Creating health from the inside, out; No drugs of any kind (WAS: Bi-Polor, Depression, etc.)

[Guest guest]

LOL. Carol, you make it sound as if these people who have stamped themselves

" doctors " had actually discovered something!!

 

Any mother, any teacher, any general, any good manager or coach could have

told you this thousands of years ago. They'd simply have said it without

using any of today's technical jargon.

 

These doctors have discovered much ado about nothing. Of COURSE what we eat

affects every part of us. EVERY input into our system, our being, affects

every part of us. Every input into ANY being affects every part of that

being.

 

Eating better helps.

Increased, constructive physical activity helps.

Improved rest helps.

More/consistent exposure to fresh air and sunshine helps.

Improving one's exposure to water helps.

Improving one's work helps.

Improving one's relationships helps.

Learning to process one's feelings helps ... BIG time.

 

And so on.

 

The only thing that doesn't help is those probiotics and stuff. No one needs

any of that at all. To believe otherwise is to believe that some chemists in

a lab somewhere know more about creating health than does Nature, than does

your innate intelligence. This is absurd, of course.

 

When we live increasingly healthfully, we experience increasing health. And

where we spent years creating certain challenges (symptoms), we may need to

allow our system some time to restore. Patience is our friend. Drugs ... by

any moniker ... are not; for using them reflects our impatience, our desire

to " feel better now " . But feeling better now has little to do with health

.... and in fact much to do with the destruction of our health.

 

How we " feel " is only one part of our awareness. How we interpret what we

feel is a matter of choice. Choose to perceive symptoms as your body's own

process, as action initiated by its own innate intelligence. Choose to

perceive symptoms as messages from within, as bits of information sent out

by your subconscious mind in an increasingly desperate series of attempts to

attract the attention of your conscious awareness. Listen to yourself.

Listen to your symptoms, for they arise from within your self. Really!!!

 

No drugs of any kind, not now, not ever.

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Carol

Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:51 AM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Bi-Polor, Depression, etc.

 

 

Many medical doctors (functional medicine doctors) who have been working

with brain biochemical disturbances, find that there is a direct

relationship between gut, liver and brain. What these doctors are

discovering is that most brain biochemical disturbances start with problems

in the gut, then the liver and then symptoms appear in the nervous system

and brain. To balance the chemicals in the brain, one must address the

health of the gut and the liver first. Improvement can be made on a good

nutritional program, plus enzymes and probiotics for the health of gut and

liver. Add micronutrients from whole food supplements that will help with

the brain healing process.

 

Carol

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Elchanan,

 

Yes, there are many aspects of a raw, natural life that our Creator wove into

the fabric of his Creation and that from the beginning of time have been

self-evident to those who are able to see. Yet, as a friend occasionally reminds

me, there are many who will never be inclined or be able to make the changes

necessary to live the raw style of life your nicely crafted thoughts express so

well in this forum.

 

For reasons that relate to physical, social, emotional or structural

constraints most Americans will not ever take the steps you and others here have

taken. (From what you have described Elkanan it sounds like you live in a rather

ideal setting for a raw life, oh that more of us were so blessed.)

 

Anyway, to sum up, my friend exhorts me to be a bit more sympathetic toward

those who are attempting to move forward from wherever they happen to be. And,

yes, the laboratory based efforts that Carol describes, though being far from

the ideal, can indeed assist some in taking those first few steps on the path to

health and wholeness and then grow in knowledge and insight from there...

 

We are all at different places on the path...

 

Rgds,

Tim

 

 

Elchanan <Elchanan wrote: LOL. Carol, you make it

sound as if these people who have stamped themselves

" doctors " had actually discovered something!!

 

Any mother, any teacher, any general, any good manager or coach could have

told you this thousands of years ago. They'd simply have said it without

using any of today's technical jargon.

 

These doctors have discovered much ado about nothing. Of COURSE what we eat

affects every part of us. EVERY input into our system, our being, affects

every part of us. Every input into ANY being affects every part of that

being.

 

Eating better helps.

Increased, constructive physical activity helps.

Improved rest helps.

More/consistent exposure to fresh air and sunshine helps.

Improving one's exposure to water helps.

Improving one's work helps.

Improving one's relationships helps.

Learning to process one's feelings helps ... BIG time.

 

And so on.

 

The only thing that doesn't help is those probiotics and stuff. No one needs

any of that at all. To believe otherwise is to believe that some chemists in

a lab somewhere know more about creating health than does Nature, than does

your innate intelligence. This is absurd, of course.

 

When we live increasingly healthfully, we experience increasing health. And

where we spent years creating certain challenges (symptoms), we may need to

allow our system some time to restore. Patience is our friend. Drugs ... by

any moniker ... are not; for using them reflects our impatience, our desire

to " feel better now " . But feeling better now has little to do with health

.... and in fact much to do with the destruction of our health.

 

How we " feel " is only one part of our awareness. How we interpret what we

feel is a matter of choice. Choose to perceive symptoms as your body's own

process, as action initiated by its own innate intelligence. Choose to

perceive symptoms as messages from within, as bits of information sent out

by your subconscious mind in an increasingly desperate series of attempts to

attract the attention of your conscious awareness. Listen to yourself.

Listen to your symptoms, for they arise from within your self. Really!!!

 

No drugs of any kind, not now, not ever.

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Carol

Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:51 AM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Re: Bi-Polor, Depression, etc.

