Correction To: Fermented Foods & Health [Ann Wigmore]

[Guest guest]

> So when you buy and read her books, many talk of fermentation. But

later on,

> she learned the truth.

 

This is actually opinion. All of her institutes still teach

fermentation. Fermented foods are very vital to health. Wild

Fermentation is a great read on this topic. Erica

[Guest guest]

if one goes uses the

> recommended food choices from Hipprocrates minus the cooked starches

and cooked

> foods, they will find themselves eating a 60% fat or higher diet.

 

 

This is not true. The Hippocrates/Wigmore diet is fermented

veggies/rejuvelac, energy soup (blended greens/wild edibles), a variety

of sprouts, wheatgrass (for some; true Dr. Ann wasn't too into it

personally, the woman LIVED on energy soup), and a smaller amount of

sprouted nuts/seeds, and fruits. ERica

[Guest guest]

Someone writes:

______

Elchanan: So when you buy and read her books, many talk of fermentation. But

later on, she learned the truth.

 

A: This is actually opinion. All of her institutes still teach fermentation.

Fermented foods are very vital to health. Wild Fermentation is a great read

on this topic.

______

 

It is the " opinion " of those who knew her during that time. " All her

institutes " have nothing to do with her, as she died some years ago in a

fire. The institutes merely bear her name.

 

Elchanan

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> Darn, I just recieved my copy of the hippocrates Diet today and Ann is

> telling me to eat loads of sprouts, rejuvelac, sauerkraut. Where can

I get

> the updated info? I guess it was working back then so probably would

now.

> But I would still like to be privy to the new opinions about fermented

> foods. Esp because they are a pain to make.

>

> Katya.

 

 

Kombucha Tea. That is the diet that reversed AIDS listed above. Seems

pretty healthy to me...? ERica

[Guest guest]

 

In rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote:

 

Fermented foods are very vital to health.

---

Hello Erica,

I haven't eaten any fermented foods at all for at least two

years. What deficiencies would you expect me to be suffering from, and

what symptoms should I be looking for? Or should I go to the doctor and

have some tests done (even though I appear to be in very good health)?

 

Regards

Roger Rowan

[Guest guest]

Roger -

 

As always, as a blanket response, everybody should get tested periodically,

regardless of how they " feel " . Most people feel great while eating cancer, about

to drop dead of a heart attack, etc. Even going raw and feeling better/great,

it's important to get checked - your minerals, vitamins, etc. It shouldn't be a

big deal, really. Some seem to take it as an insult to the perfect diet they

have chosen, etc. All in all, then, it should just confirm your beliefs, really.

Never hurts, though.

 

Probiotics. Not sure what tests would really test for them. However, most are

pretty deficient in them when going raw. They are a healthy component of any

diet. Animals in the wild ferment. I would instead just include them in your

diet. Why have you excluded them?

 

Erica

 

" roger.rowan " <roger.rowan wrote:

-------------------------

In rawfood , " Erica " <schoolofrawk wrote:

 

Fermented foods are very vital to health.

-------------------------

Hello Erica,

I haven't eaten any fermented foods at all for at least two

years. What deficiencies would you expect me to be suffering from, and

what symptoms should I be looking for? Or should I go to the doctor and

have some tests done (even though I appear to be in very good health)?

 

Regards

Roger Rowan

 

 

 

 

 

 

Raw & Live Foods Discussion ! Recipes, Health Challenges & More!

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Erica Albanese

Certified Living Foods Instructor & Chef

www.SchoolOfRAWk.com

www.myspace.com/SchoolOfRAWk

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> Darn, I just recieved my copy of the hippocrates Diet today and Ann

is

> telling me to eat loads of sprouts, rejuvelac, sauerkraut. Where can

I

> get the updated info? I guess it was working back then so probably

> would now. But I would still like to be privy to the new opinions

> about fermented foods. Esp because they are a pain to make.

>

> Katya.

 

You can always supplement with probiotics, then. Let's not forget that

Donna Gates over at Body Ecology is making massive strides with

fermented foods, and her nutrition is pretty skewered (if you ask me).

Not raw, not even vegan. So, there are really no shortcuts to health.

