Principle: Self-Cleansing; Mucoid plaque ... another myth

[Guest guest]

Yes, Erin, what you suggest is correct ... and one of the few instances

where I find myself completely in agreement with the medical folks.

 

If you talk with surgeons and surgical nurses, 100% of the time they say

that whenever they open someone's intestine, all along its path they find no

mucoid plaque ... even when they encounter the most perforated,decimated

colons imaginable in someone still alive. This is not theory, they are

standing there looking at the inside of the intestine ... something I rather

suspect not a single cleanse vendor has ever done.

 

I have personally participated in several such conversations, and I've heard

the same from 2 or 3 others, over the years. I believe these people, because

they are witnessing with their own eyes and in a manner completely

unavailable to the rest of us and not speaking from theory, beliefs, etc.

 

If we actually look at the ingredients in these cleanses, they are basically

recipes for sludge. Most are composed largely of dry, heavy fiber (typically

psyllium husk) that soaks up a massive amount of water and turns gelatinous

within less than a minute to the point where one cannot even stir it in a

glass, and/or of Bentonite clay, which becomes sludge in its own right in

the presence of water (sort of like watering mud in your backyard). Both of

these would bring the flow of fluid in any pipe to a complete halt in a

matter of seconds. We are designed to consume primarily high-water-content

foods, not sludge.

 

Of course, as I write so frequently, you need not believe anything I (or

anyone else here) says on this topic. Just follow the product directions,

stir up a batch of the stuff in a glass of water, and watch for 30-60

seconds. If you don't want to buy the stuff, perhaps someone here who has

some in a closet would be willing to experiment and share the results. (I'm

guessing that in a population of a couple thousand people, SOMEONE has such

ingredients lying around. :) Perhaps one of you (in)famous lurkers out

there??? Chance to give something back to the group.

 

This conversation brings to my mind a fundamental principle of health that

is observable throughout all of Nature:

 

Every living organism, and every living cell within each organism,

cleanses itself by design.

 

No other species in the history of the world goes around mixing up cleanses

or shooting water backward up its hind end. (Pardon my atypically strong use

of language.) True, some animals eat substances to help clear their

digestive systems; for example, cats eat leaves (large cats) and grasses

(pet-sized). But in every case of which I am aware, animals do such things

on a regular (often daily) basis. In other words, they do so instinctually,

by design. Only people, who for some reason are the smartest yet sometimes

act like the stupidest animals on Earth, do such things to themselves and to

one another on a sort of " random " basis.

 

If we simply eat high-water-content foods, and including plenty of tender

leafy greens, the fiber we consume does its job, and we're just fine. And

.... I always like to put in a plug for the rest of healthful living: we

thrive best when we live actively and get plenty of rest, sunshine, fresh

air ... the works.

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

Erin [truepatriot]

Friday, September 28, 2007 3:56 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: mucoid plaque

 

 

One interesting theory on so-called mucoid plaque is that it is actually a

byproduct of the " cleanses " themselves, many of which contain clay and

fibers, etc., that could easily create such junk themselves and appear to

offer proof of a pre-existing condition.

 

-Erin

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Elchanan -

I agree with you about some of the colon cleanses. I finally did the

Blessed Herbs cleanse - friends had done it and FINALLY

released " plaque " (which I do feel I know exists, but...) and so I

coughed up the money and did it. I knew from the

first..er..evacuation that it was a lot of the herbs and stuff,

totally. I told my friends my consensus, and at first they were

all " nooo! " , but it was just obvious to me.

HOWEVER, what nobody can explain are the OTHER instances. That

argument is all well and good and is DEFINITELY the case at times.

But I did a thirty-four day water fast a few years back. I read all

my Shelton, Ehret and even Meyeorowtiz (sp?) has a nice intro book on

it, and even Furhman's book on it (which I love). I was still new to

cleansing / raw, and so I didn't recognize it, but - without being

graphic, LOL - when I eliminated for the first time after 34 days of

water, it was black, rubbery, super long... and looked like my

intestines! Like a jello mold! I honestly, in my wee bit of naivete',

for a second thought I had eliminated my intestines. It even felt

different than regular elimination. There was no way it was betonite,

charcoal or the like.

So, I definitely agree that it's not always mucoid plaque, but how

can I not say it exists when I experienced it? What was that, then?