 

Many medical doctors (functional medicine doctors) who have been working

with brain biochemical disturbances, find that there is a direct

relationship between gut, liver and brain. What these doctors are

discovering is that most brain biochemical disturbances start with problems

in the gut, then the liver and then symptoms appear in the nervous system

and brain. To balance the chemicals in the brain, one must address the

health of the gut and the liver first. Improvement can be made on a good

nutritional program, plus enzymes and probiotics for the health of gut and

liver. Add micronutrients from whole food supplements that will help with

the brain healing process.

 

Carol

 

 

[Guest guest]

-

Tim Campbell

>Yet, as a friend occasionally reminds me, there are many who will never be

>inclined or be able to make the changes necessary to live the raw style of

>life your nicely crafted thoughts express so well in this forum.

 

Fair enough, but I, for one, am glad that Elchanan does not just sit back

and let the information cater to the lowest common denominator (to use a

math phrase, not to be derogatory of those refered to here). I'm glad to

know that I don't have to be reliant on drugs or supplements, that food and

lifestyle alone will improve my health. I'm glad there's at least one (and

several others) who don't just prescribe a plant-derived version of what the

doctors have been trying to load me up with for years.

 

Yes, lifestyle changes take a lot of effort, and time to effect. I've made

several in the last few years because I want the best for my son. More

recently, my changes have been because I've decided that I deserve the best

too. Now, 6 months on, I'm not sure if I'm at square 1, or 0, in terms of

practice (ie the things I do and eat), but in terms of knowledge, I'm so far

removed from where I was, it's amazing. And mostly thanks to Elchanan's

generosity in sharing his knowledge and experience, and his ability to

ignore some rather harsh comments at times (not referring to yours here),

and keep sharing his knowledge and experience.

 

Others have contributed also, of course, either with information about the

nature of health, or by giving personal experiences of improvements in their

own health, or that of someone close to them, or by being an example of what

not to do. All are valuable inputs, and help me define a little better what

I am aiming for, and how to get there.

 

Caron

[Guest guest]

Canon,

The opposite of Tim's message to Elchanan of grace and compassion is

not supporting western medicine. I'm not sure how you drew that

conclusion. Nobody on this list truly does that. Supplements are a

choice some raw-foodists opt to make, usually from bouncing back from

a deficiency from not using them. It is an option, nothing more. They

are not the same as drugs, which are not advocated in this group. I'm

just not seeing how you drew this conclusion from Tim's post.

Warmly,

Erica

 

 

> -

> Tim Campbell

> >Yet, as a friend occasionally reminds me, there are many who will

never be

> >inclined or be able to make the changes necessary to live the raw

style of

> >life your nicely crafted thoughts express so well in this forum.

>

> Fair enough, but I, for one, am glad that Elchanan does not just

sit back

> and let the information cater to the lowest common denominator (to

use a

> math phrase, not to be derogatory of those refered to here). I'm

glad to

> know that I don't have to be reliant on drugs or supplements, that

food and

> lifestyle alone will improve my health. I'm glad there's at least

one (and

> several others) who don't just prescribe a plant-derived version of

what the

> doctors have been trying to load me up with for years.

>

> Yes, lifestyle changes take a lot of effort, and time to effect.

I've made

> several in the last few years because I want the best for my son.

More

> recently, my changes have been because I've decided that I deserve

the best

> too. Now, 6 months on, I'm not sure if I'm at square 1, or 0, in

terms of

> practice (ie the things I do and eat), but in terms of knowledge,

I'm so far

> removed from where I was, it's amazing. And mostly thanks to

Elchanan's

> generosity in sharing his knowledge and experience, and his ability

to

> ignore some rather harsh comments at times (not referring to yours

here),

> and keep sharing his knowledge and experience.

>

> Others have contributed also, of course, either with information

about the

> nature of health, or by giving personal experiences of improvements

in their

> own health, or that of someone close to them, or by being an

example of what

> not to do. All are valuable inputs, and help me define a little

better what

> I am aiming for, and how to get there.

>

> Caron

>

[Guest guest]

please share what you eat plus what supplements you take. Pauline

 

Original Message:

-----------------

Caron carongroups

Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:51:21 +1000

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Creating health from the inside, out; No drugs of

any kind (WAS: Bi-Polor, Depression, etc.)

 

 

 

-

Tim Campbell

>Yet, as a friend occasionally reminds me, there are many who will never be

>inclined or be able to make the changes necessary to live the raw style of

>life your nicely crafted thoughts express so well in this forum.

 

Fair enough, but I, for one, am glad that Elchanan does not just sit back

and let the information cater to the lowest common denominator (to use a

math phrase, not to be derogatory of those refered to here). I'm glad to

know that I don't have to be reliant on drugs or supplements, that food and

lifestyle alone will improve my health. I'm glad there's at least one (and

several others) who don't just prescribe a plant-derived version of what

the

doctors have been trying to load me up with for years.

 

Yes, lifestyle changes take a lot of effort, and time to effect. I've made

several in the last few years because I want the best for my son. More

recently, my changes have been because I've decided that I deserve the best

too. Now, 6 months on, I'm not sure if I'm at square 1, or 0, in terms of

practice (ie the things I do and eat), but in terms of knowledge, I'm so

far

removed from where I was, it's amazing. And mostly thanks to Elchanan's

generosity in sharing his knowledge and experience, and his ability to

ignore some rather harsh comments at times (not referring to yours here),

and keep sharing his knowledge and experience.

 

Others have contributed also, of course, either with information about the

nature of health, or by giving personal experiences of improvements in

their

own health, or that of someone close to them, or by being an example of

what

not to do. All are valuable inputs, and help me define a little better what

I am aiming for, and how to get there.

 

Caron

 

 

 

 

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