But just supplement versus not do it at all. Erica

[Guest guest]

Erica wrote:

 

> Darn, I just recieved my copy of the hippocrates Diet today and Ann

is telling me to eat loads of sprouts, rejuvelac, sauerkraut.

After eating hundreds of pounds of mung and lentil sprouts over 7

years in my raw epoch, I tried running them through a wheat grass juicer

and drank the juice.

Juicing intensified the taste to the point where my body rejected

them instantly; they taste awful!

Since the so-called " organic " carrots of the time had become

inedible too, that was the end of my raw experiment; all my staples had

been rejected by my body.

 

> Where can I get the updated info?

Juice them and believe your body.

 

> I guess it was working back then so probably would now.

Guessing does not lead to the truth; it was unsupportable

nutribabble then, and it remains so now.

Rejuvelac is putrefying seed excrement; " Dr Ann " was a miser, and

would not throw any -refuse- away, thus the drinking of smelly (from

toxic amines produced in the putrefaction) Rejuvelac is simply stupid.

She had people drink watermelon rind juice for the same miserly reason.

 

Most people experience wheat grass juice as rather foul tasting, so

Ann came up with the idea of retention enemas with the stuff to avoid

the taste warning, but that caused spasms in the colon, obviously to

expel it from the body.

 

So, one should ask just WHY the body rejects wheat grass juice from

BOTH ends? Because it is " healthy " ??

 

 

HINT: 'fermented foods' are fermented BECAUSE they are not appealing

in their natural state. So why would someone touting a " natural " diet,

intentionally culture billions of unknown bacteria in their so-called

" natural " food?? And then eat billion of dead bacteria corpses?

Yogurt is another example of this lunacy.

 

 

Laurie

 

--

Scientifically-credible info on human diet:

http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html

news:alt.food.vegan.science

[Guest guest]

The below is ridiculous. Many animals ferment intuitively, in the wild. Ask

the wolf if he knows the name of each culture in the rabbit meat he buried and

dug up a week later, etc. ?????

I love cabbage, raw or fermented. Ditto for all the veggies I throw in my

veggie kraut: beets, carrots, peppers, etc.

Rejuvelac: helped many regain their health. I know people who love and crave

it.

Wheatgrass: instrumental to many, many disease reversals. That is not the

reason for the implants, as anyone who studied Dr. Ann knows. Far from it.

Wheatgrass is sweet, my friends 6 yr old and her 5 yr old friend all but fight

over it - they love it! :-)

Correction: nobody said you had to eat cultured foods / probiotics. All they

said is that they are instrumental to health. It's up to you.........

Peace,

Erica

 

 

> I guess it was working back then so probably would now.

 

Guessing does not lead to the truth; it was unsupportable

nutribabble then, and it remains so now.

 

Rejuvelac is putrefying seed excrement; " Dr Ann " was a miser, and

would not throw any -refuse- away, thus the drinking of smelly (from

toxic amines produced in the putrefaction) Rejuvelac is simply stupid.

She had people drink watermelon rind juice for the same miserly reason.

 

Most people experience wheat grass juice as rather foul tasting, so

Ann came up with the idea of retention enemas with the stuff to avoid

the taste warning, but that caused spasms in the colon, obviously to

expel it from the body.

 

So, one should ask just WHY the body rejects wheat grass juice from

BOTH ends? Because it is " healthy " ??

 

 

HINT: 'fermented foods' are fermented BECAUSE they are not appealing

in their natural state. So why would someone touting a " natural " diet,

intentionally culture billions of unknown bacteria in their so-called

" natural " food?? And then eat billion of dead bacteria corpses?

Yogurt is another example of this lunacy.

 

 

Laurie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

The only lunacy I see is in your response.....

 

Laurie < wrote:

 

HINT: 'fermented foods' are fermented BECAUSE they are not appealing

in their natural state. So why would someone touting a " natural " diet,

intentionally culture billions of unknown bacteria in their so-called

" natural " food?? And then eat billion of dead bacteria corpses?

Yogurt is another example of this lunacy.

 

 

Laurie

 

 

 

_______________

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

School Of Rawk wrote:

 

> The below is ridiculous.

Instead of just dismissing concepts without honest consideration, why don't you

present the applicable biochemistry refuting the scary ideas? Because you can

not?

