From Holocaust to Managed Health Care (WAS: Principle for Vibrant Living: Self-Cleansing & Rest; The Fallacy of Diagnostic Testing; Lyme Disease)

[Guest guest]

Hi Erica,

 

Well, then, perhaps we're closer together in perspective here than I

thought. I have, for the most part, observed that diagnoses ARE directly

harmful. Once people have " information " , it enters their mind and stays with

them. From my perspective, health includes actively choosing what enters my

awareness, on what I will focus. I would never inflict a diagnosis upon

myself, except, as I've written repeatedly, in the instance of overt trauma.

 

 

I like your example about the kale-and-acid bath. (My term, yes. I'd

surely never recommend that anyone eat that way, and I know you wouldn't, as

well. Feel sorry for what that person must have gone through!!! Ouch!!!

 

I particularly appreciate your closing comments about doctors. Are you

familiar with Gary Null's study on iatrogenic causes?

 

(Now before someone goes off saying " Elchanan, how can you point to a study

after what you just wrote about studies? " ... this study is a review of

statistical data only. In other words, it's a statistical analysis of

government and insurance industry data, nothing more. Performing a

statistical analysis on statistical data can work ... and in this case, both

the CDC (Centers for Disease Control) and the private insurance industry DO

have sufficient budgets to collect high-quality data consistently and over

time.) Whew! Handled that one, I hope.

 

Anyway, the point is that death from iatrogenic causes is the #1 killer in

America, dwarfing the popularly accepted #1 cause, which is heart disease.

In fact, it's likely that iatrogenic causes are at the root of more than 1

million deaths annually in the U.S. That means that the drug and medical

industry are killing ... PREDICTABLY KILLING ... more than 1 million people

here, each and every year.

 

For perspective, this is roughly the " production rate " at Auschwitz during

the height of its " production " in 1944. In other words, this is willful mass

murder, crimes against humanity as WELL defined at the Nuremberg trials

following WW II.

 

What is the significance of this?

 

We are living in the midst of a holocaust, right here, right now, each and

every day. And whereas the Nazi holocaust was labeled " crimes against

humanity " , this holocaust is now labeled " managed health care " .

 

Just grist for the mill, as it were.

 

Best to all,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Erica

Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:54 AM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Principle for Vibrant Living: Self-Cleansing & Rest;

The Fallacy of Diagnostic Testing; Lyme Disease (WAS: Where do we get our

protein?; Cleansing & Innate Intelligence [bruce Lipton])

 

>>> We shall simply have to agree to disagree on medical testing.

Occasionally very valuable, for the most part scares people without reason.

SO many of the tests are just plain wrong, either because, for example, a

blood test cannot tell what's going on in cells (B12), or because the test

is normed on a sick population, or for MANY other reasons. But to try and

isolate one symptom that MIGHT not be self-induced, while still living with

hundreds of symptoms that ARE self-induced, is an entirely futile activity,

and one for which no medical test is designed.

 

Elchanan, I by and large agree with this. I believe testing (even through

naturpaths, not necessarily western doctors, etc) is important and smart to

do, but it would rarely affect the course of recovery (although that is not

to say it doesn't at all). But for example, somebody had a low thyroid, as

a friend did. She went raw and ate tons of organic kale everyday. Which

suppresses the thyroid. As does citrus, and she drank tons of fresh

OJ/Grapefruit juice. Things like that make up my reasoning on the issue.

 

It is also of my opinion that doctors are murderers, by and large. As well

as crooks. How they can kill people with no shame and no disciplinarian

action taken is horribly offensive and should be illegal.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

From my perspective, health includes actively choosing what enters my

> awareness, on what I will focus.

 

OMG, totally. YOU NAME IT, YOU CLAIM IT! What are the 2 most powerful

words in the English language? Anyone? Anyone? I AM. Anything you

say after that sets the stage. And " I HAVE... " is just as powerful. I

am so guilty of this one, ug. For so years. Awful, awful, awful.

 

 

 

> Anyway, the point is that death from iatrogenic causes is the #1

killer in

> America, dwarfing the popularly accepted #1 cause, which is heart

disease.

 

You know, I ran a chiropractic office for years. And I LOVED it. The

philosophy is so totally the same. Anti-vaccine. Anti-antibiotic.

Healing from within. I actually left because I was so interested in

raw, but also because the doctors were all into their steaks and

stuff, and disinterested in the stuff I was learning about, that it

really began to turn me off. BUT we always discussed how iatrogenic

death was the #1 cause. (And we'd tell people how the first symptom

of a heart attack is often death. Chiropractors are into treating the

cause, not the symptom, etc.) So, I was aware of that statistic, but

am always glad to see it referenced. Hospitals SMELL like death, or

concentration camps. GREAT GREAT ANALOGY / FRAME OF REFERENCE. I

cannot believe what doctors get away with.

