Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 I have been eating about 65-70% raw for the last several months and have noticed a definite increase in hair loss. Any of you other guys (or women) experience this? Tim Carla Rose <rose.carla wrote: Thats interesting because I know a fairly young man (30s) who has been on 80/10/10 for years who has thinning hair. Now I have known men who have genetically gone bald in their teens, but something about him strikes me as odd. He is also very militant about 80/10/10 to the point that he is not pleasant to be around. I tried to eat that way too and my body totally rejected it. At the time, I thought it was the only way to go raw and also caused me to go back to cooked foods I was so sick. Its definitely not the " optimal " diet by a long shot. Carla On 10/23/07, Valerie Richardson <veejaytrue wrote: > > WOW, Part 2 was really great reading. I met Doug Graham many years ago > and just could not get into his 80/10/10 program. My body would not allow me > to stick to it with all the sugar that is in fruit. After returning home > from a LL training programs and attempting to follow the 80/10/10 I actually > gained weight and thats when I knew it wasn't for me. I've always questioned > the loss of hair in many who ate that type diet program. Seeing many > advocates with hair and quickly losing it drew a red flag for me. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Hi Tim, from the studies I've read hair loss may be a sign of a protein deficiency. I have talked with many who are raw 100% and they all advise to increase your intake of sprouts, nuts and seeds. vj www.freshfromnature.com Tim Campbell <jtcaell rawfood Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:00:27 PM Re: [Raw Food] The Downside Of 8/1/1: Hair Loss ( ! ) I have been eating about 65-70% raw for the last several months and have noticed a definite increase in hair loss. Any of you other guys (or women) experience this? Tim Carla Rose <rose.carla (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Thats interesting because I know a fairly young man (30s) who has been on 80/10/10 for years who has thinning hair. Now I have known men who have genetically gone bald in their teens, but something about him strikes me as odd. He is also very militant about 80/10/10 to the point that he is not pleasant to be around. I tried to eat that way too and my body totally rejected it. At the time, I thought it was the only way to go raw and also caused me to go back to cooked foods I was so sick. Its definitely not the " optimal " diet by a long shot. Carla On 10/23/07, Valerie Richardson <veejaytrue > wrote: > > WOW, Part 2 was really great reading. I met Doug Graham many years ago > and just could not get into his 80/10/10 program. My body would not allow me > to stick to it with all the sugar that is in fruit. After returning home > from a LL training programs and attempting to follow the 80/10/10 I actually > gained weight and thats when I knew it wasn't for me. I've always questioned > the loss of hair in many who ate that type diet program. Seeing many > advocates with hair and quickly losing it drew a red flag for me. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Hi Tim, I wasnt losing hair per se, but my hair was getting dryer and breaking off too easy. I increased greens and fats in my diet in the form of green smoothies and young coconut and flax seed oil supplements. I also take borage or evening primrose oil from time to time as well and it has helped a great deal. Carla On 10/24/07, Tim Campbell <jtcaell wrote: > > I have been eating about 65-70% raw for the last several months and have > noticed a definite increase in hair loss. Any of you other guys (or women) > experience this? > > Tim > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 > I have been eating about 65-70% raw for the last several months and have noticed a definite increase in hair loss. Any of you other guys (or women) experience this? > > Tim Tonya from " Beautiful On Raw " swears by her sea veggies for great hair. But Kombucha Tea is great for it, too. It can be applied topically and of course drank. Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 > I wasnt losing hair per se, but my hair was getting dryer and breaking off > too easy. I increased greens and fats in my diet in the form of green > smoothies and young coconut and flax seed oil supplements. I also take > borage or evening primrose oil from time to time as well and it has helped a > great deal. Yes, that usually is solved by increasing fats! A lot of hygienists have brittle hair, weak nails, etc. Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 I would agree that it sounds like you need more healthy fats. It could also be a B Vitamin deficiency. Susanne rawfood , " Carla Rose " <rose.carla wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > I wasnt losing hair per se, but my hair was getting dryer and breaking off > too easy. I increased greens and fats in my diet in the form of green > smoothies and young coconut and flax seed oil supplements. I also take > borage or evening primrose oil from time to time as well and it has helped a > great deal. > > Carla > > On 10/24/07, Tim Campbell <jtcaell wrote: > > > > I have been eating about 65-70% raw for the last several months and have > > noticed a definite increase in hair loss. Any of you other guys (or women) > > experience this? > > > > Tim > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 > Carla Rose <rose.carla wrote: > He is also very militant about 80/10/10 to the point that he is not > pleasant to be around. It may just be coincidence, but many of the 80/10/10 practitioners I have met fit this description! At first I was worried the diet itself somehow caused militaristic psychological states, but then I realized that there will always be people like this, and that they tend to be drawn towards rigid rules and philosophies no matter what their domain of obsession. I find it sad that, although so many report feeling more " connected " after switching to a raw foods diet, so many of us--and I'm not innocent either!