Succeeding with RF: Socializing with SAD-eaters ... Dinner at a friend's home

[Guest guest]

I couldn't agree more!

 

Elchanan

_____

 

 

Lynne,

 

 

 

I want to offer another perspective. When I started acting like eating only

raw foods was " normal " (indeed it is for us) then all the people around me

stopped making an issue of it. Now, the difference could be in my attitude

about it or in the amount of time that has pasted and they are just getting

use to it... but the point it eating fruit or salad is normal for you.

Eating meat is normal for them... and everyone just gets along and really

enjoys what is most important and that is each other. Don't make apologies

for taking excellent care of yourself!

 

 

 

Leah

 

 

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Lynne Moore

Friday, September 21, 2007 11:59 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Succeeding with RF: Socializing with SAD-eaters

(WAS: Killing vs. Murder: Hormonal and Behavioral Effects of Eating Animals)

 

Hi Janet,

 

 

 

Since you brought up about watching other SAD counterparts eating cooked

flesh, I thought I would throw a question out to the group. Last week, we

started the celebration of our Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah. We were

invited to my best friend's house for a big Rosh Hashanah dinner. Even

though they both KNEW that my diet consisted of raw fruits and vegetables

(and they were sure to include these in their menu for the dinner plus I

brought a huge fruit salad), they made it very clear afterwards that they

would have been insulted if I hadn't eaten ANY of their prepared food. I

did taste a few of their appetizers and side dishes, and when I told them

this, they were extremely happy. I was telling them that I just couldn't

resist and that I just had to go off of my diet. They said that I shouldn't

feel guilty and that they are very happy that I indulged in their delicious

food. I was wondering how everyone " handles " going to someone's house for

dinner, especially a holiday dinner. How do you stay on your raw vegan low

fat diet WITHOUT offending anyone?

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Lynne

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Great advice, Lynne. I agree that people are usually almost always

responding to how abnormal WE present it as, or how apologetic we are

that we eat differently. Eating raw is hip. Countless celebs do it and

look great for their age. Exploit that fact! LOL Also, I LOVE bringing

a fabulous raw dish to such events - it works wonders. People usually

have no idea it's " raw " or " vegan " , they just start asking about it

because it's so tasty and feels so good to eat it. ALSO, one last

point, you can always say that you only eat " high enzyme " foods for

your health situation. That makes it sound medical. :-) Erica

[Guest guest]

>

> From my perspective, there is a huge paradigm shift available here: We

> cannot " offend " anyone. Your friends can choose to take what you do

> personally, or they can choose to respect your choices, though

different

> from their own. I promise you that the friends most worth

> having, in the long run, are those that respect you and your choices,

and

> those with whom you can live in accordance with those choices.

 

Very very true. Excellent advice/assessment. -Erica

[Guest guest]

Testing. Just testing to see if my replies are

getting out to you all. If anyone gets this, please

let me know.

 

 

--- Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

 

> I couldn't agree more!

>

> Elchanan

> _____

>

>

> Lynne,

>

>

>

> I want to offer another perspective. When I started

> acting like eating only

> raw foods was " normal " (indeed it is for us) then

> all the people around me

> stopped making an issue of it. Now, the difference

> could be in my attitude

> about it or in the amount of time that has pasted

> and they are just getting

> use to it... but the point it eating fruit or salad

> is normal for you.

> Eating meat is normal for them... and everyone just

> gets along and really

> enjoys what is most important and that is each

> other. Don't make apologies

> for taking excellent care of yourself!

>

>

>

> Leah

>

>

> _____

>

> rawfood

> [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

> Lynne Moore

> Friday, September 21, 2007 11:59 AM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] Succeeding with RF:

> Socializing with SAD-eaters

> (WAS: Killing vs. Murder: Hormonal and Behavioral

> Effects of Eating Animals)

>

> Hi Janet,

>

>

>

> Since you brought up about watching other SAD

> counterparts eating cooked

> flesh, I thought I would throw a question out to the

> group. Last week, we

> started the celebration of our Jewish New Year, Rosh

> Hashanah. We were

> invited to my best friend's house for a big Rosh

> Hashanah dinner. Even

> though they both KNEW that my diet consisted of raw

> fruits and vegetables

> (and they were sure to include these in their menu

> for the dinner plus I

> brought a huge fruit salad), they made it very clear

> afterwards that they

> would have been insulted if I hadn't eaten ANY of

> their prepared food. I

> did taste a few of their appetizers and side dishes,

> and when I told them

> this, they were extremely happy. I was telling them

> that I just couldn't

> resist and that I just had to go off of my diet.

