Place your faith and trust in ... ? (WAS: Newbie Needs Encouragement (Kimberly))

[Guest guest]

Laurie,

 

In the final analysis, all that which we call " knowledge " is faith. We

choose to believe certain things, we repeat them again and again until, as

with an old shoe, we " know " them. Then we replace them with " new knowledge "

the moment we " discover " it. Of course, that is our human ego speaking, the

" knowledge " was already there!!

 

You can research until the cows come home, but until you come to terms with

the fear inside that sets you with such determination upon such a course,

you will travel in circles, as so many do.

 

I am all for intelligent thought ... and intelligent thought strongly

suggests that intelligent thought, cognition, is a poor mechanism through

which to perceive and comprehend Nature's design for life. The innate

intelligence inside each of us so utterly transcends whatever the conscious

mind might concoct that to attempt to solve organismal problem through

cognition approaches the utterly absurd. And this is why, in a sense, we

find ourselves immersed nowadays in so much absurdity.

 

Ultimately, we are simply left with the age-old question, " What do I

believe? " Do I believe chemists in a room? Do I believe peddlers? Or do I

believe and trust that which has somehow worked its way forward for nearly 4

billion years, through asteroid hits and volcanoes and heaven only knows

what us, to bring us forth to this time and in our present form.

 

No crackpot statement, Laurie, just easy observation using the senses and

possibly aided by any simple microscope.

 

What's up with all the anger?

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

Laurie

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:00 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Place your faith and trust in ... ? (WAS: Newbie

Needs Encouragement (Kimberly))

 

 

Elchanan wrote:

 

> You have before you two options, one borne of such faith and trust, the

other borne of fear ...

How about the options of research, wisdom, and intelligent thought?

Don't you think you should familiarize yourself with some introductory

physical chemistry before making erroneous, crackpot statements about

freezing?

 

> One option is to acknowledge and trust your own innate intelligence, ...

Is this the same " innate intelligence " that you consulted before telling

fairy stories about physical chemistry?

 

> An article of faith that may help you now: Your being will never bring

into your awareness, create in your experience, more than you have the

capacity to handle.

Tell that to the hundreds of millions who die unnecessarily because they

never put out the effort to learn how to eat.

 

Laurie

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Elchanan wrote:

 

> You can research until the cows come home, but until you come to

terms with the fear inside ,,,

Claiming you can read minds over the Internet? You are lying and

projecting your psychopathology on the external world.

 

 

 

> I am all for intelligent thought ...

Really. when can we expect some from you?

 

> ... cognition, is a poor mechanism through

which to perceive and comprehend Nature's design for life.

What's the alternative; religion, faith, doctrine, dogma, ...

 

> And this is why, in a sense, we find ourselves immersed

nowadays in so much absurdity.

Speak for yourself.

 

> What's up with all the anger?

Simple, it is *your projection*, a cheap trick to avoid rational

discussion.

 

Laurie

.._,

 

 

Scientifically-credible info on human diet:

http://ecologos.org/ttdd.html

news:alt.food.vegan.science

[Guest guest]

Thank you again Elchanan for the time you took

with me on the phone, not long ago. I'm sorry for

the abuse you take on this list from mean-spirited

types with the need to impress what is right for them

on others. :-(

 

I came across this study that goes along with many

of the things that you told me that may help the

unkind to you with findings from the academic types.

 

Wishing you love, and prosperity during the holiday

season and in the new year.

 

Respectfully,

 

Thea

 

JOHN HOPKINS - LATEST FINDINGS ON CANCER

 

AFTER YEARS OF TELLING PEOPLE CHEMOTHERAPY IS THE ONLY WAY TO

TRY AND ELIMINATE CANCER, JOHNS HOPKINS IS FINALLY STARTING TO TELL YOU

THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE WAY.

 

 

1. Every person has cancer cells in the body. These cancer

cells

do not show up in the standard tests until they have multiplied to a

few

billion. When doctors tell cancer patients that there are no more

cancer

cells in their bodies after treatment, it just means the tests are

unable to detect the cancer cells because they have not reached the

detectable size.

 

2. Cancer cells occur between 6 to more than 10 times in a

person's lifetime.

 

3. When the person's immune system is strong the cancer cells

will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and forming tumors.

 

4. When a person has cancer it indicates the person has

multiple

nutritional deficiencies. These could be due to genetic, environmental,

food and lifestyle factors.

