Cleaning Our Produce: Microbe Mythology and the Germ Theory [brief] (WAS: Comprehending the Work of Paul Kouchakoff, Ph.D. ...)

[Guest guest]

High there,

 

Thanks for your long post, and particularly for sharing from your own

experience at such length. Below, I've excerpted one sentence from your

post, where you seem to be requesting input.

 

My response is in two parts:

 

1. Grow produce far from factory farming ... slaughtering of animals, far

from anywhere downstream from them. Factory farming is creating all the

" contamination " appearing now on more and more plants.

 

2. You don't kill or remove all those microbes. You cannot, at least not

without so damaging the food itself that it becomes a pyrrhic victory.

Instead, just do the only thing you can do ... create the best health you

can from the inside, out. Live healthfully in all the ways you've described

so well in your post and elsewhere, and let your body handle all those

little details.

 

The only produce I rinse ... not wash ... is muddy produce, and including

most greens because they tend to be at least somewhat muddy. And I appear to

be doing just fine just fine just fine just fine ... see!!! :)

 

In a larger sense, I encourage everyone to leave behind all medical-model

beliefs and thinking. Leave behind the " germ theory " that lies at the root

of your desire to " clean " everything. NOTHING in the medical world is all

that clean, even what they call " sterile " . What they call sterile would not

even be allowed in the door at semiconductor manufacturing facility ...

" sterile " is WAY to dirty!!!

 

We are not at war with Nature ... the little germs are not out to destroy

us. Rather, when we destroy ourselves, we transform ourselves into what they

consider food. And then they do what any opportunistic organism ...

including YOU... would naturally do: They eat!!!

 

So just do the only thing you CAN do: Live healthily, and create health in

every present moment, from the inside, out.

 

Best to all,

Elchanan

_____

 

mstrong56 [mstrong]

Friday, November 23, 2007 6:45 AM

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[Raw Food] Re: Comprehending the Work of Paul Kouchakoff, Ph.D.;

Fallacy of the RF Enzyme Argument (WAS: Rejuvenation with Raw Foods and

Enzymes)

 

 

 

Something I'd be interested in is discussion of how do you seriously remove

most of the microbes from your raw produce?

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[Guest guest]

OK, we are on the same page, HOWEVER, contamination comes from more

than factory farming upstream.

 

Certainly if I grew my produce (not going to happen) in organic soil

away from animals, I would have no concerns and would simply rinse

the mud off and eat.

 

George Carlin did a great bit about how he eats stuff off the floor

because the immune system needs practice. I basically agree with him

and am not a germ phobe. In fact I belive that exposure to a normal

amount of normal germs is a good thing and does keep the immune

system in " practice " , awake and alert.

 

There are ecoli, salmonella and other similar pathogens on virtually

everything we eat, no matter where or how it was grown. These

colonies are at low to modest levels and are easily dealt with by a

healthy body. So it doesn't need to be sterile and is no big deal.

 

I don't think ANYONE that picks, processes or packs produce " washes

hands before returning to work " . The stoners I see stocking the

produce at Whole Foods & Wild Oats don't seem real hygenically

inclined either, again, we can generally deal with this.

 

However when the produce is sealed in bags, stored or shipped at room

temperature, moist and dark, the pathogens grow and multiply like

crazy. When they hit a certain level, they overwhelm the immune

system and we get sick, most of us to a minor degree for a short

period of time. However in the case of the spinich and similar cases

the colonies grew to massive counts and some people that ate them

dealt with it quickly, others with marginal immune systems got pretty

sick and some with poorly functioning immune systems died.

 

So, I'm not looking to sterilize my produce. I am looking for a

cleaning method that would take something like the contaminated

spinich and knock the colonies down to a level similar to what I

might get from back yard grown produce.

 

The method needs to be simple and inexpensive. I'm thinking of

building a colloidal silver generator that you toss in the sink with

your produce, soak for a while, then rinse in clean water. Guess I

will need to hire a microbiologist to provide verified contaminated

produce and examine it after treatment to see what, if any effect my

scheme(s) have.......... any curious microbiologists here that would

like to help out for cheap or at cost?

 

Below, I've excerpted one sentence from your

> post, where you seem to be requesting input.

>

> My response is in two parts:

>

> 1. Grow produce far from factory farming ... slaughtering of

animals, far

> from anywhere downstream from them. Factory farming is creating all

the

> " contamination " appearing now on more and more plants.

>

> 2. You don't kill or remove all those microbes. You cannot, at

least not

> without so damaging the food itself that it becomes a pyrrhic

victory.

> Instead, just do the only thing you can do ... create the best

health you

> can from the inside, out. Live healthfully in all the ways you've

described

> so well in your post and elsewhere, and let your body handle all

those

> little details.

>

> The only produce I rinse ... not wash ... is muddy produce, and

including

> most greens because they tend to be at least somewhat muddy. And I

appear to

> be doing just fine just fine just fine just fine ... see!!! :)

>

 

> We are not at war with Nature ... the little germs are not out to

destroy

> us.

[Guest guest]

On Saturday 24 November 2007, mstrong56 wrote:

> The method needs to be simple and inexpensive.

 

Many people already use h2o2 to clean their produce.

 

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[Guest guest]

please elaborate, I have no desire to spend time & money re-inventing

the wheel. Thanks

 

> Many people already use h2o2 to clean their produce.

>

> --

> the kneeling fool