child have asthma? it's more effectiva and safer

then most asthma meds. Is the family eastern european? it may the

cultural norm. just to avoid a power struggle? depends on the

situation, so I can't say !

> -

> Underwood-Fowler Cindy<CDUFOWLER

> To:

< >

> Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:29 AM

> RE: Coffee

>

>

> I'd say make sure it's decaff coffee. You don't want caffeinated

kids

> hyperactive all over the shop.

> Our DS doesn't have coffee - instead we give him " big boy

coffee " which is

> half hot water, half milk (or soya milk) and a little sugar. He

feels part

> of things when we have our coffee, and we just tell him ours is

brown

> because we burnt it by accident!

>

> Cindy

>

> I need opinions from you very wise folks! What are your thoughts

on: 1)

> riding horses, and 2) giving children coffee with a small amount

of soy milk

> added (where the coffee is only a shade or so lighter than the

coffee - not

> a whole lot of milk and a little bit of coffee)?

>

> .

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Caffine is a stimulant and can have the same effect as an inhaler like

albuterol.

 

Tracy <tpcat29 wrote: I have never heard of coffee being

good for asthma. What exactly is

beneficial? And how much coffee? Both my kids have asthma (they were

both born early) I am interested in learning more on this if anyone

can help me out.

Thanks,

Tracy

 

, " Lisa Schroeder " <awoogala

wrote:

>

> depends- does the child have asthma? it's more effectiva and safer

then most asthma meds. Is the family eastern european? it may the

cultural norm. just to avoid a power struggle? depends on the

situation, so I can't say !

> -

> Underwood-Fowler Cindy<CDUFOWLER

> To:

< >

> Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:29 AM

> RE: Coffee

>

>

> I'd say make sure it's decaff coffee. You don't want caffeinated

kids

> hyperactive all over the shop.

> Our DS doesn't have coffee - instead we give him " big boy

coffee " which is

> half hot water, half milk (or soya milk) and a little sugar. He

feels part

> of things when we have our coffee, and we just tell him ours is

brown

> because we burnt it by accident!

>

> Cindy

>

> I need opinions from you very wise folks! What are your thoughts

on: 1)

> riding horses, and 2) giving children coffee with a small amount

of soy milk

> added (where the coffee is only a shade or so lighter than the

coffee - not

> a whole lot of milk and a little bit of coffee)?

>

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I brought up the coffee issue in a post previously, but wanted to give

it a new thread and make it a main subject.

 

I was wondering if many people around here drink coffee? I read the

book " Caffeine Blues " a few years ago and was just blown away, and

haven't touched coffee (much) since.

 

Apparently, huge areas of the rain forest are cut down just to grow

coffee, as much as for growing beef! Coffee is negative health...much

more so than meat, was my impression. It's the worst enzyme and

hormone depleter mass-consumed by man, and seems to contribute to

EVERY single one of our modern ailments! (diabetes, heart disease,

strokes, etc etc).

 

 

So I promise not to jump on anyone if they admit they drink it :) hehe

But please, read that book if you haven't already.

 

 

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At Tue, 18 Sep 2007 it looks like Joe Postma composed:

 

> I brought up the coffee issue in a post previously, but wanted to give

> it a new thread and make it a main subject.

>

> I was wondering if many people around here drink coffee? I read the

> book " Caffeine Blues " a few years ago and was just blown away, and

> haven't touched coffee (much) since.

>

> Apparently, huge areas of the rain forest are cut down just to grow

> coffee, as much as for growing beef! Coffee is negative health...much

> more so than meat, was my impression. It's the worst enzyme and

> hormone depleter mass-consumed by man, and seems to contribute to

> EVERY single one of our modern ailments! (diabetes, heart disease,

> strokes, etc etc).

>

> So I promise not to jump on anyone if they admit they drink it :) hehe

> But please, read that book if you haven't already.

>

 

Really a good book, still have it...

 

I read the book, quit drinking coffee as a result. Stopped for a year

or three, now have a cup a day. I don't beat myself up over it. I've

been 18+ years without any alcohol so drinking one cup of coffee a day

actually make me smirk a bit in comparison.

