Trying Something vs. Mastering It: Two Different Levels of Commitment

[Guest guest]

Carla,

Have you ever worked 1:1 with someone who can teach you how to succeed with

80/10/10? My sense, from the things you've shared, is that you haven't

really learned it fully ... I do not mean this disparagingly at all. I find,

quite often, that people try things for a bit ... usually not very long ...

but do not fully learn about whatever they are trying. So for most people,

most things they explore " don't work for them " . Quite a disillusioning way

to live, actually.

 

Anyway, just a thought. There are various people who could easily help you

explore and discover the differences between what you did and what 80/10/10

is all about. And they could also help you to reperceive some of your own

experience ... to comprehend your own experience / symptoms in ways you

probably have not yet considered or may be unaware of, and therefore to make

better use of your own symptoms as valued sources of information.

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Carla Rose

Friday, October 26, 2007 12:47 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Re: An Overview Of The Living Foods Diet / What Most

Raw Fooders Practice

 

 

Because not everyone can eat that way. It may not be fringe to you, but it

certainly is to me. Different (raw) strokes for different folks, I guess.

Carla

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Right now, what I'm doing is working for me and my body type, metabolism,

activity level, etc. If I find its not working for me, Ill looking into

trying something else (raw), even working with someone. For me, a high

fruit sugar diet is literally sickening to me.

Carla

 

On 10/26/07, Elchanan <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Carla,

> Have you ever worked 1:1 with someone who can teach you how to succeed

> with

> 80/10/10? My sense, from the things you've shared, is that you haven't

> really learned it fully ... I do not mean this disparagingly at all. I

> find,

> quite often, that people try things for a bit ... usually not very long

> ...

> but do not fully learn about whatever they are trying. So for most people,

> most things they explore " don't work for them " . Quite a disillusioning way

> to live, actually.

>

> Anyway, just a thought. There are various people who could easily help you

> explore and discover the differences between what you did and what

> 80/10/10

> is all about. And they could also help you to reperceive some of your own

> experience ... to comprehend your own experience / symptoms in ways you

> probably have not yet considered or may be unaware of, and therefore to

> make

> better use of your own symptoms as valued sources of information.

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood <rawfood%40> [

> rawfood <rawfood%40>] On Behalf Of

> Carla Rose

> Friday, October 26, 2007 12:47 PM

> rawfood <rawfood%40>

> Re: [Raw Food] Re: An Overview Of The Living Foods Diet / What

> Most

> Raw Fooders Practice

>

> Because not everyone can eat that way. It may not be fringe to you, but it

> certainly is to me. Different (raw) strokes for different folks, I guess.

> Carla

>

>

[Guest guest]

80/10/10 doesn't sounds very natural if you need to work with someone

on it 1:1....not natural at all.

 

Sounds more like a way to convince someone to give you money as you

work with them 1:1 on a diet that is physically and mentally hard to

achieve for the very reason that it is not natural.

 

A natural diet does NOT follow some numbering or counting scheme. A

DOCTRINE or opinion, does, however.

 

 

Joe

 

 

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Carla,

> Have you ever worked 1:1 with someone who can teach you how to

succeed with

> 80/10/10? My sense, from the things you've shared, is that you haven't

> really learned it fully ... I do not mean this disparagingly at all.

I find,

> quite often, that people try things for a bit ... usually not very

long ...

> but do not fully learn about whatever they are trying. So for most

people,

> most things they explore " don't work for them " . Quite a

disillusioning way

> to live, actually.

>

> Anyway, just a thought. There are various people who could easily

help you

> explore and discover the differences between what you did and what

80/10/10

> is all about. And they could also help you to reperceive some of

your own

> experience ... to comprehend your own experience / symptoms in ways you

> probably have not yet considered or may be unaware of, and therefore

to make

> better use of your own symptoms as valued sources of information.

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Carla Rose

> Friday, October 26, 2007 12:47 PM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] Re: An Overview Of The Living Foods Diet /

What Most

> Raw Fooders Practice

>

>

> Because not everyone can eat that way. It may not be fringe to you,

but it

> certainly is to me. Different (raw) strokes for different folks, I

guess.