> They said that I shouldn't

> feel guilty and that they are very happy that I

> indulged in their delicious

> food. I was wondering how everyone " handles " going

> to someone's house for

> dinner, especially a holiday dinner. How do you

> stay on your raw vegan low

> fat diet WITHOUT offending anyone?

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> Lynne

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

HI Elchanan,

Thanks for your quick response and your suggestions! Sorry I am late

writing back; I don't use the computer on Yom Kippor.

ACtually, my play WAS to bring a huge fruit salad for 16 people and

also a green leaf salad; however, with two young children at home all

day (they were off of school for the holiday), I just about had enough

time to make a 12 pound fruit salad! I ran out of time, which was a

shame, since that green leafy salad would have saved me from munching on

unhealthy foods.

I am sure that if I hadn't eaten any of their food, my friends

wouldn't have said anything. HOwever, since I told them that I tasted

their potato kegal and their fruit crisp, they WERE DELIGHTED and told

me that I should not feel guilty because it made them very happy that I

was able to enjoy their special foods!

Two days before the dinner, my friend, Ann, called me up in a

panic and said, " Lynne, I am SO STRESSED OUT!! " I asked her , " Oh no,

what's the matter? " She said, " I don't think there's anything on the

dinner menu that YOU CAN EAT!!! " " Can I make you some spaghetti?

Would you eat that or a raw plate of vegetables? Tell me what I can

make that you will eat. " Since Ann basically knows the foods that I

will and will not eat, she was very concerned. I told her, " Please

don't worry about me!! You have enough to concern yourself with 16

people coming over for dinner. I was going to tell you that I'm

bringing a big fruit salad over and possibly a regular salad too, so

I'll be fine. I " ll have plenty to eat. " I was very touched, though,

that she cared so much about pleasing me and making me feel

comfortable!! These are really good friends!

I actually DID try to just take a bite of a few things, but the

items were SO good, I ended up eating an entire brownie, a medium

portion of fruit crisp, and a couple of other things. However, I didn't

get sick the way I did the year before when I ate EVERYTHING they had!!

So I guess I am improving!! I " ll do even better next year!!

I appreciate your comments and suggestions!

Lynne

>

> Hi Lynne,

>

> >From my perspective, there is a huge paradigm shift available here: We

> cannot " offend " anyone. Your friends can choose to take what you do

> personally, or they can choose to respect your choices, though different

> from their own. You can choose to eat what they make, or to honor your own

> choices, values, and needs. I promise you that the friends most worth

> having, in the long run, are those that respect you and your choices, and

> those with whom you can live in accordance with those choices.

>

> That having been said, I do, in part, as you did. I make a large dish

> that I

> will eat, large enough to share. Actually, I usually make 2 such dishes,

> especially for a " feast " such as Rosh Hashanah dinner. One dish will be

> fruit, the other salad. I fill my plate completely with the fruit, eat

> it at

> my own pace, enjoy the conversation, then when I feel ready, I fill my

> plate

> with the salad. Sometimes, I eat fruit an hour or so before I go, and just

> eat a small portion of fruit at the event, followed by a large salad

> (usually 2 portions, because the plates are flat and won't hold nearly

> enough salad).

>

> AT times in the past, if I felt genuinely interested in a particular

> item, I

> may have taken a bite ... that is singular ... of something someone

> else has

> prepared. But honestly, I never enjoyed how I felt afterward ... the taste

> and mucus in my mouth, the mucus in my upper respiratory system, etc.

>

> And if anyone ever says anything such as your friends did, I simply

> explain

> to them that, were I to eat their food, I would have had such a reaction,

> and that I hope they do not wish that upon me. I tell them that I value

> their friendship, their companionship, as I hope they value mine, me, and

> not what I eat. I tell them that I value them as themselves, not for any

> food they may ever make. I keep it brief, and I find that this is

> sufficient.

>

> Hope this helps!