 

One man's floor is another man's ceiling they say ;)

 

Now, with that said -- I don't really care to know how many people drink

alcohol on this list but thought my story would show the human side of

us (grin)

 

--

" Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday,

lying in hospitals dying of nothing. "

-- Redd Foxx

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I don't think that coffee is very good for the health.... unfortunately I am addicted to its stimulant properties! I guess its a lifestyle thing, I can't envisage being without it when not getting much sleep. Personally I would love to be able to do without it at some point. But the main thing for me is being vegan.I bet coffee tastes horribly strong and unappealing to anyone not used to it, or anybody who has avoided it for a while.

"yarrow" <yarrow Sent: Tuesday, 28 July, 2009 20:48:40Re: coffee

 

 

I tried to drink it in college (as a warm beverage) and kept choking

on it -- could not swallow it -- and after a few tries listened to my

body and gave up trying to drink it.

 

Amy Lanou, in her new book on building bone vitality, says caffeine

is one of the high-acid-producing substances that leaches calcium

from the bones. (The most common calcium-leacher is animal protein,

however, so you could make a case that only vegans can drink

coffee...in moderation.)

 

As a substitute, I've seen miso recommended (maybe by Dr. Andrew

Weil?), but never developed the habit of drinking hot liquids, so

haven't tried it.

 

At 6:12 AM -0800 7/28/09, Christine wrote:

I recently got the book "skinny bitch" and have read the first few

chapters so far. They say in the book that coffee is so horrible and

basically vegans should not drink coffee. I don't agree with that,

of course I am addicted to coffee. But I buy organic, fair trade,

bird friendly coffee.

What are your beliefs about drinking coffee?

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I tried to drink it in college (as a warm beverage) and kept choking

on it -- could not swallow it -- and after a few tries listened to my

body and gave up trying to drink it.

 

Amy Lanou, in her new book on building bone vitality, says caffeine

is one of the high-acid-producing substances that leaches calcium

from the bones. (The most common calcium-leacher is animal protein,

however, so you could make a case that only vegans can drink

coffee...in moderation.)

 

As a substitute, I've seen miso recommended (maybe by Dr. Andrew

Weil?), but never developed the habit of drinking hot liquids, so

haven't tried it.

 

 

At 6:12 AM -0800 7/28/09, Christine wrote:

I recently got the book " skinny bitch " and have read the first few

chapters so far. They say in the book that coffee is so horrible and

basically vegans should not drink coffee. I don't agree with that,

of course I am addicted to coffee. But I buy organic, fair trade,

bird friendly coffee.

What are your beliefs about drinking coffee?

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I drink a cup of coffee for my asthma each day, so it helps my health in a sense.Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device from U.S. Cellularbea mehta Tue, 28 Jul 2009 19:34:41 +0000 (GMT)Re: coffee I don't think that coffee is very good for the health.... unfortunately I am addicted to its stimulant properties! I guess its a lifestyle thing, I can't envisage being without it when not getting much sleep. Personally I would love to be able to do without it at some point. But the main thing for me is being vegan.I bet coffee tastes horribly strong and unappealing to anyone not used to it, or anybody who has avoided it for a while."yarrow (AT) sfo (DOT) com" <yarrow Sent: Tuesday, 28 July, 2009 20:48:40Re: coffee I tried to drink it in college (as a warm beverage) and kept choking on it -- could not swallow it -- and after a few tries listened to my body and gave up trying to drink it. Amy Lanou, in her new book on building bone vitality, says caffeine is one of the high-acid-producing substances that leaches calcium from the bones. (The most common calcium-leacher is animal protein, however, so you could make a case that only vegans can drink coffee...in moderation.) As a substitute, I've seen miso recommended (maybe by Dr. Andrew Weil?), but never developed the habit of drinking hot liquids, so haven't tried it. At 6:12 AM -0800 7/28/09, Christine wrote: I recently got the book "skinny bitch" and have read the first few chapters so far. They say in the book that coffee is so horrible and basically vegans should not drink coffee. I don't agree with that, of course I am addicted to coffee. But I buy organic, fair trade, bird friendly coffee. What are your beliefs about drinking coffee?

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