Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 The Kirlian images are very beautiful. Unfortunately, no one has ever funded the research needed to understand what those fields may represent from a health perspective. They make great presentations, but at this stage not great science (though there is much potential, IMHO). Remember, David is all about selling things to RFs ... that's his stated mission. (Well, stated in the past, probably wouldn't so say today. FYI, Kirlian photography is named for Semyon Kirlian,, who discovered it quite by accident, apparently, in 1939. Those images do not arise from the presence of enzymes!!! They arise from the electromagnetic fields present. You can create such an image just about anywhere using an electrical current. Now, if you wish to discuss electromagnetic field arrangements, energy patterns, as " life force " , that may be an interesting conversation. But to impute " life force " to enzymes, a subset of proteins, is absurd. Sells lots of stuff, though!!! Best, Elchanan _____ rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of Erica Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:59 PM rawfood [Raw Food] Re: Enzyme myth > More to follow ... may be several days, though. Big backlog and a few other > priorities at the moment. > Okay, sure. And be sure to include all the other things that are more important about a raw foods diet, too. :-) Also, though, David Wolfe always showed kirlian images of cooked cabbage and like raw cabbage, etc, and the difference in energy was night and day. But at your pace, if you want to explain where you are coming from, I'd for one appreciate hearing it. Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Erica, Elchanan, I'm waiting to here more as well The difference in the Kirlian photography between cooked and non cooked food has not been studied very well at all, and most scientists I know would scoff at the idea. BUT, I think it is fairly well established that it is the difference between something being alive or dead. When something is alive, it emits a unique electromagnetic field (an " aura " , though I would never use that term!, and is why most scientists stay away from this) due to the various electrical happenings in the body - in fact, electronic activity is what drives ALL living (and most non-living) processes! So when something is dead, this electrical activity - mostly arising in the form of a great many chemical interactions - stops, so no more moving electrons, ions, or chemicals, and hence no more electromagnetic field. The electromagnetic field is CREATED from the moving electrons, ions, and chemical interactions, this is actually real physics going on - not at all basic physics though And so Kirlian photography images that, as Elchanan said. It really is imaging the " life " of the plant or animal. And Elchanan is also right in saying that a great many non-living things would show Kirlian patterns as well, such as your tv, pieces of metal, etc. But again, the difference is between a living organism and a dead cooked one, which is important. The Kirlian patterns do not arise from enzymes though. Enzymes are chemically and hence electronically active, but they simply contribute a small part to the entire electromagnetic field of the body. Enzymes are catalysts. A catalyst is a chemical that reacts with other chemicals, changes its own form during the reaction process, and when the reaction finishes, gets back together in its original form but leaves the thing it reacted with changed. In practice, they cut up (quite literally, they are basically scissors!) the protein you consume into the basic amino acid building blocks of protein, and then OTHER enzymes come in and reform those into protein your body wants...human protein. There are also enzymes for chopping up fat, sugars, starches, etc. Enzymes pretty much run the show, if you think about it. But enzymes are not really alive. They are either " intact " or defunct. They are complex organic molecules, with a large number of long-chain molecular bonds of relatively weak bond strength. Well understood, ultimately fundamental organic chemistry drives their behaviour. There is nothing mysterious about them. So the question between raw and cooked is: what has changed to make the electromagnetic field disappear? Well, cooked is dead! And you can also ask: what is the difference between raw and cooked that makes raw so much better for you? Again, it is the difference between something being alive or dead. But that still doesn't tell us what we want to know... And this is where my knowledge stops. Someone somewhere has obviously reasoned, or perhaps scientifically figured out, that it is enzymes which make the difference...this is the common wisdom among (many) raw foodists. But it is not clear to me how, if this is true, how intact enzymes from live foods are used by the human body, or even, why raw food is better utilized by the body than cooked food. Saying it is because of enzymes is great, but WHY? Does our body know how to " use " enzymes from the food we eat, or are those enzymes simply high in nutrition or something? Maybe our own enzymes chop up food enzymes, the body gets lots of basic amino acids from THAT and those are really healthy? There IS a difference, and the difference IS between life and death, but how or in what way exactly, I don't know. I don't know if anyone really knows...? Elchanan, Erica? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 > LOL, anti-enzyme, I think I'll become anti-oxygen then. Hey - *I'm* not, just to clarify! LOL- erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 > > LOL, anti-enzyme, I think I'll become anti-oxygen then. PS - I don't think anyone IS " anti-enzyme " . Just anti-enzyme in terms of why raw foods are so beneficial, I guess. I dunno. I guess we'll all hear more soon enough. :-) ERica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Erica wrote: > Wait a minute. > > Enzymes are scientific fact. There are books written about them by > doctors, and they exist in raw food. They ARE life force. Why is it so > bad and awful to acknowledge that? Why is it " hooey " ? I'm not sure I > could ever come to feel that way. I mean, what of the book Enzyme > Nutrition by Dr. Howell? Why are you guys so anti-enzyme? > anti-enzyme? They are one of the essential life processors, they play such an essential and quite beautifully harmonious role in how life works. (perhaps its because the basic function of enzymes is about death and decay, so what!) LOL, anti-enzyme, I think I'll become anti-oxygen then. LOL. Oxygen the Merciless, that indiscriminately destroys organic material. I don't remember if I posted this link before, but this is a set of three articles regarding current enzyme research and health. " The Essentials of Enzyme Nutrition Therapy " http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/Enzymes1.html reading this was the other thing that got me looking at health and changing my diet. neal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 - Joe Postma > When something is alive, it emits a unique electromagnetic field (an " aura " , though I would never use that term!, and is why most scientists stay away from this) due to the various electrical happenings in the body - in fact, electronic activity is what drives ALL living (and most non-living) processes! So when something is dead, this electrical activity - mostly arising in the form of a great many chemical interactions - stops, so no more moving electrons, ions, or chemicals, and hence no more electromagnetic field. I dunno, Joe - I saw a pretty funky " aura " around a spanner (wrench?) when I googled kirlian images ;o) Seems they can do it with pretty much anything, even if they have to BYO on the electromagnetic field (or turn it off if they don't want an aura...) Caron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Right...I don't think we're in disagreement here. The important difference is between something being " off " or " on " , i.e., dead or alive. Metal objects can definitely create or have imprinted on them electromagnetic fields. Flesh of plants or animals only create an EM field when it is alive. > > I dunno, Joe - I saw a pretty funky " aura " around a spanner (wrench?) when I > googled kirlian images ;o) Seems they can do it with pretty much anything, > even if they have to BYO on the electromagnetic field (or turn it off if > they don't want an aura...) > > Caron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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