Succeeding with RF: Socializing with SAD-eaters (WAS: Killing vs. Murder: Hormonal and Behavioral Effects of Eating Animals)

[Guest guest]

I agree, Janet ... and Donna.

 

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rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Janet FitzGerald

Wednesday, September 19, 2007 2:23 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Killing vs. Murder: Hormonal and Behavioral Effects

of Eating Ani

 

 

Donna,

 

I was pleased you mentioned being glad to be a part of this list. I've read

a few posts of people saying something to the effect, " this is supposed to

be a group for raw vegans, I'm leaving, etc. " .

 

I believe it's important to discuss how we feel about meat since many, if

not all of us, watch our SAD counterparts eat cooked flesh everyday. And,

many, if not most of us, DID eat cooked flesh for a good portion of our

lives. I view this thread as part of the evolution of this group. If

someone is contemplating leaving the group, consider switching the group to

" no mail " for awhile and come back later.

 

Janet

 

rawfood , " Donna Chagnon " <donna.chagnon wrote:

 

I would only add to this thread by stating that I noticed that when I first

began eating raw I noted that my increasing aggressive behavior came to a

halt almost instantaneously. Those times that I have eaten meat since first

going raw I find that I do become aggressive in my thinking. Frankly, I'm

glad I found this list and others like it because I was becoming quite

scared by the aggressive thoughts I was having while eating meat.

 

On 9/17/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

 

Erica, I see where you are going here. I was thinking you were going to say

" times per YEAR " , not per month.

 

It all comes down to choice: what outcomes does one wish to create in one's

life.

 

One thing overlooked in the present discussion, but about which I've written

before, is the transport of hormones from the dead animal into us. The

animals KNOWS it is about to be killed. The animal is terrified (who

wouldn't be!) and goes into a fight-or-flight response, releasing the

adrenal hormone set throughout its system. We eat these, overload on them,

and become quite a bit more agitated, even violent, than we would otherwise

be. We diminish our intelligence and our vitality, because blood flow is

redirected AWAY from our forebrain (reason, language, problem solving,

creativity) and TOWARD our hindbrain (protection), AWAY from our central

organs and TOWARD our arms and legs (for running and/or fighting).

 

This, in a nutshell, is why there are no vegetarian armies. The phrase

itself is an oxymoron.

 

Best, Elchanan

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[Guest guest]

Hi Janet,

Since you brought up about watching other SAD counterparts eating

cooked flesh, I thought I would throw a question out to the group. Last

week, we started the celebration of our Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah.

We were invited to my best friend's house for a big Rosh Hashanah

dinner. Even though they both KNEW that my diet consisted of raw fruits

and vegetables (and they were sure to include these in their menu for

the dinner plus I brought a huge fruit salad), they made it very clear

afterwards that they would have been insulted if I hadn't eaten ANY of

their prepared food. I did taste a few of their appetizers and side

dishes, and when I told them this, they were extremely happy. I was

telling them that I just couldn't resist and that I just had to go off

of my diet. They said that I shouldn't feel guilty and that they are

very happy that I indulged in their delicious food.

I was wondering how everyone " handles " going to someone's house

for dinner, especially a holiday dinner. How do you stay on your raw

vegan low fat diet WITHOUT offending anyone?

Thanks,

Lynne

>

> Janet FitzGerald

> Wednesday, September 19, 2007 2:23 PM

> rawfood <rawfood%40>

> Re: [Raw Food] Killing vs. Murder: Hormonal and Behavioral

> Effects

> of Eating Ani

>

> Donna,

>

> I was pleased you mentioned being glad to be a part of this list. I've

> read

> a few posts of people saying something to the effect, " this is supposed to

> be a group for raw vegans, I'm leaving, etc. " .

>

> I believe it's important to discuss how we feel about meat since many, if

> not all of us, watch our SAD counterparts eat cooked flesh everyday. And,

> many, if not most of us, DID eat cooked flesh for a good portion of our

> lives. I view this thread as part of the evolution of this group. If

> someone is contemplating leaving the group, consider switching the

> group to

> " no mail " for awhile and come back later.

>

> Janet

>

> rawfood <rawfood%40>,

> " Donna Chagnon " <donna.chagnon wrote:

>

> I would only add to this thread by stating that I noticed that when I

> first

> began eating raw I noted that my increasing aggressive behavior came to a

> halt almost instantaneously. Those times that I have eaten meat since

> first

> going raw I find that I do become aggressive in my thinking. Frankly, I'm

> glad I found this list and others like it because I was becoming quite

> scared by the aggressive thoughts I was having while eating meat.

>

> On 9/17/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Erica, I see where you are going here. I was thinking you were going

> to say

> " times per YEAR " , not per month.

>

> It all comes down to choice: what outcomes does one wish to create in

> one's

> life.

>

> One thing overlooked in the present discussion, but about which I've

> written

> before, is the transport of hormones from the dead animal into us. The

> animals KNOWS it is about to be killed. The animal is terrified (who

> wouldn't be!) and goes into a fight-or-flight response, releasing the

> adrenal hormone set throughout its system. We eat these, overload on them,

> and become quite a bit more agitated, even violent, than we would

> otherwise

> be. We diminish our intelligence and our vitality, because blood flow is

> redirected AWAY from our forebrain (reason, language, problem solving,

> creativity) and TOWARD our hindbrain (protection), AWAY from our central

> organs and TOWARD our arms and legs (for running and/or fighting).

>

> This, in a nutshell, is why there are no vegetarian armies. The phrase

> itself is an oxymoron.

>

> Best, Elchanan

> <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId

> <http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId>

> =34345/stime=1190237007/nc1=4025304/nc2=4776347/nc3=4776373>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I was wondering how everyone " handles " going to someone's

house

> for dinner, especially a holiday dinner. How do you stay on your

raw

> vegan low fat diet WITHOUT offending anyone?

> Thanks,

> Lynne

 

This is a great topic. It's funny, because nobody would ever be

insulted if you didn't eat something you were allergic to. And

nobody would ask you to go off a medication or off your chemotherapy

in order to attend dinner at their home. But when it's personal

choice, but because of the serious effects of such food, they take

offense. It is upsetting how big an influence culture is. I

personally am fine explaining how appreciative I am, but explaining

that it's due to a health challenge, etc. Because, honestly, it's

just really rude of THEM to be insulted that you don't eat their

food, and not the other way around. It should be about the human

connection, etc. But so much revolves around food! I may eat

something not planned, but it's never meat. Meat is just the

antithesis of anything sacred, anyways, imo. ESPECIALLY kosher meat

(see: kosher slaughter in Earthlings). If people REALLY want to " go

there " , I'll explain my reasoning (which I love doing, but am

respectful not to do when it's just not appropriate). I guess I

still think it's more ethical to insult someone over superficial

terms than it is to callously take a life, especially in God's name,

etc. And definitely gently remind people at the time of accepting

the invite, which it sounds like you did. It is THEY who need to be

respectful of YOU. But it can be gracefully handled while

maintaining your personal ethics, etc. For sure.

Erica