 

> Many animals ferment intuitively, in the wild.

Now, you are claiming a telepathic relationship with " many " animals?

Any proof for that one?

 

> Ask the wolf if he knows the name of each culture in the rabbit meat he buried

and dug up a week later, etc. ?????

Maybe these critters are not intentionally " fermenting " , but simply hiding

their food for future consumption?

 

> Rejuvelac: helped many regain their health.

Any real studies? Or just ad copy from uneducated crusaders?

WHAT are the biochemicals that support gaining health?

 

> I know people who love and crave it.

There are billions more that " love and crave " meat, ice cream, junk food, sugar

frosted flakes, spam, ...: your point, if any?

 

Wheatgrass: instrumental to many, many disease reversals.

Any real studies backing this statement up?

 

> Wheatgrass is sweet, my friends 6 yr old and her 5 yr old friend all but fight

over it - they love it!

It is very 'sweet' in small quantities, more tastes excessively 'green', and a

little more causes my throat to close up to force me from drinking it.

 

> All they said is that they are instrumental to health.

Any science to support this?

 

Laurie

 

--

Scientifically-credible info on human diet:

http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html

news:alt.food.vegan.science

[Guest guest]

School Of Rawk wrote:

 

SoR> The only lunacy I see is in your response.....

 

Laurie < wrote:

 

HINT: 'fermented foods' are fermented BECAUSE they are not appealing in their

natural state. So why would someone touting a " natural " diet, intentionally

culture billions of unknown bacteria in their so-called " natural " food?? And

then eat billion of dead bacteria corpses? Yogurt is another example of this

lunacy.

 

NOW is your chance to present some real science to refute my " lunacy " , but you

can not.

 

Laurie

 

--

Scientifically-credible info on human diet:

http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html

news:alt.food.vegan.science

[Guest guest]

Have you read Wild Fermentation? Enzyme Nutrition? Have you looked at Anne

Wigmore's success? That is all I need. Probiotics are needed in our body. Most

are depleted. Other mammals eat fermented foods in the wild on purpose. Hardly

" lunacy " , more like natural and healthy. So don't eat them, but I hope you

supplement. Erica

 

Laurie < wrote: School Of Rawk wrote:

 

SoR> The only lunacy I see is in your response.....

 

Laurie wrote:

 

HINT: 'fermented foods' are fermented BECAUSE they are not appealing in their

natural state. So why would someone touting a " natural " diet, intentionally

culture billions of unknown bacteria in their so-called " natural " food?? And

then eat billion of dead bacteria corpses? Yogurt is another example of this

lunacy.

 

NOW is your chance to present some real science to refute my " lunacy " , but you

can not.

 

Laurie

 

--

Scientifically-credible info on human diet:

http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html

news:alt.food.vegan.science

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Laurie,

My advice:

Don't drink wheatgrass.

Don't eat fermented foods.

Don't eat plants (their enzymes)

Don't eat at all.

LOL! Are you always this way??? No offense, you bring some valid points, but I

think people who had AIDS, MS, DIABETES, CANCER, and more and who reversed it

all on the same simple diet are my scientific proof.

Lighten up.

Erica

 

Laurie < wrote:

School Of Rawk wrote:

 

> The below is ridiculous.

Instead of just dismissing concepts without honest consideration, why don't you

present the applicable biochemistry refuting the scary ideas? Because you can

not?

 

> Many animals ferment intuitively, in the wild.

Now, you are claiming a telepathic relationship with " many " animals?

Any proof for that one?

 

> Ask the wolf if he knows the name of each culture in the rabbit meat he buried

and dug up a week later, etc. ?????

Maybe these critters are not intentionally " fermenting " , but simply hiding their

food for future consumption?

 

> Rejuvelac: helped many regain their health.

Any real studies? Or just ad copy from uneducated crusaders?

WHAT are the biochemicals that support gaining health?

 

> I know people who love and crave it.

There are billions more that " love and crave " meat, ice cream, junk food, sugar

frosted flakes, spam, ...: your point, if any?

 

Wheatgrass: instrumental to many, many disease reversals.

Any real studies backing this statement up?