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood <rawfood%40>

> [rawfood <rawfood%40>] On

> Behalf Of

> Lynne Moore

> Friday, September 21, 2007 11:59 AM

> rawfood <rawfood%40>

> Re: [Raw Food] Succeeding with RF: Socializing with SAD-eaters

> (WAS: Killing vs. Murder: Hormonal and Behavioral Effects of Eating

> Animals)

>

> Hi Janet,

>

> Since you brought up about watching other SAD counterparts eating cooked

> flesh, I thought I would throw a question out to the group. Last week, we

> started the celebration of our Jewish New Year, Rosh Hashanah. We were

> invited to my best friend's house for a big Rosh Hashanah dinner. Even

> though they both KNEW that my diet consisted of raw fruits and vegetables

> (and they were sure to include these in their menu for the dinner plus I

> brought a huge fruit salad), they made it very clear afterwards that they

> would have been insulted if I hadn't eaten ANY of their prepared food. I

> did taste a few of their appetizers and side dishes, and when I told them

> this, they were extremely happy. I was telling them that I just couldn't

> resist and that I just had to go off of my diet. They said that I

> shouldn't

> feel guilty and that they are very happy that I indulged in their

> delicious

> food. I was wondering how everyone " handles " going to someone's house for

> dinner, especially a holiday dinner. How do you stay on your raw vegan low

> fat diet WITHOUT offending anyone?

>

> Thanks,

> Lynne

>

>

[Guest guest]

Excellent point, Leah!! I LIKE that perspective!!!

Thanks,

Lynne

>

> Lynne,

>

> I want to offer another perspective. When I started acting like eating

> only raw foods was " normal " (indeed it is for us) then all the people

> around me stopped making an issue of it. Now, the difference could be

> in my attitude about it or in the amount of time that has pasted and

> they are just getting use to it... but the point it eating fruit or

> salad is normal for you. Eating meat is normal for them... and

> everyone just gets along and really enjoys what is most important and

> that is each other. Don't make apologies for taking excellent care of

> yourself!

>

> Leah

>

>

> rawfood <rawfood%40>

> [rawfood <rawfood%40>] On

> Behalf Of Lynne Moore

> Friday, September 21, 2007 11:59 AM

> rawfood <rawfood%40>

> Re: [Raw Food] Succeeding with RF: Socializing with

> SAD-eaters (WAS: Killing vs. Murder: Hormonal and Behavioral Effects

> of Eating Animals)

>

> Hi Janet,

>

> Since you brought up about watching other SAD counterparts eating

> cooked flesh, I thought I would throw a question out to the group.

> Last week, we started the celebration of our Jewish New Year, Rosh

> Hashanah. We were invited to my best friend's house for a big Rosh

> Hashanah dinner. Even though they both KNEW that my diet consisted of

> raw fruits and vegetables (and they were sure to include these in

> their menu for the dinner plus I brought a huge fruit salad), they

> made it very clear afterwards that they would have been insulted if I

> hadn't eaten ANY of their prepared food. I did taste a few of their

> appetizers and side dishes, and when I told them this, they were

> extremely happy. I was telling them that I just couldn't resist and

> that I just had to go off of my diet. They said that I shouldn't feel

> guilty and that they are very happy that I indulged in their delicious

> food. I was wondering how everyone " handles " going to someone's house

> for dinner, especially a

> holiday dinner. How do you stay on your raw vegan low fat diet WITHOUT

> offending anyone?

>

> Thanks,

> Lynne

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi ERica,

I like that idea of eating " high enzyme " foods! I'll have to come

up with some really good raw dish recipes! Lately, I've just been

eating raw fruit, fruits salads, and leafy green salads!

Do you have any suggestions that would please a large crowd? I would

appreciate any suggestions!!

Thanks,

Lynne

P> S. The fruit salad was actually a big hit, especially with Ann's

kids, and they ate it and enjoyed it the next day too, so it was

appreciated!!

>

> Great advice, Lynne. I agree that people are usually almost always

> responding to how abnormal WE present it as, or how apologetic we are

> that we eat differently. Eating raw is hip. Countless celebs do it and

> look great for their age. Exploit that fact! LOL Also, I LOVE bringing

> a fabulous raw dish to such events - it works wonders. People usually

> have no idea it's " raw " or " vegan " , they just start asking about it

> because it's so tasty and feels so good to eat it. ALSO, one last

> point, you can always say that you only eat " high enzyme " foods for

> your health situation. That makes it sound medical. :-) Erica

>

>