 

5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing

diet and including supplements will strengthen the immune system.

 

6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing cancer

cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells in the bone

marrow, gastrointestinal tract etc, and can cause organ damage, like

liver, kidneys, heart, lungs etc.

 

7. Radiation while destroying cancer cells also burns, scars

and

damages healthy cells, ti ssues and organs.

 

8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often

reduce tumor size. However prolonged use of chemotherapy and radiation

do not result in more tumor destruction.

 

9. When the body has too much toxic burden from chemotherapy

and

radiation the immune system is either compromised or destroyed, hence

the person can succumb to various kinds of infections and

complications.

 

 

10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to mutate

and become resistant and difficult to destroy. Surgery can also cause

cancer cells to spread to other sites.

 

11. An effective way to battle cancer is to starve the cancer

cells by not feeding it with the foods it needs to multiply.

 

CANCER CELLS FEED ON:

 

a. Sugar is a cancer-feeder. By cutting off sugar it cuts off

one important food supply to the cancer cells. Sugar substitutes like

NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful etc., are made with Aspartame and it is

harmful. A better natural substitute would be Manuka honey or molasses

but only in very small amounts. Table salt has a chemical added to make

it white in color. Better alternative is Bragg's aminos or sea salt.

 

b. Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the

gastrointestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting off milk and

substituting with unsweetened soy milk cancer cells are being starved.

 

 

c. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based

diet

is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little chicken rather than

beef or pork. Meat also contains livestock antibiotics, growth hormones

and parasites, which are all harmful, especially to people with cancer.

 

 

d. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole grains,

seeds, nuts and a little fruit help put the body into an alkaline

environment. About 20% can be from cooked food including beans. Fresh

vegetable juices provide live enzymes that are easily absorbed and

reach

down to cellular levels within 15 minutes to nourish and enhance growth

of healthy cells. To obtain live enzymes for building healthy cells try

and drink fresh vegetable juice (most vegetables including bean

sprouts)

and eat some raw vegetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed

at

temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C).

 

e. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high caffeine.

Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer-fighting properties.

Water - best to drink purified water, or filtered, to avoid known

toxins

and heavy metals in tap water. Distilled water is acidic, avoid it.

 

12. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of

digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the intestines become

putrefied and leads to more toxic buildup.

 

13. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By

refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes to attack the

protein walls of cancer cells and allows the body's killer cells to

destroy the cancer cells.

 

14. Some supplements build up the immune system (IP6,

Flor-ssence, Essiac, anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals, EFAs etc.) to

enable the body's own killer cells to destroy cancer cells. Other

supplements like vitamin E are known to cause apoptosis, or programmed

cell death, the body's normal method of disposing of damaged, unwanted,

or unneeded cells.

 

15. Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit. A

proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior be a

survivor. Anger, resentment, and bitterness put the body into a

stressful and acidic environment. Learn to have a loving and forgiving

spirit. Learn to relax and enjoy life.

 

16. Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated environment.

Exercising daily and deep breathing help to get more oxygen down to the

cellular level. Oxygen therapy is another means employed to destroy

cancer cells.

 

CANCER UPDATE FROM JOHNS HOPKINS HOSPITAL, USA

 

1. No plastic containers in micro.

 

2. No water bottles in freezer.

 

3. No plastic wrap in microwave.

 

 

Johns Hopkins has recently sent this out in its newsletters.

This information is being circulated at Walter Reed Army Medical Center

as well.

 

 

Dioxin chemicals cause cancer, especially breast cancer.

Dioxins

are highly poisonous to the cells of our bodies. Don't freeze your

plastic bottles with water in them as this releases dioxins from the

plastic.

 

 

Recently, Dr. Edward Fujimoto, Wellness Program Manager at

Castle Hospital, was on a TV program to explain this health hazard. He

talked about dioxins and how bad they are for us. He said that we

should

not be heating our food in the microwave using plastic containers.

 

 

This especially applies to foods that contain fat. He said that

the combination of fat, high heat, and plastics releases dioxin into

the

food and ultimately into the cells of the body. Instead, he recommends

using glass, such as Corning Ware, Pyrex or ceramic containers for

heating food. You get the same results, only without the dioxin. So

such

things as TV dinners, instant ramen and soups, etc., should be removed

from the container and heated in something else.

