Guest guest Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 Hi Tommie, I'm usually pretty quiet on this list, but I'll give you my experience. I had a gallbladder attack a few years ago, in the middle of the night, and ended up in the ER because I was afraid it was a heart attack. I went on a totally fat free diet (and I was fanatic about it, but a week later it happened again. I tried to stick it out with diet by another week after that I had an even worse attack. Long story short, I ended up having it out and the doctor told me there were over two hundred stones, and that I might have made it worse by waiting. That was in 2004. But I read recently in a magazine that there is something that doctors can try now to dissolve the stones. Might be worth checking into. Hope this helps! Susan ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 Tommie, Ouch! You must be so very uncomfortable, and afraid, as well. Yes, I have thoughts ... and in such a situation, I always choose to suggest a direct conversation. If you wish, just write to me privately at Elchanan, and I'll be happy to spend some time talking with you. But it would be imprudent to try to advise via email. Best, Elchanan _____ Tommie [jerushy] Sunday, September 30, 2007 3:25 AM rawfood [Raw Food] Gallbladder Attack Morning, folks, I hate to come on here with a cry of help (or, at least a yelp) when I haven't been participating for so long. I've looked up past posts so please don't tell me to do that. I didn't find my answer in any of them--especially since a lot of them were mine. On a recent trip to NYC, I ate overt fat every day except two. That would mean five of the seven. After I came home, I laid off it for three days but had the beginnings of the attack on the third. Not recognizing the symptoms (after all, it had been more than two years since I'd been so afflicted) I ate half an avocado for my last meal yesterday. I started chilling and was thinking it might be an old ulcer that was cropping up because of all the stress I've experienced lately. Then, in addition to the pain in my mid-section, it moved into my back. Aha! Maybe gallbladder? I got up in the early hours of this morning and started drinking warm water. I've peed a lot but I've also had several BMs. That hasn't helped stop the pain. It has now moved from the center of my mid-section to the gallbladder, itself. There is one thing I do not want to do and that's have a cholecystectomy. However, the mother of one of my children's friends had to have one after being a vegan for years. She almost died because she kept putting it off and it ended up gangrenous. She was in the hospital for quite awhile, recovering. I don't want to gamble with my life and lose. I also know that's her story and there's a good chance mine wouldn't duplicate it but that isn't something I know for sure, either. Any thoughts? Tommie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 Thanks, Susan. I talked to the doctor about that some time back and she said I'd have to take it the rest of my life. I'd think I'd only have to take it if I continued to eat overt/covert fat. If I stayed off of fat, seems like it would remove the problem without removing the gallbladder. Nothing seems logical where medicine is concerned. Tommie rawfood , Suki7star wrote: > > Hi Tommie, > I'm usually pretty quiet on this list, but I'll give you my experience. I > had a gallbladder attack a few years ago, in the middle of the night, and > ended up in the ER because I was afraid it was a heart attack. I went on a totally > fat free diet (and I was fanatic about it, but a week later it happened > again. I tried to stick it out with diet by another week after that I had an even > worse attack. Long story short, I ended up having it out and the doctor told me > there were over two hundred stones, and that I might have made it worse by > waiting. > That was in 2004. > But I read recently in a magazine that there is something that doctors > can try now to dissolve the stones. > Might be worth checking into. > Hope this helps! > Susan > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http:// www.aol.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 30, 2007 Report Share Posted September 30, 2007 Tommie, Have you ever done a liver cleanse? My husband and I have done this one several times with great results http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/liver/huldas_recipe.asp. Give it a try. It's better than losing your gallbladder. Also, when you are in pain place a soft flannel cloth with castor oil on it over your gallbladder. This will draw out poisons. The cloth will turn black. I had a girlfriend eight months pregnant, ate a horrible diet, and who was having gallbladder attacks. While she was lying in bed I covered her gallbladder with a soft flannel cloth impregnated with castor oil and after about ten minutes she felt much better. She wouldn't change her unhealthy diet and so after the baby was born (and she still had insurance) she went ahead and had the gallbladder removed. Marsh rawfood jerushy Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:45:43 +0000 Re: [Raw Food] Gallbladder Attack Thanks, Susan. I talked to the doctor about that some time back and she said I'd have to take it the rest of my life. I'd think I'd only have to take it if I continued to eat overt/covert fat. If I stayed off of fat, seems like it would remove the problem without removing the gallbladder. Nothing seems logical where medicine is concerned. Tommie rawfood , Suki7star wrote: > > Hi Tommie, > I'm usually pretty quiet on this list, but I'll give you my experience. I > had a gallbladder attack a few years ago, in the middle of the night, and > ended up in the ER because I was afraid it was a heart attack. I went on a totally > fat free diet (and I was fanatic about it, but a week later it happened > again. I tried to stick it out with diet by another week after that I had an even > worse attack. Long story short, I ended up having it out and the doctor told me > there were over two hundred stones, and that I might have made it worse by > waiting. > That was in 2004. > But I read recently in a magazine that there is something that doctors > can try now to dissolve the stones. > Might be worth checking into. > Hope this helps! > Susan > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http:// www.aol.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2007 Report Share Posted October 1, 2007 Hi Tommie, I have read that cider vinegar is a good way of dealing with 'stones', see; http://www.vinegarbook.co.uk/Gallstones_and_Kidney_stones.shtml and http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art8171.asp or just google apple+cider+vinegar neal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 Thanks for the tip, Neal, but thankfully I don't need it. Turns out it wasn't gallbladder after all. I spoke to Elchanan at length yesterday (thank YOU, Elchanan!) and he led me through everything I had eaten since Friday afternoon when I started experiencing discomfort. He listened to all the symptoms I told him and even mentioned some I left out. When I agreed I had all of them, he said, " What you have is GAS! " Well, I've seen all those commercials about gas pain but I'd never experienced it before in my 63 years (unless I had colic when I was a baby and I don't remember that). He let me know I was doing the best thing for it--rest and drink water (sorta hard to do both at the same time). He suggested elevating my hips on pillows which is easier than it sounds. I got on the floor to do that because I sleep in a waterbed and the more you put on it, the farther down it goes. Long story short, I feel much better today. I worked up until 15 minutes before my usual quitting time and told the others I'd had enough fun for the day and left. Moral of the story is, if the celery is tough, don't try to eat it. See you! Tommie http://reallyrawfood.com http://reallyrawfood.com/forum rawfood , neal <kneel.pardoe wrote: > > Hi Tommie, > > I have read that cider vinegar is a good way of dealing > with 'stones', see; > > http://www.vinegarbook.co.uk/Gallstones_and_Kidney_stones.shtml > > and > > http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art8171.asp > > or just google apple+cider+vinegar > > neal. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2007 Report Share Posted October 2, 2007 I meant to say elevating one's hips on pillows is HARDER than it sounds! rawfood , " Tommie " <jerushy wrote: > > Thanks for the tip, Neal, but thankfully I don't need it. Turns out > it wasn't gallbladder after all. I spoke to Elchanan at length > yesterday (thank YOU, Elchanan!) and he led me through everything I > had eaten since Friday afternoon when I started experiencing > discomfort. He listened to all the symptoms I told him and even > mentioned some I left out. When I agreed I had all of them, he said, > " What you have is GAS! " Well, I've seen all those commercials about > gas pain but I'd never experienced it before in my 63 years (unless I > had colic when I was a baby and I don't remember that). He let me > know I was doing the best thing for it--rest and drink water (sorta > hard to do both at the same time). He suggested elevating my hips on > pillows which is easier than it sounds. I got on the floor to do that > because I sleep in a waterbed and the more you put on it, the farther > down it goes. Long story short, I feel much better today. I worked up > until 15 minutes before my usual quitting time and told the others > I'd had enough fun for the day and left. > > Moral of the story is, if the celery is tough, don't try to eat it. > > See you! > Tommie > http://reallyrawfood.com > http://reallyrawfood.com/forum > > rawfood , neal <kneel.pardoe@> wrote: > > > > Hi Tommie, > > > > I have read that cider vinegar is a good way of dealing > > with 'stones', see; > > > > http://www.vinegarbook.co.uk/Gallstones_and_Kidney_stones.shtml > > > > and > > > > http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art8171.asp > > > > or just google apple+cider+vinegar > > > > neal. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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