The Misguided Nature of Cleanses (WAS: The Mythology of the Immune System!)

[Guest guest]

I know you don't, Erica, it's looking through an entirely different lens. It

is my sincere hope that, one day, you will set aside some of what you

already " know " and give yourself the opportunity to try on some new ideas.

 

Every time someone does a cleanse, it is an act of the conscious awareness,

attempting to reset or take control over the body's own priorities. In this

sense, it is an act of force upon and against oneself, against one's own

innate intelligence. And the body then has no choice other than to respond

.... to remove the cleanse material itself. Does it look like cleansing? You

bet it does. Is it costly, enervating to the system? Yes. Does it EVER

create lasting health for anyone? No, and that is utterly obvious when we

look at the number of people who are repeat-cleansers.

 

We get fabulous results using no cleanses. Therefore, they are unnecessary.

Furthermore, the ONLY time anyone EVER sees what comes out during a cleanse

is during a cleanse. Therefore, the cleanse itself is being expelled to

create that output. Much more could be said.

 

And, . people who really listen learn to create wonderful health for

themselves for the rest of their lives, without being dependent upon anyone.

That self-reliance is one of the primary goals of natural hygiene, as it is

taught here. You cannot create self-reliance in people by shoveling stuff

down their throats. Nor can they ever experience the fullness of their own

potential if they keep attacking their own bodies with all these cleanses,

herbs, and what not. We have repeatedly had to take people OFF herbs in

order for them to complete a healing process that was blocked by the herbs.

Oh, yes, the herbs appeared to eliminate the symptoms. But this is only

because the herbs themselves are sufficiently toxic to force the body to

eliminate them first. The same is true for most of the so-called cleanses.

 

Erica, you say you wish to help people achieve health. I believe you ...

completely. I believe, without hesitation or reservation, that you are

entirely sincere in this. What I do not comprehend is this: If you really

are so committed, then are you not just a TINY bit curious? I mean, if

people CAN create health without every subjecting themselves to all this

stuff, and without ever spending a penny for any of it, wouldn't you want to

know? Wouldn't that fit your underlying intention?

 

You need not answer me ... I encourage you to answer for yourself. (Of

course, you are welcome to respond, always! :)

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Erica

Tuesday, October 09, 2007 4:32 PM

rawfood

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But how are cleanses treating symptoms? I don't feel they are. Erica

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> I know you don't, Erica, it's looking through an entirely

different lens. It

> is my sincere hope that, one day, you will set aside some of what

you

> already " know " and give yourself the opportunity to try on some

new ideas.

 

Elchanan, I truly feel the same way towards you and other

hygienists. Natural Hygiene is somewhat of a " filter " , a chosen

belief that everything falls inside or outside (mostly outside).

When you look at the big picture and accept that NH does not work

for all and has been known to cause problems in some, and when you

stop discounting the truth that some herbs and other natural

modalities (superfoods, etc) have worked astronomically to the

benefit of mankind in regaining health, you see that you can either

try to convert the whole world to natural hygiene or you can work to

achieve and teach natural health. They are not necessarily mutually

exclusive. When people totally discount other experiences and

successes because it doesn't suit their selected philosophy,

regardless of how helpful it can be to those in compromised health---

it is disheartening. Someone with cancer would benefit from red

clover. It has aided tons of people for years and years in reversing

it. How dare a natural health teacher refrain from giving a scared,

suffering individual that information because it doesn't suit their

OWN selected tunnel-philosophy? That is as scary to me as when

doctors don't give patients all of their options objectively (i.e.

natural reversal) strictly because they are paid to say something

else. It should be not be about our own vested interests, it should

be about helping others. Simply put, cleansing works. Herbs aren't

evil. They don't force anything. An example: water fasting - a NH

favorite - is far harsher on an individual and something I would

never recommend anymore in a million years, especially to an ill

person. It is far more severe and potentially dangerous than any

herbal cleanse. But NH-ers would never bat an eye at suggesting it.

>

> Erica, you say you wish to help people achieve health. I believe

you ...

> completely. I believe, without hesitation or reservation, that you

are

> entirely sincere in this. What I do not comprehend is this: If you

really

> are so committed, then are you not just a TINY bit curious? I

mean, if

> people CAN create health without every subjecting themselves to

all this

> stuff, and without ever spending a penny for any of it, wouldn't

you want to

> know? Wouldn't that fit your underlying intention?

 

I actually do. I help many. With a wide variety of issues. The

cleansing they do or herbal remedies or essiac tea or supertonic or

raw vegan foods or colonics or jucie fasts or rife machines they

buy, or - more likely - the combination of the above, is nothing

they are subjecting their bodies to. They are not interested in

being natural hygienists or any one thing, they are interested in

creating health. I don't help them become NH-ers, I help them become

healthy. There is a difference. That is why I give them the

information I do, and they find results so fast. Of course I am

curious about NH. I have studied it and agree with a lot of it. I do

think aspects are scary, though, namely that it shuts out all the

other natural health successes people have had that are not

hygienically-based. Why aren't NH-ers curious about these other

successes? Why is it taken personally or why is it that it doesn't

count if it wasn't hygienic? All these cancer reversals and disease

reversals, but they will still stick to their chosen path instead of

developing a broader philosophy that encompasses all. It is really

comparable, unfortunately, to the selection of say, one religion,

say " Catholicism " , and then just discounting the Buddha, Mohammad,

and all other beautiful messengers, because they are not in their

bible or not a part of their religion, regardless of their messages,

etc. I believe that you are sincere in your intent to assist others,

too, but I genuinely think natural hygienists could benefit from

stepping away from that selective lens/filter and objectively

looking at what works and why it does. It could truly be the

difference between life and death for some of their

students/clients. I don't choose a selective filter. I appreciate

natural laws, as animals, (raw, vegan), but outside of that, there

are a wide variety of modalities that work, and I am glad for it

because these diseases that people are getting have to be addressed

aggressively. Just eating fruit is not going to cut it. Erica

[Guest guest]

Evolution of medicine :-

 

I have a headache ...

 

2000 BC - Eat this root

 

1000 AD - That root is infected. say this prayer.

 

1850 AD - That prayer is superstition. drink this potion.

 

1940 AD - That potion is snake oil. swallow this pill.

 

1985 AD - That pill is ineffective. take this antibiotic.

 

2000 AD - That antibiotic is artificial. eat this root.

 

 

Or one could drink some water, lie down, and sleep it off...

 

Caron

 

 

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " Caron " <carongroups wrote:

>

> Evolution of medicine :-

>

> I have a headache ...

>

> 2000 BC - Eat this

root

> 2000 AD - That antibiotic is artificial. eat this root.

>

>

> Or one could drink some water, lie down, and sleep it off...

>

> Caron

>

Totally. I love this gem. Or they could employ hot/cold hydrotherapy.

Or drink some kava kava. Or do some yoga....