Enzyme Nonsense

[Guest guest]

>

> " Basically enzymes don't survive cooking, but they don't survive

> swallowing either, they are protiens, your body makes the enzymes it

> needs, additional ones are not required for anything. "

 

Raw food is equipped with the enzymes necessary to break themselves

down. Our body has enzymes, but an energy deficiency is created

quickly because the human body is not designed to digest all of the

food we eat, with no help from the foods we eat. No wonder people feel

so much more energy and so less 'taxed' when they eat raw. It is not

brain surgery, you are right.

 

" As far as colonics and all that nonsense... "

 

I would TOTALLY disagree that colonics are nonsense, or the same thing

as eating a bunch of fiber. Anyone who's had a few colonics can

testify to that as well. That is simply not true, and is simply just

the opinion of some.

 

I agree that we don't need noni juice or high-priced gourmet foods.

However, I do disagree that we can get everything we need from simply

raw foods. We can't, due to the soil, etc. It is wise to supplement

with B12 and perhaps others. I know some disagree with that but I'll

say it anyways.

 

Glad you see through beyondveg.

 

Erica

[Guest guest]

Yes Erin,

 

I think Dr. F is THE authority. I know him as he is my personal

physician. The guy is an true scientist and obsessed with all this

stuff. he gets to the bottom of all of it.

 

It's all quite interesting.

 

HOWEVER, the point that is beyond debate is that we KNOW for a FACT

that when people eat a mostly raw plant based diet they have the

fewest medical problems and live the longest.

 

Therefore are we not beter off spending our time perfecting how to

eat this way, rather than on arguing about specific mechanisms and

weather eating this or that super food is good? Dr. F simply

suggests eating the widest possible assortment of produce and eating

it mostly raw with minimal or no oils. Dr. F also has more patients

that are actually cured from their ailmants than anyone else that I'm

aware of... and isn't that the point? Eat well, live long and

prosper.

>

> Dr. Joel Fuhrman, author of Eat To Live, a 50-50 raw/cooked diet:

>

> http://snipurl.com/1972s (Amazon link)

>

> has this to say about the enzyme theory:

>

> ( from http://www.drfuhrman.com/faq/question.aspx?sid=16 & qindex=4 )

>

> " Another fallacy promoted in the raw food movement and on the web is

> that the fragile heat-sensitive enzymes contained in the plants we

> eat catalyze chemical reactions that occur in humans and aid in

> digestion of the food. This is not true. Plant foods do not supply

> enzymes that aid in their digestion when consumed by animals. Our

> body supplies exactly the precise amount of enzymes needed for

> digestion; we are not ill equipped to digest normal food. The plant

> enzymes are broken down into simpler molecules by our own powerful

> digestive juices and even those that are absorbed as peptide size

> pieces (or with some biologic function) do not function to catalyze

> human functions. So it is not true that eating raw food demands less

> enzyme production by your body. A healthy body produces the precise

> amount of enzymes needed to digest the ingested food appropriately

> and the enzymes our body uses for other processes are unique to our

> human needs and are not present in plants. We make what we need from

> the proper materials. "

>

> ==========

>

> I recently found this interesting article too:

> http://www.foodprocessing.com/articles/2005/506.html

>

>

> -Erin " 77% RAW "

> http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

> http://www.vegandonelight.com

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I think Dr. F is THE authority.

 

No one person is " the " authority on this. Dr. F ALSO says right in his

book that organic versus conventional doesn't make any difference,

which is totally ridiculous. He also does not believe mucoid plaque is

real at all, and yet why do actual pictures of it exist? He's great, I

totally agree, but he's not 100% correct on EVERYthing. Nobody is.

 

Erica

[Guest guest]

Thanks, mstrong,

 

I had only expressed agreement with Elchanan and related that

it was some of these pseudo-scientific explanations that had

initially kept me from pursuing it further when I first learned

of raw foodism some years ago.

 

I was happy to leave it at that, but the questions kept coming

and eventually they succeeded in eliciting my response.

 

The take-away from my original point was meant to be that, if

we're concerned with spreading the message, we should consider

how it is perceived and received. And, I feel we do ourselves

(and indeed those we wish to help) no favors by such reasoning

as is offered by the enzyme theory and the like. <shrug>

 

 

-Erin

http://www.vegandonelight.com

http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

 

rawfood , " mstrong56 " <mstrong wrote:

>

> Yes Erin,

>

> I think Dr. F is THE authority. I know him as he is my personal

> physician. The guy is an true scientist and obsessed with all this

> stuff. he gets to the bottom of all of it.