 

> Wheatgrass is sweet, my friends 6 yr old and her 5 yr old friend all but fight

over it - they love it!

It is very 'sweet' in small quantities, more tastes excessively 'green', and a

little more causes my throat to close up to force me from drinking it.

 

> All they said is that they are instrumental to health.

Any science to support this?

 

Laurie

 

--

Scientifically-credible info on human diet:

http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html

news:alt.food.vegan.science

[Guest guest]

Since when is cabbage not appealing in its natural state?!

 

And though we may refrain, many certainly find milk to be so.

 

So, neither making sauerkraut/kimchi or yogurt, respectively

is necessary for palatability. Indeed, seems to me there

would be far more who find the latter state unappealing than

the original.

 

 

-Erin

Make it a Raw Thanksgiving

http://www.rawdonelight.com

 

 

-

Laurie

rawfood

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:29 PM

Re: [Raw Food] Re: Correction Fermented Foods & Health [Ann

Wigmore]

 

 

School Of Rawk wrote:

 

SoR> The only lunacy I see is in your response.....

 

Laurie < wrote:

 

HINT: 'fermented foods' are fermented BECAUSE they are not appealing in

their natural state. So why would someone touting a " natural " diet,

intentionally culture billions of unknown bacteria in their so-called

" natural " food?? And then eat billion of dead bacteria corpses? Yogurt is

another example of this lunacy.

 

NOW is your chance to present some real science to refute my " lunacy " , but

you can not.

 

Laurie

 

--

Scientifically-credible info on human diet:

http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html

news:alt.food.vegan.science

[Guest guest]

Exactly.

And I don't eat yogurt or drink kefir for other reasons. Always loved the

taste! But more do prefer the original states.

Erica

 

Erin <truepatriot wrote:

Since when is cabbage not appealing in its natural state?!

 

And though we may refrain, many certainly find milk to be so.

 

So, neither making sauerkraut/kimchi or yogurt, respectively

is necessary for palatability. Indeed, seems to me there

would be far more who find the latter state unappealing than

the original.

 

 

-Erin

Make it a Raw Thanksgiving

http://www.rawdonelight.com

 

 

-

Laurie

rawfood

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 2:29 PM

Re: [Raw Food] Re: Correction Fermented Foods & Health [Ann

Wigmore]

 

 

School Of Rawk wrote:

 

SoR> The only lunacy I see is in your response.....

 

Laurie wrote:

 

HINT: 'fermented foods' are fermented BECAUSE they are not appealing in

their natural state. So why would someone touting a " natural " diet,

intentionally culture billions of unknown bacteria in their so-called

" natural " food?? And then eat billion of dead bacteria corpses? Yogurt is

another example of this lunacy.

 

NOW is your chance to present some real science to refute my " lunacy " , but

you can not.

 

Laurie

 

--

Scientifically-credible info on human diet:

http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html

news:alt.food.vegan.science

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Yes, correct entirely. Laurie and Erica, would you be willing to take the

" lunacy " portion of this interaction into private emails if you wish to

continue that line of interaction?

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Laurie

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:30 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Re: Correction Fermented Foods & Health [Ann

Wigmore]

 

 

Laurie < (AT) ecologos (DOT) <%40ecologos.org> org> wrote:

 

HINT: 'fermented foods' are fermented BECAUSE they are not appealing in

their natural state. So why would someone touting a " natural " diet,

intentionally culture billions of unknown bacteria in their so-called

" natural " food?? And then eat billion of dead bacteria corpses? Yogurt is

another example of this lunacy.

 

NOW is your chance to present some real science to refute my " lunacy " , but

you can not.

 

Laurie

<http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId

=36026/stime=1194982194/nc1=5008827/nc2=4025304/nc3=4840955>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In my milk drinking days, I never liked it plain.

As a kid, it had to be chocolate, and as an adult,

it had to be hidden in a baked good or made into

yogurt or kefir (both of which I really enjoyed).

 

But, I think more prefer it, like yourself, in its

original state, which was my point. That is, the

fermentation certainly isn't to make it taste better

for most.