 

 

Paper isn't bad but you don't know what is in the paper. It's

just safer to use tempered glass, Corning Ware, etc. He reminded us

that

a while ago some of the fast food restaurants moved away from the foam

containers to paper. The dioxin problem is one of the reasons.

 

Also, he pointed out that plastic wrap, such as Saran, is just

as dangerous when placed over foods to be cooked in the microwave. As

the food is nuked, the high heat causes poisonous toxins to actually

melt out of the plastic wrap and drip into the food. Cover food with a

paper towel instead.

 

 

This is an article that should be sent to anyone important in

your life.

 

 

 

 

Glennwood D. Walker, Jr., RHIA

Saint Thomas Hospital

4220 Harding Road

Nashville, Tennessee 37205

email: gdwalker

 

 

rawfood [rawfood ]On Behalf Of

Elchanan

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 5:55 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Place your faith and trust in ... ? (WAS: Newbie Needs

Encouragement (Kimberly))

 

 

Laurie,

 

In the final analysis, all that which we call " knowledge " is faith. We

choose to believe certain things, we repeat them again and again until, as

with an old shoe, we " know " them. Then we replace them with " new

knowledge "

the moment we " discover " it. Of course, that is our human ego speaking,

the

" knowledge " was already there!!

 

You can research until the cows come home, but until you come to terms

with

the fear inside that sets you with such determination upon such a course,

you will travel in circles, as so many do.

 

I am all for intelligent thought ... and intelligent thought strongly

suggests that intelligent thought, cognition, is a poor mechanism through

which to perceive and comprehend Nature's design for life. The innate

intelligence inside each of us so utterly transcends whatever the

conscious

mind might concoct that to attempt to solve organismal problem through

cognition approaches the utterly absurd. And this is why, in a sense, we

find ourselves immersed nowadays in so much absurdity.

 

Ultimately, we are simply left with the age-old question, " What do I

believe? " Do I believe chemists in a room? Do I believe peddlers? Or do I

believe and trust that which has somehow worked its way forward for nearly

4

billion years, through asteroid hits and volcanoes and heaven only knows

what us, to bring us forth to this time and in our present form.

 

No crackpot statement, Laurie, just easy observation using the senses and

possibly aided by any simple microscope.

 

What's up with all the anger?

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf

Of

Laurie

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:00 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Place your faith and trust in ... ? (WAS: Newbie

Needs Encouragement (Kimberly))

 

Elchanan wrote:

 

> You have before you two options, one borne of such faith and trust, the

other borne of fear ...

How about the options of research, wisdom, and intelligent thought?

Don't you think you should familiarize yourself with some introductory

physical chemistry before making erroneous, crackpot statements about

freezing?

 

> One option is to acknowledge and trust your own innate intelligence, ...

Is this the same " innate intelligence " that you consulted before telling

fairy stories about physical chemistry?

 

> An article of faith that may help you now: Your being will never bring

into your awareness, create in your experience, more than you have the

capacity to handle.

Tell that to the hundreds of millions who die unnecessarily because they

never put out the effort to learn how to eat.

 

Laurie

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you Thea for acknowledging me in this way, I often offer to chat

privately with people in these various discussion groups. Sometimes we can

accomplish in 5-10 minutes on the phone might take days or never happen at

all using email.

 

As for those other behaviors, well, we're obviously doing something about it

(if you've read yesterday's posts .

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf Of

* Thea Swafford *

Friday, December 07, 2007 8:21 AM

rawfood

RE: [Raw Food] Place your faith and trust in ... ? (WAS: Newbie

Needs Encouragement (Kimberly))

 

 

Thank you again Elchanan for the time you took

with me on the phone, not long ago. I'm sorry for

the abuse you take on this list from mean-spirited

types with the need to impress what is right for them

on others. :-(

 

I came across this study that goes along with many

of the things that you told me that may help the

unkind to you with findings from the academic types.

 

Wishing you love, and prosperity during the holiday

season and in the new year.

 

Respectfully,

 

Thea

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting this Thea. I have a cousin with cancer and I am going to

share this with her.

 

* Thea Swafford * <thea_swafford wrote: Thank you again

Elchanan for the time you took

with me on the phone, not long ago. I'm sorry for

the abuse you take on this list from mean-spirited

types with the need to impress what is right for them

on others. :-(

 

I came across this study that goes along with many

of the things that you told me that may help the

unkind to you with findings from the academic types.