 

One of my best best friends is a raw educator - she is the one with

Lymes. Her son's eye was bulging, he was getting migraines, etc. She

took him to about 2 or 3 doctors here who all said he was " fine " . No

problem at all with him. She KNEW something was wrong. She drove him

5 hours to a specialist in Portland who took one look at him and said

he had a tumor. He did. A huge angiofibroma (sp?) behind his eyes.

The size of like a grapefruit. Had he so much as gotten a nosebleed,

he would have died. His skull was like an eggshell almost in the

frontal lobe area. They did surgery. But those things usually come

back, and it did. (Note: He was like 16 at the time). This time she

got him to eat vegan, eat high raw, and to do certain herbs, etc,

that her naturpath gave her (chapparral *is* known to shrink tumors),

and even though the doctors/specialists said it would never work, it

DID. But now he's eating crap again and of course they are coming

back. So, we'll see what happens...

 

I mean, doctors are so intimidating - so few stick up to them. They

are so demeaning, etc. And here they would have killed my friend's

child and still be held in such high-esteem by our pro-death society.

 

ANOTHER STORY:

 

One of the people I met at Creative Health Institute was a 54 yr old

ex-yoga teacher with horrible nerve damage. HORRIBLE. Personally, I

would rather try to reverse AIDS - in myself - than nerve damage. It

is just a different arena.

 

She had horrible nerve damage because she had renal cell carcinoma.

She went to the doctor and found out about it, then chose natural

health. She consulted with David Wolfe (she lived in San Diego and

was always familiar with raw, although didn't live it per se and had

many demons - ie. smoking, etc). She began following his advice and

it WAS shrinking. Her cancer slowly stopped growing, and then slowly

started to reverse. The doctor that diagnosed her LIED when it shrunk

a tiny bit and told her it hadn't. He felt so bad - she didn't have

insurance - that he took it out for free. He convinced her the

natural stuff wasn't working.

 

Shortly after the operation, she developed this burning.... started

in her gut. Soon, her entire body was incapacitated by it. And she is

still in that situation today. It is AWFUL. The strongest of pain

pills (which she hates and was trying to get off of), only make it

bearly tolerable.

 

I will say that raw did help her. And she is far from perfect. The

minute she COULD ever walk, it was to the store to get cigarettes! Or

a burger, etc.

 

One time, though, she was in horrible, horrible pain. A very bad

bout. And she was always CRAZY RUDE and scary to people when she was.

A horrible attitude at times.

 

I found out Kam Yuen was going to be in Chicago doing a free

introductory class on his energy work - Yuen Method. It is

UNBELIEVABLE. I had had it done on me before many times by a

practitioner, and I KNEW he could help her IF she could get a minute

of his time. Even just to give her HOPE. I dragged her miserable,

rude butt to Chicago (3 hour drive) to go to Karyn's (raw restaurant)

and then to the talk. He did demos, calling random people up for a 1

minute session, etc. Without even touching her, he started going

through his checkpoints. My friend's pain was alleviated so much from

his two minute session, it was amazing. She was so cheery on the ride

back to Michigan (thank God!!!) and went on a 2 mile walk the next

day. EVERYBODY at the center just about keeled over at the difference

in her, physically and attitude-wise. She was a charming woman when

she wasn't in unbearable pain.

 

Yuen's site is at: http://www.yuenmethod.com/

 

MAKES ME WONDER HOW THIS WORLD WOULD BE IF EVERYBODY WAS ALKALINE,

NOBODY HAD PAIN, EVERYBODY HAD ENERGY AND WASN'T TIRED AND FELT

PEACEFUL AND WELL-RESTED AND BALANCED....

 

Erica

[Guest guest]

Erica,

 

Have you seen this: www.crazysexycancer.com? The docu is on TLC on

Halloween.

It's excellent.

 

On Oct 12, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Erica wrote:

 

> MAKES ME WONDER HOW THIS WORLD WOULD BE IF EVERYBODY WAS ALKALINE,

> NOBODY HAD PAIN, EVERYBODY HAD ENERGY AND WASN'T TIRED AND FELT

> PEACEFUL AND WELL-RESTED AND BALANCED....

>

> Erica

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

rawfood , The Avocadess <avocadess wrote:

>

> Erica,

>

> Have you seen this: www.crazysexycancer.com? The docu is on TLC on

> Halloween.

> It's excellent.

 

I have heard of it, and have read her updates, but have never seen

it.