>

> It's all quite interesting.

>

> HOWEVER, the point that is beyond debate is that we KNOW for a FACT

> that when people eat a mostly raw plant based diet they have the

> fewest medical problems and live the longest.

>

> Therefore are we not beter off spending our time perfecting how to

> eat this way, rather than on arguing about specific mechanisms and

> weather eating this or that super food is good? Dr. F simply

> suggests eating the widest possible assortment of produce and

eating

> it mostly raw with minimal or no oils. Dr. F also has more

patients

> that are actually cured from their ailmants than anyone else that

I'm

> aware of... and isn't that the point? Eat well, live long and

> prosper.

> >

> > Dr. Joel Fuhrman, author of Eat To Live, a 50-50 raw/cooked diet:

> >

> > http://snipurl.com/1972s (Amazon link)

> >

> > has this to say about the enzyme theory:

> >

> > ( from http://www.drfuhrman.com/faq/question.aspx?

sid=16 & qindex=4 )

> >

> > " Another fallacy promoted in the raw food movement and on the web

is

> > that the fragile heat-sensitive enzymes contained in the plants we

> > eat catalyze chemical reactions that occur in humans and aid in

> > digestion of the food. This is not true. Plant foods do not supply

> > enzymes that aid in their digestion when consumed by animals. Our

> > body supplies exactly the precise amount of enzymes needed for

> > digestion; we are not ill equipped to digest normal food. The

plant

> > enzymes are broken down into simpler molecules by our own powerful

> > digestive juices and even those that are absorbed as peptide size

> > pieces (or with some biologic function) do not function to

catalyze

> > human functions. So it is not true that eating raw food demands

less

> > enzyme production by your body. A healthy body produces the

precise

> > amount of enzymes needed to digest the ingested food appropriately

> > and the enzymes our body uses for other processes are unique to

our

> > human needs and are not present in plants. We make what we need

from

> > the proper materials. "

> >

> > ==========

> >

> > I recently found this interesting article too:

> > http://www.foodprocessing.com/articles/2005/506.html

[Guest guest]

Hi Erica,

 

I see colonics as a short-cut and potentially dangerous way of

cleansing the digestive tract. Matter is simply meant to go one way

through the colon. Vomiting will also produce a temporary relief and

eliminate foreign substances from the body, but living properly as a

preventative is better. For those who have lots of matter built up in

their colons, a proper raw food diet and also fasting can help the

body clean up without the use of external interference.

 

Janet

 

rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote:

 

 

 

" Basically enzymes don't survive cooking, but they don't survive

swallowing either, they are protiens, your body makes the enzymes it

needs, additional ones are not required for anything. "

 

Raw food is equipped with the enzymes necessary to break themselves

down. Our body has enzymes, but an energy deficiency is created

quickly because the human body is not designed to digest all of the

food we eat, with no help from the foods we eat. No wonder people

feel so much more energy and so less 'taxed' when they eat raw. It is

not brain surgery, you are right.

 

" As far as colonics and all that nonsense... "

 

I would TOTALLY disagree that colonics are nonsense, or the same thing

as eating a bunch of fiber. Anyone who's had a few colonics can

testify to that as well. That is simply not true, and is simply just

the opinion of some.

 

I agree that we don't need noni juice or high-priced gourmet foods.

However, I do disagree that we can get everything we need from simply

raw foods. We can't, due to the soil, etc. It is wise to supplement

with B12 and perhaps others. I know some disagree with that but I'll

say it anyways.

 

Glad you see through beyondveg.

 

Erica

[Guest guest]

> Hi Erica,

>

> I see colonics as a short-cut and potentially dangerous way of

> cleansing the digestive tract. Matter is simply meant to go one way

> through the colon. Vomiting will also produce a temporary relief and

> eliminate foreign substances from the body, but living properly as a

> preventative is better. For those who have lots of matter built up in

> their colons, a proper raw food diet and also fasting can help the

> body clean up without the use of external interference.

>

> Janet

 

Hey Janet,

I appreciate that point of view, but I have seen too many people

benefit massively from them. I also believe that some people would have

worse side-effects from fasting alone. I don't disagree with you a raw

food diet and preventative living are the way to go - I just don't know

too many people who aren't ridiculously toxic, who have lived in such a

way since birth. I guess except for your kid and a few other lucky

ones. LOL! There are reports that people have used colonics all the

way back to the Essenes, but either way, I definitely believe in colon

cleansing personally. As long as people don't kill animals and live

healthily, though, I think it's fine if people don't go for it. I

admit, I took some coaxing.... LOL

[Guest guest]

OK, here is the real lowdown on organics, when to buy organic vs.

when it doesn't matter. EVERYONE should have a copy of this.