Hope you're not eating dinner,

Erica

[Guest guest]

I have been questioning mucoid plaque myself. A few years back I

went with my mom to her colonoscopy. (She's had surgery removing

parts of her intestines in the past and eats a SAD diet, her mother

is a colon cancer survivor) She had taken an over the counter

laxative by mouth the night before the procedure with no other

foods. She was given pictures of her colon after the procedure where

a couple polyps were removed. The pictures showed her colon walls

clean, glistening, and slightly pink like the inside of someone's

mouth cheek.

 

I wondered if this mucoid plaque I've read about is possibly:

further up the intestines, is a result of more " invisible " toxins

pulled out of the intestinal walls, or a result of the ingredients

going into the mouth, as you describe below like bentonite clay,

licorice root, and flax goo.

 

Jan

 

 

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Yes, Erin, what you suggest is correct ... and one of the few

instances

> where I find myself completely in agreement with the medical

folks.

>

> If you talk with surgeons and surgical nurses, 100% of the time

they say

> that whenever they open someone's intestine, all along its path

they find no

> mucoid plaque ... even when they encounter the most

perforated,decimated

> colons imaginable in someone still alive. This is not theory, they

are

> standing there looking at the inside of the intestine ...

something I rather

> suspect not a single cleanse vendor has ever done.

>

> I have personally participated in several such conversations, and

I've heard

> the same from 2 or 3 others, over the years. I believe these

people, because

> they are witnessing with their own eyes and in a manner completely

> unavailable to the rest of us and not speaking from theory,

beliefs, etc.

>

> If we actually look at the ingredients in these cleanses, they are

basically

> recipes for sludge. Most are composed largely of dry, heavy fiber

(typically

> psyllium husk) that soaks up a massive amount of water and turns

gelatinous

> within less than a minute to the point where one cannot even stir

it in a

> glass, and/or of Bentonite clay, which becomes sludge in its own

right in

> the presence of water (sort of like watering mud in your

backyard). Both of

> these would bring the flow of fluid in any pipe to a complete halt

in a

> matter of seconds. We are designed to consume primarily high-water-

content

> foods, not sludge.

>

> Of course, as I write so frequently, you need not believe anything

I (or

> anyone else here) says on this topic. Just follow the product

directions,

> stir up a batch of the stuff in a glass of water, and watch for 30-

60

> seconds. If you don't want to buy the stuff, perhaps someone here

who has

> some in a closet would be willing to experiment and share the

results. (I'm

> guessing that in a population of a couple thousand people, SOMEONE

has such

> ingredients lying around. :) Perhaps one of you (in)famous

lurkers out

> there??? Chance to give something back to the group.

>

> This conversation brings to my mind a fundamental principle of

health that

> is observable throughout all of Nature:

>

> Every living organism, and every living cell within each

organism,

> cleanses itself by design.

>

> No other species in the history of the world goes around mixing up

cleanses

> or shooting water backward up its hind end. (Pardon my atypically

strong use

> of language.) True, some animals eat substances to help clear their

> digestive systems; for example, cats eat leaves (large cats) and

grasses

> (pet-sized). But in every case of which I am aware, animals do

such things

> on a regular (often daily) basis. In other words, they do so

instinctually,

> by design. Only people, who for some reason are the smartest yet

sometimes

> act like the stupidest animals on Earth, do such things to

themselves and to

> one another on a sort of " random " basis.

>

> If we simply eat high-water-content foods, and including plenty of

tender

> leafy greens, the fiber we consume does its job, and we're just

fine. And

> ... I always like to put in a plug for the rest of healthful

living: we

> thrive best when we live actively and get plenty of rest,

sunshine, fresh

> air ... the works.

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> Erin [truepatriot]

> Friday, September 28, 2007 3:56 PM

> rawfood

> [Raw Food] Re: mucoid plaque

>

>

> One interesting theory on so-called mucoid plaque is that it is

actually a

> byproduct of the " cleanses " themselves, many of which contain clay

and

> fibers, etc., that could easily create such junk themselves and

appear to

> offer proof of a pre-existing condition.

>

> -Erin

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I, through experience, have found when I take psyllium husk, it

turms into " concrete " in my system and what a painful job it is to

remove that!!! Sorry!

 

Also I have had 2 colonoscopies and saw pictures afterwards of a

very clean pink bowel after taking a liquid laxative the night

before. So I have a hard time beleiving my bowels are full of

mucoid plaque.