 

Wishing you love, and prosperity during the holiday

season and in the new year.

 

Respectfully,

 

Thea

 

JOHN HOPKINS - LATEST FINDINGS ON CANCER

 

AFTER YEARS OF TELLING PEOPLE CHEMOTHERAPY IS THE ONLY WAY TO

TRY AND ELIMINATE CANCER, JOHNS HOPKINS IS FINALLY STARTING TO TELL YOU

THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE WAY.

 

1. Every person has cancer cells in the body. These cancer

cells

do not show up in the standard tests until they have multiplied to a

few

billion. When doctors tell cancer patients that there are no more

cancer

cells in their bodies after treatment, it just means the tests are

unable to detect the cancer cells because they have not reached the

detectable size.

 

2. Cancer cells occur between 6 to more than 10 times in a

person's lifetime.

 

3. When the person's immune system is strong the cancer cells

will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and forming tumors.

 

4. When a person has cancer it indicates the person has

multiple

nutritional deficiencies. These could be due to genetic, environmental,

food and lifestyle factors.

 

5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing

diet and including supplements will strengthen the immune system.

 

6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing cancer

cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells in the bone

marrow, gastrointestinal tract etc, and can cause organ damage, like

liver, kidneys, heart, lungs etc.

 

7. Radiation while destroying cancer cells also burns, scars

and

damages healthy cells, ti ssues and organs.

 

8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often

reduce tumor size. However prolonged use of chemotherapy and radiation

do not result in more tumor destruction.

 

9. When the body has too much toxic burden from chemotherapy

and

radiation the immune system is either compromised or destroyed, hence

the person can succumb to various kinds of infections and

complications.

 

10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to mutate

and become resistant and difficult to destroy. Surgery can also cause

cancer cells to spread to other sites.

 

11. An effective way to battle cancer is to starve the cancer

cells by not feeding it with the foods it needs to multiply.

 

CANCER CELLS FEED ON:

 

a. Sugar is a cancer-feeder. By cutting off sugar it cuts off

one important food supply to the cancer cells. Sugar substitutes like

NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful etc., are made with Aspartame and it is

harmful. A better natural substitute would be Manuka honey or molasses

but only in very small amounts. Table salt has a chemical added to make

it white in color. Better alternative is Bragg's aminos or sea salt.

 

b. Milk causes the body to produce mucus, especially in the

gastrointestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting off milk and

substituting with unsweetened soy milk cancer cells are being starved.

 

c. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based

diet

is acidic and it is best to eat fish, and a little chicken rather than

beef or pork. Meat also contains livestock antibiotics, growth hormones

and parasites, which are all harmful, especially to people with cancer.

 

d. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole grains,

seeds, nuts and a little fruit help put the body into an alkaline

environment. About 20% can be from cooked food including beans. Fresh

vegetable juices provide live enzymes that are easily absorbed and

reach

down to cellular levels within 15 minutes to nourish and enhance growth

of healthy cells. To obtain live enzymes for building healthy cells try

and drink fresh vegetable juice (most vegetables including bean

sprouts)

and eat some raw vegetables 2 or 3 times a day. Enzymes are destroyed

at

temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C).

 

e. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high caffeine.

Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer-fighting properties.

Water - best to drink purified water, or filtered, to avoid known

toxins

and heavy metals in tap water. Distilled water is acidic, avoid it.

 

12. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of

digestive enzymes. Undigested meat remaining in the intestines become

putrefied and leads to more toxic buildup.

 

13. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By

refraining from or eating less meat it frees more enzymes to attack the

protein walls of cancer cells and allows the body's killer cells to

destroy the cancer cells.

 

14. Some supplements build up the immune system (IP6,

Flor-ssence, Essiac, anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals, EFAs etc.) to

enable the body's own killer cells to destroy cancer cells. Other

supplements like vitamin E are known to cause apoptosis, or programmed

cell death, the body's normal method of disposing of damaged, unwanted,

or unneeded cells.

 

15. Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit. A

proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior be a

survivor. Anger, resentment, and bitterness put the body into a

stressful and acidic environment. Learn to have a loving and forgiving

spirit. Learn to relax and enjoy life.

 

16. Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated environment.

Exercising daily and deep breathing help to get more oxygen down to the

cellular level. Oxygen therapy is another means employed to destroy

cancer cells.