 

http://www.foodnews.org/

 

Dr. F's office kitchen is loaded with organics. I have personally

seen it and seen him make his lunch from them.

 

As far as mucoid plaque, whatever lines your tubes is throughly

scrubbed away by the constant action of large quantities of raw plant

fiber passing by. Kind of like swallowing scotchbrite scrubbing pads.

 

Reason I think this is that after eating a lot of raw fiber for a

while, the diameter of the waste product becomes unquestionably

larger, eat no fiber processed foods and diameter gets smaller.

 

Here is an interesting observation by one of my fellow raw group

organizers:

 

It was Dr Dennis Burkitt, a personal friend of mine and a Public

Health Service Physician affiliate with the Groote Schuur Ziekenhuis

(Large Barn Hospital) in South Africa who was the most outspoken

Medical Doctor against cooked food on that continent. He was known

world-wide for his alternative views and lectured in medical schools

all over the world - including several time here in NJ and PA.

He was the one who introduced me to some of the indiginous tribes who

ate their highly unrefined diets and had stools so large, three times

daily, as to be astounding to white people. He considered this not

only to be normal - but the standard. These people had no intestinal

diseases. Appendicitis was unknown to them - as were tonsillitis,

IBS, ulcers and dozens of other common disorders from which the white

man, with his refined white foods, suffers.

When he evaluated their diets he found that they consumed high levels

of crude fiber (no fiber in eggs, meat or dairy products!) on the

order of 30-50 grams PER DAY - almost 10 times that of what

the " white " man consumed. He did fecal and stool analysis and found

that their fecal mass was enormous - and was 200-300 grams versus the

50-100 grams weight of the standard Western stool.

He then came up with the hypothesis that there must be a direct

relationship between this dietary intake, the large fecal mass, bowel

transit time and the decreased incidence of intestinal disease. For

many years he followed this proposal by setting up detailed

epidermiological and clinical studies and even though he personally

suffered much for his " fly in the face " alternative dogma - his views

were finally accepted by the " big boys " from the AMA. Crude fiber

from raw foods are an important aspect of proper, normal intestinal

function reducing the risk of constipation and other digestive

disorder. Of couse now, knowing the relationships between intestinal

disorders and malignancy, we can add many different cancers to that

combination.

The diet which includes unrefined complex carbohydrates is called the

Lente Diet. It was shown by Dr Cleave, a colleague and friend of

myself and Dr Burkitt, that this lifestyle reduces, prevents and

eliminates the saccarine diseases - those associated with highly

refined flour and sugared products. These include diabetes, obesity,

cavities, blood fats & digestive disorders as well as mental problems

due to the vitamin B deficiencies. ADD and ADHD are on the top of the

list and is related to the fast release of refined CHO sources that

lack fibre and other factors that tend to make for eradic blood sugar

response after eating. Eventually this affects the nervous system and

causes problems that seem irreversable to the medical profession.

Polyphenols such as lignin have been found to bind with simple and

complex CHO and slow their release into the bloodstream - putting far

less strain on the pancreas to secrete insulin.

 

 

rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote:

>

>

> >

> > I think Dr. F is THE authority.

>

> No one person is " the " authority on this. Dr. F ALSO says right in

his

> book that organic versus conventional doesn't make any difference,

> which is totally ridiculous. He also does not believe mucoid plaque

is

> real at all, and yet why do actual pictures of it exist? He's

great, I

> totally agree, but he's not 100% correct on EVERYthing. Nobody is.

>

> Erica

>

[Guest guest]

> As far as mucoid plaque, whatever lines your tubes is throughly

> scrubbed away by the constant action of large quantities of raw

plant

> fiber passing by.

So, something DOES line the tubes.... ;-) LOL. Either way. But to me,

it makes perfect sense. Especially when we eat so much plastic

(margarine, etc).

 

> It was Dr Dennis Burkitt---

OK- regarding this information -- FASCINATING! :-) :-) Thanks for

posting!!!! I don't doubt any of it. Dr. Schulze travelled the world

investigating stools (LOL) and came upon similar findings. I will

TOTALLY research Burkitt more, that ROCKS!

 

 

 

I am glad Fuhrman is into organics now. I was shocked when I read

that. He is otherwise so knowledgeable. We all continue

growing/evolving.... Great post!!!