--often find ourselves bickering about details and building walls between one another. It has been fascinating to read these various accounts of experiences and opinions on the 80/10/10. There is so much we don't know--let's continue in this vein of sharing and refelecting on the choices we make without losing sight of our own intuition! -Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 > It may just be coincidence, but many of the 80/10/10 practitioners I have met fit this > description! At first I was worried the diet itself somehow caused militaristic psychological > states, but then I realized that there will always be people like this, and that they tend to be > drawn towards rigid rules and philosophies no matter what their domain of obsession. So you think it's just " coincidence " that out of the extraordinarily small population of people who are experienced 8/1/1-ers and exceptionally small part of our population that have premature thinning of the hair or balding, that an unnatural percentage of balding people are simply attracted to 8/1/1 raw vegan diets? That's interesting! > I find it sad that, although so many report feeling more " connected " after switching to a raw > foods diet, so many of us--and I'm not innocent either!--often find ourselves bickering > about details and building walls between one another. I totally agree. I wish this was truly a raw foods group where all raw foodists felt comfortable posting about the raw foods diet, instead of an extremist 8/1/1 group that practices zero tolerance for other people's experiences. Great post, Storm. Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Hi Storm, I must agree. Excellent post - thank you! Wisteria RAW VEGAN GODDESS: http://health.rawvegangoddess/ On Oct 24, 2007, at 5:36 PM, Love Food Lane wrote: > It may just be coincidence, but many of the 80/10/10 practitioners > I have met fit this > description! At first I was worried the diet itself somehow caused > militaristic psychological > states, but then I realized that there will always be people like > this, and that they tend to be > drawn towards rigid rules and philosophies no matter what their > domain of obsession. > > I find it sad that, although so many report feeling more > " connected " after switching to a raw > foods diet, so many of us--and I'm not innocent either!--often find > ourselves bickering > about details and building walls between one another. > > It has been fascinating to read these various accounts of > experiences and opinions on the > 80/10/10. There is so much we don't know--let's continue in this > vein of sharing and > refelecting on the choices we make without losing sight of our own > intuition! > > -Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 If it's protein you're after, up your intake of greens. Greens have the highest amounts of protein according to many sources such as V. Boutenko. On Oct 24, 2007, at 1:14 PM, Valerie Richardson wrote: > Hi Tim, from the studies I've read hair loss may be a sign of a > protein deficiency. I have talked with many who are raw 100% and > they all advise to increase your intake of sprouts, nuts and seeds. > > vj > www.freshfromnature.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Some of the nicest people to converse with online, in my experience, have been the people who form the group Path of Health. I find that those people are willing to open their hearts and minds for the sake of learning. I don't know anyone in the group with a militant spirit about any topic, and that includes Elchanan. He has conviction, opinions, and a sense of passion, but no militancy, of which I am aware. I've been a part of the group since it's formation, and it offers so much for those willing to receive. Has he stepped on my toes before? Oh, yes. And, so have many of my dear friends. Janet rawfood , " Love Food Lane " <lovefoodlaughter wrote: Carla Rose <rose.carla@> wrote: He is also very militant about 80/10/10 to the point that he is not pleasant to be around. It may just be coincidence, but many of the 80/10/10 practitioners I have met fit this description! At first I was worried the diet itself somehow caused militaristic psychological states, but then I realized that there will always be people like this, and that they tend to be drawn towards rigid rules and philosophies no matter what their domain of obsession. I find it sad that, although so many report feeling more " connected " after switching to a raw foods diet, so many of us--and I'm not innocent either!--often find ourselves bickering about details and building walls between one another. It has been fascinating to read these various accounts of experiences and opinions on the 80/10/10. There is so much we don't know--let's continue in this vein of sharing and refelecting on the choices we make without losing sight of our own intuition! Storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 > Hi Tim, from the studies I've read hair loss may be a sign of a protein deficiency. I have talked with many who are raw 100% and they all advise to increase your intake of sprouts, nuts and seeds. > > vj > www.freshfromnature.com Absolutely. Udos Oils is a great balanced fat supplement that is highly recommended. Many are EFA deficient and it's just irresponsible to preach to all that they will successfully manufacturer EFAs from greens! Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2007 Report Share Posted October 25, 2007 Hi Tim, from the studies I've read hair loss may be a sign of a > protein deficiency. Although I wouldn't say it's protein deficiency. Nobody really has ever had that, not in the U.S, they say. Definitely can be a deficiency, though! People suffer from too much protein here (read: the wrong kind!) It's very difficult to not get enough protein, even eating just grapes, etc. Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 - Erica >So you think it's just " coincidence " that out of the extraordinarily small population of people who are experienced 8/1/1-ers and exceptionally small part of our population that have premature thinning of the hair or balding, that an unnatural percentage of balding people are simply attracted to 8/1/1 raw vegan diets? That's interesting! I may be reading this wrong, but it seems you're saying that a small percentage of the population has thinning hair? Have you seen the huge number of " normal " people with thinning or no hair? Hair loss, or male pattern baldness, has been linked to a number of things, ranging from stress, to testosterone levels, to simple genetics (seems to be an X chromosome thing). I know plenty of balding men, however, who have never heard of 80-10-10, and wouldn't live that way if their life depended on it. Caron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 But if the 8/1/1 diet suppose to be the perfect diet, why should anyone lose hair or teeth? Shouldn't it be rather the opposite? Dough Graham mentionet in his last lecture at our Good Mood Food Cafe in Huntington Beach, that if one eats the perfect food, problems will disappear practically instantly. Does that mean on the opposite side, that if something if not perfect one will also experience it practicallly instantly? For example hair or teeth loss. If a no so perfect diet makes you have thick and healthy hair and and a perfect diet makes you lose it, isn't that rather ironic? Chef Ursula www.goodmoodfood.com rawfood , " Caron " <carongroups wrote: > > > - > Erica > >So you think it's just " coincidence " that out of the extraordinarily > small population of people who are experienced 8/1/1-ers and > exceptionally small part of our population that have premature thinning > of the hair or balding, that an unnatural percentage of balding people > are simply attracted to 8/1/1 raw vegan diets? That's interesting! > > I may be reading this wrong, but it seems you're saying that a small > percentage of the population has thinning hair? Have you seen the huge > number of " normal " people with thinning or no hair? > > Hair loss, or male pattern baldness, has been linked to a number of things, > ranging from stress, to testosterone levels, to simple genetics (seems to be > an X chromosome thing). I know plenty of balding men, however, who have > never heard of 80-10-10, and wouldn't live that way if their life depended > on it. > > Caron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Good thoughts Urchora...I think Elchanan is developing a line of thought that would say that just as Paul Bragg (in the quote I posted) spoke of that puddle of mercury being released from his body after years of mostly raw eating and fasting; so the body may need years of this type of living to " get past " the hair loss stage... Tim urhora <goodmoodfood wrote: But if the 8/1/1 diet suppose to be the perfect diet, why should anyone lose hair or teeth? Shouldn't it be rather the opposite? Dough Graham mentioned in his last lecture at our Good Mood Food Cafe in Huntington Beach, that if one eats the perfect food, problems will disappear practically instantly. Does that mean on the opposite side, that if something if not perfect one will also experience it practically instantly? For example hair or teeth loss. If a no so perfect diet makes you have thick and healthy hair and and a perfect diet makes you lose it, isn't that rather ironic? Chef Ursula www.goodmoodfood.com rawfood , " Caron " <carongroups wrote: > > > - > Erica > >So you think it's just " coincidence " that out of the extraordinarily > small population of people who are experienced 8/1/1-ers and > exceptionally small part of our population that have premature thinning > of the hair or balding, that an unnatural percentage of balding people > are simply attracted to 8/1/1 raw vegan diets? That's interesting! > > I may be reading this wrong, but it seems you're saying that a small > percentage of the population has thinning hair? Have you seen the huge > number of " normal " people with thinning or no hair? > > Hair loss, or male pattern baldness, has been linked to a number of things, > ranging from stress, to testosterone levels, to simple genetics (seems to be > an X chromosome thing). I know plenty of balding men, however, who have > never heard of 80-10-10, and wouldn't live that way if their life depended > on it. > > Caron > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 If anyone is worried about hair loss, take a look at my profile picture, and you will see that I have plenty of hair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 Hey Bryan...How long have you been raw? Tim bryan_yamamoto <no_reply > wrote: If anyone is worried about hair loss, take a look at my profile picture, and you will see that I have plenty of hair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 If anyone is worried about hair loss, take a look at my profile > picture, and you will see that I have plenty of hair So does Sylvestore Stallone, but I am not going to live on steaks and eggs. I guess it's great you have a thick head of hair, but that doesn't really help those who are experiencing hair loss issues..?? Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2007 Report Share Posted October 27, 2007 This Christmas I will be 100% raw for 6 years. I started transitioning to raw about 5 months before that. I've been doing 80-10-10 for over 5 years now, though it was a process getting my fat intake down to 10% fat. Many people experience some hair loss as they go through their initial detoxification. For those that stick with raw, the hair comes back thicker and healthier than before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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