 

To be totally honest, as an animal rights activist, I'm also a civil

rights activist and feminist (all of which I figured out first, or

earlier). They are all the same thing. I will probably check it out

sometime, but I really have a hard time with woman having to sex

everything up to sell it, whether it was the " sexy bitches like it

raw " , where they dumb themselves down and sex up everything, or

whether it's PETA, whom I boycott as a result, or trying to paint

cancer up as sexy. I do think it can be a great gift, etc, but that

was my first impression when I heard 'Crazy Sexy Cancer'. I hope it's

not totally true, but I did kind of roll my eyes. I do like the -

pardon me - " Fuck Cancer " knit hats I saw she sells. That is awesome

and I have no problem with it. Erica

[Guest guest]

She explains the reason she calls it " crazysexycancer " and I think,

but am not positive, that

the reason she chose the title is because of the horrible & often

sexist stereotype people

put on those with this illness. I haven't seen the entire

documentary, but I'll be watching

on the 31st. The trailer on her website is really good and I think

she explains the title in it.

 

But yeah, we're on the same page. The exact you mention annoys me too.

I think more men should advertise " Sexy Pricks " or " Sexy Misogynist

Pigs " using such gender biased

tags. I would of said " Sexy Bastards " which cracked me up, but then

the term bastard

is directly related to degrading women, so I didn't.

 

But yeah, I agree. At times it's annoying.

 

On Oct 15, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Erica wrote:

 

> To be totally honest, as an animal rights activist, I'm also a civil

> rights activist and feminist (all of which I figured out first, or

> earlier). They are all the same thing. I will probably check it out

> sometime, but I really have a hard time with woman having to sex

> everything up to sell it, whether it was the " sexy bitches like it

> raw " , where they dumb themselves down and sex up everything, or

> whether it's PETA, whom I boycott as a result, or trying to paint

> cancer up as sexy. I do think it can be a great gift, etc, but that

> was my first impression when I heard 'Crazy Sexy Cancer'. I hope it's

> not totally true, but I did kind of roll my eyes. I do like the -

> pardon me - " Fuck Cancer " knit hats I saw she sells. That is awesome

> and I have no problem with it. Erica

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote:

>

> rawfood , The Avocadess <avocadess@> wrote:

> >

> > Erica,

> >

> > Have you seen this: www.crazysexycancer.com? The docu is on TLC

on

> > Halloween.

> > It's excellent.

>

> I have heard of it, and have read her updates, but have never seen

> it.

>

> To be totally honest, as an animal rights activist, I'm also a

civil

> rights activist and feminist (all of which I figured out first, or

> earlier). They are all the same thing. I will probably check it out

> sometime, but I really have a hard time with woman having to sex

> everything up to sell it, whether it was the " sexy bitches like it

> raw " , where they dumb themselves down and sex up everything, or

> whether it's PETA, whom I boycott as a result, or trying to paint

> cancer up as sexy. I do think it can be a great gift, etc, but that

> was my first impression when I heard 'Crazy Sexy Cancer'. I hope

it's

> not totally true, but I did kind of roll my eyes. I do like the -

> pardon me - " Fuck Cancer " knit hats I saw she sells. That is

awesome

> and I have no problem with it. Erica

 

I watched this documentary film and found it very honest and

touching. Erica, you needn't worry that she is using her

obvious attractiveness in any exploitative way. I think the

slogan on the hat you like is much more her attitude than

the sexy title. Definitely worth seeing this one!

 

Regarding feminism: It's interesting to me the different

approaches people bring to the table. I guess it's akin

to the WeatherMen vs the non-violent factions of the 60's

peace movement, or the Earth Liberation Front as opposed

to Gloria " Butterfly " Hill. Not as regards violence, but

tactics.

 

In the chess world in which I also reside, we have the former

Women's US Champion w/ her book entitled Chess Bitch. As you

can imagine, it was definitely controversial when it came out.

Was this really the way to get young girls into chess?

 

http://www.zenpawn.com/amazon/?item=189008509X

 

 

-Erin

http://www.vegandonelight.com

[Guest guest]

we have the former

> Women's US Champion w/ her book entitled Chess Bitch.

 

Interesting, never heard of this. I guess I would agree there are many

different approaches, but I personally feel that a woman who uses her

sex to sell herself is hardly feminist, even though plenty would like

for it to be both. Just like they want to eat animals and consider

themselves animal lovers. I struggle with it as a woman, and wish more

women understood this. ERica

[Guest guest]

the horrible & often

> sexist stereotype people

> put on those with this illness.

 

This actually leads me to believe she's a bimbo who is trying to make

cancer hip. I get her updates, and have a hard time reading it. I mean,

men get prostate cancer as often as women get breast cancer. And colon

cancer is everyone, etc. Cancer actually does not have any sexist

stereotype - it sounds like this chick doesn't know sh*t except how to

make money by trying to sell her sex through cancer. It's too bad. I do

all the buying for the raw institute I set up, and can pretty much get

anything I want. I won't get her video because it's a professional

institution. Sort of like how we would never show Elaine Love's " skin-

brushing " video because it actually registers more as softcore.... I

wish I could say that women were more my allies in this patriarchal

society, but most are just " Aunt " Toms. (new term!) Erica