> Carla

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

80/10/10 doesn't require counting and numbers. It's also more than what you put

in your mouth. Health doesn't end with what we eat. There is more than 30

other areas of our lives that contribute to health...proper sleep, sunshine,

emotions, stress, etc. Just having someone to encourage you along the way and

help you gain a greater understanding of this path towards health is great. We

all could benefit from having a good mentor in our life. I have several

individuals who have helped me understand 80/10/10, and not one of them has ever

asked for money. I've also reached out to those around me, and never charged

them for my services. Compassion causes me to be willing to work 1:1 with

someone without asking for monetary reimbursment.

 

Other raw foodist have tried to tell me I need this superfood, or that

supplement (conveniently I can buy directly from them)...you can't possibly

survive on whole, organic fruits, tender greens, and the occasional nuts and

seeds...

 

Who's trying to take the money from my pocket??? Certainly not Elchanan.

 

~Sarah

 

Joe Postma <joepostma wrote:

80/10/10 doesn't sounds very natural if you need to work with someone

on it 1:1....not natural at all.

 

Sounds more like a way to convince someone to give you money as you

work with them 1:1 on a diet that is physically and mentally hard to

achieve for the very reason that it is not natural.

 

A natural diet does NOT follow some numbering or counting scheme. A

DOCTRINE or opinion, does, however.

 

Joe

 

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Carla,

> Have you ever worked 1:1 with someone who can teach you how to

succeed with

> 80/10/10? My sense, from the things you've shared, is that you haven't

> really learned it fully ... I do not mean this disparagingly at all.

I find,

> quite often, that people try things for a bit ... usually not very

long ...

> but do not fully learn about whatever they are trying. So for most

people,

> most things they explore " don't work for them " . Quite a

disillusioning way

> to live, actually.

>

> Anyway, just a thought. There are various people who could easily

help you

> explore and discover the differences between what you did and what

80/10/10

> is all about. And they could also help you to reperceive some of

your own

> experience ... to comprehend your own experience / symptoms in ways you

> probably have not yet considered or may be unaware of, and therefore

to make

> better use of your own symptoms as valued sources of information.

>

> Best,

> Elchanan

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Carla Rose

> Friday, October 26, 2007 12:47 PM

> rawfood

> Re: [Raw Food] Re: An Overview Of The Living Foods Diet /

What Most

> Raw Fooders Practice

>

>

> Because not everyone can eat that way. It may not be fringe to you,

but it

> certainly is to me. Different (raw) strokes for different folks, I

guess.

> Carla

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi Joe,

>

> I don't have time to log on every day, so when I do I find myself

deleting

> en masse. However, I can't bring myself to delete your posts. I

appreciate

> the way you express yourself and that's important for me. Erica,

if you're

> reading, I'm equally appreciative of your posts and have already

learned

> a lot from you!

>

> G.

>

> Joe Postma <joepostma wrote:

> 80/10/10 doesn't sounds very natural if you need to work

with someone

> on it 1:1....not natural at all.

>

> Sounds more like a way to convince someone to give you money as you

> work with them 1:1 on a diet that is physically and mentally hard to

> achieve for the very reason that it is not natural.

>

> A natural diet does NOT follow some numbering or counting scheme. A

> DOCTRINE or opinion, does, however.

>

> Joe

 

 

Wow - Thanks for these, guys. Love both your posts, and appreciate

your kind and intelligent words. xo, Erica

[Guest guest]

On Saturday 27 October 2007, Sarah wrote:

> 80/10/10 doesn't require counting and numbers.  It's also

> more than what you put in your mouth.  Health doesn't end

> with what we eat.  There is more than 30 other areas of

> our lives that contribute to health...proper sleep,

> sunshine, emotions, stress, etc.  Just having someone to

> encourage you along the way and help you gain a greater

> understanding of this path towards health is great.  We

> all could benefit from having a good mentor in our life.

 

Commitment is only necessary in order to stick with

something when it goes wrong, it enables us to do this

simply because of a belief it is the right thing to do. It

is what leaders and cults demand of their followers and

subdugates the followers into dependence *by their own

doing*. A condition of dependence is never a healthy

position.

 

--

the kneeling fool