 

CANCER UPDATE FROM JOHNS HOPKINS HOSPITAL, USA

 

1. No plastic containers in micro.

 

2. No water bottles in freezer.

 

3. No plastic wrap in microwave.

 

Johns Hopkins has recently sent this out in its newsletters.

This information is being circulated at Walter Reed Army Medical Center

as well.

 

Dioxin chemicals cause cancer, especially breast cancer.

Dioxins

are highly poisonous to the cells of our bodies. Don't freeze your

plastic bottles with water in them as this releases dioxins from the

plastic.

 

Recently, Dr. Edward Fujimoto, Wellness Program Manager at

Castle Hospital, was on a TV program to explain this health hazard. He

talked about dioxins and how bad they are for us. He said that we

should

not be heating our food in the microwave using plastic containers.

 

This especially applies to foods that contain fat. He said that

the combination of fat, high heat, and plastics releases dioxin into

the

food and ultimately into the cells of the body. Instead, he recommends

using glass, such as Corning Ware, Pyrex or ceramic containers for

heating food. You get the same results, only without the dioxin. So

such

things as TV dinners, instant ramen and soups, etc., should be removed

from the container and heated in something else.

 

Paper isn't bad but you don't know what is in the paper. It's

just safer to use tempered glass, Corning Ware, etc. He reminded us

that

a while ago some of the fast food restaurants moved away from the foam

containers to paper. The dioxin problem is one of the reasons.

 

Also, he pointed out that plastic wrap, such as Saran, is just

as dangerous when placed over foods to be cooked in the microwave. As

the food is nuked, the high heat causes poisonous toxins to actually

melt out of the plastic wrap and drip into the food. Cover food with a

paper towel instead.

 

This is an article that should be sent to anyone important in

your life.

 

Glennwood D. Walker, Jr., RHIA

Saint Thomas Hospital

4220 Harding Road

Nashville, Tennessee 37205

email: gdwalker

 

 

rawfood [rawfood ]On Behalf Of

Elchanan

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 5:55 PM

rawfood

[Raw Food] Place your faith and trust in ... ? (WAS: Newbie Needs

Encouragement (Kimberly))

 

Laurie,

 

In the final analysis, all that which we call " knowledge " is faith. We

choose to believe certain things, we repeat them again and again until, as

with an old shoe, we " know " them. Then we replace them with " new

knowledge "

the moment we " discover " it. Of course, that is our human ego speaking,

the

" knowledge " was already there!!

 

You can research until the cows come home, but until you come to terms

with

the fear inside that sets you with such determination upon such a course,

you will travel in circles, as so many do.

 

I am all for intelligent thought ... and intelligent thought strongly

suggests that intelligent thought, cognition, is a poor mechanism through

which to perceive and comprehend Nature's design for life. The innate

intelligence inside each of us so utterly transcends whatever the

conscious

mind might concoct that to attempt to solve organismal problem through

cognition approaches the utterly absurd. And this is why, in a sense, we

find ourselves immersed nowadays in so much absurdity.

 

Ultimately, we are simply left with the age-old question, " What do I

believe? " Do I believe chemists in a room? Do I believe peddlers? Or do I

believe and trust that which has somehow worked its way forward for nearly

4

billion years, through asteroid hits and volcanoes and heaven only knows

what us, to bring us forth to this time and in our present form.

 

No crackpot statement, Laurie, just easy observation using the senses and

possibly aided by any simple microscope.

 

What's up with all the anger?

 

Best,

Elchanan

_____

 

rawfood [rawfood ] On Behalf

Of

Laurie

Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:00 AM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Place your faith and trust in ... ? (WAS: Newbie

Needs Encouragement (Kimberly))

 

Elchanan wrote:

 

> You have before you two options, one borne of such faith and trust, the

other borne of fear ...

How about the options of research, wisdom, and intelligent thought?

Don't you think you should familiarize yourself with some introductory

physical chemistry before making erroneous, crackpot statements about

freezing?

 

> One option is to acknowledge and trust your own innate intelligence, ...

Is this the same " innate intelligence " that you consulted before telling

fairy stories about physical chemistry?

 

> An article of faith that may help you now: Your being will never bring

into your awareness, create in your experience, more than you have the

capacity to handle.

Tell that to the hundreds of millions who die unnecessarily because they

never put out the effort to learn how to eat.

 

Laurie