 

 

-Erin

http://www.zenpawn.com/vegblog

 

 

-

School Of Rawk

rawfood

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:15 PM

Re: [Raw Food] Re: Correction Fermented Foods & Health [Ann

Wigmore]

 

 

Exactly.

And I don't eat yogurt or drink kefir for other reasons. Always loved the

taste! But more do prefer the original states.

Erica

 

Erin <truepatriot wrote:

Since when is cabbage not appealing in its natural state?!

 

And though we may refrain, many certainly find milk to be so.

 

So, neither making sauerkraut/kimchi or yogurt, respectively

is necessary for palatability. Indeed, seems to me there

would be far more who find the latter state unappealing than

the original.

 

-Erin

Make it a Raw Thanksgiving

http://www.rawdonelight.com

[Guest guest]

Erica,

 

 

 

What fermented foods do wild animals eat and under what circumstances? Just

curious.

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

Janet

 

 

 

rawfood , School Of Rawk <schoolofrawk wrote:

 

 

 

Have you read Wild Fermentation? Enzyme Nutrition? Have you looked at Anne

Wigmore's success? That is all I need. Probiotics are needed in our body.

 

Most are depleted. Other mammals eat fermented foods in the wild on

purpose. Hardly " lunacy " , more like natural and healthy. So don't eat

them, but I hope you supplement. Erica Laurie < wrote: School Of

Rawk wrote:

 

 

 

SoR> The only lunacy I see is in your response.....

 

 

 

Laurie wrote:

 

 

 

HINT: 'fermented foods' are fermented BECAUSE they are not appealing in

their natural state. So why would someone touting a " natural " diet,

intentionally culture billions of unknown bacteria in their so-called

" natural " food?? And then eat billion of dead bacteria corpses? Yogurt is

another example of this lunacy.

 

 

 

NOW is your chance to present some real science to refute my " lunacy " , but

you can not.

 

 

 

Laurie

 

 

 

 

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9:27 AM

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> Erica,

>

>

>

> What fermented foods do wild animals eat and under what

circumstances? Just

> curious.

>

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> Janet

 

 

For starters, haven't you ever seen dogs bury raw meat and dig it up

later? I have, many times. Eskimos make " high meat " or eat fermented

stomach contents, too (but they are human).....

[Guest guest]

Narrow the scope a bit to large terrestrial (not marine) mammals. A bit more

relevant.

Elchanan

 

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Janet FitzGerald

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:06 AM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Correction Fermented Foods & Health [Ann

Wigmore]

 

 

..

 

<http://geo./serv?s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId

=36078/stime=1195059938/nc1=4725792/nc2=4025321/nc3=4840959> Erica,

 

What fermented foods do wild animals eat and under what circumstances? Just

curious.

 

Thanks,

 

Janet

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

As a newcomer to the group I might just be missing something, but how

does this answer the question about what fermended foods wild animals

eat?

 

Can you elaborate?

 

Thanks,

Rachel

 

 

rawfood , " Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Narrow the scope a bit to large terrestrial (not marine) mammals. A

bit more

> relevant.

> Elchanan

>

> _____

>

> rawfood [rawfood ] On

Behalf Of

> Janet FitzGerald

> Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:06 AM

> rawfood

> [Raw Food] Re: Correction Fermented Foods & Health [Ann

> Wigmore]

>

>

> .

>

> <http://geo./serv?

s=97359714/grpId=5520395/grpspId=1705015482/msgId

> =36078/stime=1195059938/nc1=4725792/nc2=4025321/nc3=4840959> Erica,

>

> What fermented foods do wild animals eat and under what

circumstances? Just

> curious.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Janet

[Guest guest]

It doesn't. It is merely a suggestion to focus the question a bit. Clearer

question, chance of a more informative response. That's all.

 

 

 

 

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

rachd1961

Wednesday, November 14, 2007 3:05 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Correction Fermented Foods & Health [Ann

Wigmore]

 

 

As a newcomer to the group I might just be missing something, but how

does this answer the question about what fermended foods wild animals

eat?

 

Can you elaborate?

 

Thanks,

Rachel

 

rawfood@ <rawfood%40> .com,

" Elchanan " <Elchanan wrote:

>

> Narrow the scope a bit to large terrestrial (not marine) mammals. A

bit more

> relevant.

> Elchanan