 

Susan

 

rawfood , " allensapmom " <imalwayslearning

wrote:

>

> I have been questioning mucoid plaque myself. A few years back I

> went with my mom to her colonoscopy. (She's had surgery removing

> parts of her intestines in the past and eats a SAD diet, her

mother

> is a colon cancer survivor) She had taken an over the counter

> laxative by mouth the night before the procedure with no other

> foods. She was given pictures of her colon after the procedure

where

> a couple polyps were removed. The pictures showed her colon walls

> clean, glistening, and slightly pink like the inside of someone's

> mouth cheek.

>

> I wondered if this mucoid plaque I've read about is possibly:

> further up the intestines, is a result of more " invisible " toxins

> pulled out of the intestinal walls, or a result of the ingredients

> going into the mouth, as you describe below like bentonite clay,

> licorice root, and flax goo.

>

> Jan

>

>

> rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan@> wrote:

> >

> > Yes, Erin, what you suggest is correct ... and one of the few

> instances

> > where I find myself completely in agreement with the medical

> folks.

> >

> > If you talk with surgeons and surgical nurses, 100% of the time

> they say

> > that whenever they open someone's intestine, all along its path

> they find no

> > mucoid plaque ... even when they encounter the most

> perforated,decimated

> > colons imaginable in someone still alive. This is not theory,

they

> are

> > standing there looking at the inside of the intestine ...

> something I rather

> > suspect not a single cleanse vendor has ever done.

> >

> > I have personally participated in several such conversations,

and

> I've heard

> > the same from 2 or 3 others, over the years. I believe these

> people, because

> > they are witnessing with their own eyes and in a manner

completely

> > unavailable to the rest of us and not speaking from theory,

> beliefs, etc.

> >

> > If we actually look at the ingredients in these cleanses, they

are

> basically

> > recipes for sludge. Most are composed largely of dry, heavy

fiber

> (typically

> > psyllium husk) that soaks up a massive amount of water and turns

> gelatinous

> > within less than a minute to the point where one cannot even

stir

> it in a

> > glass, and/or of Bentonite clay, which becomes sludge in its own

> right in

> > the presence of water (sort of like watering mud in your

> backyard). Both of

> > these would bring the flow of fluid in any pipe to a complete

halt

> in a

> > matter of seconds. We are designed to consume primarily high-

water-

> content

> > foods, not sludge.

> >

> > Of course, as I write so frequently, you need not believe

anything

> I (or

> > anyone else here) says on this topic. Just follow the product

> directions,

> > stir up a batch of the stuff in a glass of water, and watch for

30-

> 60

> > seconds. If you don't want to buy the stuff, perhaps someone

here

> who has

> > some in a closet would be willing to experiment and share the

> results. (I'm

> > guessing that in a population of a couple thousand people,

SOMEONE

> has such

> > ingredients lying around. :) Perhaps one of you (in)famous

> lurkers out

> > there??? Chance to give something back to the group.

> >

> > This conversation brings to my mind a fundamental principle of

> health that

> > is observable throughout all of Nature:

> >

> > Every living organism, and every living cell within each

> organism,

> > cleanses itself by design.

> >

> > No other species in the history of the world goes around mixing

up

> cleanses

> > or shooting water backward up its hind end. (Pardon my

atypically

> strong use

> > of language.) True, some animals eat substances to help clear

their

> > digestive systems; for example, cats eat leaves (large cats) and

> grasses

> > (pet-sized). But in every case of which I am aware, animals do

> such things

> > on a regular (often daily) basis. In other words, they do so

> instinctually,

> > by design. Only people, who for some reason are the smartest yet

> sometimes

> > act like the stupidest animals on Earth, do such things to

> themselves and to

> > one another on a sort of " random " basis.

> >

> > If we simply eat high-water-content foods, and including plenty

of

> tender

> > leafy greens, the fiber we consume does its job, and we're just

> fine. And

> > ... I always like to put in a plug for the rest of healthful

> living: we

> > thrive best when we live actively and get plenty of rest,

> sunshine, fresh

> > air ... the works.

> >

> > Best,

> > Elchanan

> > _____

> >

> > Erin [truepatriot@]

> > Friday, September 28, 2007 3:56 PM

> > rawfood

> > [Raw Food] Re: mucoid plaque

> >

> >

> > One interesting theory on so-called mucoid plaque is that it is

> actually a

> > byproduct of the " cleanses " themselves, many of which contain

clay

> and

> > fibers, etc., that could easily create such junk themselves and

> appear to

> > offer proof of a pre-existing condition.

> >

> > -Erin

> >

> >

> >